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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The South would threaten secession if she were to win.


I really don't have a problem with their secession, and they'd rather like it as well.

I have now listened to the audio. Good job. Nothing will make me like either one of them, anyway... not that it was intended to. I really doubt I will go to the polls this time around. Besides, in my town, they put the voting machines in churches. Funny. In NJ we went to public school auditoriums and other public centers to cast our votes.

Canada is looking better every day.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:47 pm    Post subject: Re: New Audio: President McCain & the Obama Ambush Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:

I am slightly perplexed - I still see Hillary getting the nod. Is there nothing that indicates a Hillary "win" in November?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it hard to believe that they went through all that nonsense with Hillary and she's not gonna be there.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For this time - Hillary is definitely out.
It is completely poitically impossible now.

The purpose of Hillary was pure diversion.
(Listen to the audio. (again))

Hillary is a shoe-in for the next time round.
Sorta' the 'Pelosi' of the White House. Sigh.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good audio/analysis Fintan. Going to listen to it a few more good times. Im also wondering just out of curiosity.....what exactly is Poppy's role in all of this, I know he has one.....
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
For this time - Hillary is definitely out.
It is completely poitically impossible now.

The purpose of Hillary was pure diversion.
(Listen to the audio. (again))

Hillary is a shoe-in for the next time round.
Sorta' the 'Pelosi' of the White House. Sigh.


Shocked Sad Mad
Well there goes the big 'pay day ' for BFN and me. (sorry Fintan).
Had thousands riding on Hillary being the Democratic candidate, and President.
Bugger!
Fuck diversions!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its rather funny actually, im really looking forward to the drama that will play out later this year. I remember earlier this year hearing on the radio that Poppy bush endorsed McCain, I knew then that the sh*t had really hit the fan or was starting to be heard hitting the fan lol.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Big Boss: Very good audio/analysis Fintan. Going to listen to it a few
more good times. Im also wondering just out of curiosity.....
what exactly is Poppy's role in all of this, I know he has one.....

Lemme think..... Oh. I know....
CENTRAL. Wink

Meanwhile, left blogger gets a puzzling whiff
of something in thar air, but still can't
figure out exactly what it is?!?

How about:
Nov is being spun into a poll on War.
McCain win = 4 More years minimum!
(Option to extend to 100 years)
With a full 'democratic' mandate too!


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Wow: Public now almost evenly split on timetable for withdrawal

posted at 7:44 pm on July 14, 2008 by Allahpundit

50/49 in favor per the new ABC/WaPo poll, within the three-point
margin of error. There’s no prior data on the specific question of a
16-month timetable to compare it to, but given the trend on whether
significant progress is being made, it’s safe to say Obama’s pullout
advantage ain’t what it used to be:


I don’t know what to make of it. It’s in line with what Quinnipiac
recently found in four battleground states, with clear majorities opposing
a timetable in each, but it runs counter to national polls taken in June by
CNN, Pew, and Time magazine, in which majorities answered yes to
variations on a question about supporting withdrawal as soon as possible
without regard to Iraq’s stability. Are ABC/WaPo and Quinnipiac catching
the first sign of a breaking wave in public opinion? I don’t know how else
to explain it, except that the more articles like this there are on the wires,
the less catalyzing Maverick’s “100 years” comment is going to seem.

Here’s a little morsel tucked into ABC’s analysis for which partisan data
is conspicuously not supplied:

On Afghanistan, however, independents side more closely with
Republicans than with Democrats. Majorities of Republicans and
independents think the war in Afghanistan was worth fighting and that the
effort there is linked to the eventual defeat of terrorism more broadly.
Majorities of Democrats disagree.
http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/Story?id=5370538&page=3

The split on whether the war was worth fighting is 51/45 and the split on
whether victory is necessary is 51/42. Assuming (safely) that large
majorities of Republicans answered yes to both questions, just how large
are the majorities of Democrats who are now saying no? Exit question: In
light of the fact that Obama’s main justification in withdrawing from Iraq is
to redeploy to where the “real war on terror” is being fought, has anyone
bothered telling him yet that his own supporters evidently no longer think
we should be fighting there?

Update: Forgot to mention, answering “yes” to whether the candidate
would be a good commander-in-chief: McCain 72, Obama 48.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/14/wow-public-now-almost-evenly-split-on-timetable-for-withdrawal/

Full Poll data
http://www.abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1066a1IraqandAfghanistan.pdf


Quote:
Amid Controversy, Obama Reaffirms Iraq Withdrawal Plan
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-07-14-voa71.cfm

Obama would swap Iraq war loss for election win: McCain camp
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i6dhh7DsKfFl7534Cn0gaalXi9UQ


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See also:

Majorities in four battleground states want troops in Iraq until it’s stable
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/26/quinnipiac-majorities-in-four-battleground-states-want-troops-in-iraq-until-its-stable/

Some good stats on changing public opinion to the war:
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

A gentle descent to Baghdad's airport
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080714/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_a_different_city

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the above "War Vote" post was not bad enough,
consider the Obama New Yorker cover cartoon
"controversy" -now going mega on Google News.

Now, just in case you are some kind of tinfoil-hatted
conspiracy theorist, this is not, repeat NOT some kind
of a subtle PsyOp campaign to kick off the undermining
of middle-ground voter support for Obama.

Honestly. It's not. Really. I swear.

It's just satire, fer chrissakes!

Just a bit of harmless fun, is all.........

Quote:


The New Yorker's 'Tasteless' Obama Cover

This is the New Yorker's new cover, depicting Barack Obama and his wife
Michelle in the Oval Office. It accompanies a big article about how Obama
maybe was not always about CHANGE but in fact may have been a skilled
Chicago politician
at some point.


The cover promises to become an election flashpoint, and the
presumptive Democratic nominee's campaign has already called it
"tasteless and offensive." The caricature, according to the Huffington Post,
"combines every smeary right-wing stereotype imaginable" about Obama.
Ha ha, as if. Sure, the stereotypes about Obama being a flag-burning
terrorist muslim and Michelle being an ashamed-of-America black power
revolutionary are all there, but shouldn't Obama somehow also be an
aloof Harvard elitist who hates "bitter" working-class whites? Instead,
he's in rags and robes, with no jewelry or caviar or sociology texts and
so forth. Anyway, the cartoonist said he's trying to mock the stereotypes,
not perpetuate them:

I think the idea that the Obamas are branded as unpatriotic [let alone
as terrorists] in certain sectors is preposterous. It seemed to me that
depicting the concept would show it as the fear-mongering ridiculousness
that it is.


Rachel Sklar, who jumped on the story over at the Huffington Post,
isn't buying it:

...it's got all the scare tactics and misinformation that has so far been used to derail Barack Obama's campaign — all in one handy illustration. Anyone who's tried to paint Obama as a Muslim, anyone who's tried to portray Michelle as angry or a secret revolutionary out to get Whitey, anyone who has questioned their patriotism— well, here's your image.

Right, because if there's one source right-wing scaremongers
love to cite, it's the New Yorker!

Jake Tapper of ABC News agrees with Sklar:

Knowing the liberal politics of the magazine, I believe the magazine's
staff when they say the illustration is meant ironically, as a parody of the
caricature some conservatives (and some supporters of Sen. Hillary
Clinton, D-N.Y.) are painting of the Obamas.

But it's still fairly incendiary, at least as these things go. I wonder what
the reaction would be were it the Weekly Standard or the National Review
putting such an illustration on their covers.

Intent factors into these matters, of course, but no Upper East Side liberal
— no matter how superior they feel their intellect is — should assume that
just because they're mocking such ridiculousness, the illustration won't
feed into the same beast in emails and other media. It's a recruitment
poster for the right-wing.


So participants in important political discussions, especially those who
have loud voices by dint of talent, power or medium of publication,
should tailor their self-expression in such a way that it can't possibly be
misappropriated by extremists! Gee, that sounds familiar.

Well, this is the part in the campaign where we find out who among
Barack Obama and his supporters truly do want to set aside the
melodramatic hysterics that have cropped up around political dialog in
this country over the past seven years, and who is instead destined to
join the extreme right in opposing a long and proud American tradition of
brazen free speech and rough-and-tumble dialog that have all too often
been set aside in recent years in the name of sensitivity — patriotic or
otherwise.

Or maybe I'm just touchy because these anti-French-defamation people
weren't happy with my own caricature of stereotypes over the weekend.
Whatever, talk amongst yourselves!

http://gawker.com/tag/barack-obama/?i=5024753&t=the-new-yorkers-tasteless-obama-cover


Just a sample of the Google News on this:

Quote:
US election: Barack Obama campaign attacks 'offensive' New Yorker ...
Telegraph.co.uk, United Kingdom - 15 hours ago
But David Remnick, the New Yorker editor, vigorously defended his decision to publish the cartoon. "Our cover 'The Politics of Fear' combines a number of ...
Video: Magazine's 'Satirical' Obama Cover Stirs Outrage AssociatedPress
Long Islanders appalled by New Yorker's Obama cartoon Newsday
New Yorker slammed over cover cartoon of Barack Obama and wifeO Melbourne Herald Sun
MarketWatch - Yahoo! News
all 1,495 news articles
People Complaining About The Obama "New Yorker" Cover Are Wrong
Huffington Post, NY - 8 hours ago
Within a week I saw a cartoon (may have even been in the New Yorker) showing Bill and Hill sitting around the White House in tie-dye shirts, looking trippy, ...

AFP Obama campaign outraged by New Yorker cover
AFP - 9 hours ago
NEW YORK (AFP) — Barack Obama's campaign decried Monday a satirical cartoon on the cover of The New Yorker magazine showing the Democratic presidential ...

Boston Globe New Yorker explanation...Obama and the NAACP...Bertha's fury ...
KXMC, ND - 5 hours ago
The satirical cartoon shows Barack Obama and his wife as flag-burning, fist-bumping radicals. Obama's campaign calls it "tasteless and offensive. ...
Video: Obama Talks Tough at NAACP Convention AssociatedPress
Obama calls on blacks to look inward 7Online.com
GOP Group Criticizes Obama for Trip With GOP Senator New York Sun
all 850 news articles
The Morning Report
RealClearPolitics Blog - 22 hours ago
Good Morning America - James Carville, on the controversial new cover on the New Yorker: "The New Yorker has a history of being a great magazine and being a ...

NewsBusters Mika: New Yorker Obama Cartoon 'Dangerous'
NewsBusters - 23 hours ago
True, the Danes had nothing to do with the New Yorker's publication of the Obama cover. But what more time-honored locale to protest an irreverent cartoon ...
I never thought New Yorker cartoons were funny
News Groper (satire), NY - 19 hours ago
Come to find out, New Yorker cartoons are a kind of litmus test for east coast liberals. You have to know which ones rate a knowing smile, which ones to ...
Kurtz: Snow Was "Extraordinarily Decent Human Being" mediabistro.com
all 2 news articles
Obama New Yorker Communist Muslim Outrage!
Wonkette (satire), DC - 13 hours ago
Have you heard about Tina Brown’s provocative New Yorker cartoon? Well, some wacky kids in Georgetwon claim to have found some rejected Barack Obama cover ...
What sells
MSNBC - 12 hours ago
With the flap over The New Yorker cartoon cover, First Read took a look back at the year in magazine covers to show, quantitatively, how many more times ...

Gawker We Are All Racist For Not Hating that 'New Yorker' Cover
Gawker, NY - 12 hours ago
A reader is upset with Gawker for wholeheartedly embracing The New Yorker's terribly offensive cartoon about how Barack Obama is a terrorist. ...


And the New Yorker article itself?
Is NOT an underhand dig at Obama.

Ok?

Good.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wow: Public now almost evenly split on timetable for withdrawal


That makes me sick. Please stop the room from spinning! Laughing
When will people stop believing polls like that, especially from the MSM?
Argh, i dont even want to know the answer... Crying or Very sad
The MSM makes public opinion, they don't report it...wake up sheeple!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But are they evil enough? 'No Values Voters' are not convinced.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be damned lol....onward downhill Obama goes indeed....Yes Fintan, i should definitely know better concerning Poppy's role, but I suppose I meant what exactly is his role centrally speaking lol. I'd just like to know what he's doing, etc. Haven't heard anything concerning him in a while, and indeed thats what makes Poppy "Poppy" lol.
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