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Fintan
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol - the caller starts
by saying to Alan Watt:

"Hey Alex. Boy it's great to talk to you."
"I'm a video game developer from California"

ROTFLMAO!! Saves me the bother of saying anything. Laughing Laughing

Except maybe:
"Tune in later, we'll have a video game developer from California." "Honest!"
A Little Later: "Hi..." "I'm a video game developer from California"

Suuuuure.

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Peter: Would they waste an MK-Ultra (Manchurian candidate)
type on this sort of an operation?

Our research shows Kazmierczak wasn't a Manchurian Candidate.
They didn't waste one.

They just "wasted" a convenient scapegoat who could be made to fit
a profile because he had juvenile mental problems and tatoos and
then sealed his fate by coming off meds. Instant probable cause.

Kapow!

Outside of those issues, he was no loner. He was not isolated.
He had many friends. He was in a relationship. He had helped out
many fellow students. He was a hands on participant in academic life.
He was realizing ambitions. He was aiming for a law degree.

A do-er not a solo nutcase.

Steve Kazmierczak had ben through some shit in his life, but he
was where he was through hard work and commitment.

He's dead now. As are five other innocent students.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

audioman34 wrote:
Fintan says "Bingo! And that's a pretty important lesson for the more occasional browsers
of this site and forum. The ranting Fake internet opposition to the
Powers-That-Be, constantly harp on about CONTELPRO, PsyOps etc..
But they won't touch this.... unless our coverage forces them... "


I think this is the understatement of the year.

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Confused ???? So you guys think that's just phony balogna then?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's play the three-letter acronym game:

RBN and GCN are CIA and FBI and NSA and KGB and MI5

Fake callers. Fake agenda.

"All the anti-NWO Hot Air, you could dream of"
None of the dangerous detail you don't already know.

Especially about current Operations.
Which the NIU Shooting IS.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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they wouldn’t say where he shot himself or how many times.

WHY THE FUCK NOT??!!!!! How complicated is that? "One gunshot wound to the left temple." Maybe even "one non-fatal shot to X, and then one fatal gunshot wound to Y."

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RBN and GCN are CIA and FBI and NSA and KGB and MI5

Fake callers. Fake agenda.

I'm sure there are enough "real" callers, like some of the people on this forum, like Masonic and others, but definitely a fake agenda.

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However, O'Reilly immediately begins to frame this 'battle' in terms of secular-progressives (or SP's, O'Reilly abbreviates them since he uses the term probably more than 100 times in this book) versus traditionalists.


I have to THANK YOU, Fintan, for doing all the heavy lifting on this. I was out to lunch. Or maybe just out.

Anyhow, I really liked Steve's review of O'Reilly's book, such a nuanced slam! Witty. A "Happy Holidays" gag gift from a friend, and he read it anyhow. He slams Bill for writing style, in a sense, but points out how keen it is that Bill is so successful with this style, the fact that he's highly intelligent and educated, but writes like a weak undergrad.

Of course it's probably just a coincidence that SP (secular-progressive) -- O'Reilly's all-bad enemies -- has a similar designation to SP (suppressive person) -- Scientology's all-bad enemies.

I think we have a lack of information insofar as knowing that Steve's body was simply dumped there to cover for a govt massacre-psyop, but it certainly makes a LOT of sense in context of everything else we know, including the show you did on Columbine, where some 25 witnesses said that there were FOUR if not FIVE shooters.

What's next? People who laughed at Pulp Fiction?

No. It's 9-11 Conspiracy Theorists Go Wild. I wonder if there's a body out in my garage right now.

No, seriously, I was listening to some shit (actually it was another order show on Unwelcome Guests dealing a lot of socio-economic-political reality about pressured conformity and the weeding-out process) and I got a little overwhelmed that day and was feeling kinda sad and blue. (I almost said "depressed" but that word is a psyop in a way too, a clinical medical description of totally rational sorrow and a sense of collective guilt, which leaves the person seeking a medical solution to an abnormal state, instead of being aware of their own very human thoughts and feelings and concerns.)

Then I remembered: that's how the psychological warfare is supposed to work. It's meant to crush hope and destroy the drive to do battle (at this point, battle in the public arena with truth and facts and reasonable, rational speculation, and correcting re-writes of history and myths which serve the ruling classes). That's how psyops always works, particularly in military operations where you can read about it, OODA and such. That's what ANNOUNCING Shock and Awe was intended to do, cause demoralization and loss of hope, leading to quick surrender. (combined with the justification that quick surrenders are less bloody to the victims)

One more tidbit: The talk I posted on another thread by Michael Parenti, after discussing the parasitic aspects of the Roman Empire, and it's war on the lower classes, he talks briefly with Lynn Geary about assassinations and the term "conspiracy theories".

http://www.radio4all.net/index.php?op=program-info&program_id=8864
Unwelcome Guests: #196 - Deja Vu All Over Again
Reclaimng Histories of Resistance
Michael Parenti ,Stan Goff, Disciplined Minds

He noted how all these "lone nuts" always have extensive incriminating diaries, while he has never known anyone who kept a diary. Why are crazy assassins and serial killers always so committed to their daily writing of their thoughts? Like Sirhan-Sirhan, for one.

In the case of Steve Kazmierczak, he did NOT have a written diary, and the diary he MIGHT have had --- his hard drive --- is "missing". Why would he have a Laptop with no hard drive? It doesn't work without one. And I'm still fascinated with him getting a room at one hotel, and checking out 15 min later to go to another hotel. He was either being ordered to by someone, or being chased, hiding out, on the run.

Yet his LIFE -- his tattoos -- movies -- video games -- prozac -- represents his diary.

I dont know what to make about all the other extraneous facts about Steve and places where his name pops up, a law firm, an officer at OK City. That stuff may be related or coincidence.

One thing that comes to mind is when Mohammed Atta's father -- interviewed for no less than Newsweek -- said his son was killed by Mossad. Though the article briefly puts it down to a bereaved father who cannot face reality, the STORY contradicts that, tremendously. According to this, he was not only not some womanizer, but too shy to even touch a woman's hand. He was so timid his father had to arrange a bride for him, a shy Egyptian wallflower girl.

In this story, we have not a diary but a Last Will which is obviously bogus, to people who have Arab language skills and a knowledge of Islam. And we have that Last Will packed inside the luggage that would have been incinerated in the inferno. Maybe Atta liked Cannibal Holocaust and Pizza too.


Is Mr. Atta Sr. telling the truth? Or is Daniel Hopsicker?? Or was Hopsicker fooled by an Atta stunt double??


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I thought there was something odd about his girlfriend too. It looked like she was trying not to grin too much in the CNN interview, yet sometimes people in trauma do that. I had an embarrassing moment once, totally inappropriate grinning while putting my elderly dog down. It was just so WEIRD when the vet gave her a shot and it was over so suddenly, that I had to turn my face. It was sad, I continued to "see" her in the driveway for weeks when I came home, but at that moment I was freaking grinning.

Maybe his girlfriend's grinning had something to do with the juxtaposition of Cannibal Holocaust with what just (she thinks) happened.
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If I didn't already know that Alan Watts was a total moron-fake, the JFK "Speech that sealed his fate" I commented on another thread was total bullshit.

In_fo? Are you listening? Total bullshit.

Brief recap, Watts pretends that JFK is bashing "secret societies" and is championing freedom and transparency, but it's really the opposite. JFK is bashing SOVIET secrecy, and comparing that to alleged AMERICAN openness and transparency, which was bullshit back then anyhow, and JFK is using that comparison as a wedge to "ASK" the media to dutifully self-censor any unwelcome criticisms for the sake of "national security" which we all know very well (or should know) that "national security" means "to benefit the National Security State", i.e. the ruling class, Wall Street investors and bankers, and the Executive Branch leaders (Pres, VP, State, Defense), House and Senate Intell, various Econ and Spending, plus outright Intelligence Agencies plus Joint Chiefs.

So Watts' ENTIRE CONSPIRACY EXPLANATION ABOUT THIS -- that "secret societies" killed JFK becz he threatened them -- IS COMPLETELY BOGUS and NON-SEQUITUR. If something so basic as that is bogus, you can safely assume that everything else he says is too.

Why does Alan Watts have to be related to every thread? Stan Goff and Parenti don't feature on every thread I do, but at least they are serious writers/speakers dealing in the material world and some real-world experience.

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http://www.radio4all.net/index.php?op=program-info&program_id=8413
Unwelcome Guests: #187 - Seeing What's Rendered Invisible
breaking out of the ideological cattle chute
Stan Goff, Disciplined Minds

For anyone who does not know, Stan Goff explains how the military and how global capitalism works, how it is unsustainable (beyond just energy), and how Embassies work, and how their "in country" meeting agenda is set by the Econ Desk (which deals with the Chamber of Commerce), not the Political Desk (CIA), or other desks.
Confirming that it's "all about the money".

He also talks about his struggles around his point of view that the insurgency MUST win and bring defeat to the Empire, in order to save ALL of humanity, while at the same time his son joined the Army for college money and was serving in Iraq at this very time.

I don't remember why I put this here. Maybe to re-crystallize what all these psywar tactics are about -- control, and ultimately subservience and wealth.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to worry about the dog thingie, when you suppress the strongest emotion (grief and sorrow and sadness which would result in tears etc which, as we were taught by our fathers must not be allowed) the next in line steps up. Being glad to see the suffering end results in the grin of happiness. Perhaps a bit unnerving but sane nonetheless.

Man's inhumanity to man is all part of the plan. We just have to learn how to be adroit and subtle enough to undo their machinations without their recognizing it. You use the cape and you don't take the bull by the horns while it is still fresh and pissed off, right?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter wrote:
We just have to learn how to be adroit and subtle enough to undo their machinations without their recognizing it. You use the cape and you don't take the bull by the horns while it is still fresh and pissed off, right?


Good!
Expand?

I tried to have a conversation on YouTube on relative socialism, economic democracy.
I got this response:
The problem is all socialist economies adventually turn communist and communism doesn't work.

If you support socialism FUCK OFF.


to this Intelligent response, I replied:
Re: socialized society
The REAL problem is, that democracies lead to socialism and communism. Democracy doesn't work because then ordinary ignorant people like us want a say in how things are to be run, The REAL problem is, that democracies lead to socialism and communism. Democracy doesn't work because then ordinary ignorant people like us want a say in how things are to be run, including economic issues and taxes.

What we really need is an oligarchic militarized police state where tiny elite of very wealthy funds managers and bankers dictates everything that happens, hashes out the details amongst themselves, and everyone else keeps quiet ... or else is killed. Like that friggin JFK with all his talk about democracy and the future. Givin' ordinary people ideas.

An oligarchy system would definitely maintain/restore order and get rid of any risks of socialism. Wink


Maybe this is an example of the cape. Probably it will just piss off this bull though.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:46 pm    Post subject: trenchcoaters o' fame Reply with quote

Peter wrote:
Would they waste an MK-Ultra (Manchurian candidate) type on this sort of an operation?

Yeah they would, because they're cheap:


5-26-94
Clay Shrout, 17, murdered his parents and two sisters,
He wore all black every day with combat boots and black trenchcoat.

2-2-96
Barry Loukaitis, 14. Frontier Jr. High School, Moses Lake, Washington. Dressed in all black, trenchcoat, 3 dead, 1 wounded.

11-25-96
Black trenchcoat wearing Rod Ferrell, 18, and others are arrested for beating to death a Florida couple.

2-20-98
"Kentucky Occult Teen Killers" six black trenchcoat- wearing young people plead guilty to killing a couple and their daughter.

4-20-99
Killings at Columbine High School planned and executed by the black trenchcoat-wearing 'Trenchcoat Mafia'

2-05-01
3 teens arrested for planned attack on their high school in Hoyt, Kansas. Each possessed a black trenchcoat.

October, 2001
Five teens from New Bedford, Massachusetts are arrested for planning an attack on New Bedford High School. They wore long black trenchcoats.

12-8-01
Four young people are arrested in Loudown County, Virginia for the stabbing/slashing death of one of their fathers. "The suspects favored all-black outfits, long black (trench)coats."

10-26-02
Daniel Hawke Fears, 18, Sallisaw, Okla. (2 dead, 7 wounded) He went on a 20-mile shooting spree, apparently targeting people at random. "He... always wore a black trench coat."

2-17-03
Oakton, Virginia 19-year-old Josh Cooke mowed down his parents in the basement of their home with a shotgun. Cooke wore a black trench coat ....

6-29-03
Joseph Hunter Parker, 30, killed two people with a samurai sword at an Albertson's supermarket in Irvine, California(Orange County). He was wearing a black trenchcoat and green beret when he was shot to death by police minutes later.

7-7-03
Oaklyn Public School, Camden, NJ
Matthew Lovett, 18, and two boys, ages 15 and 14; wearing black trenchcoats, arrested after they attempted to carjack vehicle; on their way to attack school with numerous weapons.

3-16-04
Josh Magee, Malcolm High School, Malcolm, Nebraska
Arrested after pipe bombs and a rifle were found in his car outside school as he contemlated attacking: "Magee was dressed in camouflaged pants and a black trench coat...."

3-21-05
Jeff Weise, 17, wearing black trenchcoat, shoots seven at Red Lake HS, MN.

10-19-05
Lafayette, CA Goth killer Scott Dyleski, 18. Convicted of murdering his neighbor, the wife of noted "CourtTV" commentator Daniel Horowitz. Wore a black trenchcoat.

11-20-05
Tacoma, WA Mall Shooter Dominick Sergio Maldonado, 20, of Tacoma, 6 wounded(1 critical)
Wearing long black trenchcoat when he began his rampage.

2-1-06
Black trenchcoat-wearing Jacob D. Robida, 18, New Bedford, Massachusetts gay bar slasher/shooter.

3-20-06
Kyle Huff, 28, Seattle rave slayer, 7 dead, owned a black trenchcoat, attacked a party of goth ravers.

5-11-06
Hans Van Themsche, 18, wearing a black trenchcoat, shot 3 people on an Antwerp street.

8-30-06
Alvaro Rafael Castillo, 19, Orange High School, Hillsborough NC 1 lightly wounded, suspect's dad dead at home. Wore a black trenchcoat in the attack.

9-13-06
Kimveer Gill, 25, Dawson Junior College, Montreal, Cananda 3 dead, 18 wounded. Wore a black trenchcoat in the attack.

10-9-06
Memorial Middle School, Joplin, MO Thomas White, 13, fired a round from an assualt rifle after walking into his school wearing a long, dark green trenchcoat.

11-20-06
ex-student Sebastain Bosse, 18, Geschwister Scholl School, Emdetten, Germany (1 dead, 5 wounded) Wore a black trenchcoat in the attack.

1-19-07
John "Jack" Odgren, 16, Lincoln-Sudbury Regional High School, Framingham/Sudbury, Massachusetts
Stabbed a 15year old boy to death in the school bathroom. "Two juniors yesterday said the student now accused of the killing often wore a trench coat to school."

2-12-07
Sulejman Talovic, 18 SLC, Utah, Trolley Square massacre shooter. Used a shotgun to kill six and wound four more. Wore a dark trenchcoat during the attack.

10-10-07
Asa Coon, 14, Success Tech HS, Cleveland, OH 1 dead, 4 wounded
A goth, he often wore trenchcoat to school.

12-9-07
Matthew Murray, 18, kills 4, injures many others in two locations. Was wearing a black trenchcoat at the New Life Church attack in Colorado Springs, according to some media accounts.



It should be noted that just about none of these attacks mentioned above had any kind of believable motive.



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Notice how they are no longer mentioning the black trenchcoat that the attacker was initially reported to have been wearing, according to some accounts. Also, Kaz was supposedly getting into that 'white power' stuff and the satanism back in high school; his sophomore class pic had him wearing an all black t-shirt(see Fintan's links above). It would not surprise me if Kaz was a trenchcoater before trenchcoaters were cool!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
Our research shows Kazmierczak wasn't a Manchurian Candidate.
They didn't waste one.

They just "wasted" a convenient scapegoat who could be made to fit
a profile because he had juvenile mental problems and tatoos and
then sealed his fate by coming off meds. Instant probable cause.


I'm open to this scenario, as I am to most of your analyses, but ... seriously ... EVIDENCE please!

"Our research shows" ... WHAT RESEARCH?! Did I miss something in the previous thread pages?

Are there eyewitnesses to another shooter? Like in the Virginia Tech and Columbine cases?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elfis wrote:
Fintan wrote:
Our research shows Kazmierczak wasn't a Manchurian Candidate.
They didn't waste one.

They just "wasted" a convenient scapegoat who could be made to fit
a profile because he had juvenile mental problems and tatoos and
then sealed his fate by coming off meds. Instant probable cause.


I'm open to this scenario, as I am to most of your analyses, but ... seriously ... EVIDENCE please!

"Our research shows" ... WHAT RESEARCH?! Did I miss something in the previous thread pages?

Are there eyewitnesses to another shooter? Like in the Virginia Tech and Columbine cases?


Yes. While most eyewitnesses told of a man with a ski mask and a black trench coat emerge from behind a curtain, Eyewitness George Gainer saw a man wearing completely different clothes come out from a different area.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Carpainter wrote:
elfis wrote:
"Our research shows" ... WHAT RESEARCH?! Did I miss something in the previous thread pages?

Are there eyewitnesses to another shooter? Like in the Virginia Tech and Columbine cases?


Yes. While most eyewitnesses told of a man with a ski mask and a black trench coat emerge from behind a curtain, Eyewitness George Gainer saw a man wearing completely different clothes come out from a different area.


Thanks LC. I recall a slight mention somewhere of this, but a citation would be helpful.

Also, I notice that Fintan just emailed an update featuring audio. I look forward to hearing it shortly.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are there eyewitnesses to another shooter?

Are there eyewitnesses who say that the shooter resembled the photos of Kaz published in the media afterwards?

Are there eyewitnesses who saw Kaz shoot himself?

Have the police explained how Kaz was able to enter the hall through an emergency exit door(presumably locked from the outside)?

No, no, and no!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elfis wrote:
Lord Carpainter wrote:
elfis wrote:
"Our research shows" ... WHAT RESEARCH?! Did I miss something in the previous thread pages?

Are there eyewitnesses to another shooter? Like in the Virginia Tech and Columbine cases?


Yes. While most eyewitnesses told of a man with a ski mask and a black trench coat emerge from behind a curtain, Eyewitness George Gainer saw a man wearing completely different clothes come out from a different area.


Thanks LC. I recall a slight mention somewhere of this, but a citation would be helpful.

Also, I notice that Fintan just emailed an update featuring audio. I look forward to hearing it shortly.

SMiles


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George Gainer, a 23 year old student in the classroom at the time appeared on ABC 7 News in Chicago and said the shooter entered through a service door and just started shooting without saying a word. Gainer described the shooter as a skinny white guy wearing jeans and a gray teeshirt which is a bit different than other descriptions I had heard. He said the shooter had a white knit cap without a ski mask as had been reported by others.
http://www.webloggin.com/massive-shooting-...ois-university/
http://www.webloggin.com/niu-gunman-identi...oss-the-nation/
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs...5/NEWS/80215023
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