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evelyn



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are many other questions we covered in the audio, and all are
based on detailed research. Most school shootings are as they seem,
but that doesn't rule out some being Black-Ops.


There are always questions in any high profile event/case. Simply b/c the public does not have all the answers doesn't relegate the event to a psyop.

If NIU is a psyop/Black-Op, cui bono?

Questioning the truth of events is good - but not when nearly every case becomes nothing more than another psy-op, another patsy, another set-up.

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- The falsity of the claim that drug withdrawal impelled him.
- A simple explanation for his infamous bizarre tattoos.
- The strange phone call he got, and a mystery woman.
- Kazmierczak's highly rational online Amazon Reviews.
- A dirty tricks campaign to depict him as a terrorist.
- The unusual background of top NIU Cop Donald Grady.
- The counter-terrorism operation on the NIU campus.


- You believe drug withdrawal had nothing to do with his compulsion?
- You want or you have a simple explanation for tattoos of gruesome?
- You believe sociopaths cannot be highly rational??
- Dirty tricks campaign from blogs and news sites could be nothing more than sensationalism and ratings.
- I didn't think Grady background all that unusual.
- What "operation"? Are you referring to the counter-terrorism must-spend grant NIU received from DHS?

I agree the Berg beheading was sickening intentional blatent propaganda.

I suppose skepticism is only good when aimed in the other direction.

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We are aware of detail and inconsistencies that have never made it into public domain.


Are those anonymous sources from high-level insiders who cannot be identified?

As for the hard drive boss - if I were going to commit such an act I would disappear my hard drive and a few other things. In fact, if I committed a heinous act, why not make it appear I was patsied.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answers to the questions you raise are in the audio and/or the
first two pages of this thread. No point in me rehashing them again.

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Questioning the truth of events is good
- but not when nearly every case
becomes nothing more than another
psy-op
, another patsy, another set-up.

In the previous post you were painting us as alleging
Steve was some kind of mind control MKULTRA drone.

Now you say that "nearly every case becomes
nothing more than another psy-op"

That's an unfounded sweeping generalization.

BFN is not a Tinfoil Conspiracy website.

I and other members laugh at the gullible who buy such drivel.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As has already been said here, it's is amazing that the offical reports have still
not been released, a year after the event.


I'm not certain that's amazing - Leicestershire police took over a year to release Madelein McCann files to her parents and only then after they filed suit. And London only a couple of years ago released the 1969 police files on Mick Jagger. Maybe someone needs to file a FOIA.

The full report on the shooting at V-tech has yet to be released also.

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We have yet to determine the identity of the person(s):

Who purchased the guns used in the attack in his name.
Who bought the Glock magazines online in his name.
Who checked into the Best Western under his name.
Who checked into the Travel Lodge under his name.
Who mailed books and ammunition to his girlfriend.
Who shot the students in Cole Hall.
Whose body was recovered.


And whether some or all of those persons were Steve Kazmierczak.


If that doesn't sound tinfoil I don't know what does.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Incredible outburst by NIU Police Chief Grady,
when pressed by a reporter from AP on the issue
of the long overdue police report.

Looks like the reporter hit a raw nerve.

Grady now says it may be "years".

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Final report awaits

By MICHAEL TARM - The Associated Press
February 14, 2009 1:15 a.m. CST

DeKALB – If Donald Grady had his way, the Northern Illinois University
police chief would never again hear the name of the gunman who opened
fire from a lecture hall stage one year ago Saturday, fatally shooting five
students in a geology class before killing himself.

“Why give the guy the notoriety he sought?” said Grady, the lead
investigator charged with issuing a final police report on the Feb. 14,
2008, attack. “That might only encourage someone else with mental
issues to try and do the same thing one day.”

But with a full year passed and no sign of the investigative report, there’s
no chance of fulfilling Grady’s wish to banish Steven Kazmierczak’s name
from public discourse.

Grady brushes aside critics who insist his findings are long overdue. Just
days before the first anniversary of the shootings, the gruff, no-nonsense
police chief said there was no dispute about what he deemed the most
important facts.

“You want to know who the suspect is? You know that. He’s dead,” said
Grady, his booming voice rising. “You want to know how many guns he
had? You know that. You want to know how many victims there were?
You know that. What else do you need to know?”
........


Grady said he still had thousands of investigative papers to read, and
even holds out hope that a hard drive apparently discarded from
Kazmierczak’s laptop before the attack might turn up; no suicide note
ever was found, no motive pinpointed.
Officials and friends have said
Kazmierczak struggled with mental health troubles.

The chief does intend to release his report – but said it could be
months, even years, from now
. With no additional suspects or
indication of accomplices, Grady said, “this case just isn’t as high a
priority anymore.”

Jim Thomas, an NIU sociology professor who once taught Kazmierczak
and maintained a friendship with him and his girlfriend, contends it’s
not up to Grady to decide whether a final report is relevant.

He said he understood why many survivors and their families weren’t
pressing Grady, in part because some credit his department’s swift action
with saving lives.

“I know some of the families think Grady walks on water,” Thomas said.
“But we’re talking about information that should be made public, including
to help some people bring closure.”

http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2009/02/14/r_chmobnirkguj4qrwiu4pq/index.xml

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just finished reading that same "outburst" by Grady.

BTW, you all are in good company with this one - prison planet forum says NIU was a black-op. Neutral

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BTW, you all are in good company with this one
- prison planet forum says NIU was a black-op.

No. We are not in good company with Prison Planet.
Alex Jones is on the list of CIA Fakes and we oppose
the whole ethos and substance of that site and forum.

I will say it now for the third time, despite your continuing
efforts to paint BFN as tinfoil fodder:

We do not subscribe to knee-jerk conspiracy theory. Period.

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We have yet to determine the identity of the person(s):

Who purchased the guns used in the attack in his name.
Who bought the Glock magazines online in his name.
Who checked into the Best Western under his name.
Who checked into the Travel Lodge under his name.
Who mailed books and ammunition to his girlfriend.
Who shot the students in Cole Hall.
Whose body was recovered.

And whether some or all of those persons were Steve Kazmierczak.


If that doesn't sound tinfoil I don't know what does.


Those questions I raised ten days after the killings, while facts were still
uncertain. They were legitimate questions. You left out something when
you quoted me. I preceeded my remarks by saying:

Quote:
I'm just highlighting the issue of the assumptions.

Good investigators don't make assumptions.

For example, the question of who checked into the Travel Lodge under his
name. The identification was uncertain:

Quote:
LEMON (voice over): The hotel manager's wife says her husband, Jay
(ph), was behind the desk when Steve arrive wearing sunglasses. Police
say they showed Jay (ph) of photo of Steven Kazmierczak.

RUPAL PATEL, MOTEL MANAGER'S WIFE: But he cannot recognize him.

LEMON: Why not?

PATEL: He's wearing the glasses and all of -


Or for example, the question of who bought the Glock magazines online
in his name. An online purchase can be easily faked.

Just careful consideration of automatic assumptions.

I noticed you ignored how Kathy's post detailed that those who actually
knew Steve, regarded him as a caring, empathetic person --the
exact opposite of the sociopathic profile of a cold mass killer.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evelyn, that was indeed a low blow. BFN = PP? In another life. I suppose I should have received the hint when you blatantly admitted that Sirhan killed RFK lol.....THAT is tinfoil. I honestly do not believe you took time out to listen to the audio concerning this topic. Incredible job Kathy in any event. I will keep my eyes peeled for any new developing info.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I noticed you ignored how Kathy's post detailed that those who actually
knew Steve, regarded him as a caring, empathetic person --the
exact opposite of the sociopathic profile of a cold mass killer.


Not ignoring it. There are other friends and people from his past who also state he was troubled, moody, odd, and even Baty says the last few weeks he was shorter on temper and distant.

Many mass murderers are described as "nice" guys, good neighbors, family men, people who never gave a clue they were capable of such carnage. And they often take their suppressed frustration out on the family or at the workplace, which was NIU for SK.

Witness identifications are often questionable and uncertain and variable.

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Or for example, the question of who bought the Glock magazines online
in his name. An online purchase can be easily faked.


Others have noted the Glock issue elsewhere.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is it required that I agree with administrators on everything all the time? Or is dissent allowed here?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PS
Is it required that I agree with administrators on everything all the time?
Or is dissent allowed here?

Dissenting views are fine. That's how we make progress.
People with oposing views are debating issues all over the forum.
There are even direct personal attack threads against me. And the
only criteria are that there must be some substance --not just
personal attack for it's own sake or simply to disrupt the forum

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See:
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=54472#54472


I have argued the case on Steve, if you disagree: fine.
But I've mostly challenged you stereotyping BFN as being
equivalent to the lowest form of tinfoil, and also challenged
you misrepresenting our position:

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evelyn:
Quote:
Questioning the truth of events is good
- but not when nearly every case
becomes nothing more than another
psy-op, another patsy, another set-up.

In the previous post you were painting us as alleging
Steve was some kind of mind control MKULTRA drone.

Now you say that "nearly every case becomes
nothing more than another psy-op"

That's an unfounded sweeping generalization.

BFN is not a Tinfoil Conspiracy website.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have noticed increasingly that in the writings of the "Columbine-client"-type shooter there an awareness of the NWO. I wonder if this an attempt to link the actions of the mass killer with conspiracy theory generally, so as to use this as evidence that people who believe in such things must be unstable mentally, and hence an excuse to deprive us of our weapons.


2-14-08
Northern Illinois University, Steven Kazmierczak, 27, 6 dead, 16 wounded
http://www.esquire.com/features/steven-kazmierczak-0808-4
--Kaz as conspiracy theorist, from an article in 'Esquire' magazine(July, '08): "And the control. The facade of two parties, masking the real power brokers. But Steve can see." ..... His friend Kevin "is well versed in all this stuff. Randy Weaver, 'The Turner Diaries,' Waco, Oklahoma. The federal government. There’s a new angle here. Before it was Bundy, Dahmer, Hitler, and he read about the occult and conspiracy on the side, but the two can be brought together." .... They talk about Firearm Owner’s ID cards. “It’s back to the days of the Hitler regime,” Steve says. “The government is trying to track us.” "



4-24-98
Andrew Wurst 14, Edinborough, PA, Parker Middle School(at off-campus school dance); 1 dead, 3 wounded
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10370&page=77
"Other people are programmed to act and say what the government, mad scientists, or a psycho wants them to say."


4-20-99
Eric Harris, 18 Columbine HS, suburban Denver, CO
pg89(JC-001-06008) of 950pg pdf download, available here
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/pdf/900columbinedocs.pdf
Harris writings from his journal
"...now, with the government having scandals and conspiracies all over the f***ing place and lying to everyone all the time..."


3-21-05
Jeff Weise, 18 Red Lake HS, MN 10 dead
http://web.archive.org/web/20050324072717/http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/weise.html
--Nov 4, 2004 23:39
"The Government sucks all the freedom from the people, those willing to lay down their lives for the reinstallation of stability and everything they've lost since their enslavement rise from silence. A sleeping giant is awaken. There are many events that could lead to the government sucking our freedom up. A terrorist attack occurs, the Bill of Rights and Constitution are suspended, martial law ensues. Civil unrest occurs as a result of the "every man for themselves" nation-wide order. The Government starts rounding up individuals they deem as a "threat" and hold them indefintely. Conflicts between militias and government hired-guns flare up as the people fear the US has plunged into a police state."


9-13-06
Kimveer Gill, 25, Montreal, Dawson College 4 dead, 13 wounded
quote from Kimveer's postings:
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/196688.php
"The governments of the world keep lying to the people of the world, and the people believe it. Come on folks, WAKE UP!! They're using fear tactics to keep you pacified, and all those who ask questions suddenly disappear. Am i the only one in the world who can see these things.
Guess I am :( ."

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=a8279d1a-e4a1-43ae-95eb-44281d49c7ef&p=3
"Once, said (his friend)Rajan, Kimveer showed him a three-hour film on the Internet called Rise of the Police State, a conspiracy theorist's look at the 9/11 terrorist attack on the U.S."


10-10-07
From the MySpace page(since deleted) of Dillon Cossey, 14, Plymouth Township(near Philadelphia)
[arrested for school shooting plot ]
(philly.com, also here
http://www.pdiblog.com/2007/10/dillonthekiller4.html )
--He formed a group, the "Imperial Cobra Army": the only post on the group's MySpace page is from the student, who wrote the group's cause is "to overthrow the corupt and evil governments of today and bring about a new world order of tommorow."


11-7-07
Pekka Eric Auvinen, Jokela HS, Tuusuula, Finland 9 dead
From web posting at http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopic.php?t=41424
"People just turn into ... damn robots who don't realize what's going on."

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bb4_1194559199
From his videotaped 'manifesto':
"no human should be a robot, whether you have that microchip or not"
"people will think they are free and don't realize they are
being enslaved. Majority of people in society are weak-minded and ignorant retards, masses that act like programmed robots and accept voluntarily slavery."


12-9-07
Matthew Murray, New Life Church, Colorado Springs, CO 5 dead, 5 wounded
pg215 of Colorado Springs PD docs(not available online)
"Murray told (a friend) that he had received death threats and began talking about his conspiracy theories....."
pg371 of CSPD docs
Two comments on a web board posted by Matt Murray's computer the morning of the shooting are titled "Arrival of Satan's Empire" and "New World Order Rising."
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan
BFN is not Jones Planet, but his readers tout the same view/oddities on SK. I will respectfully agree to disagree with BFN on this one.

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I have noticed increasingly that in the writings of the "Columbine-client"-type shooter there an awareness of the NWO. I wonder if this an attempt to link the actions of the mass killer with conspiracy theory generally, so as to use this as evidence that people who believe in such things must be unstable mentally, and hence an excuse to deprive us of our weapons.


Good point, although I don't believe we will be deprived of our weapons.

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