JESUITS -- by Dilbert

dilbert_g · Guest

Hey, I was questioning all that stuff on Jesuits, but there is a video on the 1954 CIA coup in Guatemala on YouTube.

Go to
CIACoupsofTerrorism
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=CIACoupsofTerrorism
Last page. Oh heck.

* CIA coup of 1954 "A Coup: Made in America"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixxgeCrB1ic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzF1W1JvdIo Part 2: "The United Fruit Company"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gomtUADwZs "The Duck Test and the Catholic Church"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL2iC9IUGXs "Extortion, Blackmail and Revelation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTMpTabtWp0 "The Final Plea"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCQ_eH9gUM "The 1954 coup of President Arbenz"

Anyhow, one part has E. Howard Hunt drooling over this wonderful coup, and he says that the JESUITS were great help. I think he says that the Archbishop in NYC or Italy contacted the Jesuit top guy in Guatemala, and they provided both Intellegence and Propaganda against the govt of Jacobo Arbenz --- who was only trying to get the dirt farmers a little more bling -- or food.

So, I apologize for doubting this.

The part I'm wondering is this. I thought that Archbishop Oscar Romero who was assassinated for helping the poor was also a Jesuit.

If so, maybe it's not the Jesuit-Catholic religion per se, but the establishment arm of it that is attached to the establishment CIA.

??

Peter

I was in Guate late in '96 just after the signing of the peace accord. There were only a few body bags by the roadside....

On several return trips, it became clear that the polarized nature of the society was a natural one (what else is new?) but like many others, positions and enmities were exacerbated by the special interests that wanted control.

Guate has little to offer outside of a poor agrarian economy and a lot of mayan ruins. (Try to get to Peten and see Tikal, it is awesome!)

It is that land-ownership issue that was the crux. The rich land-owners wanted to maintain their control (bloodlines of ex-spanish aristos and mixed foreign/spanish upper classes) while the populists wanted to provide the Kiche inidigenous peoples with their own homesteads and some hope for the future.

The role of the church was, as always, to promote the agenda of the rich and subjugate the masses to their will...and now evangelical christianity is sweeping the younger generations.

dilbert_g · Guest

Peter · Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: Kiche Kiche can?

From what I could gather, it is mostly locals, and it is that damn cross symbolism that is a hold-over from Mayan times that was perniciously co-opted by the church. The bible thumpers do revival meetings and baptisms at lake Atitlan near Panahachel and Solola (that I saw)

All of the participants are Kiche and are as poor as churchmice (hmmnnn interesting) but there is also the aspect of the second coming (of the god(s)) that attracts them. It is also taking away membership from the regular church-goers so a form of cannibalism that is not too difficult to swallow. Wink

Laurence Fishburne Junior · Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 418 Location: Belfast

Can I generalize for a minute.. All generalizations are dangerous (including this one hehe!!)... what's all this Jesuit stuff lately ????? Gary are you a racist or something???hehe!! IMHO this Jesuit stuff all started arriving late summer and has now reached stupid levels every were you go its on U Tube google video Rense Truthseeker What-really-really-fockin-didn't-happen-but-focken-coulda-so-yer-lucky-it-didin-happen.COM/disinfo/jesuits/whatabunchawankers/html ... First I heard was A Jones... Oh Alex Jones is a Jesuit.ffs run for the hill's and of course Henry Kissinger's a knight of Malta...Well at least we can all go home now frig.. theres me blaming the Zionists... shit!!?? Sorry I know were not allowed the Z word! forgot!!
check this Guy! he makes Alex Jones look slick he tell us Alex Jones is a Jesuit and uses Prisonplanet stuff in his video's along wit...God JFK and "the PRODIGY" what a dick head! <object><param></param><param></param>

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dilbert_g · Guest

Laurence, I don't know if what this video says about the corruption in the Jesuit order and Masonic symbols on rings is meaningful, or not. I'm not crusading against Jesuits, or into smearing Jesuits.

What did grab my attention was hearing E. Howard Hunt explain about overthrowing the allegedly communist leader of Guatemala (for taking uncultivated land from the United Fruit Company (and paying them their own claimed value for it), from wealthy Guate landowners, and from his own family, and giving it to poor people) and Hunt describing how Jesuits were helpful to the CIA in that staged coup.

Now, this was a CIA coup, not a Catholic coup. CIA handled the Guatemalan soldiers, turning them against Arbenz, or getting them to stand down. CIA flew the planes. CIA laid the propaganda. A thug named Peurifoy staged a lot of the internal stuff. His photo shows him looking like nothing but a mafiaoso thug, with a holstered gun, an enforcer.

The coup was at the behest of a business corporation which had a lot of tentacles into the White House and CIA. A lot of people had investments with United Fruit, or were very close to it. However, they were protecting not only this one investment, but like all imperialists, they feared that this land reform would set an example for other indigenous anti-slavery anti-imperialist movements in Latin America. Can't let the ni**ers get uppity. This was just like slavery - but exported to across the border where it would not look bad on American TVs.

http://www.merton.org/
Now I see, the Jesuits got a good name from Thomas Merton, but Merton was a Jesuit-rebel, who liked the mysticism but fought against the elitist establishment aspects of his institution, the social injustice.

Laurence Fishburne Junior · Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 418 Location: Belfast

bri · Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 2244 Location: Capacious Creek

I'm sure it's a little bit of everyone.

Can't we just blame the super rich? I guess that wouldn't be fair either.

Laurence Fishburne Junior · Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 418 Location: Belfast

One thing..... when studying all this Jesuit new world order info/disinfo... Birth Control.. The Catholic church has swam against the current regarding birth control/condoms etc for far to long for anyone to suggest they are running the NWO/CIA who of course are for depopulation and sterilisation 2 opposing agenda's.. The Jesuits in terms of world power are a myth.

Lord Carpainter · Joined: 15 Sep 2007 Posts: 259 Location: Canada

silverthread · Joined: 27 May 2009 Posts: 264 Location: USA

Yeah Lord Carpainter....

Well stated ; Well said...
The facts speak for themSelves AND...
VERY-LOUDly....I might add Exclamation

78th Frà [SMOM]... Andrew Bertie 1988-2008 and.. POPe

Current-Jesuit Black-Pope Adolfo Nicolás

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_General_of_the_Society_of_Jesus

The Catholic-Church is No-Doubt...
A gOOd moral-Foundation & Pillar
in the worlds' religious-Communities....

millions & millions of noble Catholics live as :
testaments to gOOd-Faith & Charitas-Agape...

Yet ,
we can NOT ; neither can Catholics ,
... turn a blind -eye to
Some higher-Ups in Catholic-Heirachcy....

Faithful Catholics were ALSO
made to take :
closer lOOk at some Catholic-'leaders' WHEN:
Pedephile-Charges Hit the fan Exclamation

GaryGo · Joined: 18 Nov 2008 Posts: 713

Hold on??

Is this ground hog day?

silverthread · Joined: 27 May 2009 Posts: 264 Location: USA

Yes...dilbert_g ,
U sparked my Interest in
Thomas Merton ;

so I surfed some Merton... info on The 'NET'

U wrote :
"the Jesuits got a good name from Thomas Merton,
but Merton was a Jesuit-rebel, who liked the mysticism

but fought against the elitist establishment aspects of his institution,
the social injustice..."

Well G , I'm sure there are Many sincere Jesuits , e.g. , like
malachi martin; author of :keys-of-this-blood..etc..etc.

Who fight :
'The elitist-establishment-aspects of their institution'...

Yet ,
Thomas Merton was NOT a Jesuit-rebel....BEcause :
He was NEVER In Jesuit-Order....

SEE : his Bio under ; "Vocation" :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Merton

It's a minor-point...AND Doesn't
subtract from Over-All value of what your sayin'....

Yet , it brought my attention to a Jesuit Priest who , like Merton ,
was Big-on-Civil-Rights & Social-Justice....

WHO ?...well :

Jesuit-Priest : John LaFarge

About LaFarge :

Using his training in philosophical Thomism, LaFarge argued

that human rights were natural to all people
regardless of race, class or creed;

the rights of individuals were not bestowed by governments,
but were merely protected by them.

The U.S. Constitution “is not the source or origin of our natural rights,” LaFarge argued.

“It is the governmental instrument by which the national sovereignty guarantees…
those natural rights

which the citizen enjoys by virtue of the very fact that he is a citizen
and as such is vested with certain rights as he is bound by certain duties.”

This argument impressed an unlikely reader,
Pope Pius XI, who in 1938 asked LaFarge
to help write an encyclical on racism, to be titled :
“The Unity of the Human Race”
(Humani Generis Unitas).
http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=11164

Jesuits OR SMOM... as organations COULDn't eXist AS :
purely EVIL-Enities...

WHY ?

BeCause good is the quintessential-5th element...
{i.e. some liken it To ether}... & withOut -It :

All Things Fall Apart QUICKLY ;
without some-Good therein....

note : Yet this theory can be debated by :
long-Overdue-eXistense of__:
neo-Nazis , KKKs , burning-hells et al , etc , etc.

P.S..
Yeah ; ....Right , it ain't 'Ground-Hogs-Days' YET GaryGo Cool

GaryGo · Joined: 18 Nov 2008 Posts: 713

Hmmmm? erm - i'm gonna pretend this is a good enough excuse to post this about Frank Brown

If you were one of those "Conspiracy Nutjobs" you might even suggest the Jesuits were behind the sinking of the Titanic after reading Franks Jesuit superiors intructions ....

From 1911 to 1916, Frank Browne studied Theology at Milltown Park in Dublin. It was during this period that his Uncle Robert (the Bishop of Cloyne) sent him an unusual present: a ticket for the first legs of the maiden voyage of the Titanic, sailing from Southampton to Cherbourg and then on to Queenstown (Cobh), Co Cork, Ireland.

While on board, an American millionaire offered to pay his way for the rest of the voyage to New York. On being appraised of this suggestion, Frank's Jesuit Superior cabled Queenstown saying, succinctly,“GET OFF THAT SHIP---PROVINCIAL”.

After the tragedy, Frank Browne’s photographs appeared on the front pages of newspapers around the world. He had taken the last picture of Captain Smith and the only one ever taken in the Marconi room. His series starts at Waterloo Station with the “Titanic Special” and documents the activities of passengers and crew aboard this unique ship, concluding with the anchor being raised from the water for the last time
http://www.fatherbrowne.com/
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WTF was the real story behind the sinking of the Titanic? The book 'The Secret Terrorists' printed by Truth Triumphant Ministries and reprinted by Tree of Life Resources places blame squarely on the Roman Catholic Order known as the Jesuits. 'The greatest tragedies in the last 200 years can be traced to the Jesuits.'
Founded in 1540, the Society of Jesus grew rapidly within the Catholic Church. They were confessors to the ruling families of Europe. They defend the Pope and Catholicism around the world in nearly every country. In 1773, Clement XIV suppressed the Jesuits. In 1814, Pope Pius VII responded to pressure and restored the Society. There are Jesuit colleges and ministries today. They are a very influential organization. Jesuits are dedicated to furthering Catholicism and the power of the Pope. Yet...there is a secret, negative side to this organization called 'the Society of Jesus.' For hundreds of years they carried out religious killings. They were the men in dark cloaks who carried daggers. (Were they the religious CIA for their time?)
In 1910, seven men met on Jekyll Island just off the coast of Georgia to plan the Federal Reserve Bank. Nelson Aldrich and Frank Valderclip represented the Rockefeller financial empire. Henry Davidson, Charles Norton and Benjamin Strong represented J.P. Morgan. Paul Warberg represented the Rothschilds Banking dynasty of Europe. The Rothschilds were the banking agents for the Jesuits and hold 'the key to the wealth of the Roman Catholic Church.'
The Morgan gang, the Rothschilds gang and the Rockefeller gang were fierce competitors yet entered joint ventures. They established the national banking cartel called the Federal Reserve System....according to G. Edward Griffin in 'The Creature From Jekyll Island (American Opinion Publishing P. 209). A review of this book stated: 'It tells a story of how bankers have lured politicians with easy money and end up in control of most of the world.'
[This writer travelled to Jekyll Island in 1970 with his college tennis team. I had such a beautiful moment there one night: I was alone and drawn to a lighthouse. There stood deer in the darkness drinking from a pond. In the moonlight, it was a sight I'd never forget. Little did I realize that this wonderful, winter-resort for the rich had an evil history. Jekyll Island was properly named].
The Rothschilds, Morgans and Rockefellers are controlled by the Jesuit Order. The most powerful of families 'do whatever is necessary to destroy constitutional liberty in America and bring the Pope to world domination.' Construction of the Titanic began in 1909; at a shipyard in Belfast, Ireland. Belfast was Protestant and hated by the Jesuits. Morgan took control of the White Star Lines. The Jesuits ordered J.P. Morgan to build the Titanic. From the very beginning of the luxury liner, the Titanic was destined for doom.
There were a number of powerful men who were NOT in favor of the Federal Reserve System. Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor opposed the formation of a F.R.S. These men were arguably the richest men in the world and stood in the way of the Jesuits' plan. 'These three men were coaxed and encouraged to board the floating palace.' Not only were these enemies of the Jesuits against a Federal Reserve Bank, but they would have used their wealth and influence to oppose World War I.
This was the 'maiden' voyage of the greatest ship ever built. The 'unsinkable' campaign assured passengers of comfortable safety. Many Irish, French and Italian Catholics were on board. Protestants from Belfast were also encouraged to immigrate to the United States on the Titanic. These were 'expendable' people; for the most part. But, the real reason for the ship's destruction was a game between the super rich whereby Guggenheim-Strauss-Astor could be eliminated. 'They had to be destroyed by a means so preposterous that no one would suspect they were murdered, and no one would suspect the Jesuits.'
The Captain of the Titanic was Edward Smith. He was a Jesuit and worked for J.P. Morgan. Anyone could be a Jesuit and their identity not be known. >From National Geographic 'The Secrets of the Titanic,' (1986):
When the ship departed southern England, on board was Francis Browne. He was the most powerful Jesuit in all of Ireland and the 'Jesuit Master of Edward Smith.' 'Here is Jesuit treachery at its finest. The provincial Father Francis Browne boards the Titanic, photographs the victims, most assuredly briefs the Captain concerning his oath as a Jesuit, and the following morning bids him farewell...' Eric J. Phelps, Vatican Assassins Halcon Unified Services. P. 247.
Captain Smith believed this high-ranking 'Jesuit General' was God. Browne instructed him on what to do in the North Atlantic waters. 'Edward Smith was given orders to sink the Titanic and that's exactly what he did.' According to Jesuit secret philosophy: The innocent can be massacred for the greater good; the ends justifies the means.
Captain Smith had been traveling the North Atlantic for 26 years. He was the 'world's most experienced master' in these cold waters. The Captain knew all along that his ship was built for the enemies of the Jesuits. Its purpose was always to be a 'deathship' and sink on its first voyage. Captain Smith also knew exactly where the icebergs were. Under secret orders, he propelled the Titanic full speed at 22 knots on a moonless night and through a huge ice field 80 square miles in area! He had been 'given orders from his God in the Vatican, and nothing would turn him from his course.'
Captain Smith's actions in his last hours were not those of a strong leader. He seemed as if he was wrestling with his conscience. Should he be the brave sea captain or obey his master and sink the ship?
There were purposely not enough lifeboats. Many of the lifeboats only had a few passengers of women and children during the emergency. White distress flares were jettisoned. Passing ships thought those aboard the Titanic were having a party. The distress flares should have been red. These examples were not because of an arrogant crew who believed the Titanic was unsinkable. These shortcomings were planned.
Those richest of men, who opposed the Federal Reserve System, were killed along with the middle and lower classes. John Jacob Astor's wife was rescued. Molly Brown was also saved. The sinking of the Titanic was possibly the greatest disaster of the 20th Century outside of the World Wars. According to 'The Secret Terrorists,' the cause of this tragedy was the Jesuit Order of the Roman Catholic Church.
'The unsinkable ship, the floating palace was created to be a tomb for the wealthy, who opposed the Federal Reserve System. On April 14th (the same date in history as the assassination of Abraham Lincoln) of 1912, the Titanic struck an iceberg and all opposition to the Federal Reserve was eliminated. In December of 1913, the Federal Reserve System came into being in the United States. Eight months later, the Jesuits had sufficient funding through the Federal Reserve Bank to begin World War I.' Notice the F.R.S. was established soon after the disaster of the Titanic.
The rich have always created unnecessary wars where the poor have to fight and die. The pages of 'The Secret Terrorists' do not specifically name the Templars, Freemasons or Illuminati. But these Secret Societies are related and do control: The banks; the money system; the oil companies; corporations; governments; the politicians; the military; the police; the law and judicial system; the churches; the schools; the media, etc., etc...
The rich and powerful have always ruled the world. The elite make the news; they create the great, international events. William Randolph Hearst invented the news and printed his propaganda in his paper.
It was the rich that purposely crashed the Stock Market in 1929 and caused the suffering of the Great Depression. The super rich had a highly-profitable, financial day during the Crash. It was the lesser-rich, want-to-be investors who lost everything.
IT IS NOT INCONCEIVABLE THAT WE HAVE HEARD SO MUCH ABOUT THE FAMOUS VOYAGE OF THE TITANIC BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST PERFECT CRIMES EVER COMMITTED!

Doug Yurschey

http://www.world-mysteries.com/doug_titanic1.htm

silverthread · Joined: 27 May 2009 Posts: 264 Location: USA

The "Conspiracy Nutjob" ...
U speak-of ; who wrote :
'Secret Terrorist' that U quote IS__:

A Seven-Day-Adventist ;
named , as ya' know , Pastor Bill Hughes....

Here's one of the Pastors' co-religionist...
Talkin' 'Stuff' about Ellen White & JESUITS :

Jesuit LIES About Ellen G. White EXPOSED! - Bingolly1
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A MOre reasonable Approach...
to lOOking at Catholic Church Pro & Cons ??

Well , One case in point would be :

This Guy :

eX-Jesuit-Priest Malachi Martin

Martins' "leaving of the order and the priesthood
has been explained by Martin's growing dissatisfaction
with the reforms of the Second Vatican Council,

but others argue that his traditionalist bent only came later
and that he sought the release to pursue a literary career..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachi_Martin
Martin was a Traditionalist...
[I.E. Conservative... didn't like
Pope John 23rds' Vatican 2-of 1962-65]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_Catholic

Here's Martin Talking about Catholic Church & NWO :

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ANOTHER Perspective of lOOking would be :

THis GUY :

Knight-Of-Malta Arvo Manhatten

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Manhattan

He was a Liberal....& for Vatican 2 ;
Yet critical of catholic church :

ABOUT Following video :
INFO in Video...
References works such as "The Vatican's Holocaust"
by Avro Manhattan

and "Convert or Die!" by Edmond Paris...

WHICH :
present the documented facts that the Catholic church
liquidated over 700,000 orthodox Serbians in Croatia,
Yugoslavia, during the years 1940-1945.

Check-It-OUT :
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Now , who ya gonna listen TO ???
A Seven-Day-Adventist ???

OR eX-Jesuit and Knight of Malta--member Exclamation

And WHO would U prefer ruling NWO :
Catholic Liberals & Liberals World-wide OR __:

Traditionalists acting Out 3rd secret of 'Fatima'....
because Pope John 23rd failed to act-RIGHT Question