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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:02 pm    Post subject: The NWO Took Out Benazir Bhutto Reply with quote

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It appears that this very politically sensitive report on the
assassination of Benazir Bhutto is too Hot for Google to index.


Here's a piece of text which appears in the article below:

Quote:
"Note that it was Carter who neatly paved the way for Reagan's
subsequent Afghan agenda. So, even today, the U.S. has official
sanction over the appointment of the I.S.I. leadership."

Searching for a long text string like that one above is the most
explicit and the most accurate online search you can perform.

That search finds this article on Yahoo HERE.

The search also works fine on Bing HERE.

So, now try it on Google HERE.

No luck? And yet this forum has always had high Google page rank.
The Google Bots scan this forum daily and any content posted here
shows up on Google searches within 24 hrs. Curious.

More about how we discovered this HERE.


Now read the article:



"She sacrificed her life, for the sake of
Pakistan and for the sake of this region.”

Afghan President Hamid Karzai



CONDI RICE AND NEGROPONTE
SEALED THE BHUTTO SACRIFICE


http://BreakForNews.com - 30th December, 2007
Research: Kathy McMahon, Report: Fintan Dunne

In the end it was her Harvard education, as much as anything else, that
got Benazir Bhutto killed. It formed a prism through which she viewed her
own dynastic political ambitions. Self-interested idealism was her undoing.
It was ruthlessly exploited to lead her to a predictable death. She was
carefully groomed to be a politically expedient sacrificial lamb.


Harvard, the U.S. State Department and the Council on Foreign Relations
form a triumvirate which perfectly articulates the outer surface of U.S.
foreign policy. But all that glisters is not gold, and beneath that outer
surface is an agenda which advances the unfettered greed of a global
predatory class with deep roots in the intelligence services of the G8
group of nations. Bhutto became grist in their geopolitical mill.

Primed by neoliberal Harvard idealism, she bought that outer surface.

It told her that with Musharraf on the decline and with the Pakistani people
restless under army rule, there was never a better time to relaunch the
Bhutto legacy. It told her that the U.S. needed to smooth the way to a
civilian government and that Bhutto was their prime choice for that task.

This rosy-hued Washington consensus told her that Musharraf could be
leaned on to do a deal and facilitate her return to Pakistan. It told her that
her father's old enemies, the terror-linked wing of Pakistan's Inter Services
Intelligence agency(ISI), could be contained by Musharraf and by the
Pakistani Army's paymasters - the U.S. itself.

It told her that her hour had come.

It had. Her very last hour was now but weeks away.


THE LABYRINTH

Beneath the surface of that glossy U.S. foreign policy is a rodent-infested
labyrinth of intelligence deception and political manipulation. A maze where
the actual goals differ markedly from the stated ones.


The labyrinth has some interesting twists. There is a path from the U.S.
to it's ally India. There is a path from the U.S. to another ally Pakistan.
Yet India and Pakistan are enemies?

There is a path from Musharraf via I.S.I. to the terrorist 'enemy.' Yet
Musharraf is an ally against terror? He looks more like the Mr. Plausible
Deniability of the G8's support of the very 'terrorists' they are fighting.

In truth, the CFR-dominated, so-called "international community" serves
up mere lip service to noble goals of peace, democracy and prosperity
for all nations. The kind of goals lauded in the halls of Harvard. But the
ideals are selectively applied. All nations are not equal. All do not prosper.

Despite this, capitalism and communications are rapidly leveling all nations.
This cruel reality is apparent to the current global economic power: the G8 group.
And so it serves their interests to unleash political and economic chaos in
selected Muslim and African states. These are to be kept from competing
economically and instead rendered compliant to G8 exploitation.

Pakistan is such a state. As are Iraq and Afghanistan. Along with Lebanon,
Sudan, DRC, Uganda and more. The destabilization of Pakistan is
required to engineer the introduction of NATO troops into the north to
fight the Taliban. Permanently.

But the U.S. & G8 no more wants to win the War on Terror than does the medical
monopoly want to win the War on Cancer. Neither outcome would be
profitable. Getting there is all the fun. The only game in town.

So Benazir would have been badly mistaken to believe the surface lie that
the U.S. wants a stable Pakistan in order to defeat terrorism. The reverse
is the case. The G8 want a chaotic Pakistan to ensure the continuation of
U.S. rule via Musharraf and continued U.S. and I.S.I. support for terror.



The engineering of chaos in nations is the G8 game. In Iraq it was achieved
by doing everything possible to destroy civil society and foster containable
armed resistance to the occupation. The result is that a U.S. Army which
could have exited Iraq in months is scheduled to remain forever as an army
of occupation. To ensure security, you see. Ditto, NATO in Afghanistan.

That was called colonialism in a earlier era.

Now it's called counter-terrorism. Neat.

So, how to ensure chaos in Pakistan? Already the U.S./NATO/G8 had
primed the Taliban with arms and funds via shady friends, so the media
was trumpeting a resurgent Taliban in Afghanistan on TV screens around
the globe. Next step was to raise the temperature in Pakistan.

To advance the chaos agenda, the best bang for their buck would be a
psychological operation along the lines of the massive Bali bomb or the
the assassination of Hariri in Lebanon. Something that would grip world
public imagination and legitimize subsequent military and political actions.

Which is where Benazir Bhutto came in. And quickly went out.


GROOMED FOR DEATH

For Benazir it must have seemed a dream come true. To be plucked from the
political wilderness and feted by the U.S. as it's sole ardent hope for Pakistan.
The Washington Post recounts how she was "suddenly visiting with top State
Department officials, dining with U.N. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad and
conferring with members of the National Security Council."
[1]

Too suddenly.

But, that was at the culmination of months of matchmaking between Washington
and Bhutto, managed by career foreign service officer Assistant U.S. Secretary of
State Richard Boucher, who has served under Madeleine Albright, Colin Powell and
now Condoleezza Rice. He is a 'Baker Boy' --elevated by Jim Baker in 1989.

Boucher also arranged two deal-making meetings between Bhutto and Musharraf
in Dubai. But after the Bhutto assassination he backed Musharraf unreservedly and
called for elections go forward on Jan 8, as scheduled before Bhutto's killing. [2]

Being a 'Baker Boy' Boucher would be at home with the likes of current U.S. Deputy
Secretary of State John Negroponte, who as Mr. See-No-Evil, blindly oversaw murderous
mass political eliminations by U.S. during it's Reagan-era South American dirty wars.
Negroponte is these days a Mr. Fixit for the same 'Boys.'

So, next up Negroponte himself became involved in the Bhutto issue and eventually in
September, 2007 he went to Islamabad, supposedly to hack a deal with Musharraf [1]

It must have seemed plain sailing, but Bhutto was moving through dangerous waters,
and was getting deeply embroiled with an arm of the Bush/Reagan shadow government.



The 'Baker Boys' [3] are part of a crew which includes Ollie North, John Negroponte,
CIA Director William Casey, Edwin Meese and a host of political, financial, military
and semi-legitimate intelligence interests. Their power is that of George Bush Snr..[4]
Mr. New World Order himself. The Iraq Study Group is one current political face.

While GW Junior, the Neocons and the U.S. Military PsyOp boys fight a propaganda
war in the media, the Baker Boys 'n Girls in the Iraq Study Group form part of what the
Washington Post coyly refers to as "foreign policy elites" --who call the shots from
behind the scenes.

They do more. As Oliver North showed, the arrival of this Bush/Reagan group was where
the surface U.S. policies began to merely palely reflect the criminal objectives of a
de facto inner government with secret and ruthless methods. This cabal are to this day
still in power, and have by now a global G8 reach.

These are the people who ushered in the Reagan era with the staged release of Tehran's
U.S. hostages. These are the people who played the Iranians against the Iraqis in war.
And sold arms to both sides. These boys devised the economy-wrecking World Bank
and IMF scams. These are the ones who demonized and removed Milosevic and then
Saddam while taking Eastern Europe and Asia at China's border, for NATO.

In other words, completely ruthless, duplicitous, geopolitical schemers.

Least this harsh reality might somehow dawn on Bhutto, perhaps it was reassuring that
Condi Rice then also personally became involved. And it was Condi who made the phone
call that finally sealed Bhutto's return to Pakistan. For Harvard-educated Bhutto, getting
reassurances from a former Stanford Provst must have been quite cozy and consensual.

Pity for Bhutto that the surface mantras about bringing stability to Pakistan were the exact
opposite of the outcome desired by those whom we may call the New World Order, for short.
Or the G8 for even shorter.

The outcome they desired is precisely the one they have now attained.


ORGANIZED CHAOS

If Pakistan is in chaos, it's a meticulously arranged chaos. The opposition is in shreds, now
facing Musharraf rule by default if they boycott the election, else a postponement which would
solidify Musharraf's grip against a backdrop of crisis. Exactly the tactics that in 2000 and in
2004 got Bush elected and reelected in the U.S., by the way.


What a sweet outcome for Washington and it's hand-picked local pro-consul. Their ever-
reliable cut-out, Mr. Scapegoat, is home and dry. Described by Aziz Huq in the Nation:

Quote:
"The death of the major opposition leader will make it easier for Musharraf
to assemble a parliamentary coalition to do his bidding in the coming January
elections. It renders more distant the possibility of elections that are not
manipulated and leaders who respond to the people rather than to bosses in
uniform. And it makes it less likely that the Pakistani military will shift from its
symbiotic entanglement with religious hardliners at the polls and in the streets."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20071227/cm_thenation/20080107huq

Aziz continues by bemoaning the outcome of what he sees as U.S. 'incompetence':

Quote:
"....on September 12, 2001, there was one failed state that could be a terrorist
haven. Today, it is violently and tragically clear that the Administration's policies
have wrought two more failed states that could, and likely will, sustain terrorist
activities in the future."

Which by any standards is an achievement of outstanding competence!
Because you can't have a multi-generational was against terrorism (see: Rumsfeld, Donald)
unless you ensure that you have a well-funded and well-marketed terrorist
enemy to wage war against in the first place.

And you must ensure that an inconvenient democracy in Pakistan does not rob the terrorists
of their home bases in Afghanistan and Pakistan. These mountain guerillas are the extras
drafted in to be morphed by the media into the news-friendly Al-Qaeda global terror force,
as if in some dated Bond movie. They need somewhere to be notionally based.

Pakistan is now home base, according to Strategic Forecasting, Inc., more commonly known
as Stratfor, a private intelligence agency based in Austin, Texas. Rather predictably, Stratfor
blames Al-Qaeda for the assassination, but even the subtle propagandists of Stratfor admit:

"This assassination could not have been possible without the jihadists
being enabled by elements within the government... " [6]



That is precisely the issue on which a staged controversy about the cause of Bhutto's
death is focusing media attention. The Pakistani Interior Ministry is saying she died of a
blow to the head from a sunroof handle. This preposterous claim comes against considerable
video and medical evidence that Bhutto was shot twice:

"A doctor on the team that treated her said she had a bullet in the back of
the neck that damaged her spinal cord before exiting from the side of her head.
Another bullet pierced the back of her shoulder and came out through her chest.
....the main cause of death was damage to her spinal cord, he said....." [7]



The medical reports are backed by compelling video showing a handgun being fired
three times at Bhutto. But this may not have been the only gunfire. There are eyewitness
accounts of a sniper or snipers, and the fatal shot may have been taken by a professional
operating under cover of the visible assassin's fire. The proximate cause of Bhutto's death
was a shot which struck her spine at the back of the neck. The spine at the nape of
the neck is a reliable target for a profesional head shot. It moves about less than
the head itself, and is as fatal a shot.


THE I.S.I. STRAW MAN

But why the widely-disbelieved Pakistani government claims that there were no gunshot
injuries to Bhutto? Likely the goofy claims are on instructions from U.S. controllers.
A lightning-rod to deliberately attract blame onto the I.S.I. . Better that the I.S.I.
take the heat, before people remind themselves that the I.S.I. is merely the Pakistan
office of the C.I.A.. And has been, ever since the U.S. inspired anti-Soviet genesis of
Al-Qaeda under Carter in 1979.


Note that it was Carter who neatly paved the way for Reagan's subsequent Afghan agenda.
So, even today, the U.S. has official sanction over the appointment of the I.S.I. leadership.

Therefore if the I.S.I allowed or planned the assassination of Bhutto, it was with the full
complicity of it's intimate bosses in the C.I.A., and among the intel-ridden, backroom
'Baker Boys'. The latter handle the issues too dirty even for the C.I.A.

And so, the I.S.I. is hung out as scapegoat again. Just as with 9/11, when I.S.I. boss
Mohammad Ahmad was whispered to have wired $100,000 to Mohammed Atta to fund
the 9/11 attacks.

Anyway, even within the narrow limits of the official story (where the I.S.I. is somehow a law
unto itself) wasn't Musharraf supposed to have kept the I.S.I. in line as part of his deal with
the Negroponte, Rice, the NSC, the C.I.A. and Bush's State Department?

Wasn't that the reason why Bhutto could even consider returning to Pakistan?

So where is the outrage against Musharraf's supposed treachery? Where were the dire
warnings to Musharraf after the first assassination bid on Bhutto? All strangely absent.
Musharraf allegedly plunges U.S. policy in Asia into chaos and within hours he gets
the unreserved support of the U.S.

Of course, if chaos is the desired goal, it would be rude to scorn him for a job well done.
Let the I.S.I. take the heat, as usual. Let's pretend. Let's pretend we believe the surface.


THE EVIL TWINS MEET BHUTTO

Let's pretend we haven't spotted the following sequence of events. The U.S. has
been hammering away for months at the need for close cooperation between
Pakistan and Afghanistan in order to defeat cross-border terrorists. The day before Bhutto
was murdered, Musharraf and Afghan president Hamid Karzai meet to discuss the issue.


Their meeting was described as "unusually cordial and friendly." [8]



Karzai, who repeatedly called Musharraf 'my brother' during their news conference, vowed to
improve intelligence sharing between the two countries to defeat militants. Said Karzai:
"Afghanistan and Pakistan are twins. More than that, they are joined at the body." [9]

In the wake of such glowing relations it's no surprise that Stratfor are already predicting that
US Special Forces will soon increase their presence in Pakistan and that the country is to
become the central battlefield for an al-Qaeda supposedly being driven from Iraq.
"The first Special Forces personnel could be on the ground in Pakistan early in the
new year", says Stratfor.

Early in the new year, eh? That's not wasting any time. But Stratfor notes that all this has
"coincided with disclosure of a 15-year 'anti-terror investment plan' for Pakistan that has been
high on the agenda of US Deputy Sec. of State John Negroponte in recent visits to Islamabad." [8]

Ah! So Negroponte had more than Bhutto on his mind when visiting Islamabad. He also had big
plans for a major U.S. anti-terror expansion in Pakistan. The later meeting between Karzai and
Musharraf on the day before Bhutto's assassination was a key element of that ongoing plan.

How convenient then, that just a day after the two U.S. puppets met on U.S. cue to advance
U.S. anti-terror policy, a political assassination took place which pushed that cooperation
deal into the spotlight and served as a launching pad for a full-blown military alliance between
Pakistan and Afghanistan under U.S. tutelage.

An assassination which escalates the War on Terror with an international dimension and thus
takes domestic heat off the unpopular U.S. occupation of Iraq; while playing out an anti-terror
soap opera to a world fed by a compliant media.

Promoters often bring in a big name star to garner publicity for launching their wares.

They don't usually get the publicity by killing the star though.



On that fateful day, fresh from his meeting with Musharraf, the Afghan president Karzai meet
with Musharraf's enemy Benazir Bhutto, just before she attended her tragic last political rally.

The parting handshake she got from Karzai was fittingly, a handshake of death.

Later, Karzai --who should know about these things-- said Bhutto had sacrificed her life, for
the sake of Pakistan, "and for the sake of this region.” [10]

Close. But the sacrifice was arranged.


EPILOG

Bhutto had just BEEN sacrificed.
For the sake U.S. interests in the region and the U.S./NATO/G8 War on Terror.


As were thousands of far more innocent people on 9/11.
And for exactly the same hidden duplicitous reasons.

But let's pretend.

Let's just blame the I.S.I.

Let's pretend Condi meant it when she signed the Bhutto book of condolences.

Let's pretend Bush Snr. and the Baker Boys haven't been in power since Kennedy.

Let's pretend that when the G8 leaders said after the London bombings that they would
protect us from terrorism, that they weren't already busy fostering that very terrorism.

Let's even pretend 9/11 was orchestrated by terrorists.


29th Dec., 2007 by Fintan Dunne, with research by Kathy McMahon.

Digg This: http://digg.com/political_opinion/Condi_Negroponte_Sealed_Bhutto_s_Fate


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REFERENCES

Video:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sTfNll93JU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7msb84xau4E
http://broadband.indiatimes.com/News/Bhutto_assassination_Sequence_of_events_/videoshow/2656202.cms
http://www.channel4.com/player/v2/player.jsp?showId=10619#

References:

1. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/27/AR2007122701481.html

2. http://www.dawn.com/2007/12/29/top11.htm

3. http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7550#7550
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7067#7067
http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9905#9905

4. http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=986

5. http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20071227/cm_thenation/20080107huq

6. http://rednation.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=1876243%3ABlogPost%3A153
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9. http://thepost.com.pk/Arc_Fb_ShortNews.aspx?fbshortid=2581&fcatid=14&date=12/27/2007&bcatid=14&bstatus=Archive

10. http://www.forbes.com/markets/economy/2007/12/27/pakistan-bhutto-update-markets-emerge-cx_rd_1227markets26.html


Further References by Kathy McMahon:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/BENAZIR_BHUTTO_ASSASSINATED/articleshow/2655962.cms
http://broadband.indiatimes.com/videoshow/2656278.cms
http://broadband.indiatimes.com/News/Bhutto_assassination_Sequence_of_events_/videoshow/2656202.cms
http://broadband.indiatimes.com/default.cms
http://www.newslogging.com/general-news/in-pictures-bhuttos-last-journey
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/27/bhutto.photographer/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1698562,00.html?xid=rss-topstories
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1698562,00.html?xid=rss-topstories
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Zinni
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1683427.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2232724,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2232619,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2232735,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2232496,00.html
http://broadband.indiatimes.com/videoshow/2657514.cms
http://broadband.indiatimes.com/News/Benazir_at_her_last_election_rally/videoshow/2657159.cms
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Doctors_struggled_to_revive_Bhutto_Hospital_report/articleshow/2657770.cms
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3100052.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00259/friday12_255x385_259669a.jpg
http://www.upi.com/International_Security/Emerging_Threats/Analysis/2007/12/27/analysis_who_killed_bhutto/2983/
http://brilliantatbreakfast.blogspot.com/2007/12/rip-benazir-bhutto.html
http://technorati.com/posts/gTItS%2BWYrwxrcufLuSEQGDkxvKGwnmSrJOgk37TX37A%3D
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019343.php
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/28/world/asia/28pakistan.html?hp
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http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/dec-2007/29/index6.php
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1698828,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/photoessay_2975_images/1227071422_M_122707_bhutto27.jpg
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318787,00.html
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http://www.dawn.com/2007/12/28/top1.htm
http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=88039
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhutto told the world Osama is dead. 6:12

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ

That's another reason she had to go. You can't have leaders willing to tell the truth.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great Post and Hats off to Fintane and Cathy!.... its definatly the first report I have read on this that has made sense...... The King is not dead! Long live the king ................................................................................ The contrived cold bloodedness of this event is breath taking.. a psyops of horror.....yet her Son and Husband have also signed up to join the queue.. Musharrif has survived many attempts on his life but how long would you give him now??.. do you think Musharrif will get to enjoy this Spring?? He has certainly profoundly elevated the Kudos of the family of the person who eventually gets him....and they will get to him after this. Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make it plain Brother Finrtan, make it plain Bro!

I knew you would come back with a big bang!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paradox wrote:
Bhutto told the world Osama is dead. 6:12

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ

That's another reason she had to go. You can't have leaders willing to tell the truth.


If you watch the interview on the BBC website you will find the 4 second part where she said that edited out. In the unedited video where she mentions Omar Sheikh murdering OBL the BBC version cuts to David Frost for a few seconds to cover up the visual discontinuity that would be there if Bhutto was shown saying "...murdered Bin Laden".

I suspect this could be another red herring but interesting none the less.


Great analysis Fintan and Kathy.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan and Kathy, you're oh so Very Welcome (back ;-)

A not entirely unimagined assassination. But in the unusual personal fervor noted by this correspondent... a shade of "I've been to the Mountaintop" precognition? In the unusual pre-announcement of this venue as opposed to past ones also noted by this correspondent... a shade of willful complicity among its organizers?

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NYT 27-Dec-2007: Last moments, audio + slideshow voice of John Moore
audio stream, for archiving [MP3, 3,266,377 bytes]



With Benazir Bhutto, she was always known for her white head scarf, and I thought showing the head scarf from behind with all the people in the background, would be evidence who it was.



She was very emotional during this campaign rally. It was all in Urdu, and I don't speak Urdu, so I asked one of my Pakistani colleagues what she was talking about, he said



she's saying we need to fight terrorism, we need to fight Al-Qaeda, and she was doing it with such passion.. I said, does she always yell into the microphone during these demos...? he said no, this is very rare, she's very much into it.



And when she left at the end of the rally, the crowd flocked out to the street and surrounded her car, danced in one of the [pictures?] it was very emotional, maybe one of the reasons why she took a chance and decided to



stand up through that sun roof despite clear and present danger. It was dusk, the light was going fast, the car was moving slowly but the crowd was joustling her... and that was maybe the last image,



certainly the last image I took before she died. The car surged forward a little bit, I saw through the corner of my eye her through the sunroof waving, a couple of shots were fired and she went down, she fell down through the sunroof into the car.



And right at that moment I raised my camera and started shooting with the high speed motor drive, that's why you see the blast in some of the frames,



the fireball and the people running,



none of it in focus of course because all I did was raise my camera and start shooting.



This man was one of her supporters, there were many people that came out to greet her, some of them were close to the vehicle, others were further away and were not injured.



He was not injured but he immediately appeared on the scene walking through the crowd in a state of shock,



his emotion was just overwhelming.



In the last couple weeks she has been having campaign rallies, but they've been very small, on the spur of the moment,



so that would-be attackers would not have time to prepare. And this one was announced way in advance --



we knew a week ago that she was going to have this campaign rally in this place on this day. And so clearly it was a dangerous situation.



I personally tried to stay clear of the areas where they were doing the body searches, for the supporters going into the grounds



for the rally, because I thought that's where a bomber might set off his or her charge, but as it turned out, they planned much better...



they knew their target. They wanted to get her and they did.



From Raoul [?] this is John Moore from Getty Images.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seems weird to congratulate someone for demonstrating how truly f'd up the world is, doesn't it? Smile

in all seriousness it is this kind of analysis that makes it easier for all of us to reach the important people in our lives. personally, I have had what I might consider my first "breakthrough." It's amazing how much it helps to talk to someone about these things, outside of the internet.

and to use an acronym that I think was invented here at the office where I work (and may be the worst acronym ever created)

KUTGW! (Keep up the good work)

incredible images btw Hocus...wow
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice Stuff
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:31 pm    Post subject: She hit her head. Sheesh. Reply with quote

Oh you conspiracy types! She died after hitting her head on a lever on the sunroof as she ducked to avoid the suicide bomber.

I read it in the NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/31/world/asia/31inquiry.html?_r=1&ex=1356757200
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New Questions Arise in Killing of Ex-Premier
By JANE PERLEZ
Published: December 31, 2007
LAHORE, Pakistan — New details of Benazir Bhutto’s final moments, including indications that her doctors felt pressured to conform to government accounts of her death, fueled the arguments over her assassination on Sunday and added to the pressure on Pakistan’s leaders to accept an international inquiry.

Athar Minallah, a board member of the hospital where Ms. Bhutto was treated, released her medical report along with an open letter showing that her doctors wanted to distance themselves from the government theory that Ms. Bhutto had died by hitting her head on a lever of her car’s sunroof during the attack.

In his letter, Mr. Minallah, who is also a prominent lawyer, said the doctors believed that an autopsy was needed to provide the answers to how she actually died. Their request for one last Thursday was denied by the local police chief.

Pakistani and Western security experts said the government’s insistence that Ms. Bhutto, a former prime minister, was not killed by a bullet was intended to deflect attention from the lack of government security around her. On Sunday, Pakistani newspapers covered their front pages with photographs showing a man apparently pointing a gun at her from just yards away.

Her vehicle came under attack by a gunman and suicide bomber as she left a political rally in Rawalpindi, where the Pakistani Army keeps its headquarters, and where the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency has a strong presence.

The government’s explanation, that Ms. Bhutto died after hitting her head as she ducked from the gunfire or was tossed by the force of the suicide blast, has been greeted with disbelief by her supporters, ordinary Pakistanis and medical experts. While some of the mystery could be cleared up by exhuming the body, it is not clear whether Ms. Bhutto’s family would give permission, such is their distrust of the government.

Mr. Minallah distributed the medical report with his open letter to the Pakistani news media and The New York Times. He said the doctor who wrote the report, Mohammad Mussadiq Khan, the principal professor of surgery at the Rawalpindi General Hospital, told him on the night of Ms. Bhutto’s death that she had died of a bullet wound.

Dr. Khan declined through Mr. Minallah to speak with a reporter on the grounds that he was an employee of a government hospital and was fearful of government reprisals if he did not support its version of events.

The medical report, prepared with six other doctors, does not specifically mention a bullet because the actual cause of the head wound was to be left to an autopsy, Mr. Minallah said. The doctors had stressed to him that “without an autopsy it is not at all possible to determine as to what had caused the injury,” he wrote.

But the chief of police in Rawalpindi, Saud Aziz, “did not agree” to the autopsy request by the doctors, Mr. Minallah said in his letter.

A former senior Pakistani police official, Wajahat Latif, who headed the Federal Investigative Agency in the early 1990s, said that in “any case of a suspected murder an autopsy is mandatory.” To waive an autopsy, Mr. Latif said, relatives were required to apply for permission.

At a news conference Sunday, Ms. Bhutto’s husband, Asif Ali Zardari, said he had declined a request for a post-mortem examination. “It was an insult to my wife, an insult to the sister of the nation, an insult to the mother of the nation,” he said. “I know their forensic reports are useless. I refuse to give them her last remains.”

The question of an autopsy has become central to the circumstances of Ms. Bhutto’s death because of conflicting versions put forward by the Pakistani government, which have stirred an already deep well of distrust of the government among Ms. Bhutto’s supporters and other Pakistanis.

On the night Ms. Bhutto was assassinated, an unidentified Interior Ministry spokesman was quoted by the official Pakistani news agency as saying that she had died of a “bullet wound in the neck by a suicide bomber.”

The next day, Brig. Javed Iqbal Cheema, the Interior Ministry spokesman, recast that version of events, saying at a news conference that Ms. Bhutto died of a wound sustained when she hit her head on a lever attached to the sun roof of the vehicle as she ducked a bullet and was thrown about by the force of the blast. “Three shots were fired but they missed her,” Brigadier Cheema said. “Then there was an explosion.”

The new images of the men who appear to have been Ms. Bhutto’s assassins showed one dressed in a sleeveless black waistcoat and rimless sunglasses, and holding aloft what appeared to be a gun. He had a short haircut and wore the kind of attire reminiscent of plainclothes intelligence officials, though Al Qaeda and other militants have also been known to dress attackers in Western-style clothing in order to disguise them.

That man is seen standing in front of another whose head is covered in a shawl in the style of Pashtun men from the Pakistan’s tribal areas, where Al Qaeda has regrouped in the past year. He is described in the newspaper Dawn as the suicide bomber.

Mr. Minallah, the hospital board member, said Ms. Bhutto’s doctors raised the likelihood of a bullet killing her in their report, when they wrote, “Two to three tiny radio-densities underneath fracture segment are observed on both projections.”

The report said the doctors tried for 41 minutes to revive her. It said “the patient was pulseless and was not breathing,” when she arrived at the hospital. “A wound was present on the right temporoparietal region, through which blood was trickling down and whitish material which looked like brain matter was visible in the wound,” it said.


Ms. Bhutto’s colleagues who were in the vehicle with her said the interior was covered in blood, and the doctors wrote that “her clothes were soaked with blood.”

An account of her death that did not involve a gunshot wound was the optimal explanation for the government, said Bruce Riedel, an expert on Pakistan at the Brookings Institution in Washington, and a former member of the National Security Council in the Clinton administration. “If there is a gunshot wound, the security was abysmal,” Mr. Riedel said. The government did not want to be exposed on its careless approach to security, he said.

On Sunday, Ms. Bhutto’s husband, Mr. Zardari, said he received a call from the Punjab home secretary on Thursday evening with a request for his permission for a post-mortem examination. He said he refused because he did not trust the government investigation to prove the cause of her death.

In ordinary circumstances, an autopsy runs counter to Islamic belief that a body should not be tampered with and should be buried as quickly as possible. But several Pakistanis said that in certain classes of Muslim society, particularly the better educated and more urban people, autopsies were not ruled out on religious grounds.

There were also provisions under Pakistani law for the exhumation of a body and a delayed post-mortem, Mr. Latif, the former senior Pakistani police official, said. In those cases, the state or a family can ask a magistrate for exhumation. The magistrate then forms a board of doctors to carry out the procedures, he said.

An international inquiry on Ms. Bhutto’s death could not be carried out without an exhumation, a difficult decision in a Muslim country, Mr. Latif said.

In response to a question at a heated news conference Saturday, Brigadier Cheema, the Interior Ministry spokesman, said the government was ready to exhume the body if the family asked.

But Ms. Bhutto’s supporters noted that the family and the party were so furious at President Musharraf, whom many of them blame for her death, that it was unlikely the Bhuttos would trust an exhumation that involved the government.

Pressure came from a number of quarters for an inquiry modeled after one carried out by the United Nations after the assassination of Rafik Hariri, a former Lebanese prime minister, in 2005.

Though the Lebanon inquiry has moved very slowly, American and British officials, as well as an increasing number of Pakistanis, said that an investigation under the United Nations or some other international effort would restore confidence in the Pakistani government.


On Sunday a conference of Ms. Bhutto’s party, the Pakistan Peoples Party, called for an inquiry led by the United Nations.

The Speaker of the House of Representatives in the United States Congress, Nancy Pelosi, said Saturday that the Bush administration should condition its future aid to Pakistan on its willingness to undertake an independent international inquiry.

David Miliband, the British foreign secretary, said Britain was ready to offer whatever help was needed.

Brigadier Cheema made clear, however, that an international inquiry was not in the cards. “At this point in time we are quite confident with the kind of progress that is going on with our inquiries,” he said Sunday.


Foreign experts did not have the expertise, he said, to deal with the peculiarities of tribal areas that are the base of the nation’s terrorist activities. “This is not just an ordinary criminal case where you only need forensic expert,” he said. “We understand the dynamics better.”

Somini Sengupta contributed reporting from Karachi, Pakistan.


Ok, well maybe a bullet did cause her death.

It sucks. For her faults, she seemed to be a decent soul. The attack illustrates the ruthlessness of the elites, and also their desperation to keep Pakistan in a state of unrest.

I wish the fsckers who carried it out no luck and lots of ill will in the new year.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

paradox wrote:
Bhutto told the world Osama is dead. 6:12

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ

That's another reason she had to go. You can't have leaders willing to tell the truth.

Bhutto also told the world that Osama was alive shortly before and one day after the David Frost interview...

June 2007...

Mush's toppling, not a nightmare for West: Bhutto
9 Jun 2007 (The Times Of India)

"If the Taliban are eliminated, or if their poster-boy Osama bin Laden is caught, the international cries for restoration of democracy will only deepen"
LINK

Oct 2007...

Bhutto Would Let U.S. Target Bin Laden
Pakistan Opposition Leader Benazir Bhutto Would Accept U.S. Aid in Targeting Osama Bin Laden
Oct 1, 2007 (AP)

"If there is overwhelming evidence, I would hope that I would be able to take Osama bin Laden myself without depending on the Americans,"
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3676687

November 3, 2007, a day after the David Frost interview...

CNN NEWSROOM
Benazir Bhutto Reacts To State Of Emergency; Crisis Of Violence In Pakistan
Aired November 3, 2007

"I don't think General Musharraf personally knows where Osama bin Laden is, but I do feel that people around him are many who are associated with the earlier military dictatorship of the '80s."
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0711/03/cnr.06.html


No conspiracy there, dood.

She simply misspoke. She meant to say Daniel Pearl, who was killed by Omar Saeed Sheikh, according to the official line. FYI he's been in prison since February 2002.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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These are the people who played the Iranians against the Iraqis in war.
And sold arms to both sides. These boys devised the economy-wrecking World Bank
and IMF scams. These are the ones who demonized and removed Milosevic and then
Saddam while taking Eastern Europe and Asia at China's border, for NATO.


Thank you. Esp the banking trickery.

Some people think that the reason Slobodan was removed was that he refused to let the bankers gain a foothold there.......
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stallion4 wrote:
paradox wrote:
Bhutto told the world Osama is dead. 6:12

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ

That's another reason she had to go. You can't have leaders willing to tell the truth.

Bhutto also told the world that Osama was alive shortly before and one day after the David Frost interview...

June 2007...

Mush's toppling, not a nightmare for West: Bhutto
9 Jun 2007 (The Times Of India)

"If the Taliban are eliminated, or if their poster-boy Osama bin Laden is caught, the international cries for restoration of democracy will only deepen"
LINK

Oct 2007...

Bhutto Would Let U.S. Target Bin Laden
Pakistan Opposition Leader Benazir Bhutto Would Accept U.S. Aid in Targeting Osama Bin Laden
Oct 1, 2007 (AP)

"If there is overwhelming evidence, I would hope that I would be able to take Osama bin Laden myself without depending on the Americans,"
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3676687

November 3, 2007, a day after the David Frost interview...

CNN NEWSROOM
Benazir Bhutto Reacts To State Of Emergency; Crisis Of Violence In Pakistan
Aired November 3, 2007

"I don't think General Musharraf personally knows where Osama bin Laden is, but I do feel that people around him are many who are associated with the earlier military dictatorship of the '80s."
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0711/03/cnr.06.html


No conspiracy there, dood.

She simply misspoke. She meant to say Daniel Pearl, who was killed by Omar Saeed Sheikh, according to the official line. FYI he's been in prison since February 2002.


Yeh but it is strange how the interview on the BBC website has that specific part edited out dont you think?

http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?q=frost+bhutto&btn=Search&uri=%2F&scope=all&go=toolbar
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an excerpt from an article written from Pakistan, which show what some people are experiencing in the aftermath of Bhutto's murder.

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Many people here seriously doubt the supposed Al-Qaeda link; it's too easy to blame the same suspects for every act of violence here. One can blame Musharraf's government for failing to provide adequate security at the rallies, for declaring emergency and the general instability it has created. But people in Pakistan -- intellectuals, the educated cadres -- are angry at another party too, the U.S. government.

People talk about how the U.S. government "engineered" Bhutto's return to Pakistan, forcing Musharraf to drop corruption charges against her, even though he was unwilling to do so (while Nawaz Sharif did not receive the same treatment). Bhutto as well as Musharraf knew of the dangers involved in her return -- in the compromise she struck with Musharraf; in her open support for U.S. policies; and in what she would do if she were prime minister. Yet she invited danger by sticking her head out of her armored vehicle at the rally in Liaquat Bagh yesterday, the same place where Pakistan's first prime minister Liaquat Ali Khan was assassinated in 1951.

And now that the country seems to have descended into chaos, many Pakistanis feel that other parties may have something to gain -- Musharraf's opponents within the country, for instance, or even the U.S. for an opportunity to intervene more directly in the affairs of this strategic Muslim-majority nuclear power.

As I speak, the city of Karachi is in flames. The army has been called in, and a friend in Karachi feels a Musharraf-PPP showdown is looming in the city. The PPP, now under the control of Benazir's husband Asif Zardari, feels invincible because of its loss. "Any voice of criticism against the PPP (in Karachi) is like signing your death warrant," my friend says.

My cousin's wedding, scheduled for tomorrow at a big banquet hall in a fancy hotel, is now canceled, replaced by a small reception at their home.

We are sick and tired of politics. We don't care who's ruling anymore -- we just want peace.

And we need prayers for Pakistan -- prayers and positive support.

Manal
December 28th, Lahore
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Pakistani people are really strange, to say the least. All the strife in the country and they appoint a nineteen year old boy to lead the opposition party, just because he is a Bhutto! They don’t have experienced grown MEN and Woman to do the job?

It is clear that they are afraid and intimidated by the Islamic jihadist ( as well they should be, for they are blood thirsty murderers) and if they think they aren’t so bad, then let them have a government like the Theocracy in Iran, and soon they will be crying for Musharraf to return.

There are no good guys in this fight, only lesser of evils.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rumsfeld's in the basement mixing up the medicine.
I'm on the internet reading about the government.

Musharefs in a trench coat. Just got laid off.
Chaos in the third world, gonna get paid off.

Lookout kids, they keep the truth hid. The boy's knew when and they're doing it again....

Hermione's' got fleet foot, Collin's got black soot.
Talking about the shares put, US in the red but.

Competition must bust, orders from the D.C.

People got to wake up, winners of a gold cup,
they're walking on our tip toes. fluoride in our no dose....

She should have ducked down the ally way. looking for a new prey.
Gotta be a bum to shake hands and chew gum.

and the sun roof don't work, cause her head hit the handle.

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