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Fintan
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:08 pm    Post subject: Browser Wars: IE, FireFox, Opera, Chrome Reply with quote

There's good reason to check out the new Google
Chrome browser. It's more than just another browser.

It's designed to crash-proof a browser enough
to allow it to be a de-facto mini-operating
system independent of Windows!

The Firefox/Google/Chrome triumvirate could
well lever us free of Gates --onto a PC-tablet which
is part proprietary, part open source like Firefox. We'll see.

A smart flat-panel could be your next PC.

I'll review Chrome here shortly.

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Download Chrome

NOTE: When Installing -do a Custom Install to make
sure it Imports data from your Firefox or IE browser.


Meanwhile here's one report that is properly up to speed:

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Google's Chrome aims to kill Windows,
make Web the OS of choice


This could be the threat that Microsofties
have feared since the 1990s, analysts say


By Heather Havenstein September 2, 2008 (Computerworld)

Google Inc.'s unveiling yesterday of a new browser is not really about
trying to outmuscle the other top browsers, it's a key weapon in the
company's effort to kill Windows, according to industry observers.


A beta version of the open source browser, called Chrome, is set to be
available today. Chrome includes a new JavaScript engine that Google
says will power Web applications better and faster than other browsers.
Google Gears, which will provide offline access and local storage for Web
applications, is also embedded in the browser.

Matt Rosoff, an analyst at Directions on Microsoft, said Chrome could be
the key piece in Google's effort to convince users to replaced packaged
software with Web applications.

"This is the potential threat that Microsoft has been worried about since
the 1990s," he said. "You've got Web apps running inside isolated
processes. It really sounds a lot like Google trying to take the Web
application model and make it more viable as a replacement for the
desktop PC application model. This is Google trying to really push
applications to the Web and make that the way people do computing."

TechCrunch blogger Michael Arrington added that Chrome is "nothing less
than a full on desktop operating system that will compete with Windows
."
Because Google has built its own JavaScript engine, he said, Ajax
applications like Gmail and Google Docs should "absolutely roar," he
added.

When combined with Goolge Gears - which provides offline access to Web
apps - Chrome becomes a potential "Windows Killer," he contended.

"Expect to see millions of Web devices, even desktop Web devices, in the
coming years that completely strip out the Windows layer and use the
browser as the only operating system the user needs," Arrington
continued. "That was going to happen anyway, but Chrome plus Gears
just made the decision a whole lot easier for hardware manufacturers.
Microsoft, meanwhile, is stuck with a bloated closed source browser that
they don't even tether to their search engine for fear of more antitrust
woes. Google can push their search engine and other web services all day
long on Chrome, with no government interference."

Mike Masnick, president and CEO of IT research firm Techdirt, agreed
that Chrome is a key part of Google's strategy top make the operating
system obsolete.

"This is probably a lot more about Google trying to help everyone move
beyond the operating system market," he noted. "Google knows that the
way to beat Microsoft is to become the operating system the Internet.
You do that by relegating the actual OS obsolete."

He noted that while Google faces a tough battle against Microsoft, Chrome
does offer features that can make it more attractive to users than Explorer.

"A quick look shows that the features it highlights (being able to run apps
separately, better memory management, etc.) are the sorts of things that
allow people to make browser-based apps much more useful, rather than
feeling the need to rely on client-side applications," Masnick noted.
"People have predicted for years that we're getting closer to a world
where all computing can be done over the network, and it looks like
Google is trying to push that process right along
."

Sheri McLeish, an analyst at Forrester, added that furthers Google's aim
to be a "one-stop shop" for everything online users need.

"It ties into their longer term broader strategy around building out a place
that is a destination that can leverage their other tools around search,"
she said. "If they own the browser ... they are increasing the audience to
be able to look at the ads that are get served up."

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"It ties into their longer term broader strategy around building out a place
that is a destination that can leverage their other tools around search,"
she said. "If they own the browser ... they are increasing the audience to
be able to look at the ads that are get served up."


Can't we have anything without dealing with ads??? I hope that they at least work towards freeing us from malicious stuff and keep the marketers visibly in front so that one may choose to buy legitimately without being chased by insidious malware/adware, etc.

Doubt it tho...

And what of data-mining? Isn't Google way big into that, as well?

Thanks for the topic. Kinda just one Big Dick versus another Big Dick in the scheme of things. Will we ever be free?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

REVIEW:
Wow - this is one slick and VERY fast browser
.
Very smooth loading of pages and scrolling during load.
Some tight code underneath this baby's hood.

- Clean minimalist interface.
- Opera-style tabs and 'thumbnails page'.
- Integrate Google Apps into your desktop and Windows menus.
- Restore pages on load -like Opera does.
- Uses DNS pre-fetching to improve speed.
- Cookie control and password saving.

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More Features >
Download Chrome

NOTE: When Installing -do a Custom Install to make
sure it Imports data from your Firefox or IE browser.


Thankfully it opens new tabs beside the existing tab - (a major
frustration with Firefox --as it cannot cluster related tabs).

Cute new feature to browse in an 'incognito' window,
where your existing ID cookies are deactivated.

Not great for posting to BFN though, minor bug in
the display of posts while entering - should fix soon.

But this is already my workhorse browser for
when I want to get thru some volume browsing.

Why? The Speed!

The speed increase over Opera (previously the fastest)
is at least 50% and up to double the speed!!

Chrome Rockets! (pardon the pun Smile )

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spot the pc user Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the consensus on http://www.google-watch.org
????

The "Rotten Cookie" part of google-watch makes me wonder about the Chrome's cookie removal - as in maybe cookies aren't actually removed.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Firefox/Google/Chrome triumvirate could
well lever us free of Gates...


Possibly. Lever us free of Gates and become shackled by Google at some point is possible too.

And don't forget to read the fine print in the 'Chrome' license agreement:

http://www.download.com/8301-2007_4-10030522-12.html
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HEY FINTAN

I agree with you bro
This ultimately seems like a good step up and most are going to attempt to rag on it for the sake of....
Who cares about the fine print in the agreement
I would suggest everyone spend their time reading some fine print in any Microsoft agreement.

Understand that this is open source!!!
I am also sure it will remain in BETA for a while while everyone gets acclimated. Such is Googles style.

People be worrying about cookies and agreements? Laughing

The Browser itself may get a bit slower since it still is in it's early stages but I feel any combat against the Microsoft domination is a good thing.

If you wish to get rid of ADS (commercial pitches) I suggest you go to IRC or Newsgroups. The internet is a worldwide market and the powers that be will not let it go untouched. The internet will become the market place and this monetization policy is far along.

As for taking the place of Desktops with all your DATA on it I would suggest this has been in the works for a long time. (I remember an article way back from silicon valley which I belief would offer very cheap dummy computers that paid a subscription for data usage---OHH most people have their own content on servers today without much worry) Let's suggest this as a socialist program in order to bring everyone up to the Technocratic age. OHHH Worries me!?/!? Wink

Understand that Linux is out their for you. It is waiting for you to create your own browser. If not then deal.
UBUNTU
http://www.ubuntu.com/
is making great strives everyday.

Key to the Pulse reporting!
Great Post Fintan! Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another cute feature:

Right-Click on the top of the Chrome browser window.



You get a mini-Task Manager for Chrome itself.
Shows you the pages that are using your PC,
and let's you kill any page that's overloading.




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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stairway to Heaven perhaps?
OHHH and it makes me wonder.

Wink Laughing Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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VIDEO: Inside Google Chrome

http://google.client.shareholder.com/Visitors/event/build2/MediaPresentation.cfm?MediaID=33101


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Shiny, Happy Browser?

The Channel WireSeptember 02, 2008

Google's Chrome We think we are in love. And yes, with a browser.

Right from the get-go, reviewers noticed how fast is Google's new beta browser, Chrome. Usually, loading my iGoogle page, chock full of gadgets and widgets takes a full minute to load, or will sometimes even crash Internet Explorer. With Chrome, load time took scant seconds. A side-by-side comparison of loading papervision3d.org -- an open source 3D engine for the Flash platform yielded the following results:

Time to load 3D image:

-- IE -- 1 min 22 seconds

-- Opera -- 1 min 33 seconds

-- Firefox -- 1 min 38 sec

-- Chrome -- 1 min 8 seconds

http://www.crn.com/software/210300132


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Why Google Chrome? Fast browsing = $$$

September 2, 2008 3:30 PM PDT - by Stephen Shankland

MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif.--On the Web, a site that responds a few
milliseconds faster can make a big difference in people's engagement.
It's for this reason that Google believes its new Web browser, Chrome,
is a project worth investing in rather than a footnote in the history of the Internet.


Chrome, Google said during its Tuesday launch event, is much faster at showing Web pages than the most widely used browser, Microsoft's Internet Explorer. Google's hope is that performance will open up the bottleneck that chokes the speed and abilities of today's Web-based applications.

In short, Chrome is more of a long-term competitive threat to Microsoft Office and Windows than it is to Internet Explorer.

That may sound a little grand, but the evidence is on display in Google's own lobby, where the search company's computer kiosks present a browser only--no start menu, no desktop shortcuts, no operating system.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10030717-92.html

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this an i Phone Killer
as well as a Windows killer?

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And once everyone is completely hooked on Google’s apps and is
completely dependent on its APIs for just about everything, (aka, the
“Cloud”) particularly once things like Mashups start using more and more
of their stuff, it will be fairly easy to make the transition to the Linux
version of Chrome, or better yet, as an embedded versions on Android
devices. And you can bet that when compared to Chrome Embedded,
iPhone is going to be a second class citizen
.

Everyone, meet the new boss. The same as the old boss. But because we
all love Google, we WILL get fooled again. And we’ll love it.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=9241

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Inside Chrome: The Secret Project
to Crush IE and Remake the Web.


Brian Rakowski walks to the whiteboard in a small conference room in Building 41 on Google's Mountain View campus. A lanky, gregarious man in his twenties, Rakowski is the product manager of a top-secret project that's been under way for more than two years.

The weekly Monday meeting of managers — or "leads," as Google puts it in its nonhierarchical way — will be one of the last before the upcoming launch. Rakowski writes 12 items on the board with a black dry-erase marker. The first is "State of the Release."

It's late August, and the release in question is called Chrome, Google's first Web browser. Since a browser is the linchpin of Web activity — the framework for our searching, reading, buying, banking, Facebooking, chatting, video watching, music appreciation, and porn consumption — this is huge for Google, a step that needed to wait until the company had, essentially, come of age. It is an explicit attempt to accelerate the movement of computing off the desktop and into the cloud — where Google holds advantage. And it's an aggressive move destined to put the company even more squarely in the crosshairs of its rival Microsoft, which long ago crushed the most fabled browser of all, Netscape Navigator.

A Google browser has been rumored for so long that most people have stopped talking about it. But the folks in this room know that the talking will soon begin again. Chrome is due to rock the Web just 16 days from this meeting.

It turns out the state of the release is ... not so bad. At Release Build Minus One — ideally, the last version before the public beta hits the streets — there are only five "blocking" bugs, all of which Rakowski and team deem fixable. "Things are looking good," says Mark Larson, one of the tech leads.

"What are we missing?" asks Sundar Pichai, Google's vice president of product management. "What's keeping you up at night?"

"It's not Chrome," says Darin Fisher, an engineer who coauthored the first prototype. That gets a laugh because everyone knows he's got a 10-week-old at home. Rakowski takes a red marker and puts an X next to the State of the Release item. The Google browser is one step closer to reality.

Why is Google building a browser? A better question is, why did it take so long for Google to build a browser? After all, as Pichai says, "our entire business is people using a browser to access us and the Web."

"The browser matters," CEO Eric Schmidt says. He should know, because he was CTO of Sun Microsystems during the great browser wars of the 1990s. Google cofounders Larry Page and Sergey Brin know it, too. "When I joined Google in 2001, Larry and Sergey immediately said, 'We should build our own browser,'" Schmidt says. "And I said no."

It wasn't the right time, Schmidt told them. "I did not believe that the company was strong enough to withstand a browser war," he says. "It was important that our strategic aspirations be relatively under the radar." Nonetheless, the idea persisted — and rumors percolated. After a 2004 New York Times article quoted "a person who has detailed knowledge of the company's business" saying a browser was in the works, Schmidt had to publicly deny it.

But behind the scenes, the subject remained a running argument between Schmidt and the founders. As a kind of compromise, Google assembled a team to work on improvements for the open source browser Firefox, spearheaded by browser wizards Ben Goodger and Fisher. (Both had worked with Mozilla, the nonprofit organization behind Firefox.) Another hiring coup came when Linus Upson, a 37-year-old engineer whose pedigree includes a stint at NeXT, signed up as a director of engineering.

"This was very clever on Larry and Sergey's part," Schmidt says, "because, of course, these people doing Firefox extensions are perfectly capable of doing a great browser."

Sure enough, in the spring of 2006, the Firefox group began talking among themselves about designing a new app. They loved Firefox — but they recognized a flaw in all current browsers.

When Microsoft's Internet Explorer and the codebase at the heart of Firefox were originally conceived, browsing was less complex. Now, however, functions that previously could be performed only on the desktop — email, spreadsheets, database management — are increasingly handled online. In the coming era of cloud computing, the Web will be much more than just a means of delivering content — it will be a platform in its own right. The problem with revamping existing browsers to accommodate this concept is that they have developed an ecology of add-on extensions (toolbars, RSS readers, etc.) that would be hopelessly disrupted by a radical upgrade. "As a Firefox developer, you love to innovate, but you're always worried that it means in the next version all the extensions will be broken," Fisher says. "And indeed, that's what happens."

The conclusion was obvious: Only by building its own software could Google bring the browser into the cloud age and potentially trigger a spiral of innovation not seen since Microsoft and Netscape one-upped each other almost monthly......

READ ON:
http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-10/mf_chrome?currentPage=2

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok after a few hours and some research,
it looks like this is a Microsoft Killer.

Tech Note:
The VM inside Chrome is rendering stunning code:
It has a native code compiler which amalgamates 'classes'
and generates dynamically-patched native code on the fly!!

When it comes to Javascript, this compiled native code
is up to 100 times faster than interpreted Javascript.

This is a dynamite Applications platform.
It's a screamingly fast browser.
It's solidly crash-proof.
It's easy to use.
It's downloadable from Google's search page to millions of users.

OPEN SOURCE JUST KILLED THE BEAST.

Bye, Bye Microsoft. Laughing Laughing Laughing
You had it good while it lasted.
Tough.
yahoo
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well since I am a computer idiot!!!!!

Heres the question????

Can I just download this Google Chrome and it will not screw anything up on my computer?
I currently have IE.............and if I screw anything up downloading this...........

I will not be able to fix it... Surprised
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wanna play it safe, then Google how to manually set a
System Restore Point
on XP or Vista --so you can restore
back if the installation screws up for some reason.

How to Set a Restore Point >

Otherwise just install. 'Cos this is only reading data
from your IE - and it's not gonna mess things up.

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