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aAzzAa
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| Quote: | | You have done nothing to convince anyone that you are not just another nutcase and disinfo agent. Your old shit is just old, not accurate. |
Couldn't have said it better about you Grumpy.
Well Grumpy, did FEMA, FBI or ATF actually look for evidence of explosives? You clearly stated that NIST deemed it not necessary. Why would they have to "deem" anything if there had been an analysis carried out into possible use of explosives? You are hiding behind scientific speil. |
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anima_kulture
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:06 am Post subject: 9/11 Audio: Twin Towers Built for Demo Pt2? |
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That quote is obviously from an entirely different thread all together. Taken without doubt, out of context, and 100% guaranteed not referenced at Grumpy, or yourself... or even Peter.
1. How to SPELL s-p-i-e-l
2. Scientific spiel... I don't know, a scientist based in the States probably would not waste too much time playing spiel games. (it is just not common here) Thats more of a Canadian scientist game. (for anyone not getting this, look it up) 
3. I am really not adding much value to the thread, I am for the most part, just typing stuff and things and junk. 
4. | Quote: | | Hey , what time is "Keeping Up Appearances" on tv man? |
This quote is also from an entirely different thread, but hey I thought who even cares about what text goes with what topic. Or who even cares about who typed what, and to whom.
5. m0nnybags62, I like the trade but Sanchez won't like the idea at all, he is CRAZY! ( don't mind this one, I am just responding to another poster, in another thread, on another forum) 
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Grumpy
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:05 am Post subject: |
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aAzzAa
Does the phrase "Explosives sniffing dogs" mean anything to you??? Does the fact that all the dust studies found not a hint of any Nitrates tickle any part of your(so called) brain??? Do you not think that, given the attack in 93, that that would be the FIRST thing tested for???(hint, it was, by both the FBI and ATF, in fact, in the famous first impact video, the instrument the Fire chief was holding in his hand IS AN EXPLOSIVE GASES DETECTOR, as FEMA was in the middle of their training excersize(held several times yearly since 93)FOR JUST THAT SORT OF ATTACK(explosives)).
Just how STOOOPID can you get??? Oh, sorry, I forgot who it was I was talking to!!! Between you and Chrisbot, I'm surprised either of you can remember to breath on a regular basis!!!
Grumpy 
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Peter
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:14 am Post subject: Splitting hairs with a curling iron? |
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| anima_kulture wrote: | That quote is obviously from an entirely different thread all together. Taken without doubt, out of context, and 100% guaranteed not referenced at Grumpy, or yourself... or even Peter.
1. How to SPELL s-p-i-e-l
2. Scientific spiel... I don't know, a scientist based in the States probably would not waste too much time playing spiel games. (it is just not common here) Thats more of a Canadian scientist game. (for anyone not getting this, look it up) |
Back in the day, a team I was on almost made it to the provincial playdowns.... so finding myself in such august company.... 
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aAzzAa
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| Grumpy wrote: | aAzzAa
Does the phrase "Explosives sniffing dogs" mean anything to you??? Does the fact that all the dust studies found not a hint of any Nitrates tickle any part of your(so called) brain??? Do you not think that, given the attack in 93, that that would be the FIRST thing tested for???(hint, it was, by both the FBI and ATF, in fact, in the famous first impact video, the instrument the Fire chief was holding in his hand IS AN EXPLOSIVE GASES DETECTOR, as FEMA was in the middle of their training excersize(held several times yearly since 93)FOR JUST THAT SORT OF ATTACK(explosives)).
Just how STOOOPID can you get??? Oh, sorry, I forgot who it was I was talking to!!! Between you and Chrisbot, I'm surprised either of you can remember to breath on a regular basis!!!
Grumpy |
Oh Grumpy, it's always inspiring to get a dose of your ridiculing elitism, and am also enjoying the dose of same from physorg again. So you weren't going to answer, but did eventually, and your answer is yes they did test for explosives but didn't find any evidence. Hmmmmmm ok, I'll write you again when I get your explanation confirmed from somewhere else. For some reason I bet it isn't as simple as your choice of "slogan" explanation.
Hiya Anima, no doubt you're on the case dude. Hopefully it's non-alcoholic.
Waahay the lads. |
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aAzzAa
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:07 am Post subject: |
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So what does Grumpy have to say about this article, where it seems FEMA also didn't go out to test for explosives:
| Quote: | Prominent Physics Professor Refutes “Official” 9/11 Story
Planes causing collapse bad science, Thermite charges suspect
Steven E. Jones, Professor of Physics at Brigham Young University reported to the Deseret Morning News and later revealed on the Alex Jones Radio Show that through imperical research he has come to discover that the World Trade Center towers could not have possibly collapsed due to the impact of the jets that hit the buildings on September 11th. While this news may not seem particularly shocking to many in the 9-11 Truth Movement, Jones’ testimony is representative of the growing list of many prominent Americans that have gone public in recent time exposing the systematic cover-up of 9-11.
According to Professor Jones, all of the laws of science and mathematics point directly to the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center and not to fire bringing down the three towers.
Through his intensive and methodical research, Jones has come to realize that the speed and symmetry of the collapse of the WTC buildings prove that the so-called official story must be false. He points to venting or squibs (smoke puffs) present around the collapsing structures as being direct indicators of the use of pre-positioned explosives. He also noted that the way that NASA infrared satellites and aircraft were able to take photos of the burning wreckage and molten steel for weeks was indicative of a massive use of thermite in the structure.
For Jones, the real problem with the official line on 9/11 is that it relies on wrong-headed science that starts with a conclusion and seeks out evidence that supports that theory to the exclusion of all others in order to cover up what really happened on September 11th. FEMA, the 9/11 Commission, and even the National Institute of Standards and Technology had all started with the supposition that what caused the WTC collapses was the impact of the jets and their exploding fuel and ignored any and all evidence to the contrary even though their findings were “highly unlikely.”
The Deseret Morning News article reports Jones’ major points of concern:
These observations were not analyzed by FEMA, NIST nor the 9/11 Commission, he says.
• With non-explosive-caused collapse there would typically be a piling up of shattering concrete. But most of the material in the towers was converted to flour-like powder while the buildings were falling, he says. "How can we understand this strange behavior, without explosives? Remarkable, amazing — and demanding scrutiny since the U.S. government-funded reports failed to analyze this phenomenon."
• Steel supports were "partly evaporated," but it would require temperatures near 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit to evaporate steel — and neither office materials nor diesel fuel can generate temperatures that hot. Fires caused by jet fuel from the hijacked planes lasted at most a few minutes, and office material fires would burn out within about 20 minutes in any given location, he says.
• Molten metal found in the debris of the World Trade Center may have been the result of a high-temperature reaction of a commonly used explosive such as thermite, he says. Buildings not felled by explosives "have insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large quantities of metal," Jones says.
• Multiple loud explosions in rapid sequence were reported by numerous observers in and near the towers, and these explosions occurred far below the region where the planes struck, he says.
No third party was ever called on to examine ground zero and Jones lamented the government’s decision to so quickly ban any investigation of the crime scene and to haul all of the wreckage away to China before it could be examined by any third party investigators. Many like Jones are now coming forward with skepticism this such as fire engineering which went public that the WTC was a crime scene and shouldn’t have been hauled away and that fire could not possibly make towers collapse.
He also described the findings of Underwriter’s Lab and Kevin Ryan who used complex models in the testing of the collapse and revealed that it was impossible for the jet-fuel and fire alone to cause any of the three buildings to collapse
Now Jones, who is head of research in fusion and solar energy at BYU, is calling for an independent, scientific investigation that would focus on the physics of the WTC collapse and not be guided by political constraints and efforts to limit the findings to the “official story” that the buildings collapsed because a hijacked plane was crashed into them.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/prof_jones_refutes_official_911_story.htm |
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Grumpy
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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aAzzAa
Professor(failed cold fusion)Jones??? 
You are an IDIOT!!!
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aAzzAa
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Grumpy wrote: | aAzzAa
Professor(failed cold fusion)Jones???
You are an IDIOT!!!
Grumpy |
You ponder on the wrong point Grumpy. It is about you pretending that there was a testing for explosives, when that is a lie. So now I'm beginning to agree that you are no more than a disinfo agent.
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For Jones, the real problem with the official line on 9/11 is that it relies on wrong-headed science that starts with a conclusion and seeks out evidence that supports that theory to the exclusion of all others in order to cover up what really happened on September 11th. FEMA, the 9/11 Commission, and even the National Institute of Standards and Technology had all started with the supposition that what caused the WTC collapses was the impact of the jets and their exploding fuel and ignored any and all evidence to the contrary even though their findings were “highly unlikely.”
These observations were not analyzed by FEMA, NIST nor the 9/11 Commission, he says.
• With non-explosive-caused collapse there would typically be a piling up of shattering concrete. But most of the material in the towers was converted to flour-like powder while the buildings were falling, he says. "How can we understand this strange behavior, without explosives? Remarkable, amazing — and demanding scrutiny since the U.S. government-funded reports failed to analyze this phenomenon." |
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Grumpy
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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AazzAa
You are an idiot, and Professor Jones doesn't have a clue. The concrete did pile up, IN THE BASEMENT, where the outer frames funneled it before they, too collapsed. 600,000 tons of it was removed from there in large chunks, not powder. It is the lies Jones tells that make him the FOOL that he is. And you using such a discredited source indicates that you are an IDIOT.
At least you're consistent, you are ALWAYS wrong.
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aAzzAa
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Grumpy wrote: | AazzAa
You are an idiot, and Professor Jones doesn't have a clue. The concrete did pile up, IN THE BASEMENT, where the outer frames funneled it before they, too collapsed. 600,000 tons of it was removed from there in large chunks, not powder. It is the lies Jones tells that make him the FOOL that he is. And you using such a discredited source indicates that you are an IDIOT.
At least you're consistent, you are ALWAYS wrong.
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You're just a little liar Grumpy. No tests had been performed in search of explosives regarding 911. Your wishing to shift the focus on those you say are fools, doesn't make your lie less of a lie, it just makes it more
of a manipulating kind of lie. |
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Peter
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Grumpy wrote: |
The concrete did pile up, IN THE BASEMENT, where the outer frames funneled it before they, too collapsed. 600,000 tons of it was removed from there in large chunks, not powder.
Grumpy |
Would you be able to elaborate on the mechanics of this funneling effect?
Thanks.
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Grumpy
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| Quote: | | Would you be able to elaborate on the mechanics of this funneling effect? |
Sure, when the collapses initiated the floors started "pancaking" inside the still intact outer frames, as evidenced by the puffs of dust escaping ahead of the main collapse front. The still intact outer walls kept the floor debris from going anywhere but down, where most of it went straight into the basement areas. 600,000 tons of concrete floor debris was removed from that area, slightly more from one than from two. Once the floors collapsed the outer frames peeled away in long sections like banana peels, reaching outward over 300 feet. Then the top block crushed the cores as they fell(of course, all of this occurred at nearly the same time).
aAzzAa
The first responders brought in dogs and used their explosives meters until it became clear that there were no explosives. Subsequent chemical testing of the dust reveal absolutely no Nitrates, a clear indication of no explosives. You just don't like the results, everyone else involved thinks you are all crazy. Thermite/Thermate are not now, nor have they ever been used to demo a building. Despite desperate attempts of some to bring in patents(which have heavy casings which also were not found), no evidence of them was found. Jones is a sorry chemist and even most troothers recognize his errors.
No evidence of explosives was found, PERIOD.
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Hombre
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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No evidence of explosives was found! Who says? Who controlled the investigation? Could it have been someone investigating themselves? Gee no shit sherlock. You can bet your arse none was found.
Swing and miss Grump!
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Grumpy
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Hombre
Your brain is mush, you should see about suing the school you attended, you have a Prima Facia case of fraud against them.
Grumpy
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Hombre
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| Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:22 am Post subject: |
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Yeah Grump,
and I thought you'd be bigger! 
Is there an answer in there somewhere my friend? This topic has been destroyed by people who's intellect is beyond your means. Spewing anything of the official account as being " THE WAY IT WAS " is mere folly.
I'll not trade insults with you my friend, trust me, I've little time for piss-ants and besides, you're too easy!
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