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bri
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"Now we see why institutions were developed to keep away from the public at large. "
The debate should be about to what degree we can use these institutions, and to what degree we should move against them. Not about why Ron Paul is a "shill", "Zionist", or whatever.
"It makes no difference to me to wash myself in this insignificant chatter.
although I am still here reading these posts with sadness. "
Your solution to all this pandering is more pandering I see?
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Wu Li
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| bri wrote: | "Now we see why institutions were developed to keep away from the public at large. "
The debate should be about to what degree we can use these institutions, and to what degree we should move against them. Not about why Ron Paul is a "shill", "Zionist", or whatever.
"It makes no difference to me to wash myself in this insignificant chatter.
although I am still here reading these posts with sadness. "
Your solution to all this pandering is more pandering I see?
How diplomatic and clever. |
My solution is to not always be a cynic in believing you or anyone has any solution to any issue beyond greed or vast plans created by nefarious means.
I will vote for Ron Paul and be fooled! Thank you very much.
At least I know the issues and believe that I may push my country in a direction which I feel is the right one.
I can not keep second guessing myself based on the NWO or any other grand institution which may wish to enslave me or my family.
This to me is fiction until I am up against it.
Wether or not you all here wish to believe in this enslavement idea or not you do so by writing about vast governmental or private entities doing the same. I see no difference. MOST here should become HIP to this!!
If someone like any of you are going to save me from something then I bet I may just place my head in a VAT of ACID. (May be a tool for the NWO : )
Again, I will vote for Dr. PAUL thank you very much!!!!
I happen to believe in exponential growth so I believe his ideas of liberty will grow and grow and grow exponentially.
OH MY GOD!!! I must be brainwashed by the establishment NO !!! NO!!!!
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bri
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| Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:14 am Post subject: |
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I don't think you are brainwashed Wu Li, so regardless of our debates and differences , I wish you wouldn't focus on me, and I do respect you, sarcastic remarks of your's aside.
And to think only a few posts away we were on the same level.
It's easy to blame others for all the nonsense on this forum, and all I have seen you do is complain lately. The forum ain't what it used to be and such.
If you want to talk about Ron Paul, I am open to it, without prejudice. |
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Wu Li
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| Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| bri wrote: | I don't think you are brainwashed Wu Li, so regardless of our debates and differences , I wish you wouldn't focus on me, and I do respect you, sarcastic remarks of your's aside.
And to think only a few posts away we were on the same level.
It's easy to blame others for all the nonsense on this forum, and all I have seen you do is complain lately. The forum ain't what it used to be and such.
If you want to talk about Ron Paul, I am open to it, without prejudice. |
I focus on no one but mere words on a screen.
I see nothing but graphics therein.
I have no judgement of words but to feel emotion from them.
I see no consequence in their actions as they are written in the ether.
If it were the case to judge then I would have a whole society of screens and words to conquer.
I am only here by myself developing words to be judged.
Therefore I am equal to this meaningless insignificant medium which has been begun.
I only focus on the screens waveform vibrations until it ends.
Then I wake up again and it begins again.
Happy Holidays!!!
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bri
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It's good to have you around Wu Li.
Happy Holy Days to you as well. |
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paradox
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: Nice smear... |
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Here's the url to the graphics above
http://www.amazon.com/Case-Gold-Minority-Report-Commission/dp/0932790313
Did anyone notice the year this was published?
1982
Yes. Ron and Lehrman are such close buddies they write books with one another every 25 years. And it was an economic book, written with a team of economists. I guess all of those economists are also PNAC tools, hum?
Now, if I was accused of being linked to every organisation I shared my air with, I'd probably be executed in every country on the face of this globe.
So yeah, that was a terrible "proof" there. Big "connection".
I think this was aptly filed under CIA Fake.
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Jerry Fletcher
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Ok, suppose Dr. Faul is 'for real', which I don't think he is, but just supposing...
Politically, he strikes me as less of a paleolibertarian and more of a real douchebag.
| Quote: | Ron Paul is what I would call a "back door" fascist. I call him a fascist because he wants to remove regulations on corporations and big business and he supports privatizing everything - he wants to make "government small" or dismantle it altogether. This makes him a fascist. Why do I call him a "back door" fascist? Because he's doing so while carrying an "Anti-War" and "Anti-Patriot Act" banner. This seems to be fooling even some smart liberals in our society, who should really know better, into supporting him - some with enthusiasm!
From: Myspace.com Blogs - wRONg PAUL: Why I DO NOT want Ron Paul to be my President. - Koyaanisqatsi MySpace Blog
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=95719942&blogID=304002778 |
| Quote: | 10 Reasons Not to Vote for Ron Paul
1. Ron Paul does not value equal rights for minorities. Ron Paul has sponsored legislation that would repeal affirmative action, keep the IRS from investigating private schools who may have used race as a factor in denying entrance, thus losing their tax exempt status, would limit the scope of Brown versus Board of Education, and would deny citizenship for those born in the US if their parents are not citizens. Here are links to these bills: H.R.3863, H.R.5909, H.J.RES.46, and H.J.RES.42.
2. Ron Paul would deny women control of their bodies and reproductive rights.Ron Paul makes it very clear that one of his aims is to repeal Roe v. Wade. He has also co sponsored 4 separate bills to “To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.” This, of course, goes against current medical and scientific information as well as our existing laws and precedents. Please see these links: H.R.2597 and H.R.392
3. Ron Paul would be disastrous for the working class. He supports abolishing the Federal minimum wage, has twice introduced legislation to repeal OSHA, or the Occupational Safety and Health Act and would deal devastating blows to Social Security including repealing the act that makes it mandatory for employees of nonprofits, to make “coverage completely optional for both present and future workers”, and would “freeze benefit levels”. He has also twice sponsored legislation seeking to repeal the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act which among other things provide that contractors for the federal government must provide the prevailing wage and prohibits corporate “kick backs.” Here are the related legislative links: H.R.2030, H.R.4604, H.R.736, and H.R.2720
4. Ron Paul’s tax plan is unfair to lower earners and would greatly benefit those with the highest incomes.He has repeatedly submitted amendments to the tax code that would get rid of the estate and gift taxes, tax all earners at 10%, disallow income tax credits to individuals who are not corporations, repeal the elderly tax credit, child care credit, earned income credit, and other common credits for working class citizens. Please see this link for more information: H.R.05484 Summary
5. Ron Paul’s policies would cause irreparable damage to our already strained environment. Among other travesties he supports off shore drilling, building more oil refineries, mining on federal lands, no taxes on the production of fuel, and would stop conservation efforts that could be a “Federal obstacle” to building and maintaining refineries. He has also sought to amend the Clean Air Act, repeal the Soil and Water Conservation Act of 1977, and to amend the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to “restrict the jurisdiction of the United States over the discharge of dredged or fill material to discharges into waters”. To see for yourself the possible extent of the damage to the environment that would happen under a Paul administration please follow these links: H.R.2504, H.R.7079, H.R.7245, H.R.2415, H.R.393, H.R.4639, H.R.5293, and H.R.6936
6. A Ron Paul administration would continue to proliferate the negative image of the US among other nations. Ron Paul supports withdrawing the US from the UN, when that has not happened he has fought to at least have the US withdrawn from the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He has introduced legislation to keep the US from giving any funds to the UN. He also submitted that the US funds should not be used in any UN peacekeeping mission or any UN program at all. He has sponsored a bill calling for us to “terminate all participation by the United States in the United Nations, and to remove all privileges, exemptions, and immunities of the United Nations.”Ron Paul twice supported stopping the destruction of intercontinental ballistic missile silos in the United States. He also would continue with Bush’s plan of ignoring international laws by maintaining an insistence that the International Criminal Court does not apply to the US, despite President Clinton’s signature on the original treaty. The International Criminal Court is used for, among other things, prosecution of war crimes. Please see the following links: H.R.3891, H.AMDT.191, H.AMDT.190, H.R.3769, H.R.1665, H.CON.RES.23, and H.R.1154
7. Ron Paul discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation and would not provide equal rights and protections to glbt citizens. This is an issue that Paul sort of dances around. He has been praised for stating that the federal government should not regulate who a person marries. This has been construed by some to mean that he is somewhat open to the idea of same sex marriage, he is not. Paul was an original co sponsor of the Marriage Protection Act in the House in 2004. Among other things this discriminatory piece of legislation placed a prohibition on the recognition of a same sex marriage across state borders. He said in 2004 that if he was in the Texas legislature he would not allow judges to come up with “new definitions” of marriage. Paul is a very religious conservative and though he is careful with his words his record shows that he is not a supporter of same sex marriage. In 1980 he introduced a particularly bigoted bill entitled “A bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955 A direct quote from the legislation “Prohibits the expenditure of Federal funds to any organization which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style.” shows that he is unequivocally opposed to lifestyles other than heterosexual.
8. Ron Paul has an unnatural obsession with guns. One of Paul’s loudest gripes is that the second amendment of the constitution is being eroded. In fact, he believes that September 11 would not have happened if that wasn’t true. He advocates for there to be no restrictions on personal ownership of semi-automatic weaponry or large capacity ammunition feeding devices, would repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act (because we all know our schools are just missing more guns), wants guns to be allowed in our National Parks, and repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968. Now, I’m pretty damn certain that when the Constitution was written our founding fathers never intended for people to be walking around the streets with AK47’s and “large capacity ammunition feeding devices.” (That just sounds scary.) Throughout the years our Constitution has been amended and is indeed a living document needing changes to stay relevant in our society. Paul has no problem changing the Constitution when it fits his needs, such as no longer allowing those born in the US to be citizens if their parents are not. On the gun issue though he is no holds barred. I know he’s from Texas but really, common sense tells us that the amendments he is seeking to repeal have their place. In fact, the gun control act was put into place after the assassinations of JFK, Martin Luther King, and Robert Kennedy. Please view the following links: H.R.2424, H.R.1897, H.R.1096, H.R.407, H.R.1147, and H.R.3892.
9. Ron Paul would butcher our already sad educational system. The fact is that Ron Paul wants to privatize everything and that includes education. Where we run into problems is that it has been shown (think our current health care system) that this doesn’t work so well in practice. Ron Paul has introduced legislation that would keep the Federal Government “from planning, developing, implementing, or administering any national teacher test or method of certification and from withholding funds from States or local educational agencies that fail to adopt a specific method of teacher certification.” In a separate piece of legislation he seeks to “prohibit the payment of Federal Education assistance in States which require the licensing or certification of private schools or private school teachers.” So basically the federal government can’t regulate teaching credentials and if states opt to require them for private schools they get no aid. That sounds like a marvelous idea teachers with no certification teaching in private schools that are allowed to discriminate on the basis of race. He is certainly moving forward with these proposals!Remember his “bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955? Guess what? He basically advocates for segregation in schools once again. It “Forbids any court of the United States from requiring the attendance at a particular school of any student because of race, color, creed, or sex.” Without thinking about this statement it doesn’t sound bad at all. But remember, when desegregating schools that this is done by having children go to different schools, often after a court decision as in Brown Vs. Board of Education. If this were a bill that passed, schools would no longer be compelled to comply and the schools would go back to segregation based on their locations. Ron Paul is really starting to look like a pretty bigoted guy don’t you think?
10. Ron Paul is opposed to the separation of church and state. This reason is probably behind every other thing that I disagree with in regards to Paul’s positions. Ron Paul is among those who believes that there is a war on religion, he stated “Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view.”1 Though he talks a good talk, at times, Ron Paul can’t get away from his far right, conservative views. He would support “alternative views” to evolution taught in public schools (i.e. Intelligent Design.) We’ve already taken a look at his “bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955 Besides hating the gays he takes a very religious stance on many other things. He is attempting to force his beliefs on the rest of America, exactly what he would do as president.
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From: » 10 Reasons Not to Vote for Ron Paul -
http://wwjv4.com/republicans/10-reasons-not-to-vote-for-ron-paul-159 |
Then again, I guess I can't say he's all bad...
| Quote: | Paul sponsored the States' Rights to Medical Marijuana Act:
• Title: To provide for the medical use of marijuana in accordance with the laws of the various States. Summary: Transfers marijuana from schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act to schedule II of such Act. Declares that, in a State in which marijuana may be prescribed or recommended by a physician for medical use under applicable State law, no provision of the Controlled Substances Act shall prohibit or otherwise restrict:
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• the prescription or recommendation of marijuana by a physician for medical use;
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• an individual from obtaining and using marijuana from a physician's prescription or recommendation of marijuana for medical use; or
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• a pharmacy from obtaining and holding marijuana for the prescription or recommendation of marijuana by a physician for medical use under applicable State law.
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• Prohibits any provision of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act from prohibiting or restricting a State entity from producing or distributing marijuana for the purpose of its distribution for prescription or recommendation by a physician in a State in which marijuana may be prescribed by a physician for medical use.
Source: House Resolution Sponsorship 01-HR2592 on Jul 23, 2001
From: Ron Paul on Drugs
http://www.issues2000.org/TX/Ron_Paul_Drugs.htm |
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bri
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:45 am Post subject: |
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Good top ten list there Jerry.
I don't recall ever calling him a fake. I just happen to think the guy is a total douche, and also unelectable.
"Medical marijuana" always seemed like kind of a cop out to me. Surely, it would help to treat some people but the government shit is complete dirt weed. Most people that support the "medical" marijuana aspects just wanna get high G'. |
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bri
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| bri wrote: |
I don't recall ever calling him a fake. |
Though it is possible. I won't jump to conclusions however as that is very counterproductive.
However, it is quite "in your face", as others have stated.
Aside from the douche factor. |
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bri
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My roommate and his Ron Paul supporter friends often corral at my apartment during parties to tell everyone how horrible they are to not vote for Dr. Paul. They are very malicious and I sure hope they don't represent the majority of his supporters, but sadly in my experience they seem to.
Last time, I asked all of them what the third, 4th, or 5th amendment was during one of their attacks. None of them knew, tried to change the subject, and finally broke down. One guy, my roommate, didn't even know what the 1st or 2nd was! He changed the subject by telling me that I need to learn more about foreign policy. For a lot of these Ron Paul supporters that I know, it's their first time voting, although they have had other opportunities.
Things have finally cooled down around here.
What peeves me is when people get on my ass for deciding not to vote next year at this time, even though I hardly complain. I could go off on them for complaining consistently while still playing the game, but I choose not to. |
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bri
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I was wrong... my apartment door just opened...someone just said Constitution...here come the PaulTards |
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bornfree
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Here's some Ron Paul Racist in their discussion about white supremacy and the south...
The Political Cesspool 12/28/07 (TN) 07:00PM (CST)
In FIRST HOUR: (GUEST) EDGAR J. STEELE, Esq. - Listener favorite Ed Steele returns tonight for a fiery interview that will have us touching on a number of issues...from Ron Paul to the Liberty Dollar! Mr. Steele is one of the most dynamic guests you'll EVE
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bri
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:00 am Post subject: |
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What an incredible radio show. All political groups find a niche in Ron Paul. If they do not agree with certain aspects, they say "oh we are not the crazy ones", or "he is secretly working for our group, just needs to present himself to the mainstream", or worst of all, "he is misunderstood"
Take back Amerika!
| Quote: | | "It's not Ron Paul, it's the message" |
I've heard this so many times.
| Quote: | | It's not Ron Paul, it's the fact that I can get back on the couch after the whole thing is over, hopefully without being taxed. |
| Quote: | | Steele is a trial lawyer best known for his role in defending Richard Butler and Aryan Nations in a major case brought against them in 2000. After losing the Aryan Nations case, Steele began publicly expressing his anti-Semitic and racist opinions both verbally and in writing over the Internet. He has become well-respected among white supremacists. |
| Quote: | | After losing the Aryan Nations case, Steele began openly acknowledging his own anti-Semitic and white supremacist views. He has at various times accused Jews of owning the Federal Reserve Bank, running organized crime “throughout America,” and orchestrating the 9/11 terrorist attacks. In his writings on race Steele asks, “What color are Jews?” He answers, “Jews are the color of avarice and greed. Jews are the color of deception, manipulation and the lust for power. Jews are the color of dishonesty, selfishness and heartlessness.” |
| Quote: | It wasn't Arabs who sued to remove "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance -- it was Jews.
It wasn't Arabs who sued to remove the Ten Commandments from that Alabama courthouse, had Judge Moore removed from the bench and now seek to disbar him -- it is Jews.
It isn't Arabs who sue to remove nativity scenes from public venues -- it is Jews.
It isn't Arabs who erect menorahs in public venues in place of crosses -- it is Jews.
It wasn't Arabs who sued to remove group prayer from public schools -- it was Jews.
It wasn't Arabs suing to remove decorative lights from schools at Christmas -- it was Jews.
It isn't Arabs who refuse to allow children to say grace over their school lunches -- it is Jews.
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http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/steele.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=2&item=steele
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bri
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:15 am Post subject: |
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I'm feeling psyopy.
| Quote: | My name is Edgar J. Steele. Thanks for listening. Please visit my web site, www.ConspiracyPenPal.com, for other messages just like this one.
The media has bound and gagged Dr. Paul, claiming that he is not even placing in polls when, in fact, he is winning virtually every, single poll taken in any medium. The establishment is deathly afraid of Ron Paul actually achieving the critical mass necessary to become the national phenomenon that I never have seen rise up during my lifetime.
I have met and spoken with Dr. Paul, Texas Congressman, and found him to be the real deal: thoughtful, considerate and passionate about making real change in America - our America!
If elected, Ron Paul will end the Iraq war.
If elected, Ron Paul will reduce government.
If elected, Ron Paul will eliminate deficit spending.
If elected, Ron Paul will restore our civil liberties.
You have my word on it.
Tomorrow morning, I will log onto www.RonPaul2008.com and I will make a $100 contribution to his campaign. So will each member of my family. This will not be my first, nor will it be my last, but it very possibly will be my most important contribution to our retaking America.
Please consider doing the same. Please.
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Y'know, since all these media Jews change their names so as to hide their Jewishness from us, obviously they don't want us to know they really are Jews. In other words, they clearly agree with those of us who warn you about them. But that's a rant for another day. |
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bornfree
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| bri wrote: | What an incredible radio show. All political groups find a niche in Ron Paul. If they do not agree with certain aspects, they say "oh we are not the crazy ones", or "he is secretly working for our group, just needs to present himself to the mainstream", or worst of all, "he is misunderstood"
Take back Amerika!
| Quote: | | "It's not Ron Paul, it's the message" |
I've heard this so many times.
| Quote: | | It's not Ron Paul, it's the fact that I can get back on the couch after the whole thing is over, hopefully without being taxed. |
| Quote: | | Steele is a trial lawyer best known for his role in defending Richard Butler and Aryan Nations in a major case brought against them in 2000. After losing the Aryan Nations case, Steele began publicly expressing his anti-Semitic and racist opinions both verbally and in writing over the Internet. He has become well-respected among white supremacists. |
| Quote: | | After losing the Aryan Nations case, Steele began openly acknowledging his own anti-Semitic and white supremacist views. He has at various times accused Jews of owning the Federal Reserve Bank, running organized crime “throughout America,” and orchestrating the 9/11 terrorist attacks. In his writings on race Steele asks, “What color are Jews?” He answers, “Jews are the color of avarice and greed. Jews are the color of deception, manipulation and the lust for power. Jews are the color of dishonesty, selfishness and heartlessness.” |
| Quote: | It wasn't Arabs who sued to remove "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance -- it was Jews.
It wasn't Arabs who sued to remove the Ten Commandments from that Alabama courthouse, had Judge Moore removed from the bench and now seek to disbar him -- it is Jews.
It isn't Arabs who sue to remove nativity scenes from public venues -- it is Jews.
It isn't Arabs who erect menorahs in public venues in place of crosses -- it is Jews.
It wasn't Arabs who sued to remove group prayer from public schools -- it was Jews.
It wasn't Arabs suing to remove decorative lights from schools at Christmas -- it was Jews.
It isn't Arabs who refuse to allow children to say grace over their school lunches -- it is Jews.
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http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/steele.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=2&item=steele
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Thanks bri, I read a piece by this steele and signed up for his email. It was only after I went to this radio link in his email newsletter that I realized he was a Nazi.
I nearly fell out of my chair when this podcast started. Damn. I listen till Steele came on and continued this line of thinking then stopped, went to my gmail account and unsubscribed. I guess I need to check up on who people are.
Thanks for the detailed info. This is why the next level forum is the best. |
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