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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dawson quashed any hint that Lauren Burkís murder was related to the 2006 disappearance of AU graduate Lori Ann Slesinski. Other than the fact that the cars belonging to both women were found burned, he said there is nothing to indicate the cases are related. Slesinskiís case is a missing person investigation, and Burkís case is a homicide, he said.

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1 student killed in brawl outside high school

1 shot dead, 1 beaten in fight minutes after last bell at Crane Tech

They know the gang wars in this West Side neighbourhood often come to the doorstep, and even pass through the doors, of the school.

Still, on Friday, the violence roared right up the concrete steps of the school, where a gang-related melee left Ruben Ivy, 18, shot dead and a second student beaten with a golf club shortly after classes let out for the day.

Witnesses described dozens of students involved in the incident. Police said Friday evening they knew who the shooter was, based on interviews with witnesses and video surveillance, and were looking for him.

Just what sparked the violence wasn't clear Friday night. Some students said there had been a fight at the school earlier in the day; others said it was part of ongoing gang feuds. Police also said there was talk about the fight being over a hat, but family members and friends disputed that.

What was clear was a decades-old battle in the school and in the neighbourhood to stave off gang violence did not prevent the taking of another student's life. Ivy's death marks the 18th Chicago Public Schools student killed since school started in September.
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Robbery Suspect Charged in Student Death

A man arrested after a car and foot chase by police who suspected him in a string of robberies was charged with capital murder in the abduction and shooting death of an Auburn University student, police said Saturday.

Courtney Lockhart was arrested Friday in Phenix City, about 30 miles from the campus where 18-year-old Lauren Burk was a freshman. She was found shot on the side of an off-campus road Tuesday night and her car was found burning in a campus parking lot.

Lockhart tried to flee Phenix City police after being pulled over Friday, Auburn Assistant Police Chief Thomas Dawson said.

"His car matched the description of a vehicle in a string of robberies," Dawson said. When an officer approached the car at the traffic stop, Lockhart drove off, Dawson said.

In a short pursuit, Lockhart's car broke down and he was captured by officers while trying to flee on foot, Dawson said.

Lockhart, 23, was charged with three capital counts accusing him of murder along with kidnapping, robbery and attempted rape, Dawson said.

He wouldn't say what led police to charge Lockhart in the student's killing or divulge evidence linking Lockhart to that crime.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Public summary releases basic facts of deaths,
shooter’s toxicology report


Friday, NIU released a summary of the autopsy of Steven Kazmierczak,
the Cole Hall shooter, and the victims, stating Kazmierczak had minute
traces of drugs in his system.

In a public summary released Friday, the NIU Department of Public Safety
released DeKalb County Coroner Dennis Miller’s findings in Kazmierczak’s

The release stated Kazmierczak died of a contact-range gunshot wound to
the mouth, which caused fractures of the skull and laceration of the

Toxicology reports found less than 0.5 micrograms of nicotine, less than
0.025 micrograms of Alprazolam – an anti-anxiety medication often
prescribed as an anti-depressant – and traces of a cold medication,

According to drug information posted on www.walgreens.com, patients
using Alprazolam should not smoke while using this medication. Cigarette
smoking may decrease blood concentrations of the drug up to 50 percent,
according to a Mylan Pharmaceuticals fact sheet.

However, the connection between the drug and cigarette smoking may not
have been a factor in Kazmierczak’s actions Feb. 14.

“The amount of [Alprazolam] in his system was too low to make any
difference,” said Byron pharmacist Ron Calvert. Calvert said doses of the
extended-release medication typically vary from 0.25 milligrams to a
maximum of 10 milligrams per day.

The five victims died from single or multiple gunshot wounds. The deaths
of Catalina Garcia, Ryanne Mace, Daniel Parmenter, Julianna Gehant and
Kazmierczak were confirmed by the DeKalb County Coroner.

Gayle Dubowski died at OSF Saint Anthony Medical Center in Rockford,
according to Winnebago County Coroner Elizabeth “Sue” Fiduccia.


Tests Show Campus Gunman Had Stopped His Medicines

Published: March 15, 2008

CHICAGO — Toxicology results released on Friday for the gunman who
killed five students and himself at Northern Illinois University in February
appear to confirm that he had stopped taking his medications before the
shooting and was not using illegal drugs or alcohol.

The results, released by university officials, show that the gunman, Steven
P. Kazmierczak, had “minute amounts” of the anti-anxiety drug
alprazolam, also known as Xanax, along with nicotine and traces of cold

“The combination isn’t particularly unusual,” said William A. Scheftner,
chairman of psychiatry at the Rush University Medical Center here.

The tests fail to answer questions about why a Northern Illinois graduate
who was well liked by his professors would open fire in a lecture hall on
the campus in DeKalb. Mr. Kazmierczak’s behavior would have made more
sense, Dr. Scheftner said, if he were using drugs like cocaine.

Mr. Kazmierczak’s girlfriend, Jessica Baty, told CNN that he had been
taking Prozac, Xanax and a sleeping aid under a psychiatrist’s care.

Mr. Kazmierczak killed himself with a gunshot to the mouth, and the five
victims died of single or multiple gunshot wounds, according to the DeKalb
County results and the Winnebago County coroner, who performed an
autopsy on one victim.

University officials released limited information from the autopsy and
toxicology tests, saying neither the police nor the DeKalb coroner would be
available for comment.


Autopsy: Gunman took antidepressant

DeKALB – An autopsy on the body of the man who shot five people at
Northern Illinois University in February revealed a prescription drug,
nicotine and cold medicine in his system but brought authorities little closer
to understanding what drove him to rampage.

According to the DeKalb County Coroner’s Office, Steven Kazmierczak,
27, had trace amounts of the anti-anxiety drug alprazolam, frequently sold
under the name Xanax, in his system at the time of the shooting.

On Feb. 14, Kazmierczak walked onto a stage in a lecture hall in Cole Hall
and opened fire on students in a class. He killed five students, injured 16
others, and then turned the gun on himself.

Doctors from the Ben Gordon Center, which provides services to those
with substance abuse and mental-health issues, and Kishwaukee
Community Hospital in DeKalb did not immediately return phone calls
Friday seeking comment about possible side effects of alprazolam.

A December 2002 review written by the American Psychiatric Association
reported that alprazolam was found to cause “impulsive and assaultive
behaviors” in patients diagnosed with borderline personality disorder.

Information about Kazmierczak’s mental-health history has not been
released because of medical privacy laws. Authorities have said
Kazmierczak, who was a student at the University of Illinois at
Urbana-Champaign at the time of his death, had stopped taking
antidepressants several weeks before the attack.

Autopsies found that the four victims who died in DeKalb County –
Catalina Garcia, Julianna Gehant, Ryanne Mace and Daniel Parmenter –
died of either single or multiple gunshot wounds, according to the county
coroner’s office.

The fifth victim, Gayle Dubowski, died at a hospital in Winnebago County.

NIU Police Chief Donald Grady did not offer any specifics on how results of
the autopsy and toxicology reports might affect the investigation, and NIU
spokeswoman Melanie Magara was unavailable for comment Friday.


How come the University were the ones to release
the autopsy results and not the police or the coroner?

Where is the Police report? It was promised within 2 weeks
of the incident, it is now just over a month later
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Thanks for the update. I don't know why it was the university decided to release the info--one would think the local law would be in a better position to do the investigation. I have noticed in these shootings that there seems to be less and less information being released. The commission that investigated the VTech killings did not even bother interviewing eyewitnesses, for example. Most probably because they know the official story would not add up the more details are released. Anyway I suspect the final conclusion will be on the lines offered up in the Trolley Square shooting:

2-12-07 Suleiman Talovic, 18, SLC Trolley Square massacre, Salt Lake City, UT 5 dead, 4 wounded
"Salt Lake City police have finished their exhaustive investigation into the shooting rampage at Trolley Square, finding no real motive for 18-year-old Sulejman Talovic's killing spree. "I think it may have died with him," Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank said in an interview with the Deseret Morning News."

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's almost two months since the NIU police promised in two
weeks a report on the campus shooting there. Still no sign.

Meanwhile a settlement deal between Virginia Tech families and the State,
promises to reveal more details behind the shooting, as part of the deal:

Va. Tech Families Tentatively Back Deal
Attack Settlement Yet to Be Signed

By Anita Kumar and Brigid Schulte Washington Post - Friday, April 11, 2008; Page A01

RICHMOND, April 10 -- Most families of the Virginia Tech massacre victims have agreed in principle to accept an $11 million settlement in exchange for agreeing not to sue the state.

The families' decision to agree to a taxpayer-financed package of compensation, health benefits and other assistance came less than a week before the one-year anniversary of the shooting by senior Seung Hui Cho, who killed 32 students and teachers and then himself. State officials and the families had hoped to reach an agreement soon on a settlement to help put the case behind them and avoid a long, emotional court case.

But the state still could be vulnerable to lawsuits, lawyers and families said. Gov. Timothy M. Kaine (D) said that "a substantial majority" of the families of the dead and 27 wounded agreed to the terms of the settlement. Others are undecided and considering their options.

Disclosure of the settlement offer was the latest development in a year-long attempt to compensate the families and relatives of the worst massacre on a college campus in U.S. history. In the fall, the families of the dead and wounded received one-time payments from the separate Hokie Spirit Memorial Fund created from private donations that poured in after the shooting.

"It will hopefully bring some closure to those who lost a loved one and those injured, especially at this time of year where memories of what happened might be more prevalent for them," said Derek O'Dell, 20, of Roanoke, who was wounded in the attack and agreed to the settlement.

Kaine and the Washington law firm of Bode and Grenier, which said it represented 21 families, declined to release details of the settlement, which still must be signed by the families. But several people involved in the negotiations confirmed that the families of those killed would receive $100,000 and the wounded students and teachers would receive as much as $100,000, depending on the severity of their injuries.

"The victims and victims' families, their counsel, Virginia Tech and officials of the commonwealth have worked with serious commitment and diligence toward a reasonable resolution and response to the legitimate needs, interests and concerns arising out of that horrific event," Kaine said.

Forty families filed a notice of claims against the state after the massacre; others have until Wednesday to consider filing. The state is self-insured, which means any settlement will be paid with taxpayer money. Attorney General Robert F. McDonnell ( R ), whose office helped negotiate the settlement, declined to comment.

"I'm glad that they've made a lot of progress resolving these cases," said Sen. John S. Edwards (D-Roanoke), whose district includes Virginia Tech and who was briefed on the negotiations this week. "These settlements in no way take away the pain and suffering of the families, but it's a first step toward healing."

Under the settlement, Virginia would create several funds to cover such expenses as medical care and contributions to charities. Families would have an opportunity to meet with Kaine and officials from the university and the Virginia State Police to receive an update on the investigation into the rampage. The state would also pay attorneys' fees.

"The settlement will also result in the release of previously undisclosed facts and information turned up by our firm's investigation that will enable the public to better understand the events which caused this senseless tragedy and why this settlement with Virginia has been reached," lawyers Peter Grenier and Douglas Fierberg of Bode and Grenier said in a statement.

O'Dell's father, Roger, estimated that "two to six" families of those involved did not agree to the settlement. But other lawyers and families said Thursday that they need to see the details first.

"Until we see the details, we withhold statement," said Joseph Samaha of Fairfax County, whose daughter Reema was killed.

A number of the families did not retain lawyers or plan to pursue litigation against the state.

"The priority for me was not to sue, but to find out what went wrong," said Andy Goddard of Richmond, whose son, Colin, was shot four times and survived. "The most important thing was determining exactly what went wrong, not necessarily who -- I'm not interested in seeing a line of heads on spikes.

"We don't need to add any more victims to this tragedy. But we need to find out exactly what went wrong, learn from it, so that it never happens again."

Goddard said he knew nothing about the settlement and is waiting for his copy of the draft. "As far as I'm concerned, until each of us sign off on it, the settlement is still open," he said. "Negotiations are still underway."

Contracts have not been completed. But most families have said they intend to sign the documents, the governor's office said. Other families said they are undecided.

Lori Haas of Richmond, whose daughter Emily made an emergency call on the day of the attack, said she could not comment on the settlement because it is confidential. Haas was not represented by a lawyer and described the settlement as a draft agreement in principle. "Nothing has been signed," she said.

Mildred Granata of Toledo, whose son Kevin was killed, said his widow hasn't reached a decision.

"When you have a child that is shot down, even when that child is a grown man, it is something you never get over," Mildred Granata wrote in a claim filed last week. "We will never again have our complete family together. . . . If we sound bitter, we are. The Virginia Tech administration had plenty of time to cancel classes and close its doors that day after the first shooting. But they did not."

Del. David A. Nutter (R-Montgomery), who represents the Blacksburg area, said many residents have complained to him that the state would be using taxpayer money to pay victims for the shooting. But he said he supports the settlement, which will probably keep the state's costs down and provide closure.

"This is not the kind of thing you want to go on and on," he said.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heads up Fintan (& Kathy, sorry lol) on the NIU shooting, of course they're pushing Steve like Oswald still, not to mention it IS CNN....


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks dude.

Kathy, who's done most of the work on the Kazmierczak case,
is still very much on this story. But this latest CNN smear job
looks like a story designed to bury any questions.

Check this out:

NIU Police Chief Donald Grady said..... "It's the same story.
Nothing has changed
in that regard. We haven't found anything
that would dispel any of that. So it is absolutely the same right now."

Grady said the investigation was ongoing but not a priority
because there was no one involved but Kazmierczak.

Now.... the type of 'follow-up' story CNN just did (two stories actually)
usually is written when there is some development of significance
in a case. Like the release of the promised police report on all this.

But there is no report to release.

The only reason for this new story is this:

The NIU Police Department has repeatedly refused CNN's requests
to release any files related to the investigation, since it is still under way.
But CNN was given exclusive access to some of the approximately
1,500 pages of police reports, psychiatric records and family
documents by [David] Vann, who said he obtained the files from
a law enforcement source.

Cute, eh?

NIU police won't give CNN anything, but a law enforcement source leaks
the whole police file to writer David Vann --who last year wrote an Esquire
story and a book --based substantially on that police material.

Now it's Valentine's day again (a year later)
Vann shows his stuff to CNN.
And hey presto, CNN now has a follow-up story.

Which goes like this:

"Hey remember that guy who wrote in Esquire about Kazmierczak?"

"What he said."

Here's CNN's other story

Do You Think You Could Spot a Killer?

And guess what happens next?


- CNN have revisited the story for a wrap-up.
- The NIU police will not release the report.
- Until they do there is no basis for more stories.

They just buried the Kazmierczak case.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My pleasure. Very interesting way they've decided to bury it. Sigh.....I don't know why I expect any different of a turnout honestly.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure I'm reading this right. Are you guys saying Kazmierczak is innocent?

Sometimes I wonder if declaring NIU, and similar events, as a psyop, is a psyop. Rather than look at what Americans do to one another - blame some unseen "them," with powers and control capabilities beyond our imagination - able to trigger decent human beings into evil-doers; seemingly by a phone call, perhaps uttering the words queen of hearts! Ta da! Instant assassin.

Could you or I or the guy next door be a victim of such controlled patsy-ism?

Rather than blame absent/abusive parents or emotionally incompetent parenting, or societal glorification of any and all copycat perversions, and/or dumbing folks down to admire self-indulgent infantile adults as role models

- instead -

lets blame drugs and psyop mind control manipulation - hence, it ain't your fault that you're just one big self-mutilating id, fantasizing in the gutter of human nature, wallowing and wandering in your own mucked up mind. "They" made you do it; no one is to blame, it is "they" and "them" controlling you. It's something ultra, new and improved.

Dahmer was also quiet, intelligent, held a job and apartment, etc. Bundy, nice guy, active in the Methodist church and the BSA, good student, shy in high school, and in college an honors student, well liked by his professors, earning a degree in psychology.

"They" can turn a nice guy into Mr. Hyde - where are all the Mizz Hydes? I thought "they" were equal opportunity ... Personally I think Kazmierczak fits the profile of a mass murderer - but! maybe "they" are making me think that.

Oh lordy, the phone is ringing, I think it is them ... hello ... Natasha (code name) ... yes ... hello ... hello ... change rooms now, clear out the dining room and demand grampa lambada ... make his back hurt ... okay.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all due respect, did you listen to the audio regarding this incident from BFN? All of those oddities seem coincidental to you (or the columbine audio)? If you could at least satisfy my curiosity about his missing HDD (among other things lol), then ok...no more 'psyop' lol.
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- blame some unseen "them," with powers and control capabilities
beyond our imagination - able to trigger decent human beings into
evil-doers; seemingly by a phone call, perhaps uttering the words
queen of hearts! Ta da! Instant assassin.

Dunno where you are getting this from? This is tinfoil bullshit!?

We don't do tinfoil bullshit here on BFN. We NEVER said anything
like that about Steve Kazmierczak. Maybe you been reading too many
fruitloop conspiracy sites.

Over many weeks we put hundreds of hours of investigation into this
case, which is still open. We are aware of detail and inconsistencies that
have never made it into public domain.

We have serious questions about the Kazmierczak case.

- The falsity of the claim that drug withdrawal impelled him.
- A simple explanation for his infamous bizarre tattoos.
- The strange phone call he got, and a mystery woman.
- Kazmierczak's highly rational online Amazon Reviews.
- A dirty tricks campaign to depict him as a terrorist.
- The unusual background of top NIU Cop Donald Grady.
- The counter-terrorism operation on the NIU campus.

We have grave concerns about NIU Police Chief Donald Grady, who
worked with NATO in Eastern Europe and with the U.S. in Iraq. He
promised a speedy investigation and report on the case, and he
now seems to have little interest in ever making a public report.

We also have grave concerns that there was a counter-terrorism unit
active on NIU campus --prior to the Kazmierczak case, and we believe
Steve may have had unknowing contact with a member of that unit.

There are many other questions we covered in the audio, and all are
based on detailed research. Most school shootings are as they seem,
but that doesn't rule out some being Black-Ops.

Before getting carried away with the idea that there is no such thing
as deliberate psyopping of the public, consider the case of of the
beheading of Nick Berg and the subsequent viral viedo. That was
clearly a black-op of sickening intent and execution.

Skeptical is good. But not if it becomes a situation
where the only essential truth is your own cynicism.

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They only function when open.

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