Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 83 Location: Deep in the heart of Cheney country.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:28 am Post subject:
I guess this keeps the illusion going. Report shows Palin abused her authority as governor, and it looks like the McCain/Palin campaign is holding back...for now.
CHILLICOTHE, Ohio (Reuters) - An Alaska ethics inquiry found on Friday that Gov. Sarah Palin, the U.S. Republican vice presidential candidate, abused her authority by pressuring subordinates to fire a state trooper involved in a feud with her family.
The finding cast a cloud over John McCain's controversial choice of running mate for the November 4 election. On the day it was published he reined in an aggressive strategy against Barack Obama that had failed to cut into his Democratic rival's lead.
After a week in which he and Palin fiercely attacked Obama and inflamed supporters by urging them to question his fitness to be president, McCain switched to a milder tone, calling on frustrated loyalists to respect the Illinois senator.
Supporters appeared surprised by his conciliatory approach, booing at a Minneapolis rally when he told a skeptical backer that Obama was a "decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared (of) as president of the United States."
The Alaska inquiry centered on whether Palin's dismissal of the state's public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan, was linked to her personal feud with a state trooper who was involved in a contentious divorce with the governor's sister.
The inquiry found that while it was within the governor's authority to dismiss Monegan, Palin violated the public trust by pressuring those who worked for her in a way that advanced her personal wishes.
"Governor Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda, to wit: to get Trooper Michael Wooten fired," the report said.
The investigation was commissioned in July by Alaska's Legislative Council composed of 10 Republican lawmakers and four Democrats.
The scandal gained national attention after Palin, 44, who was little known outside of Alaska and has virtually no national or international experience, was selected to be McCain's running mate in August.
The McCain-Palin campaign dismissed the report, saying it was a "partisan-led inquiry run by Obama supporters," and Palin and her family had been justified to be concerned about the behavior of the trooper.
Palin "acted within her proper and lawful authority in the reassignment of Walt Monegan," a campaign statement said.
McCain, 72, made clear the shift in his approach during a rally in Lakeville, Minnesota, when supporters frustrated by his drop in the polls urged him to be a fighter at the next debate with Obama.
"We want to fight and I will fight. But we will be respectful. I admire Senator Obama and his accomplishments," McCain said.
While a number of questioners expressed concerns about Obama, one woman went further. "I don't trust Obama. I have read about him. He's an Arab," she said, echoing a false assertion that has crept into some right-wing Internet blogs.
McCain shook his head in disagreement and cut her off, grabbing the microphone back. "No, ma'am. He's a decent family man, (a) citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues," he said.
On Monday, Palin had told a joint rally with McCain in Florida: "I am just so fearful that (Obama) is not a man who sees America the way you and I see America."
Critics say that line was especially pointed because of its potential subtext. Obama, 47, would be the first black president and his background, including part of a childhood spent in Indonesia, is different from that of most Americans.
He has accused the Republicans of fear-mongering.
The attacks by McCain and Palin have failed to stop a gradual increase in Obama's lead in polls as he focused on policies to cope with the international financial crisis.
A Newsweek poll published on Friday gave Obama an 11-point lead over McCain at 52-41 percent. A month ago this poll had the two candidates tied at 46 percent. Other polls in the most contested states have also shown a swing toward Obama.
The election campaign has been overshadowed by the escalating international financial crisis, partly driven by the collapse of the U.S. housing market. Stock markets around the world plummeted again Friday.
A majority of Americans tell pollsters they trust Obama more than McCain to handle economic issues.
Campaigning in battleground states key to the election, both candidates offered proposals to try to ease the strain on Americans from the market meltdown that has cost investment portfolios billions of dollars.
_________________ ďUnthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.Ē - Albert Einstein
Published: October 11 2008 03:00 | Last updated: October 11 2008 03:00
There was no shortage of passion among the Republicans who filled the Center Court sports complex in Waukesha, Wisconsin, this week for a town hall-style meeting with John McCain and Sarah Palin.
But rather than channelling their energy into support for the Republican ticket, the dominant emotion was seething hostility towards Barack Obama and incredulity at the prospect of seeing him as president.
"I'm mad, I'm really mad," said a man called on to ask a question. "It's not the economy. It's the socialists taking over our country."
Voters need their "heads examined" if they are prepared to put America in the hands of Mr Obama and his Democratic "hooligans", he continued. It was less a question than a howl of frustration at Mr McCain's inability to change the course of an election that some believe could be turning into an Obama rout.
Recent polls have shown the Democrat ahead by an average of 6 percentage points nationally and holding the upper hand in most battleground states. Some individual polls have given him double-digit leads.
"We're all wondering why Obama is where he's at. How did he get here?" asked another Republican. "Everybody in this room is stunned that we're in this position."
To many observers, the answer is obvious: in the words of Bill Clinton's winning 1992 campaign mantra, "It's the economy, stupid." The financial crisis has reinforced demand for change after eight years of Republican administration and focused attention on Mr McCain's weakest issue.
For many Republicans, however, there are two further explanations. First, they believe the media is slanting coverage of the election in favour of Mr Obama. Second, they complain that Mr McCain is not fighting aggressively enough. "In the next debate, it is absolutely vital that you take it to Obama and that you hit him where it hurts," another audience member said, imploring him to highlight "all these shady characters that surround him".
Each call to arms was met by deafening cheers from the crowd and chants of "USA! USA!", while every mention of Mr Obama was raucously booed. Mr McCain threw some red meat by attacking his opponent's ties to Bill Ayers, the Marxist revolutionary-turned-academic whose Weather Underground group bombed the Pentagon in the 1970s. But he did so in a half-hearted manner that left supporters palpably disappointed.
"Look, we don't care about an old washed-up terrorist and his wife," Mr McCain said, drawing shouts of "yes, we do, John" from the audience. "The point is . . . we need to know the full extent of the relationship to determine whether senator Obama is telling the truth to the American people or not."
It was a moment that laid bare the strategic dilemma facing Mr McCain. With few better options remaining, his campaign is trying to undermine voters' trust in Mr Obama by raising questions about his background and ideology. But there is acute awareness that negative attacks risk backfiring at a time when voters are fretting about the economy.
With this in mind, Mr McCain beefed up his response to the financial crisis this week by announcing a $300bn (Ä223bn, £176bn) mortgage bail-out plan for homeowners - marking a reversal of his earlier noninterventionist rhetoric.
The proposal was derided as a political stunt by Mr Obama and condemned as a betrayal by economic conservatives, but its success will be measured by how it goes down among independent voters. The sketchy nature of the plan reinforced the impression of a panicked campaign frantically seeking a silver bullet.
A senior McCain adviser told the Financial Times that internal polling showed the race was tighter than public polls suggest and insisted that the election remained winnable. He said the fact that Mr McCain spent much of this week on the offensive in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Minnesota - all states won by the Democrats in 2004 - reflected the campaign's bullishness.
At the Wisconsin rally, rank-and-file Republicans refused to believe the polls, claiming they were rigged by the media organisations that sponsor them. Many voiced confidence that America would ultimately opt for Mr McCain and expressed bemusement at Mr Obama's appeal. "[McCain] is a man who was prepared to sacrifice his own blood for his country. [Obama] doesn't even put his hand on his heart for the pledge of allegiance," claimed Connie Rinni, who runs a trucking company with her husband.
Asked about the financial crisis, almost every Republican echoed the McCain argument that Democrats were to blame for encouraging subprime lending to lowincome borrowers and for failing to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the state-backed mortgage groups.
What McCain loyalists say, however, is less important than attitudes among the independent voters who will decide the election. The evidence so far suggests they are more inclined to blame Republicans for the crisis and trust Democrats to solve it. But there are still 24 days left for Mr McCain to alter perceptions. "This is about the seventh time the pundits have said this campaign is in trouble," he told supporters. "We fooled them then and we'll fool them again."
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject:
McCain Asks Supporters to Show Obama Respect
LAKEVILLE, Minn. -- Sen. John McCain spoke out against the growing nastiness his Republican crowds have been demonstrating toward Barack Obama, asking that his presidential rival be treated with respect.
At a town hall meeting Friday afternoon, he took four different opportunities to promise that he will treat the Democratic nominee with respect and to ask the same of his supporters.
Still, his campaign is hardly backing down. On Friday, it released a TV ad linking Sen. Obama to a 1960s radical.
At the town hall meeting, one audience member said that he and his wife are expecting a child next year. "Frankly, we're scared. We're scared of an Obama presidency," the questioner said.
Sen. McCain replied that of course he hopes that Sen. Obama isn't elected but added: "I have to tell you he is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared (of) as president of the United States." The crowd replied with a chorus of boos.
And when another questioner said he couldn't trust him because "he's an Arab," Sen. McCain took the microphone from her and said, "No, ma'am: no ma'am. He's a decent family man, citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues, and that's what this campaign's all about. He's not."
There are persistent, false rumors that Sen. Obama is Muslim.
Sen. McCain said that "99 and 44/100ths" of people at his events have been respectful. He did not need to explain that others have not.
At a rally on Wednesday with Sen. McCain and his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, someone yelled "off with his head." Later that day, a man at a rally held a sign that read "Obama, Osama." Speakers at events have increasingly been using Sen. Obama's middle name, Hussein. At a Monday event, someone shouted "terrorist!" when Sen. McCain asked rhetorically, "Who is Barack Obama?"
Sen. McCain said he would continue to press the differences between the two of them. And his comments came on the same day that his campaign released a new TV ad linking him William Ayers, a former member of the 1960s era radical group, the Weather Underground. Sen. Obama has acknowledged that he knows Mr. Ayers but has denounced his past activities. McCain surrogates have also begun talking about Sen. Obama's acknowledged drug use in his youth.
Also Friday, Gov. Palin said in Cleveland that more than one person has told her that Sen. McCain needs "to take the gloves off."
At the town hall meeting, Sen. McCain repeatedly tried to tamp down those in the crowd who urged him to do just that.
"We want to fight and I will fight," McCain told one of several questioners who demanded that he go after Sen. Obama harder. "But we will be respectful. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments. I will respect him."
Cute how McCain/Palin unleash the swiftboat dogs
fully unmuzzled, and at the same time McCain
covers his ass by taking a 'Presidential' stance...
Meanwhile, it ain't over.
For lots of subtle reasons....
Not Over Yet
By Victor Davis Hanson, October 10, 2008 9:00 AM
Of course, this is a Democratic year. The public is tired of George Bush
and eight years of an incumbent administration. War, Wall Street, and the
absence of a conservative Reagan-like charismatic figure should make it
easy for a Democrat to win the presidency.
After a nearly miraculous McCain surge in September, following the
Republican Convention and Palin nomination, the Republicans are once
again floundering — and a sense of utter despair has now set in among
Wall Street melted down. The New York–Washington media elite went ballistic over vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin. The Alaskan mom of five in near suicidal fashion was ordered by the campaign to put her head in the Charlie Gibson-Katie Couric guillotine. A trailing McCain — while sober and workmanlike in the first two debates — failed to close the ring and hammer the agile Obama as a charismatic charlatan.
The result is that with not much more than three weeks left in the campaign, a number of conservatives have all but accepted (if a few not eager for) an Obama victory. Others are angry at the McCain campaign’s supposed reluctance to go after Obama’s hyper-liberal, hyper-partisan Senate record, his dubious Chicago coterie, his serial flip-flops, and his inexperience. And how, most wonder, can McCain regain the lead lost three weeks ago, when the media has given up any pretense of disinterested coverage, time is growing ever more short, prominent conservatives such as George Will, Charles Krauthammer, David Brooks, and Kathleen Parker have suggested Sarah Palin would be unfit to assume the presidency, and former Romney supporters are raising again their unease with the once again too moderate-sounding McCain?
Yet for all the gloom, there are several reasons why this race is by no means over.
First, it is not clear that panic, hysteria, and the “Great Depression” will continue to be the headlines and lead-ins each night for the next three weeks. We may be soon reaching a bottom in the stock market. Sometime in the next few days, wiser investors should see that trillions of global dollars are now piling up and could begin to prime the economy — and that still valuable stocks, for a brief period, are up for sale at once-in-a-lifetime bargains. With the sudden collapse of oil prices, the West has been given a staggering reprieve of hundreds of billions of dollars in savings on its imported fuel bills. That economy too will result in more liquidity at home. Given the shameless behavior of Wall Street, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, it will be unlikely that we will revert soon to the Wild West speculation that had for the last six years transformed the once pedestrian notion of seeing a house as a home and refashioned it into either a politically correct entitlement or a Las Vegas poker chip to be thrown down on the roulette table.
It is still possible that, by the week before the election, there will be a sense of respite rather than continued anger and panic — and any day in which hysteria is not the topic of the day benefits McCain. In this regard, McCain must keep reminding in simple fashion that Freddie and Fannie were catalysts that drew in the Wall Street sharks: crooked officials cooked the books to get mega-bonuses; they got away with their crimes by lavishing money on mostly Democratic legislators (including Obama); and hand-in-glove they all covered — and still are covering — their tracks under a reprehensible politically correct cynicism.
Iraq is no longer the contentious issue of the primaries where Democratic candidates outdid each other in predicting failure, but mirabile dictu turning out to be a clear American victory. No one can now believe that withdrawal by March 2008, as Sen. Obama once advocated, would have been anything but an utter calamity. McCain needs to continue to emphasize the dire consequences of accepting such a defeat. The military is not broken, but now the most experienced, battle-hardened force in the world. Iraq is not, as Joe Biden once demanded, trisected into feuding fiefdoms, but an emerging consensual state. The more Iraq is out of the news, the more the growing public acceptance that it is becoming a success. McCain should continue to ask: Did Americans want victory in November 2008 or defeat in March 2008?
The Ayers controversy is cited by the in-the-tank media as signs of McCain’s desperation. Perhaps. But amid the tsk-tsking, there are also certain deer-in-the-headlights moments among Obama’s handlers.
Why? There are simply too many ACORNs, Ayers, Khalidis, Pflegers, Wrights, et al. not to suggest a pattern unbecoming of a future President of the United States. Obama’s past statements about his relationship with Ayers (and others) simply cannot be reconciled with the factual circumstances of their long association. McCain must focus on Ayers between 2001–2005. Then in the climate of national worry following 9/11, Ayers was on recent record as lamenting that he had not set off enough bombs, and yet until 2005 still in contact with Obama — about what and why, voters might wish to know.
When Iraq and Wall Street were off the front page, Obama went moribund in the last months of the Democratic primary. Why? Not because of racism, or even public weariness with Obama’s hope and change fluff, or his flip-flops, or occasional striking ignorance about basic history and geography. He finally began to wear on the public — as he continues to when events of the day do not smother the attention of the voter — for two reasons.
First, the public tires of all the media slant, the celebrity rants, and the shills in popular culture, that in concert hourly berate, beg, threaten, and ridicule voters on behalf of Obama. We are supposed to accept Obama’s apotheosis, replete with Latinate seal, Greek columns, biblical injunctions about the seas and atmosphere, and prophesies that he is The One whom we have been waiting for. The creepy effect of ordering us to accept our own salvation becomes cumulative. So there is a quiet unease among the voters, as there always is in America, when someone finger-points and lectures them what they must do — or else!
Second, for all the two years of nonstop campaigning, Obama somehow still remains an unknown — and for apparently good reason. He has almost no record in the Senate to speak of — other than one as America’s most predictably partisan and liberal Senator. What is known of his Chicago associates is not reassuring, and so the only defense can be silence rather than exegesis. No one knows anything of his record at Columbia University, how he got into Harvard Law School, or what he was doing until he reached Harvard, or exactly what he did as a community organizer in Chicago, or how a person with no record of legal scholarship was about to be offered tenure at the Chicago Law School. Each doubt in and of itself is of little import, but again in aggregate even the generalities make voters uneasy — especially when they hear of fraud among voter registration drives, swarming radio stations to stifle those critical of Obama, and threatened lawsuits to yank pro-McCain ads.
The odds always were against McCain. And the outcome in these last few days may be seem contingent in large part on breaking news beyond the candidates’ control. Yet McCain still has it within his own power to win the election. Obama’s view of America is mostly rosy emulation of the European Union; McCain’s is to restore fiscal sanity, keep our defenses strong, and ensure that American exceptionalism remains a fact, rather than descends into an empty slogan. In that context, it makes no sense to sneer at McCain for being behind, but a great deal to hope that he isn’t.
It's over the delay in the Rezko sentence is proof of that, along with McCains handlers making a huge misjudgment in mainstream American and what they will accept as " FAIR PLAY "
Stick a large fork in McCain Palin and let this dog and pony show die a quick death rather than a slow one.
Slick Willie was on the stump yesterday in Pennsylvania. The gop's last stand was/is to censor the boy from Arkansas. It's all up to Bill as to how that plays out.
People are watching much more closely than the handlers can stomach, they've rolled over and everyone is aware. THOSE FEW who are not are simply waiting to pounce if something out of the blue happens to derail Obama.
I'm right here in the middle of it and these words are as true as true can be, almost so spot on only I get the feeling some hope for it happen so they can use it as an excuse to take to the streets and release all that's bottled up.
I hope that doesn't happen but fear it will should something odd happen in these final few weeks.
Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Posts: 554 Location: western pennsylvania
Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject:
Ah, the small town family values of mid-america
1. "he's not a christian"
2. "he's a negro and you know they're second string"
3. "he's related to a known terrorist"
4. "just that he's a muslin and everyone still unnerved about 911"
5. Sarah Palin is filled with the holy spirit and will lead our country out of this mess"
There's a time and a place for
biting, deeply cynical skepticism....
And this is it!
Now do you think McCain
could bring on the revolution?
Despite running the worst GOP campaign since Bob Doleís
single-shoulder-shrug of an effort in 1996, McCain remains in contention
for next monthís election. By which I mean he is still alive and not too
embarrassed to show himself in public, the latter of which shouldnít be any
surprise because Republicans, and indeed most Democrats as well, have
long since evolved beyond shame, or devolved as your perspective may
Even by that low standard, and even with a crisis both tailor-made and
tailor-timed for presidential-candidate posturing, heís just barely
squeaking by, and my prediction that heíll be lucky to crack 45% in
the general election is looking better than it has in some time (and
definitely better than my immediate but still salvageable prediction
about the Dow).
I say this because I sense that there remain doubters out there about
McCainís capacity to make things in this country, and thereby globally, so
much worse that voters will flock to some new and presumably (presumed
by me) better, pinkish banner. I think weíve seen during the course of the
campaign enough evidence of his capacity, full stop, to recognize that he
is both incapable of running the country in any recognizable meaning of
ďrun,Ē and that he is a very angry and petulant man who would not take
well to being run, which would essentially leave no one running the
Maybe, some cynics will say, having no one running the country wouldnít
be such a bad thing? Why, no: thatís the sort of thing that lunatic
government-hating freaks of the kind who have actually been running the
country during the George W. Bush years say, and we donít want to sound
like them, now do we? No, or at least I donít, or at least not on purpose,
or at least not on purpose without some satiric intent. Itís a big country
and it needs to be run even if thatís into the ground, because otherwise
weíll all fall beyond the event horizon.
And thatís what will happen if McCain wins. Some people think the coterie
of lobbyists with whom he travels will be running the country, but that
wonít happen: he canít keep himself honest and polite, but he canít stand
the thought of himself as a mean, corrupt bastard, and those closest to
him, which will be his slavering pack of lobbyists should he win, will suffer
the fallout from their presidentís twisted and conflicted instincts. Theyíll be
lucky if he doesnít have them killed, or doesnít fight them against one
another like pit bulls in the Rose Garden. And while his lobbyists have their
teeth sunk into the mass of wrinkled skin around one anotherís necks, the
country will go all to hell.
More to hell. Far enough down the road to hell that people will be
screaming for help, which, curiously, doesnít really seem to be happening
So yes, heíll make things worse. Readers have raised the question of
whether the same public who have more or less relaxedly enjoyed eight
years of the Bush administration will find anything worse enough in a
McCain administration to reveal their inner socialist. I think weíve shown
mathematically that this is so, but of course itís a subjective thing until it
happens. The other question that arises involves the ethics of wishing an
intensely painful future on a possibly, but if so itís not my fault,
Is it ethical to wish for something that undoubtedly involves lots of
unnecessarily dead people, social havoc and a spirited economic
depression? Oh, probably not, but frankly, look whoís talking: youíre going
to vote for Obama, who has also run a crappy, insecurity-inducing
campaign, who appears to have about as much fealty to the ideals he sold
during the primary as McCain does to whatever his were last week, and
who has made bombing brown people in Afghanistan and, even more
deliciously, in Pakistan, a cornerstone of his ethical fucking foreign policy,
if youíll excuse my language or if you wonít.
So if McCain were to kill more brown people in a head-to-head matchup,
itíd probably be more a matter of luck than malevolence. No doubt he
could do more damage domestically, though, which is what people care
about: how does it affect me? I doubt, as Iíve said before, that Obama has
the capacity or desire to do the sorts of things that would make him a
domestic hero, and that heíll be a one-term wonder because of that, but
the ill-tempered McCain, abetted by the surviving members of his pit bull
lobbyist crew, has the capacity to do major damage just floundering
And thatís what Iím counting on. I have not yet reached the point of urging
anyone to vote for McCain, but I suspect that Obama, who is irritating the
hell out of me even though Iím scarcely reading anything about him these
days, will irritate me beyond endurance before election day. That wonít
stop him from beating McCain like a mocha-skinned stepchild, but it may
well spur me to campaign against the high-powered twerp.
Here's an example of Politics at it's very best, I MEAN WORST gutter like GOP politics.
The sad thing about this illustration is that somewhere in mid American that's a fat bastard watching WWE or WWF maybe Nascar who'll see this pic somewhere and never ever come close to grasping the reality of it.
Brainwashed by " RAW " and " SMACK DOWN " ready to fight at the drop of a hat. This shit has gone way way beyond the line.
How far the human race has fallen and the sad part. NOBODY really gives a damn!
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:28 am Post subject: if you know what I mean
I saw Public Enemy in Chicago many years ago. The sound was distorted, the show was okay, pretty cool. I was kinda disappointing that the crowd was mainly white yuppy Kids, no flavor. So after hearing two hours of political protest with tunage we exited the building to see a guy protesting the the Iraq war. Then these dudes in private security outfits started pushing the protester around.
The protester turns to us and asks" Are you going to let them do this to me".
Now I've seen bad acting before, and I watched as the guards took the protester inside the building. Now there were dumb white kids swarming and chanting something like "Hell no let him go". I started telling people, that this is a set up, but no one wanted to hear that. The Chicago Police showed up very quickly, to quick if you know what I mean. They had many paddy wagons and two police at a time would pick up a kid by each side, arms and legs, and use their
head as a battering ram on the side of the patty wagon. I turned to look up at the marque sign and there was Public Enemy sitting up there watching the show. We made national news that Night. "Power to the people"
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