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Wu Li



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickSMcNally wrote:
Wu Li wrote:
Who in your opinion, should the American people vote for?

Obviously any answer to that is going to be opinionated, but I'd suggest that people an eye to see if the Socialist Equality Party runs candidates again as they did in 2004

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/sep2004/prog-s20.shtml

and 2006.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/sep2006/prog-s28.shtml

Regarding 911, their approach since the early days has always been LIHOP:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/sept-j16.shtml

They've never tried to go beyond this and I have some specific criticisms over that. I can understand the argument that someone might say no votes should be cast for anything less than MIHOP candidates, but I'm skeptical that it's a good idea to raise 911 so completely to predominance.


My point exactly!
All has become opinion!!
such the respect of this forum.
Lots of pandering to something or nothing in order to pander to the meaningless insignificant of something which makes us feel grand.
How silly and subordinate I have become.
May be time to leave while I still feel some self respect. Embarassed

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wu, I am one of those that will vote for nobody. To some that sounds paranoid and sick. Maybe it's because the first time I was allowed to vote was the dreaded 2004.

You are right all has become opinion. I tried to address this in a recent post, I believe it was after certain attacks on Ron Paul.

I would hate to see you leave. I respect you and your posts.

I know so many others would back me up.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bri wrote:
Okay, what about YOU?

And who says WE aren't? Just because WE aren't on tv? Because WE don't have billions of dollars and slick PR?

Is voting every 4 years making a difference?

YOU tell ME

And this thread is about one particular human being, who is
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in many ways.


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Their bizarre self-destructive cynicism prevents them from ever contributing towards positive activism and change because of their ninnying egotistic obsession with claiming that everyone but them is in on the conspiracy


While I don't usually agree with AJ/PJW, I must say, they are right on the mark here...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody said everyone but them.

And I did not say Ron Paul was in on anything.

Just that he is fishy to me, and I stand by that.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's okay though.

You support Ron Paul I imagine?

May I ask why? Why over other candidates, especially the other anti-war contenders like Kucinich and Gravel?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wu Li wrote:

Lots of pandering to something or nothing in order to pander to the meaningless insignificant of something which makes us feel grand.


You are correct Wu. I would like to at least expect more of myself, and I do.

I hope the way I just addressed your questions above Seiferoth was a bit less harsh and more open minded.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wu Li wrote:
"BRI"
Here's a hard hitting question.

Who in your opinion, should the American people vote for?


I guess it's too easy for me to say I'm not voting, being a white guy.

I just don't personally see anyone of any merit, even a lesser of evil or an evil of lessers.



Maybe Gravel will get my vote, but he sadly does not have a chance.

How about you? Having any luck?

I think it's time for personal empowerment, rather than looking to leaders.

I don't see much of that around here lately from me or anyone else.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bri wrote:
Wu Li wrote:
"BRI"
Here's a hard hitting question.

Who in your opinion, should the American people vote for?


I guess it's too easy for me to say I'm not voting, being a white guy.

I just don't personally see anyone of any merit, even a lesser of evil or an evil of lessers.



Maybe Gravel will get my vote, but he sadly does not have a chance.

How about you? Having any luck?

I think it's time for personal empowerment, rather than looking to leaders.

I don't see much of that around here lately from me or anyone else.


Yeah well it is time to vote internally and not externally. It's time to listen to the silent whisper emanating from the heart , and to uncover the internal cover-up, kick the ego off its seat of power and marry the inner masculine/feminine and take on self government. You will be voting for what is intrinsic within nature. Then when the inner voting is done, live it, share what you have, it isn't yours, your clothes your money, it isn't yours. Don't settle for less and do as they tell you and save YOUR money and buy YOUR house. It is settling for less, everything belongs to everyone. By one person serving his fellow man, there will be billions serving you. And together it creates the kind of existance that doesn't leave anyone behind. The lower self based on selfishness and guided by evolution can be transcended by the higher self based on spiritual marriage of the masculine/feminine duality. This is what the "powers that be" are trying to keep you from, nothing else.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But of course there's talking about it and there's doing it.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bri wrote:
But of course there's talking about it and there's doing it.


What stops us all living it is doubt. But actually all it takes is to love others as ourself. Not emotional love.

We're taught to doubt ourselves and to believe in those that lead us. When we look to the origins of the systems we vote for or are taught to believe in, there comes a point where it really doesn't make sense. These systems have come from the hearts of men and women. And we can try every outer system , but we will never find the one to replace self government, being the "law" written in the heart. Instead of needing an outside law to say "thou shalt not murder", it will simply be replaced by a heart that is in a state of not wishing to murder. After all, the outside law can easily be replaced by "thou shalt murder", and then the obedient people will feel just as "holy" going around murdering as if they are good citizens.

So "doing it" is simply doing what is right, where everyone is included, has a roof over their head and food to eat , clothes to wear. I don't need an outside system to tell me that. If one person dies of hunger then I know something is not right.

We are taught to doubt, and to believe that without our leaders we will descend into caos. Whereas I believe that something has to be educated out of us first in order for us to give such allegiance. Then we're taught that we have to pray mighty prayers in order to get through to a god. We don't! Instead of focusing on the attachments we have been taught are necessary, we can take our place on a planet that is ours already, to food we were born to eat (not earn). Things have gotten so deep the other way that it does seem unlikely that everyone will adopt such an attitude, and that the economies would go into caos if we didn't earn our living through the means we are told are necessary. But there is enough food and there could be enough houses for everyone living here. Its a question of which system we adopt, the one where we vote others to bring it about, or we bring it about, through ourselves first, then our families, communities, states and country and world. When we doubt it through our self primarily, it is becuase we don't trust, and we think we are cheating ourselves out of the slice of pie that our system may provide us.

Things are going to change slowly, and self governement is the future. By at least talking about it it brings it into the debate. It's the easiest, most effortless system there is. All we do is serve each other and not our attachments. As consciousness evolves, so will we not tolerate primitive systems that only serve the few, and keep the majority chasing the carrot.
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Wu Li



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bri wrote:
Wu, I am one of those that will vote for nobody. To some that sounds paranoid and sick. Maybe it's because the first time I was allowed to vote was the dreaded 2004.

You are right all has become opinion. I tried to address this in a recent post, I believe it was after certain attacks on Ron Paul.

I would hate to see you leave. I respect you and your posts.

I know so many others would back me up.


How diplomatic and clever! Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wu Li wrote:
bri wrote:
Wu, I am one of those that will vote for nobody. To some that sounds paranoid and sick. Maybe it's because the first time I was allowed to vote was the dreaded 2004.

You are right all has become opinion. I tried to address this in a recent post, I believe it was after certain attacks on Ron Paul.

I would hate to see you leave. I respect you and your posts.

I know so many others would back me up.


How diplomatic and clever! Wink


By the way all the other meaning behind the other posts is much of the same.
Pandering!
Being scared and blaming institutions for our own downfall as human beings.
It makes no difference to me to wash myself in this insignificant chatter.
although I am still here reading these posts with sadness.

What a great site this used to be.
So many people writing beautiful things which we may say no.

Now we see why institutions were developed to keep away from the public at large.
This is because we want to be but we can not.
This is as it was created in order to keep us apart. Anyone on this site who understands this as was previously stated would understand.

I see anarchy right now!!
I hope it shows some fruits for it's labor. Maybe it will give someone a case study.
I doubt it but you never know.
Until then
Happy Happy Joy Joy
Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting back to the original thread topic, apparently Lehrman has a son who claims to be running as a 911 truth candidate and has advertised for Webster Rapley's 911 SYNTHETIC TERROR:

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http://www.santafenewmexican.com/Local%20News/Senate_hopeful_wants_probe_into_9_11_attacks

His father, Lewis Lehrman, 69, is a staunch conservative with strong connections to the White House and such groups as the Project for the New American Century, which helped foster the idea of going to war with Iraq well before 9/11. The elder Lehrman's Web site shows him standing with President Bush in the Oval Office in 2005, wearing a National Endowment for the Humanities medal. Much earlier, in 1982, he narrowly lost the New York governor's race to Mario Cuomo. It was during those years that he worked with anti-communist efforts in Latin America and Africa, his son said.

"To be perfectly honest, it's kind of a crazy world at the highest level of political operations, and I feel like my dad may have been misled," said Leland Lehrman, the oldest of five siblings. "His patriotism may have been abused. That's how I look at it."

The elder Lehrman, who has an office in Connecticut, gave a short reply Friday to a series of e-mailed questions. "I love my son," he said. "His opinions make me sad."

Early on, father and son were like-minded. They bonded as "cold warriors" when Leland Lehrman was in grade school. They had intense talks over the kitchen table in agreement over the need to contain the Soviets and the spread of communism.

At his private, all-boy middle school in Manhattan, Leland Lehrman gave a presentation at a student assembly and declared the U.S. was losing the arms race. "I was making the argument for increasing our number of nuclear weapons because they had more tanks and (intercontinental ballistic missiles) and because we were getting behind and blah, blah, blah," Lehrman said.

Gradually, though, a rift opened between the younger Lehrman and his father, starting when Leland's piano teacher questioned him about what the candidate called his "anti-communist fervor." In boarding school, he found himself siding with his liberal-minded classmates.

"The contentiousness has become rather marked," the son said. "We still communicate, but it's difficult to talk on the phone, especially for me, because there's a difficulty in getting my point of view heard, and there's a judgmental attitude on the other end of the phone."

At Yale University — his dad's alma mater — Leland Lehrman dropped out after three semesters, hitchhiked cross-country, hung out with the Grateful Dead crowd and did drugs, he said. Ten years ago, he said, he nearly died after a night of beer, marijuana and mushrooms, and he has been sober since.
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Make of it what you will. I'm sure I could find criticisms to make of the son, but I don't like labeling someone because of their dad. Still, given everything which we've seen thus far, someone is bound to suggest that the man may be a shill working in conjunction with Papa alongisde Ron Paul. Any further opinions are appreciated.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've stated this elsewhere on thIs forum and it is true and applies here.


i got this info elsewhere


ron paul=ross perot

he too, is a player in the election fiction in progress.

his overt part is to energize, give hope to and coalesce the awakening

his covert agenda is to ramp up, give false hope to and identify and contain the dissiident
sector of the population.

his stance is confusing or contradictory for these reasons.

the elite like humor such as this and delight in the echo from history factor

rp=rp

my favorite part is the spelling of love BACKWARDS in his logo

does this remind you of anything... it's in your face.

think how they laugh at us who wax seriously about this fictional character

do you know who 'they' is?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wu Li wrote:
Wu Li wrote:
bri wrote:
Wu, I am one of those that will vote for nobody. To some that sounds paranoid and sick. Maybe it's because the first time I was allowed to vote was the dreaded 2004.

You are right all has become opinion. I tried to address this in a recent post, I believe it was after certain attacks on Ron Paul.

I would hate to see you leave. I respect you and your posts.

I know so many others would back me up.


How diplomatic and clever! Wink


By the way all the other meaning behind the other posts is much of the same.
Pandering!
Being scared and blaming institutions for our own downfall as human beings.
It makes no difference to me to wash myself in this insignificant chatter.
although I am still here reading these posts with sadness.

What a great site this used to be.
So many people writing beautiful things which we may say no.

Now we see why institutions were developed to keep away from the public at large.
This is because we want to be but we can not.
This is as it was created in order to keep us apart. Anyone on this site who understands this as was previously stated would understand.

I see anarchy right now!!
I hope it shows some fruits for it's labor. Maybe it will give someone a case study.
I doubt it but you never know.
Until then
Happy Happy Joy Joy
Wink


You're right it's our own faults. I didn't say otherwise.

If you feel that if I left it would be more like the "golden age" of BFN feel free to ask me to leave.

So why don't we just start from scratch instead of complaining about things we aren't doing?

I'll ask again, any ideas who to vote for?


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