The People Versus Corporate Scientology

[Fintan]

[coalraker]

Isn't it revealing, reviling how corporations appropriate magical symbols. As if through absorption, a symbol could be defiled. Take for instance Shell oil. How is it that a symbol for transformation is used as a corporate identity?
It seems like an act of sabotage that this kind of linkage can occur.

This may be one of many ways, how corporate elites control society by fucking with their symbols. Fintan we do agree that the essence of myth reflects the subconscious mind expressing itself through the archetypes. Do we not?
While a corporation may brand itself with symbols through absorption, it cannot however through adsorption{ metaphorically speaking}.

Religion of Scientology sounds like an oxymoron.


Borg

[coolcrab]

The phenomenon/hysteria against scientology seems like another psyop/distraction in itself. Similar to Bush and other media icons being brought up as hate figures, except this involves an entire organization. It's not hard to find people around me everyday who have an intense loathing for scientology. Nothing healthy about that! PSYOP!!!!! I have seen numerous cable tv specials of why scientology is terrible while they keep flashing L. Ron Hubbards fat face every other scene. Who gives a fuck... no need to fight, we already won.

[SidVicious]

coolcrab, you don't seem to realize scientology is a dangerous cult and the threat is poses.


If this YouTube video does not display - play it at the YouTube Link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU

Editor: high Q here - http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/

This video sums a few things up if you can handle postmortem photos of the woman boiled to death for trying to leave.

(One last thing, notice how Firefox wants you to spell Scientology with a capital S?)

[zak247]

Hey Fintan, why pick on one little bad apple in a garden of rotten trees. The entire garden must be uprooted.

Apocalypse now: Dissolution of the ellipse [corrupted circle] then and only then can there be real peace, justice, love and

IMMACULATE PERCEPTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Zak
The real neo

[hawkwind]

[Rumpl4skn]

Yeah, I never quite understood the recent Scientology issue, to be honest.

All I saw was Tom Cruise painted as a loon, while he used some really bad debate techniques to make points to Matt Lauer that psychology was riddled with sham science and overdosing people on the behalf of Big Pharma. Something I didn't disagree with. I chalked it up to a bad spokesman, but... I would have to assume now that he was intentionally chosen as the "evil crazy person" who would stand up to the beneficent drug cartels.

So, yeah... Tom Cruise looks permanently crazy. Which makes him the perfect guy to espouse obviously flawed personal philosophies mixed with some real truth that will be 100% discarded as lies by the masses.

[Fintan]

[slaqqer]

http://www.tv.com/uservideos/?action=video_player&id=IH01wzX75b8PvDbb&om_act=convert&om_clk=viduservids

-slaqqer

[Rumpl4skn]

FD - I didn't mean to infer that Scientology was being wrongly bashed, re the psychology issue. I meant that it was most likely predetermined that - of all the people espousing that drugs were over-prescribed, which they are - Tom Cruise was the MSM choice of preference, because he already had a fistful of tickets to Crazytown. The PTB knew his take on it, and he was the perfect tainted messenger to associate this accurate assessment with lunacy.

Then, all that was needed to drive the nail in was a publicized tabloid dispute with a "normal" person, such as the beautiful Brooke Sheilds, who stood up against this awful "bashing" of the psychology and drug industry.

As I always say, sometimes the best way to sell a lie is to have someone you hate tell you the truth.

[coalraker]

[Fintan]

[Fintan]

[dilbert_g]

Wow, TWO scientology videos disappeared.

TO back Fintan on this, NOTE:
Viewers say Cruise is nuts. But look/listen to Oprah's guests scream, at him and Katie.
He's so d-r-e-a-m-y. And in L-O-V-E!!!

Re: Miscavage's 'handling' of Ted Koppel:
how to handle Reporters

[dilbert_g]

interesting tidbits
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from Lerma forum about a court case

The questioning began with this "Do you think Scientology is a cult?"

"I replied, NO, I do not. Scientology is a FRAUD conceived to gain money power and influence for Hubbard with written internal policies to cloak that fraud as a CULT, and secret internal policies to cloak the apparancy (appearance?) of a cult, in turn, as a religion."

neat -- tri-level concealment

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created CCHR for Human Rights -- i.e. freedom of religion
One would have no idea that it exists solely to defend Scientology against "religious persecution", i.e. criticism, exposure

NOTE: A significant number of orgs listed for example on Rightweb are Neo-Conservative "Human Rights" institutes. That's like asking Richard Perle to help w Human Rights. It's a cover for many things, most especially going after people like Saddam Hussein by unleashing mass murder on multiple Iraqi cities.

I read that Brzezinski and others helped establish *THE* HRW Human Rights Watch, specifically to attack the USSR on human rights issues. Not that the USSR didn't have them, but it was a focused smear effort. It was aimed at a takedown and the context was The West and the USA defending Human Rights, with the USSR violating Human Rights.
Consequently, for a long time they remained almost silent (except on rare occasions) about severe US and Israeli Human Rights violations. Natch.

This may have changed -- need to maintain some credibility -- but the idea was that even when violating an 'ally' they would minimize and obscure issues, cite minor violations, but when violating an 'enemy', maximize.

Like for Iraq, talk about waterboarding, but not pouring burning acid into someone's rectum, beating to death, vaginal or anal rape with bottles, or that YouTube vid with a soldier bragging about a colleague "pimping out" a 15-y-o Iraqi girl until she killed herself -- "I guess she was unhappy" grins and laughter.

Those would probably NOT be cited as Human Rights violations, like "Saddam's dungeons" and "Uday's actions" were cited.

So be wary of HUMAN RIGHTS and RELIGIOUS FREEDOM groups.

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Scientology created an offshoot called ADORE, which is an acronym for ... I forget ... maybe A Deep Outrageous Religious Experience.

Anyhow, I want to be aware of obscure groups which are fronts for Scientology, or offshoots i.e. squirrels.

I want to be aware of *super-excited* and *spiritual* people who want to *help* others, like Cruise. I want to remember to listen for Scientology language.

AMWAY is known to do the same, front groups. Quixtar and other companies.
AMWAY is tied to
a) Republicans
b) Bush Sr. spoke there, probably Reagan too, anyhow they adored him -- FREE ENTERPRISE!!!
c) Blackwater
d) Miss America performed there (I was in for about 3 weeks w a friend about 10 y ago)
e) Religious Right in general

Many stories about AMWAY's effect of breaking up families and breaking up churches by zealous leaders telling people to NOT talk to or associate with negative thinkers and detractors (there was a cute name for them too, like SPs).
Sell the DREAM. Sell the sizzle, not the bacon.

A person did a website with simple math showing why ALL and MLM is a scam. ALL make money by recruiting downline, more than selling any product. Any decent sales job is going to have *restricted* territory, not multiple salesman blanketing same territory. Success in Amway requires massive recruiting -- mostly in your area -- which means that to really, really succeed you'd have to have recruits stepping all over each other, or else go very wide, geographically. No room for commissions like that.

But each recruit would have to do the same thing.
And each of theirs.
Very quickly and exponentially, everyone would be signed up, before someone's pyramid got too deep.
In practice, it never happens. Most ppl drop out, some quickly, some later on.
Some feel suicidal, esp after having shunned all their old friends, lost family, lost home, gone bankrupt, now called a LOSER and lost new friends.
Leaders make money mostly by selling tapes and tapes and other accessories to downline, additional high costs besides membership.
Priced well over even "Suggested Retail" which is top price that most stores don't sell for, plus shipping. Therefore, the products do not sell themselves, but ppl 'invest' in them for 'The Dream'.

Probably no one here is interested, but it's been quite popular at times, and it's almost as cultish and deceptive as Scientology.
There ARE ethics rules written down, but "winners" regularly break them and encourage their downline to do the same.
Also, FUCK right wing fanatic Republicans.
I know that New Democrat politicians are conservative pro-business people who are "creative" and "adaptive" in ways that ordinary conservatives are not, so that's not a big saving grace, but still, hard right Repubicans are a whole nuther animal. Equally sneaky, but in different ways. I don't believe the L-R paradigm is entirely Hegelian and fake, that's an AJ psyop (as 'Mike' once said, meant to 'merge' the two by eliminating the grassroots Left and replacing it with *hip* Paleo-cons like AJ clones or Vote Ron Paul clones), but the exaggerated HYPE over differences certainly becomes Hegelian.
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