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more about Scientology mechanisms:
EDIT: LET ME EMPHASIZE HERE THAT THESE ELEMENTS THAT MAKE UP TRANFERENCE ARE LARGELY INVISIBLE TO THE INDUCTEE. I DISCUSS "CONSUMERS" AND "CHOICE" BELOW. ANY SYSTEMS WHICH PROFESS FREE CHOICE TO CONSUMERS, BUT WHERE CHOICE IS EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATED BY INVISIBLE MEANS OF DECEPTION AND CONTROL, CAN NO LONGER BE SAID TO REPRESENT FREE CHOICE.
Hubbard completely redefined transference as the patient taking on the identity of the practitioner. This was not a one-time error; Hubbard repeated his new definition for transference in the Saint Hill ® Special Briefing Course Lecture numbered SH Spec 6507C27 56, as well as in Certainty Vol. 9 No. 7.57 Hubbard hid his crime in broad daylight; to this day, glossaries in tape transcripts and newer versions of basic books provide the correct definition of transference. Hubbard knew he could not resolve the subject of transference—his entire empire was built around it!
In every Scientologist he maliciously created a monumental negative transference against psychotherapy and psychoanalysis so that they would never turn to a psychiatric text for any authority on the human mind. And his research continued in the direction of how to abuse transference by obscuring its effects. I will point out a couple of technical examples of this a little later.
Transference vs. Valence
Very briefly, in transference, one is dealing with a relationship issue. If one addresses valence, however, one is not dealing with a relationship—he is dealing with a psychological identity. Treating a valence does nothing to address the transference.
As an example, say the person has a “mother” complex. The psychoanalyst would not address the identity of the patient-as-mother. The patient isn’t being mother! The patient’s identity is a completely wrong target. To address the individual’s identity directly would introvert him totally and bury the complex even further.
It gets much worse. Not only did Hubbard manage to bury the complex and obscure the transference, he developed technology that would literally replace the person’s identity, while making him feel completely extroverted. (Tom Cruise) I will discuss some examples of this under later headings.
Lower Bridge
One can easily see that the lower Bridge comprises copious permutations of Freudian-based free association exercises. Within the context of proper therapy, they would probably be relatively innocuous. Hubbard used the psychoanalytic techniques of free association to make the Scientologist feel that he was getting somewhere. He justified this under the heading of “getting charge off the case”. People do experience temporary releases and relief at the lower levels. This is not because of Scientology; it is because of “squirrel” psychotherapy called Scientology.
It is even conceivable that some Scientologists may experience some accidental resolution of transference in various areas of their lives. This would be permitted only if that resolution does not disturb the Scientologist’s dependence on Scientology. As an example of this: a person has a session and discovers he can now paint. (These things do occur in auditing from time to time. As above, it is not Scientology—it is what Scientology has stolen from psychology.) Now our painter decides to quit his job and stop making his Bridge payments, or leave his course so he can explore his new ability. Forget it! Unless his contributions and time on course remains undisturbed, he would be “out-ethics” by making these life changes. He is told gently or not so gently by the ethics officer that he has “stopped to smell the roses”, when what he really needs to do is pay for his next Scientology service, and “go OT. “Positive effects” that the Scientologist experiences along the way are important to the degree that they give the Scientologist something to point to as “progress” up the Bridge.
There is, however, a dangerous aspect of Freudian analysis and free association. Free association is known in psychoanalysis to activate complexes. Every answer to a repetitive question in Scientology auditing is contained within the complex that the question itself evokes. By the specially trained-in impingement of the auditor upon the person’s unconscious, and by the authority of the auditor, the complex is activated. The preclear continues to find new answers to the same question repeated by the auditor; the process is complete when the preclear voices a new realization about the content of the complex, and when a particular needle response is seen on the e-meter.
In Scientology, it is held that nothing in the person’s current life is really aberrative; that the source of his troubles lays much further back in time. The only “purpose” for addressing a case at lower levels is to release enough attention and affect so that the Scientologist can make contact with and address the things that Hubbard professed to lay at the bottom of every being’s difficulty.58
Scientologists do not realize that with every session, despite whatever else “positive” that happens, their unconscious allegiance to Scientology gets strengthened. Every complex that is touched on in a session has psychic energy connected with it. The auditing process provides the conduit for that psychic energy to be redirected to a Scientology complex.
Hubbard constructed the sequence of the Bridge to exactly mimic the formulation of the complex and its transference. With the Freudian free association processes, existing complexes are rearranged and the energy contained in those complexes is utilized to create a growing complex and transference to Hubbard and Scientology. Every auditing process is constructed and ordered into a grade that accomplishes a phases of the transference. The Bridge is the sequence of those grades.
The Scientologist thinks that he is there of his own will. He is not. It is not possible to be operating under one’s own free will while being manipulated by a massive, growing transference that grips every facet of his life. Scientology points to the “releases” that their brand of psychotherapy brings, and holds it up as the only thing that is going on. Behind the scenes however, Scientology actually replaces the identity of the person with Hubbard’s own version of who he “should be”. The person thinks he is getting closer to his own basic personality. He thinks differently about his life, and about his purposes. He feels simpler. He feels “clearer”. He is not. He is selling his soul, piece by piece, and he is replacing it with a grotesque caricature, called Hubbard.
What happens when a person leaves Scientology or is excommunicated? Very often he will feel a terrible loss, a terrible loneliness, guilt, or depression. Scientologists would look at this and say he feels that way because he betrayed Scientology. No. Any bad psychological effect from leaving Scientology is because of the unconscious transference that Scientology worked so hard to build up. That transference is not healed simply by the action of leaving Scientology.
Some unconscious process in the apologetic may convert that transference to a negative transference against Scientology. And that is the point where Scientology employs their “Fair Game” policy against the apologetic. If they cannot maintain a positive transference and control of a Scientologist, Scientology will label him a “suppressive person”, and do everything in their power to destroy their new enemy. They will use the apologetic’s own prior confessions from his auditing. They will lie in court and they will use their transference technology on judges, on political figures and on IRS agents; they will use it on anyone they must manipulate to further their own ends. They will do everything that an insane criminal would do. Their secret transference weapons are specialized according to the function of the job for which the Scientologist gets trained. And they are particularly vicious in the arena of their external intelligence operations.
Scientology uses the lower Bridge to strengthen transference, to extort money and to ensure that the person remains trapped for as long as he has money to pay. This is so true that the Scientologist’s friends will start to disassociate with the person if he has been off the Bridge for too long. The peer pressure is subtle, but it carries tremendous power. The penniless Scientologist has not lost his transference to Scientology. He will go to any lengths to get back on the Bridge so he can regain his status with Scientology. It is the power of the unconscious transference that is at work, not some superhuman OT phenomenon that keeps a person on the Bridge.
Certain psychic phenomena occur in Scientology auditing, which the preclear would have no way of interpreting, except as contained in Scientology “scriptures”. For example, preclears quite often make contact with images of famous personalities and deities and believe that they are addressing their own personal experience as those identities. The auditor has been trained to view such contact as a manifestation of a delusory case condition; it is viewed that the preclear was overwhelmed in that time by the identity he now considers himself to be. He is further admonished to take the preclear through the incident as it is perceived by the preclear.59
Any auditor will eventually run across any number of archaic celebrities in the mind of his preclear: Buddhas, Jesus Christs, Napoleons, etc.
This is not to be construed as any effort to make less of the individual being audited, or of the psychic reality of such images. However, it is my strong opinion that the automatic interpretation the preclear is expected to make is not properly construed, taught or acted upon in Scientology. Further, the identification with such images can have tremendously disastrous psychological effects in the person’s concept of himself and of his relationship to his life. The person’s own religious ideas are manipulated, using psychological measures of a very sinister and dangerous nature.
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Sure Scientology is different because Hubbard learned a little occult technology under Jack Parsons, and Crowley, and was certainly a good hypnotist.
We do need a religion that emphasizes psychological balance as a prelude to healthy spirituality; it is just that Scientology does not fill this vacuum at all.
It is just another loud cult promoting itself with glib superficial claims to healing it never has proven, and in the process making itself a wealthy institution that only seeks to maintain itself. |
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| zak247 wrote: | Sure Scientology is different because Hubbard learned a little occult technology under Jack Parsons, and Crowley, and was certainly a good hypnotist.
We do need a religion that emphasizes psychological balance as a prelude to healthy spirituality; it is just that Scientology does not fill this vacuum at all.
It is just another loud cult promoting itself with glib superficial claims to healing it never has proven, and in the process making itself a wealthy institution that only seeks to maintain itself. |
One famous critic calls it a fraud pretending to be a cult.
Zak, you made me aware of one very important point:
I tried to completely distinguish Scientology from other mainstream religions based on it's public actions and relationship with society. I can partly do so, but I cannot do so completely. Many things Scientology has done to harm people, the others have done too.
There are many webpages on Scientology abuse and murders, but nothing on the scale of the Iraq War or the Palestine Occupation, or various Wahabbist brutality. I can probably include various Hindu and Buddhist Shinto etc. violence and repression, which is also supposed to be outside the scope of the religion itself, but sometimes sanctioned by religious figures.
Arguably, that's because Scientologists do not currently possess this technology or political power or the numbers, not because they would use such power differently. Arguably, because Scientology does not have a base of "goodness", generosity, humanity, etc., rather an extreme focus on power and control as it's core foundation, it would be far worse and far more dangerous IF it acquired significant power to abuse.
Arguably, other major religions, though brutal and harmful activities have been run through them, including promoting "holy" Wars, their societies also include strong denouncements of these *abberations* or *misuse* of their religion, and emphasize aspects like Peace and Ethical Morality, Golden Rule, Kindness, Mercy, Justice, etc. Arguably these are religions which also run aground on the rocks of political infighting, power-seeking, human weakness, superstitions, and exceptionalism/rightness.
Scientology seems to be completely missing those gentle aspects, except as useful in terms of "sales" and "customer relations" and reward/punishment of members/outsiders.
Scientology ALSO seems to be missing the emphasis on Integrity embodied by (what I've read of) the Church of Satan/Temple of Set.
CoS/ToS believe in "Do as Thou Wilt", but they also believe in personal responsibility for one's deeds, and obedience to the Law. CoS/ToS writing was strongly against carrying out campaigns of attack, even of ex-members and outsiders who caused them political harm. They ejected/rejected recalcitrant members who committed financial misdeeds or carried on activities (drugs, sexual abuse) which could bring public scorn on their Church. They strove to rise above the petty sniping of enemies, in their public statements.
Scientology, like some Islamists and others, hounds people to make them return, and attacks "apostates", but according to insiders, it does so due solely for selfish financial motives, not even twisted moralistic reasons, or fevered beliefs. (Some Islamists, for example, persecute "poor" members who leave because it's "a sin" to reject the faith. Scientology, if it can't drain it's ex-members for more money, ostracizes them and threatens them into silence, but I think it otherwise ignores them for the most part. This may be incorrect, they may also seek to entrap them for providing "free services" i.e. slavery.)
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In addition to their own language, look and morality, the Scientology world has its own definition of crime and punishment, with certain acts labelled as "misdemeanors" (e.g., refusing an E-meter check), "crimes" (e.g., heckling a Scientology supervisor) and "high crimes" (e.g., yielding a Scientologist to the demands of civil or criminal law).
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Alexander Mitchell, who writes consistently interesting articles on Scientology for the London Sunday Times, found that in the basement of the Scientology Queen Street office, London, the Scientologists actually had a prison -- a tiny padlocked room known as the "dungeon" where erring Scientologists were locked up, sometimes for several days, on bread, butter and water. "If a member of the staff made an accounting slip, or infringed on an ethics order," he wrote, "he is taken to the dungeon to enable him to find out where he is in Scientology."
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But most Scientologists stay there not because they fear investigations or blackmail but because they genuinely believe in their Church and its principles. Scientologists are perfectly contented to "disconnect" or divorce themselves from their "suppressive" spouses or parents, if necessary, remarry other Scientologists, have their own children audited, leave their jobs, and become part of the world of Scientology -- a world so different from the real one that it hits you like the heat on a hot summer day from the moment that you walk into an org. It's a world with its own morality, according to the Australian inquiry into Scientology which found that a Scientologist can seduce a fifteen-year-old girl because she's really over seventy trillion plus fifteen-years-old -- obviously past the age of consent. The Scientology world has its own language, which often makes them sound as if they're eating a metaphysical alphabet soup (PTS, Org, SP, LRH, MEST, etc).
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Another reason that Scientologists are trying to get into so many different areas may be found in their recently revised "Code of a Scientologist." This code not only states that their goal is to increase their number in the world, but also their strength. Early in Hubbard's career, he claimed that Dianeticians, because of their higher I.Q.s, would form an aristocracy, and that this elite corps would subjugate the rest.
"One sees with some sadness that more than three-quarters of the world's population will become subject to the remaining [one-quarter Dianeticians] as a natural consequence and about which we can do exactly nothing."
"But even if they do want to take over," said one former Scientologist, "they can't become dangerous unless they become political and then somebody gives them a government or an army."
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I won't bother adding more.
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Radical Islam is accused of similar crimes to Scientology, but many less-strict mainstreamed modernized Muslims denounce these practices and say they are NOT part of Islam, are part of other older cultural biases, or may be "barbarism of a different era", or are part of a "Wahabbi" cult or 'spectrum' or interpretation, which is not central to Islam.
Fine. At least American Muslims I know do not seem to reflect "Wahabbist" tendencies.
Some Christian fundies also exhibit some bizarre rituals -- Randy Weaver made his menstruating wife and daughter sleep in a separate building -- and this is socially abnormal in our modern context, seen as 'spiritual abuse' now, but I read nothing about other forms of torture from these types.
Christian Identity/Aryan Nation/KKK all contain some aspects of Christianity, but I don't think I'd call them -- and their Exterminationism and Holy Race War beliefs -- examples of the Christian religion at all. I'm not an expert, but I'd say it's purely racism, hatred, and eugenics grafted onto some Biblical roots.
Hubbard IS the sole inventor of his entire story. It cannot be said that Jesus is the sole inventor of Christianity, nor Mohammed the sole inventor of Islam, since both rely on ancient effects of Judaism which were collaborative and reliant on older and more primitive religions.
AA (arguably not a religion at all) is strongly deriviative of Christianity, diluted or enhanced (depending how you see it) by Eastern religions, and informed or influenced by psycho-analysis. It is not a one-man invention either, and it's so unstrict and unintrusive that it's not even in the same ballpark as any of the others.
Several of Hubbard's statements and policies describe Scientology in the context of an Intelligence org. or a Business, while it legally claims status as a religion.
I wanted to describe Scientology as 'unique' in other ways, such as in having infiltrated govt offices, but I can't quite do that. They have done that in a different manner, by covertly getting hired to sensitive jobs for express purposes of erasing legal files, seizing files, and blackmailing enemy individuals. However, that is arguably similar to some Neo-Cons, Zionists, and Christian Rightists/Dominionists/Reconstructionists in politics.
Christianity and Judaism have "invaded" the US govt to a frightning degree. Both the Christian Right Political Morality + Power movements and the Zionism aspect of Judaism have "infected" our politics.
The writer named Israel Shahak has described a dishonest mode of thinking where Jewish people who do not believe in a God that exists, nevertheless believe that He gave Israel to the Jews. Arguably, this is NO LONGER a religion, or it is a religion that worships a State, a Race, a Triumph, a People, a Land, and many other symbolic and tangible things, but NOT the God of Judaism, though some who believe in aspects of Zionism also practice parts of Judaism.
Many mainstream American Liberal Christians have attacked the various Christian Right factions as NOT representing the essence or core of Christianity, or rather representing only parts of it which appeal to it's political and moralistic and control-freak agenda.
Anyhow, I'm not so much defending Judeo-Christianity-Islam, which have very fucked up and cultish aspects to all of them, but Scientology seems to be a different animal for reasons previously mentioned.
Many years ago, a woman in AA from Long Island who liked my tone of voice, words, wit, thought I should either
a) become a Rabbi
b) start my own religion.
She always laughed while saying she was not joking. She roughly reminded me of a non-Jewish Fran Drescher.
I would not consider any religion that I created to have any more or any less authenticity than Hubbard's religion, i.e. it would be equally fake, except as my own personal faith. However, mine would not insist that everyone OUTSIDE my religion is either subhuman or an enemy, nor would my religion include blackmailing, extorting, injuring, or otherwise harming non-Dilbertists, in the manner that Scientology DOES do these things.
I don't believe Scientology is *just* another religion like any other. I think the E-Meter is totally fake, but I also believe large parts of the Bible are fake, self-serving, bizarre, even if ancient.
I would think that the takedown called Soul Hackers would clarify the finer distinctions. Other religions may "hack souls" as well, but not solely in the services of Ron Hubbard (as it was) or his successors. And who picked Hubbard's successors anyhow? How did they get there? |
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Every time i read comparions between religions (or political parties), this scene invariably plays over and over in my (alleged) mind:
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Rump, you got it, but for whatever reason, I find this psych stuff fascinating:
EDIT: LET ME EMPHASIZE HERE THAT THESE ELEMENTS THAT MAKE UP TRANFERENCE ARE LARGELY INVISIBLE TO THE INDUCTEE. I DISCUSS "CONSUMERS" AND "CHOICE" BELOW. ANY SYSTEMS WHICH PROFESS FREE CHOICE TO CONSUMERS, BUT WHERE CHOICE IS EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATED BY INVISIBLE MEANS OF DECEPTION AND CONTROL, CAN NO LONGER BE SAID TO REPRESENT FREE CHOICE.
There's a section on experiencing Nothingness (not uncommon to religions, but described here as formatting a hard drive prior to reprogramming with Hubbard's mental program).
The Tone Scale
At some point early on in the person’s training, he trains on the technology and applications of Hubbard’s emotional tone scale. Like the TRs, tone scale material is basic Scientology, and is taught and applied thereafter throughout Scientology, at every technical, administrative and organizational level.
The tone scale is a list of emotions arranged in what is given as a descending order of positivity. Each emotion listed is given an arbitrary number that represents the quantity of mental mass supposedly activated at the moment the emotion is experienced. The abridged version of the tone scale represents the scale of emotions a Dianetics auditor would encounter in a “human being”: a degraded thetan who is now being carted around by a body.71 The expanded tone scale is used in Scientology to staticize the emotions of the thetan direct; without a body the thetan is supposedly capable of a much wider range of emotions.
At the top of the expanded tone scale one finds “Serenity of Beingness” at 40.0. “Body Death” lies at 0.0. At the bottom of the list, at –40.0, lies “Total Failure”. The student is coached to dramatize each emotion on this list, over and over; until his supervisor is satisfied he has edited out any emotion that appears to be fixed or “inappropriate.”
The Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation and Dianetic Processing that accompanies the basic text on the subject includes forty-two category headings which correspond to the list of emotions. Headings include one’s medical condition, psychiatric condition, expected ethics range, sexual behavior, truth level, and so on. The student uses this chart extensively to evaluate his own and others’ psychological condition.
The student is taught that this chart is an exact plot for any human; that for example a person who is covertly hostile would invariably and without exception have corresponding characteristics such as:
| Quote: | […] Psychotic Range: Psychotic
Sexual Behavior: Promiscuity, perversion, sadism, irregular practices
Method Used by Subject to Handle Others: Nullifies others to get them to the level where they can be used. Devious and vicious means. Hypnotism, gossip. Seeks hidden control.
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the idea that the more “massy” or “stuck to the physical” the person is, the closer he is to the evil that Scientology is designed to resolve.
The student is drilled to instantly plot anyone’s emotional tone. In doing so, he makes a blanket judgment of any subject, as delineated by the chart. With this “tool” under his belt, he knows who he can trust or not trust, ...
The tone scale and its corresponding chart is the template with which the student observes and interacts with others in his environment; this is the bible he uses to monitor his own emotions and social responses. The tone scale is one of the most basic controlling tools used at all levels, used by the Scientologist in every area of his life.
Qualified independent professionals have never ratified the writings of Hubbard in general, and the tone scale and Chart of Attitudes in specific. Keep in mind that by the time the lay Scientology student begins to study the tone scale material, he has already likely been psychologically affected in ways that would alter his critical faculties and perceptions relative to the material.
Apart from the obvious ramifications this has on the Scientologist’s relationship with his family and other associates, the tone scale also works subjectively upon the Scientologist. The Scientologist is taught the exact pattern and range of acceptable emotional range at any time. He knows that if he exhibits an emotion below 2.0, “Antagonism”, his reactive mind has taken over control, and that anything he does or says at this tone level will be subject to scrutiny; [...]
He is taught that he can and must create emotions at his own “will”, that any negative emotions stem from that part of him which is his ultimate enemy to him and to those around him—his reactive mind.
He discovers that he must only associate socially with those who conduct themselves within a certain emotional range, that at any time anyone could drop below 2.0 and betray him, lie to him and otherwise be unworthy of his association and trust. He even learns how to select his business partner and his wife (or her husband) by carefully plotting her on the tone scale.
But, above all else, he is taught that the only “safe” and appropriate place where he can feel negative emotions will be in his auditing sessions, [...]
In short, he must repress his emotions and override his natural responses in favor of those emotions deemed acceptable and called for by Hubbard. The tone scale and its emotional manipulation serves to completely bypass the way the Scientologist actually feels. It closes the door and makes inaccessible to the Scientologist that part of the person who knows he is really not a robot, someone who cannot be trusted with feeling and experiencing on his own terms.
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The Scientologist desperately needs to be able to evaluate his environment with his own responses. But he has, in becoming a Scientologist, unwittingly sold and given over control of his soul to the “Church” of Scientology and to L Ron Hubbard. He thinks that he is his personality and that all else is invalid or on the negative side of the scale. He is “extroverted” to the degree that his unconscious content is repressed and projected out into the environment.
He is no longer able to grant validity to any input from anyone outside Scientology except as through the artificial template personality that his training has erected around him. He “knows” that he is superior to a non-Scientologist, that non-members are to be pitied, they are to be recruited, they are to be controlled, and if they are critical about his “religion”, they must be excised from his life.
several more sections follow, then
Why Scientology Calls Itself a Religion
(the assumption here is that religion is *good*)
Transference is sometimes viewed not as a negative thing, but as completely positive. The Pope in the Roman Catholic Church would be an example of this. As the servant of servants, he acts as the ultimate mediator between the parishioner and God; transference is carried to God via the Pope.
Hubbard capitalized on the phenomenon of the positive transference found in any religion; he turned it into a black version for his own self-aggrandizement. He knew that religion by its very nature would is the perfect breeding ground for the manipulation of transference; God cannot be scientifically proven, nor can a belief system be explained in a logical way.
Scientology hides behind a pseudo-religious façade. That façade is a grotesque and hideous expression of Hubbard’s own criminal insanity and of his own psychotic identification with the image of God.
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Granted, the definitions of soul and spirit are variously delimited in the religions of the world; it is important to note again that a fundamental, if not hidden reality in Scientology is that one does not develop a relationship with a god—one is a god. This can be further emphasized with the Scientology concept that as one goes up the Bridge to Total Freedom, one can be more and more of each dynamic, which of course includes the God Dynamic.
In Scientology, Hubbard is Source, and there is no other Source. Whether he felt he was The Supreme Being is frankly irrelevant. In Scientology there is no room for another god or God, despite rhetoric to the contrary. He effectively overthrew, in the collective opinion of Scientologists, all the archetypal images of humanity’s greatest spiritual leaders, including Dharma <sic>, Krishna, Lao-Tse, Gautama Buddha, Moses, Christ and Mohammed—he colored the banner black and he took it up himself.
It is not necessary to express the obvious hierarchal spiritual and religious relationship the individual has with the organization of Scientology and with Hubbard. That Hubbard is dead provides no relief from this spiritual connection and hierarchy, as he too is “Immortal”. His continued Scientology research and involvement was announced at his memorial service.
This should also explain to the reader why it is that the myth of Hubbard is so jealously and devotedly guarded and promoted, regardless of incontrovertible evidence of the blatant lies contained within the official version. The organization of Scientology knows it is absolutely critical for its survival that Hubbard’s myth be kept alive. If existing Scientologists were somehow gotten into a psychological condition where they could be enlightened about the full truth of Hubbard’s life and death, they would be permitted to come to terms with the spiritual fraud that has been inflicted upon them and through them. Their departure would cause Scientology to crumble. Scientology knows that as soon as the person no longer sees Hubbard as a deity, as Source, Scientology will not “work” for that person.
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However, the psychological premise of transference stands, with or without the Anti-Christ argument in the alleged OT 8 theory.
A human god does not need religion—he needs psychotherapy. What a person gets in Scientology is black psychotherapy.
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And it's not just about joining a cult. What if they were the most dominant religion? What if they were a minor minority force ... say like Zionist-Judaism? What if they started buying up newspapers, starting with the SP Times? (Moonies already got the Washington Times)
They DO mean to take over the world by force, and by infiltration of all institutions through governments, according to their own internal statements, and they DO seem to have a lot of wealthy and famous influential members. Goofy L. Ron is dead ... cept for his portrait. Miscavige is a powerful, compelling presence, as much as Cruise is a cutie-pie hunk! (or seen that way by some) Somewhere it was explained, this is like the perfect religion for actors, whose very honorable profession consists of lying convincingly for a camera/audience, words, body language, and emotional control. he can and must create emotions at his own “will”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB4oahZkGZo
In this 2000 Scientology video David Miscavige, leader of the cult,
spins the facts on how they crushed the Lisa McPherson case.
from Enthetamachine
The use of Hitler's speech at the beginning here *IS* appropriate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO9VV11V1kE part 1
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMgakAozEvI Part 2
UK politicos shilling for Scientology Cult HUGE CEREMONY
TAKING OVER THE PLANET, literally
the implications of this scare me more than Bush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj4wqRNXRds
Scientology - What are your crimes? (Harassment of protesters is a core Scientology teaching and advanced members undergo a training regimen on this. The basis is that people who oppose Scientology -- or oppose Scientology's aims of taking over every earthly institution -- are evil criminals who are set to destroy what is good and "helpful", criminals who deserve no civil rights, who deserve punishment by forced labor on one of their RPF forced labor camps.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocw90W44Boc
MORE HARASSMENT techniques Scientology - Personal Insults
(these methods of harassment of critics is part of their training, not just a spat)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvjzDgMmELY
Scientology JERKS Bull Baiting
(granted, the anti-scientologists are also trading crude insults, but have you ever seen a church member act like this?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G8OArPHyh8
Scientology kills via belief
(the E-Meter checks "repressed memories" you allegedly have in you, not only your known past (like an AA 5th Step or confession) but including those incidents which happened in your past life millions of years ago when you were a clam dropped on the rocks by birds -- and the use of the E-meter serves as an intimidating "lie detector test", while the Auditor person asks questions designed to induce a hypnotic trance, under which suggestive apsects of "The Tech" can be inserted into your mind)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXGQChT4-ik
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Absolutely stunning reports Gary.
Still taking it in and watching the videos. Phew!
More l8r.
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Thanks Fintan, you were the one who found this. I HAD NO IDEA. I thought -- like many do ]-- that it was just some quirky little religious movement, nothing to be personally concerned about, so long as I don't join.
I just put up two of Beebe's videos there's really about six.
By the way, Firefox has some extensions/tools for capturing and downloading Flash Video from YouTube and Google. Video Downloader works on YT. The one that works best w Google is the one with the fish logo, I cant remember the name now. YouTube has their copyright on donated vids, but I've converted them (imperfectly) using VLC and put them up for safekeeping. (I've found I have to convert to streaming MPEG-2 at 2048 w MP3 Aud at 128, then crunch them to AVI or WMV. I also found a free flashplayer that's on my domain, used on my MEDIA page, since embedded WMV would start playing immediately, and loudly.)
You MIGHT get some phone calls. Probably not, because there's so many duplicators, but you might.
Scientology suing CAN and then seizing CAN's entire business and phone line is like NAMBLA taking over an abuse hotline for raped children. That's not legal defense, that's pure evil.
| Quote: | http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=95
Legal and Disclaimer
Caroline Letkeman and Gerry Armstrong are solely responsible for carolineletkeman.org.
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This is an entirely non-commercial site. Its content is intended to be critical of the human and civil rights violations, abuses, fraud and criminality of the Scientology enterprise. If we failed in this intention, we apologize. Neither Gerry Armstrong, Caroline Letkeman or carolineletkeman.org is in any way affiliated with or sponsored or authorized by any Scientology organization, and in no way or measure whatsoever do we support Scientology's rights violations, abuses, fraud or criminality.
We are fully aware that documents herein, and carolineletkeman.org itself, are prima facie violations of an injunction the Scientology cult obtained in the California Superior Court against Gerry Armstrong and anyone acting in concert with him. We acknowledge that by creating this web site, webbing these documents, and in a thousand different ways Caroline acts constantly in concert with Gerry. It is our conviction, however, that said injunction is unlawful, lawfully unenforceable, a lawfully impermissible violation of our civil rights to freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, due process and freedom from slavery, and that the injunction was obtained by the Scientology cult by fraud, threat and other unlawful means. We therefore believe that we are legally and completely justified in webbing and making available the information and documents on this site.
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We are aware that any assistance the site might be to people defrauded, abused or persecuted by Scientology, or to anyone who opposes the cult's abuses and criminality, is also prohibited by the Armstrong injunction that the cult obtained in California. Such a prohibition, we also believe, is unlawful and lawfully unenforceable, and we believe that we are morally and legally justified in providing whatever assistance to wogs® or to Scientologists that the site can in any way be. It isn't possible to tell, of course, if we are assisting, so please let us know, or send other materials to us that you think could help us help even more.
We are very aware that the Scientology organization is the most notorious abuser of copyright law in the world. The cult uses this commercial law to suppress discussion, prevent people from making informed decisions, and as a "legal" weapon to attack and fair game opponents of its abuses and criminality. Scientology is no respecter of the fair use guarantee of copyrights, and consequently is no respecter of the benefits the fair use doctrine gives to society; namely, teaching, scholarship, criticism, comment, reporting and research.
Scientology seeks to triumph, and attain its goal of world domination, by suppressing or destroying these societal blessings.
The formulators of the fair use right of copyright could not have predicted that any persons or organization would have the malevolent intent and hubris to use commercial copyright law to hide their public libels of people or to keep secret their manuals directing criminal acts against their human targets. Thus in national or international copyright acts, there is no mention of limiting or curtailing tortious or criminal conduct as a public benefit. But it is for this public good, as well as for the various copyright acts' stated benefits of education, scholarship, criticism, research, etc., that we have included on this site large portions, and even complete versions of certain Scientology copyrighted documents. [...] |
I will add this: Unlike The Protocols, there is no question about the source of internal scientology documents directing criminal activities, harassment, violence. Unlike The Talmud, Scientology does not permit it's religious members to discuss and debate these details openly ( www.jewhaters.com ), rather it has celebrity statements and goes on the attack.
In AA, some soul-baring is part of the work, but that's to be with a "trusted closed-mouthed friend", which is up to you to determine. At times this has gone really bad, and there's no central hierarchy to control or punish individual indiscretions.
In Scientology, there IS a central hierarchy which exerts full control, and pretends to have had past 'lapses' of control, but abuse of this trust relation is a key part of their core nature, in two ways. One, the soul-baring lie-detector exercises "on the cans" function to assist the abuse-of-transference process, with the Auditor acting as an empty vessel conduit to Hubbard's brain, to Hubbard's "tech". Two, Scientology at it's highest levels orders that confidential records of Audit sessions and other records be used to attack perceived enemies, ex-members, yet there is no disclaimer that such records can or will be used for such purposes.
I think this is already clear to anyone reading this forum this far, but it's worthwhile summarizing the most salient points. |
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dilbert_g
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:32 am Post subject: |
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This could have been written by Karl Rove and his RNC and Rendon Group friends.
| Quote: | Given enough repetition of the redefinition, public opinion can be altered by altering the meaning of a word. The technique is good or bad depending on the ultimate objective of the propagandist. Psychiatry" and "psychiatrist" are easily redefined to mean "an antisocial enemy of the people." This takes the kill-crazy psychiatrist off the preferred list of professions. This is a good use of the technique as for a century the psychiatrist has been setting an all-time record for inhumanity to Man. The redefinition of words is done by associating different emotions and symbols with the word than were intended. The American Medical Association and the National Association for Mental Health in England and South Africa and the "British Psychological Association" in Australia have been working very hard to redefine Scientology in the public mind. Two things occur because of this—the Scientologists are redefining "doctor," "psychiatry" and "psychology" to mean "undesirable antisocial elements" and are trying to stabilize the actual meaning of "Scientology."
— L. Ron Hubbard
HCOPL 5 October 71 Propaganda by Redefinition of Words |
EDIT: HAWKWIND, thanks for posting the huge list of front groups, and the inroads they've made. This is what should be so fucking scary. I can envision a day where Scientology is the ONLY way, and they can too. Scientologists see this as simply "progress" or "evolution", apparently blinded to their own deceptions and malevolence of the "tech". Tell Tom Cruise we don't want any "Help" from him of his friends.
NOT that some elements of State Psychology bureaucracy cannot also be abused. My friend, in soc work, described a situation similar to what's in Adam Curtis' "The Trap"
http://www.Takeoverworld.info/vid.html
in which the *subjectivity* and *inaccuracies* of psychology that led to serious mistakes in diagnosis were replaced by "bean-counter" technology emerging from the Rand Corporation, the Military, and from the schizophrenia of John Forbes Nash. Rather than adding a bit more rigor and standards to psych diagnosis, it quantitized the process, graphed it, sterilyzed it, removed the elements of inquiry and innovation and intuition, and turned it into a symptom-drug corporate-govt bureaucracy model.
It's sort of a part-and-parcel of the elevation of the psych profession to legal and insurable standards, as well as military standards (for PSTD for example). On one hand, this newer system is intended to weed out obvious fraud, but on the other hand, the rigidity produces another whole set of (presumably) unintended consequences.
I certainly think Prozac and it's cousins should be re-evaluated. I think some people probably benefit and probably need it. I think drugs are WAAAY over-prescribed, especially to misbehaving kids. I know a healthy 19 y o whose family and school problems led to him being put on drugs, and drugs to counteract drugs, and drugs to counteract those, and higher dosages. It exacerbated his problems, until he got off them. He also joined AA, quit smoking pot constantly, quit drinking and having violent rages, and is moving along on a good career, while still able to be a young adult kid and have a sense of humor.
I think even the concept of misbehavior needs to be re-evaluated, because kids are supposed to be wild, and some of that wildness can be channeled into useful activities instead of boredom and trouble. I also think there are causes related to society and family, that can either be corrected or coped with. If you're a kid who feels that either you're crazy or the world is crazy, and you find out how it's "the world" or a little of both, then you can implement appropriate defense mechanisms in your mind and outlook, appropriate expectations, etc.
Psych might work better with standards that are NON-binding NON-legal or partially binding like a "Seal of Approval", but that looseness opens up legal ambiguities for insurance, etc. In my future, I might decide to embark on some kind of Landmark or similar experiment, but at least NOW I'd have a stronger basis as a consumer to discern malevolent intent. (Speaking of "consumer", that's supposed to be a mode, like "as a consumer ... " in the mode of shopping/evaluating/acquiring/consuming, which is normal in non-totalitarian societies (including marriage), but it's not supposed to be a "way of being", like "I AM a consumer". It's a word that has strong cultural connotations, and even legal connotations, in the West, which imply *choice*, but it remains in use in monopoly situations (and abuse/control situations) where choice has been eliminated for all practical purposes.)
My personal opinion is that Landmark Education got the shaft when it lost a lawsuit that made them responsible for bizarre reactions of a tiny number of their clients, in circumstances far removed from their Course. If I have a bad reaction from reading this Forum, can I make Fintan responsible my actions, due to it's content? If I kill someone after reading the Illuminati threads, can they sue Fintan? If I get drunk and kill someone, can the victims sue Seagrams? I think there's some kind of legal judgment on *distance* in determining cause and effect, but it's a judgment call, of a competent judge or jury.
The *distance* in the Lisa MacPherson case is tiny, or non-existent. She was kidnapped by Sci employees, HELD at Sci HQ in Clearwater, and abused by Sci techniques of *punishment* and *isolation*. That's a whole 'nuther animal, and I think that distinction is important. |
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dilbert_g
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http://suppressiveperson.org/spdl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=320&Itemid=38
Scientology teaches that Suppressive Persons, or Antisocials are a class comprising two and a half percent of earth's population, and are the cause of all illness, accidents and any bad condition. Scientology states that SPs are completely evil and irredeemable, "truly dangerous," committing crime continuously, "psychotic," and deserving of no civil rights.
Scientology also teaches, and Cruise knows, that the Antisocial Personality, the SP, is, as the Hubbard bulletin but not the online version says, the “Anti-Scientologist.” The opponents or critics of Scientology or any of its doctrines, policies or practices are the people that the organization identifies as Suppressive Persons.
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In another policy letter, called menacingly “Battle Tactics,” Hubbard expanded on the need and opportunities for Fair Gaming Scientology’s SP “enemies.”
"We must ourselves fight on a basis of total attrition of the enemy. So never get reasonable about him. Just go all the way in and obliterate him.[...]
One cuts off enemy communications, funds, connections. He deprives the enemy of political advantages, connections and power. He takes over enemy territory. He raids and harrasses.[...]
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The prize is "public opinion" where press is concerned. The only safe public opinion to head for is they love us and are in a frenzy of hate against the enemy, this means standard wartime propaganda is what one is doing, complete with atrocity, war crimes trials, the lot. Know the mores of your public opinion, what they hate. That's the enemy. What they love. That's you.
You preserve the image or increase it of your own troops and degrade the image of the enemy to beast level. [...]
Wars are composed of many battles.
Never treat a war like a skirmish. Treat all skirmishes like wars."
— L. Ron Hubbard
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In heading for that safe public opinion of a frenzy of hate against the people Scientology declares “SPs” and “enemies,” and in their campaign to degrade these people’s images to beast level, the organization publishes and disseminates mountains of generalized as well as individualized defamatory and hateful attacks, which Hubbard termed “Black Propaganda” or “Black PR.” Hubbard himself Black PRs the SP class as “insane,” “criminal,” dramatizing a “continuous determination to destroy,” “the only thing wrong in this universe,” and responsible for “fill[ing] the institutions with victims, the hospitals with the sick and the graveyards with the dead.”
According to the “Suppressive Person” doctrine, SPs, Scientology’s “enemies,” “oppose violently any betterment activity or group,” and “have a deep but carefully masked hatred of anyone who seeks to help them.”
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We're not playing some minor game in Scientology. It isn't something cute or something to do for lack of something better.
The whole agonized future of this planet, every Man, Woman and Child on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depend on what you do here and now with and in Scientology.
This is a deadly serious activity. And if we miss getting out of the trap now, we may never again have another chance.
— L. Ron Hubbard
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For example, from his policy letter “Suppressive Acts Suppression of Scientology and Scientologists:”
Suppressive acts are clearly those covert or overt acts knowingly calculated to reduce or destroy the influence or activities of Scientology or prevent case gains or continued Scientology success and activity on the part of a Scientologist. As persons or groups that would do such a thing act out of self-interest only to the detriment of all others, they cannot be granted the rights ordinarily accorded rational beings.
— L. Ron Hubbard
Scientology publishes in its “scriptures” a long list of Suppressive Acts or “High Crimes” that make a person a Suppressive. These High Crimes include serious felonies such as murder and arson, and many acts that a reasonable person would view as innocuous and any citizen’s right, such as public statements against Scientology or Scientologists, testifying before state or public inquiries into Scientology, reporting Scientology or Scientologists to the civil authorities, public disavowal of Scientology, demanding the return of fees, publicly departing Scientology, making private plans to leave, informing others one is leaving, or continued adherence to a person or group pronounced a Suppressive Person or group.
Scientology teaches that SPs, the people who criticize, and perhaps otherwise oppose the influence or activities of Scientology, are so hateful, or frightful, or powerful that Scientologists under the organization’s command may not deal with them or even grant them credence.
The Suppressive Person doctrine teaches that Scientology alone has the “technology” to detect and to shatter SPs, the people who oppose the organization’s influence or activities, and the organization teaches its adherents in this detection and shattering “tech.” When Tom Cruise says that he “studied anti-social behavior and personalities,” he doubtlessly studied Scientology’s “PTS and SP Course,” also called the “How to Confront and Shatter Suppression Course.”
The organization’s “devout” celebrities, just like its non-celebrity devotees, are indoctrinated in this “technology” of detecting and shattering the SPs, Scientology’s “enemies,” “opponents” or “critics” that they encounter in life. Scientology then uses these indoctrinated celebrities’ status to promote the Suppressive Person doctrine to others in the organization’s publications, advertising and events. |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: Truly Disturbing Information |
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If true, this is not good ...
"I would caution the protesters about going too far with this religious persecution," stated Scientology spokesperson Tom Cruise. "If this continues in America later today, people should know that the Church of Scientology is an official member of Infragard. The Sea Org is now fully armed, and as a member of Infragard, they are authorized to protect various aspects of our contributions to the nation's infrastructure using deadly force. We're authorized by the FBI to do this, and we will shoot on sight."
Source HERE.
Edit: This is apparently satire in the name of Xenu ... bad LOLZ!
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dilbert_g
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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After reading this, I followed up on Infragard and Cruise.
One article here:
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=39299#39299
Tinfoil hat brigade generates fear about Infragard
by a guy named Lizzard who's part of Infragard
but then ensuing debate about whether this is a genuine concern or not, and that Matthew Rothschild handled this in a mature and balanced manner (reporting both sides), and about other serious concerns.
Some cred warranted. The fellow who posted this is strongly against unwarranted police actions, abuse, and the drug war, he just thought this was too hysterical. |
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dilbert_g
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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UNO,Merkel,Bush,Chavez,Sarkozy..& Scientology with the pope?
GOING GLOBAL 2005
"IAS sponsored crusade to reach into governments around the globe and indoctrinate them about us"
http://www.Takeoverworld.info/vid/Scientology_global_2005.flv 20M
http://www.Takeoverworld.info/vid/Scientology_global_2005.avi 18M
http://www.Takeoverworld.info/vid/Scientology_global_2005.wmv 16M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orv6jpEn5hY
original from first page - full versions adding AVI WMV later
Tom Cruise Wins Scientology's Freedom Medal of Valor Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0
www.Takeoverworld.info/vid/Tom_Cruise_Scientology_Medal_1.flv
Tom Cruise Wins Scientology's Freedom Medal of Valor Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwv38MrawkA
www.Takeoverworld.info/vid/Tom_Cruise_Scientology_Medal_2.flv
(Tom meeting w Sec of Education, FDA, and U.S. State Dept)
"advancing LRH Technologies straight into the corridors of POWER"
Tom Cruise Wins Scientology's Freedom Medal of Valor Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m0Ni0tDhrg
www.Takeoverworld.info/vid/Tom_Cruise_Scientology_Medal_3.flv | Quote: | "Why should we ask permission?
WE'RE the AUTHORITIES!"
OMFG!!!!!!!! |
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/39525/TomCruiseScientologyAwardCeremony-avi.html
www.Takeoverworld.info/vid/TomCruiseScientologyAwardCeremony.avi (150M)
www.Takeoverworld.info/vid/TomCruiseScientologyAwardCeremony70.avi (70M)
FULL AWARD CEREMONY IN ONE BITE - save for evidence
SOUL HACKERS ESSAY - PDF (conversion problems)
http://www.Takeoverworld.info/Scientology_Soul_Hackers.pdf
http://www.carolineletkeman.org/writings/soulhackers.html
Speaking with a member of the Church of Scientology
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1z4DIWxHzU
First he tells us about how the Church tests you and is similar to a dating website. Then he speaks about Tom Cruise, in an attempt to justify how they are the only ones to save people in accidents. I didnt film his face at the beginning because i wanted to hear what he had to say..
Scientology Org. behind all terror! is ... Psychs w Islamic Terror Groups hurting poor CIA people
marching w torches to get them?
(this is actually pretty good, except they call Ali Mohamed a double agent and they don't say he was already released from prison by Ashcroft, which as far as I've read he was ... only held for a few years or less, poss "house arrest")
http://www.watchuonline.com/video/CG3AVacaq6Y/Scientology-Org-behind-all-terror.html
| Quote: | (SO INSIDIOUS)
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c19.html
Whereas the real CAN was an organization that warned people about dangerous cults, the Scientology-backed CAN relies primarily on information provided by cult apologists. It's use of the name "Cult Awareness Network" is, therefore, seen as a farce.
Incidentally, the term "interfaith" strictly speaking stands for "involving person of different religious faith." The idea is that while these people may differ in their theological convictions, they nevertheless tolerate and respect each other. Currently, though, some (including many cult apologists) are trying to redefine the term to mean that one must accept religious pluralism - the theory that there are more than one or more than two kinds of ultimate reality and/or truth - and that therefore more than one religion can be said to have the truth (way to God, salvation, etcetera). (ok so far) In this view, questioning or critiquing the beliefs and/or practices of a religious movement is considered akin to "intolerance," "persecution," and "hatred." For obvious reasons, this appears to be the approach favored by the new CAN.
Throughout the site, CAN assures us it has a "different philosophy" than the old CAN. However, it's banner cry of "tolerance" is belied by hateful articles masquerading as press releases, as well as the same unbalanced approach we have come to expect from the "new CAN."
http://www.skeptictank.org/moxon.htm
Though individual Scientologists had filed the suits, almost all the plaintiffs were alleging discrimination, often using identical language, based on one of two claims: Either they had been denied membership in one of CAN's local affiliate groups, or they had been refused admission to CAN's annual conference.
The reason the suits were so similar, he explains, is simple: Almost all the plaintiffs had suffered the same harm. "These were filed by individual Scientologists who were victimized by CAN," adds Moxon. "That's the long and short of it."
"You would have had to be some kind of vegetable not to see that this was part of some plan," declares Leipold, a partner with Glendale, California's Hagenbaugh & Murphy. He contends that this became even clearer when he began deposing individual plaintiffs and discovered that some had not even applied for membership in CAN before they sued. Others, he says, had no idea who was paying for their lawyers or how those lawyers had been picked.
CAN, they contend, even had to hire security guards for its 1992 conference in Los Angeles because they claim that, among other things, Scientologists blocked CAN members' way onto hotel elevators and attempted to follow convention speakers to their rooms. Randy Franklin, a Los Angeles police officer who was one of the private security guards CAN hired, testified in a March 1994 deposition that a number of Scientologists also taunted and verbally harassed CAN members after being turned away from the meeting. Scientology spokesperson Pouw allows that some individual Scientologists tried to register for the conference, hoping to "dialogue" with CAN members. But she denies that any further disruption occurred. "It sounds like an absolutely outrageous lie on CAN's part," she says.
In any case, Scientology publications such as Freedom magazine certainly made their contempt for CAN clear. One 1995 issue of Freedom, for instance, bore the cover line "CAN: The serpent of hatred, intolerance, violence and death," and inside compared CAN to "a hate group in the tradition of the KKK and neo-Nazis." The same issue also repeated charges that before she became CAN's executive director in 1987, Kisser had been a topless dancer in a Tucson nightclub -- an accusation that Kisser calls "ludicrous."
A Violent Abduction
the case that brought CAN down
more details than I care to copy here --- summary
Basically, a woman left an extremely strict Pentacostal church Life Tabernacle Church, and called CAN for help when her minor sons and one adult son had rejected her and moved in with a church couple. A CAN volunteer gave out a few phone numbers including Rick Ross, who later abducted the 18 yo for 5 days of deprogramming via watching videos. He pretended he was ok, then escaped from them.
A law firm heavily used by Scientology contacted the young man, offered him lots of money if he helped them sue CAN, without telling him that they were working for Scientology's assault on CAN, nor that CAN was already near broke anyhow. The court heard the dramatic story and bought the plaintiff's that the kidnapping was a conspiracy and that CAN orchestrated the whole thing.
The defense wanted to clarify that the litigation was an attack by Scientology, but the judge barred all mention of Scientology. Scientology lawyer said it was completely separate, a case paid for by the United Pentacostalist church, but a church leader denied that they paid the lawyers.
The plaintiff's lawyers went out of their way to deny that the suit or aggressive bidding on the subsequent bankruptcy assets including the name, phone number, client contacts, volunteers who had contacted them w info had a thing to do with Scientology (plaintiff said these were valuable assets worth money on his claim), but the board of newly formed Religious Freedom Foundation had 2 Scientology members, and they quickly revamped the website and business and started publishing glowing stories about Scientology with a mostly-Scientology staff at CAN.
In posting the winning bid, Hayes [...] got a "helluva bargain." Not only did his $20,000 bid buy CAN's name, logo, phone number, and office equipment, it also gave him rights to at least 15 court judgments won by CAN. These included judgments for attorneys' fees and costs from suits like the ones Bowles & Moxon had brought against CAN and lost, which, according to Kisser, were easily worth $100,000.
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Moxon isn't getting much sympathy from Scott, who today is being represented by a new lawyer -- Graham Berry of Los Angeles's Musick, Peeler & Garrett. It's yet another strange twist in the story of CAN's bankruptcy. Scott says he now believes that he was a "pawn" in Scientology's "whole game." He says he had trusted that Moxon was working in his best interest, but contends that after winning his case in September 1995, Moxon started avoiding his phone calls. When they did speak, he adds, Moxon became more and more noncommittal about when Scott would actually see any money. "It was torture," complains Scott, "having $4.85 million plus interest" -- the amount of his judgment -- "and not seeing a penny."
Scott, who had quit his carpet cleaning business after the verdict, claims that he wasn't offered a dime of the $20,000 that the bankruptcy trustee got for CAN's assets. A few weeks after that sale, he recalls, in mid-November 1996, he told Moxon that he was tired of waiting and wanted to sell his judgment. Moxon, he contends, told him the judgment wasn't worth anything. "He was like, 'Push it under the rug and get a job,' " recounts Scott, "and 'go on with your life.' " Moxon denies that he ever told Scott the judgment was worthless or evaded Scott's efforts to reach him. "I probably only called him a hundred times" after the verdict, insists Moxon. He admits that he did counsel Scott to go back to work, but sticks by that advice. "What's wrong with telling a young man to get a job?" he asks. "People should be productive and shouldn't sit around."
THE GALL: Scientology lawyer tries to get his own 18-year-old former-client/pawn judged insane and committed, and placed in his guardianship, after the kid hired a competing lawyer to get paid
In early December Scott replaced Moxon with, a self- styled "anticult" litigator who had been involved in half a dozen cases against Scientology, was bound to add to the fireworks -- and, indeed, Moxon immediately began leveling charges that Berry had kidnapped Scott.
... Moxon and a man he didn't recognize pulled up. Moxon told him how worried he had been, but Scott contends that when he assured Moxon that he was fine and simply wanted to change lawyers, Moxon informed him that he "had made the wrong decision." Scott claims that Moxon then said, " 'You've been kidnapped and brainwashed, haven't you?' "
Moxon soon left, but according to Scott, a short while later the man accompanying Moxon returned and served Scott (his former client) with copies of a petition for guardianship that Moxon had filed in Washington state court. The December 10 action, which asked that an independent guardian be named for Scott, noted that after switching lawyers Scott had settled his $3 million-plus judgment against deprogrammer Ross for $5,000 -- an action that Moxon stated "constitutes prima facie evidence of a person who suffers from some form of incapacity." [...] "I couldn't imagine a more insane thing to do," says Moxon.
He dropped the guardian proceedings on April 4, and less than two weeks later Scott sold his $1.875 million judgment against CAN for $25,000 to a Scientologist named Gary Beeny, who is being represented by Moxon. [/b]
"It wasn't really me that was suing CAN -- it was Scientology," Scott contends. "I was naive. I just kind of rode the waves of what they wanted me to do."
GOES ON WITH MORE LITIGATION BY SCIENTOLOGY
In the end, he and other boosters of the new CAN insist that the old CAN only got what it deserved. And Moxon says he's happy to have played a part. The old "CAN no longer exists because it was a hate group that destroyed families," declares Moxon. "I'm very proud of what I've done.".
http://www.cnn.com/US/9612/19/scientology/index.html
"If the bankruptcy court lets those records be sold," she said, "they are basically taking people's worst fears, which they've confided in the Cult Awareness Network, and selling them to the very organization that created the trauma and that pain." |
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