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Craig W
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 Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: The wisdom of Eckhart Tolle |
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Beautiful pointers to Truth from Eckhart Tolle. 
Not reacting to content:
Untying the knot:
Loads more Tolle videos here: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Eckhart+Tolle
Assorted Tolle quotes:
| Quote: | Most people's lives are run by desire and fear.
Desire is the need to add something to yourself in order to be yourself more fully. All fear is the fear of losing something and thereby becoming diminished and being less.
These two movements obscure the fact that Being cannot be given or taken away. Being in its fullness is already within you, Now.
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When each thought absorbs your attention completely, it means you identify with the voice in your head. Thought then becomes invested with a sense of self. This is the ego, a mind-made "me." That mentally constructed self feels incomplete and precarious. That’s why fearing and wanting are its predominant emotions and motivating forces.
When you recognize that there is a voice in your head that pretends to be you and never stops speaking, you are awakening out of your unconscious identification with the stream of thinking. When you notice that voice, you realize that who you are is not the voice — the thinker — but the one who is aware of it. Knowing yourself as the awareness behind the voice is freedom.
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True freedom and the end of suffering is living in such a way as if you had completely chosen whatever you feel or experience at this moment.
This inner alignment with Now is the end of suffering. Is suffering really necessary? Yes and no.
If you had not suffered as you have, there would be no depth to you as a human being, no humility, no compassion. You would not be reading this now. Suffering cracks open the shell of ego, and then comes a point when it has served its purpose. Suffering is necessary until you realize it is unnecessary.
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Always say "yes" to the present moment. What could be more futile, more insane, than to create inner resistance to what already is? what could be more insane than to oppose life itself, which is now and always now? Surrender to what is. Say "yes" to life -- and see how life suddenly starts working for you rather than against you.
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If you identify with a mental position, then if you are wrong, your mind-based sense of self is seriously threatened with annihilation. So you as the ego cannot afford to be wrong. To be wrong is to die. Wars have been fought over this, and countless relationships have broken down.
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The word enlightenment conjures up the idea of some superhuman accomplishment, and the ego likes to keep it that way, but it is simply your natural state of felt oneness with Being.
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Being is the eternal, ever-present One Life beyond the myriad forms of life that are subject to birth and death. However, Being is not only beyond but also deep within every form as its innermost invisible and indestructible essence. This means that is is accessible to you now as your own deepest self, your true nature. But don't seek to grasp it with your mind. Don't try to understand it. You can know it only when the mind is still.
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The mind is a superb instrument if used rightly. Used wrongly, however, it becomes very destructive. To put it more accurately, it is not so much that you use your mind wrongly -- you usually don't use it at all. It uses you. This is the disease. You believe that you are your mind. This is the delusion. The instrument has taken you over.
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The moment you start watching the thinker, a higher level of consciousness becomes activated. You then begin to realize that there is a vast realm of intelligence beyond thought, that thought is only a tiny aspect of that intelligence. You also realize that all the things that truly matter -- beauty, love, creativity, joy, inner peace -- arise from beyond the mind. You begin to awaken.
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So the single most vital step on your journey toward enlightenment is this: learn to disidentify with your mind. Every time you create a gap in the stream of mind the light of your consciousness grows stronger.
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Not to be able to stop thinking is a dreadful affliction, but we don't realize this because almost everyone is suffering from it, so it is considered normal. This incessant mental noise prevents you from finding that realm of inner stillness that is inseparable from Being.
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Whatever the present moment contains, accept is as if you had chosen it. Always work with it, not against it. Make it your friend and ally, not your enemy. This will miraculously transform your whole life.
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What a liberation to realize that the "voice in my head" is not who I am. Who am I then? The one who sees that.'
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The philosopher Descartes believed that he had found the most fundamental truth when he made his famous statement: "I think, therefore I am." He had, in fact, given expression to the most basic error: to equate thinking with Being and identity with thinking.
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bri
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| Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: The wisdom of Eckhart Tolle |
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It's rare to see lectures on subjects like this of such amazing quality. The guy's head is certainly nowhere near his ass!
Well his message is a bit....passive, but I don't think that he means that people should just sit there while they are "not reacting"
And I don't think self-seeking always creates bad energy. There is seeking things you want for yourself of course, but that's not what seeking the self is truly about. It's about embracing yourself in the moment. |
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Peter
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:45 am Post subject: Re: The wisdom of Eckhart Tolle |
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| bri wrote: | | It's about embracing yourself in the moment. |
You got that right, Bri. The only thing that impedes that state is our lack of focus. One of the egos main mechanical functions is to focus on the task at hand. The problem is that it is constantly being adjusted and deranged by, as Mr. Tolle and another thread in here describe;
'What a liberation to realize that the "voice in my head" is not who I am. Who am I then? The one who sees that.'
You are not the one that is doing the thinking......and that realization is where the process begins.
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Peter
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: I thought therefore I was, I speak therefore I am. |
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Hi Craig
Mr. Tolle has really reached into the supramental region in a big way. His vision makes sense to me but do you not find his approach quite laid back? My contacts and forays into this area tend to lead to somewhat more demonstrative evocations but perhaps he is much more refined than am I.
Have your explorations into self and your ethereal planes of existance led you to similar experiences (either way)?
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Craig W
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:38 am Post subject: Re: I thought therefore I was, I speak therefore I am. |
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Hi Peter,
I'm not sure I know what you mean (words are such clumsy symbols when it comes to the Absolute). But I will hazard a response anyway. 
Though I love many of Tolle's words, it is not so much what he says but from where he speaks that I find so resonant. To me there is great Truth and Beauty in the words, and even more in the silence/space between the words.
Of course, no metaphors can accurately describe the Absolute (or whatever mental label we choose to attach to the One). But Tolle's verbal pointers to Truth are as useful as any I have come across. His brand of non-dualism (encompassing elements of Advaita Vedanta, Zen and other mystical wisdom traditions) speaks very clearly to me.
That said, I don't grok everything he says. For example, the pain body stuff and the idea of the "goodness" of the evolution of human consciousness seem unnecessary and dualistic to me.
I don't know if that helps or makes sense...?
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Peter
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:45 am Post subject: Even the word absolute isnt quite absolute.... |
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Hi Craig
To transmit a vibe is to be it and to live it. When someone manages to reach out to you and you can sympathize (in the sense of sympathetic vibration) and harmonize with their energy, it is truly a state of being that we were meant to experience. This is one of the basic principles of our existance. Resonance is created by harmonization. Resonant circuits build and become greater than they were.
To my understanding, the pain body (this is my first exposure to Mr. Tolle) is that part of the memorial repository on the astral plane that correlates and sublimates our reactions to stimuli. As we require stimulation, reference is made to our habituation and then the requisite response is ellicited. All human suffering resides within this region (suffering is good for the soul.....yah right) and is part of our life plan. How we deal with and reduce to nothingness these aspects of our existence determines the degree to which we can incorporate and exemplify the principles of our life.
The reference to goodness, for me, refers to the well-being that a higher state of consciousness confers on the individual.
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Craig W
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Even the word absolute isnt quite absolute.... |
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Peter,
As I understand the nondual metaphor for the "isness of is", there are no individuals. All is One, ie there is no subject-object relationship between anything as there are no "things", merely illusory ripples in Oneness (Oneness appearing as manyness to the perceiving mind). In the realisation of pure thoughtless awareness there is simply a felt Oneness with All. Any sense of resonating with a perceived other is just a mind-created illusion.
"Goodness" implies the possibility of real and meaningful progress and of meaningful value-judgements ("this is better than that or preferable to the other because..." etc). From the perspective of the Absolute, these terms are utterly meaningless. My understanding of non-duality is that all there is One Pure Awareness simply Being. In that sense, there can be no improvements to be made or right/wrong or good/bad judgements to be applied. Afterall, how can what is be "wrong"? What reference points would we use to compare isness with in order to make that judgement? Isness simply is. And it cannot be anything other than what it is (much as the ego-mind would like to pretend otherwise).
There is much more about non-duality in all its guises at this very useful website: www.nonduality.com Here is a quote from the site that may help: | Quote: |
"The concept, often described in English as "nondualism," is extremely hard for the mind to grasp or visualize, since the mind engages constantly in the making of distinctions and nondualism represents the rejection or transcendence of all distinctions." |
If you have utorrents or similar there is a good talk by Tolle in India here:
http://www.mininova.org/get/412072
And there are MP3s of a talk he did in Costa Rica here:
http://blacksamba.com/talks/tolle/allowing%20presence%20to%20arise/
Finally, I would recommend reading The Power of Now. It is possibly the deepest and Truest book I have read. You can download the ebook as a torrent here: http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/3574861/The_Power_of_Now_-_A_Guide_to_Spiritual_Enlightment_by_Eckhart_T.3574861.TPB.torrent or as an audio book torrent here: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3574872/Ekhart_Tolle_-_The_Power_Of_Now_(Audio_Book)
No problem if you're not interested I just really dig this stuff.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject: A link to any other site would work as well |
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Tks Craig
The e-book torrent link doesn't connect. Is there an error (or some non-dualistic interpretation of unfunctioning isness) in the link?
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Peter
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:58 am Post subject: Ghost in the machine.... |
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Tks Craig, it worked fine this morning......system bug maybe...?
Since he uses the term a couple of times in the first 15 pages, he may have read "Beyond the mind". It was a seminal work about the supramental and its associated states of consciousness, which is pretty much what he is describing.
Thanks for the link.
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| yeah craig the chatter in my mind totally agrees with you on the profundity of this wee book, also i am aware of the space one feels from within in it, as peter says when you harmonise with energy on your operating level the resulting resonance can really take you higher,yeah man i felt this book also. |
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The more I start seeing this guy on Oprah the less "genius" he seems, and the more "creepy" like "Give me your money" The Secret creepy.
I've been having that 'creepy' feeling quite a while with this guy, can't quite put my finger on it, but it grows every time I encounter his work. Not that there is not a lot of truth in the teachings, but the end result seems to be a kind of 'surrender'. Quite frankly, anyone who seems content to 'give up the good fight' at this crucial hour arouses my suspicions. But there is something even beyond the $$$ aspect that sends a chill up my back, like realizing the jolly guy handing out candy to the kids is a really a pervert...only this is mind candy for the masses on a global scale!
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i put it on my site cause i liked it ...
not that i would buy a book of his, its just instinctive/intuitive inner refection ... clear thinking/common sense ...
i put it here ---> http://www.7he7ruth.com/most-people-s-lives-are-run-by-desire-and-fear-t171.html
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