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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:22 am    Post subject: 'The Hidden Iraq' - A Jaw-Dropping Video Reply with quote

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It is impossible not to be moved by this no-holds-barred
film of the harsh actuality in Iraq, five years after invasion.


Kathy and I strongly recommend you view the film and circulate this url:

'The Hidden Iraq' - A Jaw-Dropping Video
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4159


This UK Channel 4 film was transmitted on 18th March, 2008.

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Jon Snow's Hidden Iraq

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Jon Snow's Hidden Iraq

Jon Snow examines the brutal reality of life inside post-invasion Iraq,
meeting a variety of its citizens from victims of bomb blasts and war
widows to human rights activists and politicians.


Five years after the invasion, Channel 4 news anchor Jon Snow examines
the brutal reality of life inside post-invasion Iraq, meeting a variety of its
citizens from victims of bomb blasts and war widows to human rights
activists and politicians. While the coalition forces herald its burgeoning
democracy, Snow ties together reports and unseen footage of recent
violence and human rights abuses from beyond the Green Zone which
paint a picture of a fragmented state on the brink of anarchy and collapse.


Deploying regional video journalists and specialist cameramen into areas
few Western journalists could ever contemplate, Jon Snow's Hidden Iraq
ventures behind the rhetoric to uncover what life on the ground is really
like for Iraqis. The film forms part of the Happy Birthday Iraq season
marking the fifth anniversary of the invasion - a series of penetrating
programmes made by award-winning filmmakers examining the
devastating fall-out of the war for Iraq and the Middle East, America and
Britain.

Journalist Nir Rosen travels around Baghdad and uncovers a patchwork
of ethnically-segregated communities, divided by concrete blast walls.
Where once different religions and sects mixed freely, he discovers a
complete disconnection with homogenous neighbourhoods at war with
one another.

Rosen's footage reveals how the splintering of Iraq has allowed warlords
and militias to control individual areas. He meets Abu Abed, the
commander of one such militia protecting the Sunni Ameriya district of
Baghdad. The Americans have celebrated the exploits of his "Awakening
Council" which united them in the fight against Al Qaeda, as emblematic
of the success of the surge. But his views on the Shia offer a chilling
prospect for the future of Iraq: "Because Iraq is a tribal country the killing
is not forgotten even after years. You kill my brother and I know you
killed him then I will follow you for a hundred years. You cannot forget.
Revenge in the Arab tradition is a very old habit."

The view from an opposing Shia militia is no more encouraging. Abu
Hassan, a committed Sadrist, the party protected by the powerful Shia
Mahdi army labels the Awakening Council a "bunch of killers", arguing
they kill for money and their loyalty is dependent on America's funding.

The film reveals how our obsession with the security situation in Iraq
masks the true hardships of daily life. Saad Jawaad, victim of a recent
bomb in the Karrada district of Baghdad, tells Snow that state healthcare
has all but collapsed. He describes being turned away from his hospital
which now only treats wealthy private patients.

Iraq was once home to the largest secular middle class in the Middle East.
Human rights activist Basma Al Khatib describes its disintegration to Snow
- the collapse of industry, the closure of universities and the control of
business centres by militias. Basma reveals just how far the standard of
living has regressed: "In the eighties we discarded oil fuel heaters, but
now it's life-saving because you can survive with them... You dig your
well in case there is no water. You have your own generators; you have
your own stock of fuel. You have to have a stock of food for three
months, especially if you have kids... We don't have hot water... You do
worry about your wife giving birth after 11 O'clock in labour, because you
cannot take her to hospital, so most of the pregnant women now schedule
a caesarean."

The film examines the appalling, but forgotten plight of Iraq's millions of
widows. Najah Abbas speaks for the thousands of women whose
husbands have been killed, telling Snow how impossible her life has
become following the death of her husband - how she feels abandoned
by the Government and has no-one to turn to.

Iraqi journalist Ghaith Abdul-Ahad tells Jon that the newly-created central
government in the Greenzone is in reality a paper fiction, bearing no
relation to the lives of ordinary Iraqis: "The parliament in Baghdad, for
the average Iraqi person is a distant planet, somewhere else. People talk
in the Parliament about issues that don't really touch the life of the Iraqi
people... When we talk about an Iraqi Government, again, it's a... it's a
kind of a mistake, it's a kind of a wrong word."

Jon contends that our expectations for Iraq have sunk so low that
"success" is measured purely by casualties. "In attempting to quantify
what's happened here in the last five years there's been a grim obsession
with body counts - how many hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died,
but the abiding casualty is the quality of life of the average Iraqi... This is
a society that has seen its middle classes flee, has witnessed the
execution of Saddam, but itself has been beheaded."


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Latest Iraq News

Launch Channel 4 News Iraq Player

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Blogs, Video, Articles via Interactive Map of Iraq

For a fresh perspective and a retrospective on 5 years on
conflict in Iraq, you can view our special Iraq Season map.



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Files, when saved, will be named get_video.
Rename files to whatever you like and add .flv to the end of the file name.
Files can be played with VLC Media Player.

Jon Snow's Hidden Iraq 2008 Part 1 - Direct Download:
http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=vVQoGKD2gA4&t=OEgsToPDskJB_ZgO4U9SZnafuGyyP2CL

Jon Snow's Hidden Iraq 2008 Part 2 - Direct Download:
http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=uLnabO32nJU&t=OEgsToPDskLDHnZ2D2yQzSiit6ZtDChC

Jon Snow's Hidden Iraq 2008 Part 3 - Direct Download:
http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=4FMoimPAuDk&t=OEgsToPDskLDWNrESKcEzgFz6tKmCfRK

Jon Snow's Hidden Iraq 2008 Part 4 - Direct Download:
http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=2VD2tWtLTTs&t=OEgsToPDskLdUoYh6u7W0EhaQEXwOdHw

Jon Snow's Hidden Iraq 2008 Part 5 - Direct Download:
http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=zGSzVrVrNNk&t=OEgsToPDskIZwdbLwBHnqWFS2sQ27Y4w

Jon Snow's Hidden Iraq 2008 Part 6 - Direct Download:
http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=s4rDUt4canA&t=OEgsToPDskLGJ-mt6FIvNa8hSA5R0aP4

This file's name is very long, but it already has the proper extension applied (.flv) and can also be played with VLC Media Player.

Jon Snow's Iraq: The Fallout - Direct Download
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's another unseen view.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/291.html
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I highly recommend this video. I caught it first time round on TV and is a piece of decent journalism. John Snow tells it like it is and you cannot help but come to the conclusion that the reasons for invading Iraq and all the promises that were made were completely bogus.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great post. Thanks. I can't help but think that if the hidden architects of the occupation could speak freely, their message would be the same as it was in 2003, - "Mission Accomplished". There were two telling quotes from the video that spoke to this:

"Increasingly, we're being destroyed."

"The American forces have created disabled men, destruction, displacement and an unstable country."

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: Snow Reply with quote

A Snowjob for the "left" the "progressives" the "antiwar" crowd.

Maudlin, selective editing with opinion as narration from the other cheek on the corporate ass (you know, the cheek that funds folks like Snow to stroll along Baghdad streets or sit in hotel rooms for 5 minute interviews).

And the "left" sheeple will cry, just as the "right" over their films of schools and hospitals built in Ramadi or troops dancing with children - "how can it not be the truth, I seen it with my own eyes on the tube."
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Evelyn, welcome to the forum.

Channel4 is showing a side of the Iraq conflict that rarely features on TV.
I say fair play to Jon Snow for the work he has done on these films

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The most recent film "Who Controls Iraq Oil?"
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CAUTION:

Despite the merits of Jon Snow's coverage of Iraq, Kathy and I have
viewed the movie 'Battle for Haditha,' which was transmitted on
Channel 4 concurrent with Snow's Iraq features. The docu-drama film is
supposed to be the story of the Haditha massacre. We found it to be a
piece of crude propaganda.


The film mixes truths which are already inescapably in the public domain,
with gross distortions of the overall context of the murder of 24 civilians,
including women and children as young as 2-years-old.

It blames the 'terrorist' IED bombing which preceeded the killings of the
civillians as the real cause of the massacre. It shows "Al-Qaida" paying
$1,000 to those who planted the IED -implying that money is their main
motivation. In truth, the "al-Qaida" foreign fighters are despised by many
Iraqis because of suicide bombings which target civillians. It is the Iraqi
resistance who have spearheaded the IED campaign.

The film implies that ordinary Iraqis are unsupportive of the resistance,
even though polls have shown that up to 70% approve of guerilla acts
which target the occupation and not civilians.

In a closing scene, four Marines are shown being informed that they
are to be investigated for murder of the civillians --giving the impression
that a proper military-judicial process is now in train. In fact, charges
against three of the four have been dropped and those against the fourth
Marine have been reduced to manslaughter. There is no mention of this.

The whole affsir is portrayed as a tragic isolated incident. Truth is that
the U.S. occupation forces are notorious among Iraqis for their unprovoked
and/or reckless shootings of civilians. This context is never referenced.

The film even puts words in the mouths of the actors along the lines that
things in Iraq would be much worse if the U.S were to withdraw.

It's a despicable exploitation of the deaths for political purposes.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I'd be very cautious of taking C4 as a reputable source for anything, except, say, Brookside.

I was curious as to why you would trumpet a well known anchor [sic] like Jon Snow.

His coverage of the invasion has been despicable from the get-go.

A shill, for sure.

Fintan, dude, you should 'Jon Snow' better.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Kathy

Channel4 is showing a side of the Iraq conflict that rarely features on TV.

I would say that the Channel4 "side" is the "left/progressive/liberal" side of propaganda. I'm not sure what to call the "opposition" anymore.

I haven't seen truth from any "side" in my lifetime. Largely hype and spin with a dash of fact. Personally, I believe all we are fed is 95 percent spin and 5 percent fact, and folks keep tuning in for the media ejaculation - rage, anger, warm fuzzies, justification, next truthsayer step right up.

As for who controls the oil in Iraq my opinion is one need look no further than unapproachable secluded estates in places such as the Netherlands, Belgium....

(A little background on myself - (I'm a bit paranoid) but I have 3 sons age 23-37, a DIL, and several nephews doing multiple tours of Iraq and Afghanistan and a veteran of Central American myself in the 1980s. Our family has always been military, and although I tried years ago to keep my children out of uniform they too have made careers there. Contrary to popular belief our family is neither poor nor ignorant, or redneck. My children are biracial, hubby is Sicilian/I'm black, all my daughter-in-laws are Mexican nationals. I fantasize of freedom w/o or from government.)
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow - quite some background you've got going on there, evelyn - welcome to BFN. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the welcome guys. I've been lurking for years and feel I know most of you. Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi evelyn

As Fintan wrote above "Caution". Having watched The Jon Snow
Documentary first and then three of the "Dispatches" documentaries last
night from Ch4, including the one on "Who Controls Iraq Oil" I am of the
opinion that the Jon Snow ones are the best of a bad lot.

As for "The Betrayal" presented by Peter Oborne it was propaganda spin,
full of disinformation.

We are not endorsing everything Jon Snow does but "Hidden Iraq" is not
laced with hidden agendas like the Oborne drivel.

evelyn wrote
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As for who controls the oil in Iraq my opinion is one need look no
further than unapproachable secluded estates in places such as the
Netherlands, Belgium....


Absolutely Royal Dutch Shell.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:17 pm    Post subject: Jon Snow Reply with quote

Anybody who says Haditha is an isolated incident either just doesn't get it or is willfully deceptive. How much of what happened in Vietnam is reenacted in Iraq? Or go back a little farther, when Americans invaded the Philippines in the Spanish-American War? What about all the Indian Wars? When people are out to take new territory, one of the first things the young recruits are taught is to despise the enemy. If those exortations do not take, then a few incidents of a friend being blown up will do it.

Iraq might have been a tough sell for Americans, most of whom had a cartoon-like notion of Arabs, and no personal dog in the fight in the Middle East. Even when some tried to spin the Oklahoma City bombing as Arab terrorism, the first such breach of the country, it just didn't take off. It really took the spectacle of 9/11, even though it could not at first be linked to Saddam, in spite of the White House's attempt to strong-arm the intelligence community into saying it was.

But the young recruits could be brought in to fight Saddam "there" so we didn't have to fight him "here". All that follows comes from that act of the will by the White House. They never hesitate on their visits to the troops in Iraq to tie Saddam to 9/11, lying through their teeth. Thus, even though Saddam has now paid for their former support with his death, he can still be used to explain things. The "liberation" of Iraq, not going so well, may be a bloody mess, but there is one special reason why that is a plus and a mission accomplished, in my opinion.

I grew up in a time and place in which there were productive oil wells supplying Californians and the rest of the nation with cheap fuel. Why go half-way around the world for oil? Why depend on it as Europeans always have, as the Brits did? Because it ran out here. Oil is a finite resource. It was tapped out in the US, it will be tapped out everyone it is drilled. But right now, there is still enough of it some places to tempt those who want more of it.

Imagine a juicy pie, lightly covered in crumbs and sugar and you understand why in the run-up to the war, there was talk of the "oil pie", lightly covered in soft sand. No need for North Atlantic drill platforms. No need for two mile-deep wells in the Caribbean. Just all that oil there for the taking, with a few good men. Is this inconsistent with the mercantilist past of the West? No, it is all of a piece, damn the idealism.

While people sit on top of the oil, they will be killed for it. Those directly involved in the struggle on the ground, contending over Sunni vs. Shi'ia, will probably never reap the benefits. They will go to those who started the fight.

Some say, and not without evidence, that the spark was lit by these same reapers. I am of that opinion, because it is the thing which, as the picture resolves, as the illusions fade, makes the most sense. It is all in character: what they do, not what they say. The boys who did Haditha are bad. The people who sent them there are far worse. The fools who believe and sanction them are the worst of all.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I do not think Haditha is an "isolated" incident, neither do I think it is a common occurence. Such acts occur in all wars. Grandpa and great grandpa committed the same crimes in WWII, Korea, etc. That's war. I support ending war now.

But what I find just as offensive are the fools who rail about war while supporting the same shit under the guise of "peacekeeping" or "aid" or charity. A good deal of Africa, the Caribbean, Asia, and Latin America has been and continues to be murdered and raped, literally or metaphorically speaking, by Anglo do-gooders - progressives they like to call themselves.

Anglo do-gooders who give just enough "aid" to keep populations dumb and dependent and in poverty. They "give" seed so natives can grow food for gringos rather than their own staple food supplies. Do-gooders donate lentils to Ethiopia even though local farmers grow lentils - geeze what does that do to the local bean price?

American do-gooders give the programs warm fuzzy names like "Food for Peace." More aptly would be food for chattel. Such giveaway programs keep food prices up at home, fill corporate coffers, props Wall Street, and more often than not destroys the recipient's economy. Anglo Do-gooders send shoes to Haitians but will never stop the plantation system which keeps them barefoot. And lordy lordy do-gooders sometimes even adopt (buy) our non-white babies.

So while I detest war, I detest even more the "left" who walk dressed in the mantle of peace and prosperity when it's a guise just as ugly, deadly, and perverse as war - it's just more tortuous, taking longer to destroy the recipients.

Even at home - the social welfare system thanks to progressive do-gooders - has been the number 1 weapon against Black America. We were better off in many ways before do-gooders handed out vouchers and checks and defended it under the feel-good meme of "aid to dependent children."

Do-gooders war with a bag of rice and a foundation grant to keep their victims alive a few years - the other team uses ammo. The results are the same. Devastation and death.

I piss on both sides of the aisle, and in the center.
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