The Revolution is Now

bri · Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 2887 Location: Capacious Creek

Thanks city I enjoyed the positive bits of the Jefferson Mack pdf., but a lot of it did irk me, raise flags. Most of it actually.

Were there any positive bits?

So you know, when Marshall Law is declared we should all know where to place the dogs with bombs in them, so as that we hurt troops and not innocent people.

Be ready. Bury Guns.... Only MAIL BOMBS work!

Kinda psyopy almost, dontch'a think? A bunch of cliche'd resistors who are "alone" sure aren't going to get much of anything done. Even car bombs.

" I thought YOU were supposed to bring the ammonium nitrate!"

city trader · Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 373

duane · Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:32 am Post subject:

about the Author
While working in Latin America and Southeast Asia for 20 years with one of the many different intelligence agencies of the United States, Jefferson Mack learned that governments are often the cause of humanity's problems but never the solution. [u]He and the lady love of his life now live in their own safe house somewhere in the Northwest where they hunt, fish and live off the land while enjoying a world of computers, satellite TV, old pickups, chain saws and weapons ranging from bows and arrows and muzzle loaders to high-powered rifles with scopes designed for sniping.

this type of advise doesn't help. if everybody moved to a cabin in the northwest, the place would resemble NYC. the fish and game would be gone, the trees cut down and everyone would be within sights of someone else's sniper rifle.

a true revolution must change everything so everyone can benefit without having to move. some relocation may be necessary and desirable due to crowded conditions.

for citytrader

Revelation ( or in this case revolution)

.Re 21:1 ¶ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away

to make a revolution work you need some idea of what the result will be.

Patrick wrote

duane wrote:
Bucky had it right. “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”

Wasn't the vote over Lisbon a prely negationist act which does not provide any new model but merely rejected an existing reality? So presumably you mean that no one should have voted in the referendum? The reality is that every attempt to assemble a new model of anything necessarily involves many acts of simple negationism as building blocks.[/i]

it is true that the vote over Lisbon didn't provide a new model. that is part of the problem with the PTB. they never offer choice C. but now that Ireland has rejected the treaty, they now have time to investigate other options other than "join us or die"

city trader · Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 373

duane wrote:
''this type of advise doesn't help. if everybody moved to a cabin in the northwest, the place would resemble NYC. the fish and game would be gone, the trees cut down and everyone would be within sights of someone else's sniper rifle.

a true revolution must change everything so everyone can benefit without having to move. some relocation may be necessary and desirable due to crowded conditions.

for citytrader

Revelation ( or in this case revolution)

.Re 21:1 ¶ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away

to make a revolution work you need some idea of what the result will be.''

I agree:

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Best be willing to learn.

Fintan · Site Admin Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 6098

Big Boss · Joined: 04 May 2008 Posts: 768 Location: Outer Heaven

Or he could take an elevator to the 'gtfo' floor....'Jah' seriously lol. Take that disinfo shite elsewhere.

city trader · Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 373

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{duane wrote:
a true revolution must change everything so everyone can benefit without having to move. some relocation may be necessary and desirable due to crowded conditions.

duane wrote:
to make a revolution work you need some idea of what the result will be.

City trader wrote:
I agree.

Fintan launches attack, Mmm.}

[quote="Fintan"]

duane · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:24 am Post subject:

I would like to make some clarifications before things get out of hand and off topic.

1. my inclusion of the verse from revelation may have been unfortunate.
i was not intending to bring in prophesy or religion or dubious websites
into the discussion. it was just a saying that came to mind, ie, that a new
system is needed to replace the existing one.

2. a true revolution (the subject of this thread) isn't about replacing republicans with democrats, running away to live like a mountainman, exchanging the current EU with a kindlier, gentler one, or returning to an earlier more benign form of capitalism.

3. a revolution needs a successful model to emulate. why change to something (communism, socialism, fascism, etc) that does not work.

4. the model needs to be compatable with the greater system in which it operates and ideally contributes to rather than weakens the system. for us on planet earth that system is Nature.

5. unfortunately, all the dominant models operating today aren't contributory toward the greater system and like my analogy of the liver they are cancerous .

6. the new model needs to utilize the principles of nature.

city trader · Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 373

LT_lurker · Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 37 Location: fortress britain

I am called LT_lurker for a reason.

Read what Elbowdeep wrote in the thread entitled War and Peace.

As for revolution, enjoy the circle.

I think it was said best at least 15 years ago

"we tried to change the world and... ended up bringing the same restrictive and negative patterns into the world..."

I remain sceptical of the revolution talk I hear from many of the adolescents and instead I sway more towards the view of H.G.Wells

'we think less of conquering self and more and more of escaping self' (from memory)

That aside, this may be of interest to the progressive thinker:

2006-10-26 Dave Stratman: Revolution and Overturning the System