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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:33 am    Post subject: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion Reply with quote

Yes! I am new. Actually I've been reading the forums for months, I'm still surprised there hasn't been a topic on this book yet.

www.churchoftrueisrael.com/protocols/ (There's lots of copies on the net, I picked this one since it seems un-edited from a quick glance)


So what's your opinion? Obviously the content is pretty disturbing (and parallels closely with current events in my opinion) but is this evidence of jewish conspiracy, or more misleading media?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my opninion? (i know i am but one opinion...) nobody in my family ancestry was ever a rich jew. nobody, for that matter, on the christian side of my family was ever in any kind of elite, either, tho they worked with various aristocrats and government officials over the centuries in hungary and yugoslavia...
so whoever these characters are, they must be so hidden and exclusive, that none of my grandparents' stories regarding several regime changes in eastern europe have ever included information on them.

fast-forward to my lifetime, i have never met any elite in my synogogue, nor in any christian church - while i was living in NJ the first 46 years of my life.

since i've been in SW Virginia, i HAVE met tons of individual men (including one black guy) who are freemason members, none of them jews, most of them "christian" and one who is catholic.

i know that's got nothing to do with elders of zion, but what i'm saying is whoever they are - IF THEY EXIST - groups like these are no where to be found in my vast networking and family recollection.
and the same time, i have never "met" an admitted KKK member in person, but i have known hundreds of people who sympathize with certain philosophy regarding that form of prejudice fairly openly... and met one actual member online a few years ago.

so, what it seems to me is, so far in my encounters, masons are popular in SW Virginia (and this itself makes me uneasy, because they push support of masons as the only objective in every aspect of business, political and social success), KKK is an unspoken ally, but i have yet to see the any other solidarity or brotherhood... except the teamsters in NJ (but that's no secret).

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

one thing i should mention is - and this does not validate any secret pact amongst jews - is that the local orthodox school would not grant me studentship due to my family's inability to practice kosher... because my grandfather was a catholic (and wasn't converting just for me going to school)... of course we were pissed, but this action is not anything unusual. no big deal.

basically, i think a lot of these secret pacts are (even if true) stuff that controlling groups since the beginning of time would love to enforce, but please remember that loads of people become educated, successful, wealthy, popular, etc... despite any elite's rules or constraints.

as a mentor in my life would say, "you are what you pay attention to."

that piece of wisdom is something that i myself need to revisit from time-to-time, cos i can get wrapped up in the BS - or what we here call "psy-op."

get it?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, everyone should be aware that officially (and I'm reluctant to use that word), the Protocols are a hoax. Well, hoax isn't the right word either... the Protocols are a scam. Read the wiki, click on some of the links, and then search around. It's pretty obvious to me that the concept of a Zionist/Masonic/fucking lizards conspiracy is a red-herring or a psyop. But, don't take my word for it, figure it out for yourself.

I will post this part to the wiki, as I think it's very important to understand:
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The Protocols also became a part of the Nazi propaganda effort to justify persecution of the Jews. It was made required reading for German students. In The Holocaust: The Destruction of European Jewry 1933–1945, Nora Levin states that "Hitler used the Protocols as a manual in his war to exterminate the Jews":

Despite conclusive proof that the Protocols were a gross forgery, they had sensational popularity and large sales in the 1920s and 1930s. They were translated into every language of Europe and sold widely in Arab lands, the United States, and England. But it was in Germany after World War I that they had their greatest success. There they were used to explain all of the disasters that had befallen the country: the defeat in the war, the hunger, the destructive inflation.[37]

Hitler refers to the Protocols in Mein Kampf:

... To what extent the whole existence of this people is based on a continuous lie is shown incomparably by the Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion, so infinitely hated by the Jews. They are based on a forgery, the Frankfurter Zeitung moans and screams once every week: the best proof that they are authentic. [...] the important thing is that with positively terrifying certainty they reveal the nature and activity of the Jewish people and expose their inner contexts as well as their ultimate final aims.[38]

Hitler endorsed it in his speeches from August 1921 on, and it was studied in German classrooms after Nazis came to power. At the height of World War II, the Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels proclaimed: "The Zionist Protocols are as up-to-date today as they were the day they were first published."[24] In Norman Cohn's words, it served as the Nazis' "warrant for genocide".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

Secondly, and not to mention Dream's End again but the dude does great research, here's an article from there discussing the strange emphasis that Zionism theorists have in our "alternative media". I'll quote a couple interesting passages here:
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The left has lost its mind, or at least important segments of the left have. Gone is the analysis of capital and its role in history. Gone is suspicion of the agenda of our military/industrial complex…already so powerful in the fifties that even Eisenhower warned us of it. Gone, most frighteningly, is even our distrust of our own intelligence agencies, such as the CIA and NSA.

In their place? The theory that Israel and her dual loyalist, neocon minions have somehow hijacked an otherwise just and righteous USA, who would never have attacked Iraq of their Zionist overlords had not ordered them to. Oversimplified? Maybe, but only a little.


A discussion of Counterpunch and some of its contributors follow... I mention this because I just read someone talking about Counterpunch in another thread. After some more details, the article goes onto say and I bold the parts that I think are particularly important:
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Now look. I know there are such things as neocons. I understand that there is a PNAC out there, which worked hard to sell us this war. But tails don’t wag dogs, even in this increasingly surreal world we find ourselves in. What is wrong with the left that it would accept such a lazy mode of thinking? And what is wrong with the left that the parallels with rightwing anti-Semitic/Jewish world domination theory are not seen as a problem? I understand it’s possible to criticize Israel and not be anti-Semitic. Ditto neocons. Ditto Zionism. Please don’t bother writing me with that profound sentiment. But a theory that suggests a superpower can be controlled by a small country in the Middle East, via a network of “dual loyalist” agents who secretly wield enough power to run the show…come ON..is anyone listening to this crap? Shall I quote to you from the Protocols? Shall we read from Mein Kempf together?

I don’t mean that Mr. Ervin or most of the left secretly hate Jews. Don’t misunderstand. I’m concerned because the left isn’t recognizing how dangerous and reactionary this line of thinking is. Indeed, to be on the left in the US is to be, almost always, standing shoulder to shoulder with Jewish activists. It has always been thus. Students of history will remember how in the mind of the right, the phrase “Jewish communist” was considered redundant.

So where is this line of thinking coming from? Well, it is INDISPUTABLE that this line of thought is being put out by the CIA. And, again, that doesn’t prove it’s wrong, but it should make any good leftist a tad nervous.


Brief discussion of Lyndon Larouche follows after this, which I mention because I saw his slimey name pop up here somewhere today too.

And the conclusion of the article is as follows:
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We on the left need to revisit this understanding of Israel. At the very least, the left should be sensitive to how such rhetoric could alienate an awful lot of people, for whom Israel represents deliverance from oppression and hope for survival. And the graphic above is but one of many, many examples, which shows that lurking not far beneath the surface for many who are preaching the evils of Zionism and Israel, something else is meant entirely. It is not what the left means, but the left is using a lot of the same language. Goolgle on terms like “zionism” and I think you’ll understand my point.

In addition, the very nature of the sort of analysis that would put Israel as the lead role in power relations goes so far afield from how elite power is truly wielded in this country and in the world, that any hope of progressive change is lost. True change in this country does not come from chasing out a few “neocons”, it comes from transforming the very economic and political structures which both create and protect the real “men behind the curtain.” In fact, I think there is evidence that this emphasis on the wrongs of the neocons was part of a deliberate scheme to deflect blame. And now, that the nasty business in Iraq has been taken care of (you do realize that the destruction of the country was the goal all along and not “democracy? Please do not bother me with theories of Bush’s “incompetence”.), the pitbulls can be cut loose. Through spokespeople such as our “former” intelligence professionals, the word is out there. A housecleaning is in order and the neocons must go. Meanwhile, the true criminals continue unaffected.

http://dreamsend.wordpress.com/2006/09/16/this-war-is-for-israel/#more-11
If any of the highlights interested you at all, I highly suggest you read the full article.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: Re: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion Reply with quote

dissident wrote:
(and parallels closely with current events in my opinion)


That is not really true at all. The Protocols were written at a time when socialist movements were strong and they were scripted with an eye towards smearing such movements. For this reason the Protocols advocate a program based upon taxing the wealthy capital and using such wealth to support social services. The theme is that once the Learned Elders are in power it will be necessary to make sure that the ordinary masses never have anything to grumble about and so heavy taxation of capital gains will be used to support a range of facilities and activities which will keep the masses contented. During an earlier era when the Roosevelt administration was advocating things such as social security this was often held up by Right-wingers as a carrying out of the Protocols. But nobody who honestly looks at the program which has taken hold since Ronald Reagan took office is going to maintain that it bears any relation to the Protocols. Where the Protocols explicitly advocate taxation on capital, George Bush overtly removes such taxation. Where the Protocols emphasize the need for the new rulers to maintain some level of social services to keep the public contented, we've seen a systematic effort to strip away social security and transfer all remaining funds over to Halliburton. No one who actually reads the Protocols for what they do in fact say is going to find much of a similarity between our world today and the imaginary world spelled out in the Protocols.

Concepts as general as controlled opposition were featured in many literary works long before the Protocols. Maurice Joly's Dialogues is one of the better known instances, but this idea has been traced back to the literary works of Alexander Dumas. Have you ever read any of the other works from which the Protocols were clearly cribbed? For instance, Joly's Dialogues? If we focus on the features which set the Protocols apart from the ones which it was modeled after, Maurice Joly's Dialogues presents a more accurate future social model with wild deficit spending. That sounds like what we've got today. The Protocols are quite different. They were written in an effort to smear social revolutionary movements of that time and so they present a labor theory of value and argue that when the Elders are in control everything will be managed carefully with an awareness of labor as the source of all value and that the ordinary laborer will be kept contented by insuring that their day-to-day needs are all met. That has zero resemblance to anything which has come out of Washington since Reagan took office.

If one is seeking to judge a question such as to what extent are the Protocols really more of an actual revelation of something or other than, say, Joly's Dialogues (or multiple other literary works by Dumas and similar authors which preceded Joly), then one should seek to identify the points which distinguish the Protocols.

For example, in the Twenty-First Dialogue Joly has Machiavelli preaching the idea that:

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It [the state] can refinance all its uncovered debts in just the same way--treasury bonds, debts owed to municpalities and banks. This applies just to all debts that form a part of what is rather picturesquely called "the floating debt," that is, debts that have no fixed basis and which mature in the more or less distant future... Far from dreading a policy that sees the national debt increase and constantly refinanced, I would want the entire public fortune tied to government bonds... Every last cent in my kingdom would depend on my continued existence.
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In contrast, Protocol 21 tells us that:

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... nowadays all internal loans are consolidated by so-called flying loans, that is, such as have terms of payment more or less near... If left for long at the disposition of a government these funds evaporate in the payment of interest on foreign loans... When we ascend the throne all of these finances and similar shifts, as not being in accord with our interests, will be swept away so as not to leave a trace, as also will be destroyed all money markets... We shall replace the money markets by grandiose government credit institutions, the object of which will be to fix the price of industrial values in accordance with government views.
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Clearly the picture drawn in the Dialogues is much closer to our reality in the last 25 years, although I don't think that one can really understand the modern world by leaning very much on literary fictions from a century ago. Still, Joly's picture of a government that constantly refinances itself with an increasing national debt is much more related to what we've seen for a few decades now than is the image of drawn in the Protocols of money markets being abolished. These are exactly the types of discrepancies which a logical inquiry into the question of whether or not the Protocols were really a blueprint for the 20th century should address. Without that, we're just going back to the simple observation that literary authors such as Dumas, Joly, and others have often suggested dangers of public manipulation through public relations and, yes, of course, we have seen that realized to an enormous degree.

People seem to attach themselves to certain items like the Protocols based more upon a perceived ideological affiliation with the piece. I don't think that the overused charge of "anti-Semitism" captures that problem adequately, but the problem is real enough. People don't really approach such items according to the normal rules of logic by which one tests the authenticity or relevance of a document. Something about the Protocols touches an ideological chord in some people more strongly than do the Dialogues or other similar pieces which preceded them.

One very important background cultural influence in making possible the agenda of the Reagan administration was the fact that Right-wing voters had been influenced by such themes as:

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Protocol No. 20

From this follows that taxation will best be covered by a progressive tax on property. In this manner the dues will be paid without straitening or ruining anybody in the form of a percentage of the amount of property. The rich must be aware that it is their duty to place a part of their superfluities at the disposal of the State since the State guarantees them security of possession of the rest of their property and the right of honest gains. I say honest, for the control over property will do away with robbery on a legal basis. The social reform must come from above, for the time is ripe for it -- it is indispensable as a pledge of peace. The tax upon the poor man is a seed of revolution and works to the detriment of the state which in hunting after the trifling is missing the big... A tax increasing in percentage ratio to capital will give a much larger venue than the present individual or property tax... The force upon which our king will rest consists in the equilibrium and the guarantee of peace, for the sake of which things it is indispensable that the capitalists should yield up a portion of their incomes for the sake of the secure working of the machinery of the State. State needs must be paid by those who will not feel the burden and have enough to take from...
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This is diametrically the opposite of what the USA has seen since 1980. Many ordinary conservative voters who supported the cuts on capital gains carried out by the Bush administration were strongly influenced by cultural influences, some of whose message is derived from this theme in Protocol No. 20. If the Elders believe that they must set up taxes "increasing in percentage ratio to capital," then abolishing the capital gains tax will be a way of thwarting the Elders. Only now we have to deal with the mess that has been created by this.

If we're just going to go back to the stuff about media control, all of that appears in Maurice Joly's DIALOGUES. The Protocols do not have anything new to add to what Joly produced with regards to comments about controlled opposition. All of that is in Joly already and I'm told that Joly's material was lifted from Alexander Dumas, though I haven't searched it that far back yet.

In a much earlier era, when Democratic administrations in the first half of the last century actually were advocating taxes on the rich and funding of social services, people used to point to the Protocols as a way of arguing that such taxation and social service policy was serving a hidden evil end. But this has not been an issue since the steady trend for these last few decades has been to remove taxes on the rich and shift social costs steadily down onto the lower levels of society. That clearly is not what the Protocols present as their hypothesized social construction.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

excellent patrick.. i have not gone deep enough myself reading the protocols or anything similar, so this explanation was critical in answering thr first post.
thanks...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way this argument still resonates, is that people think that taxing incomes of $30,000 - $90,000 in the US and giving minimal welfare to people making less than $10,000 or so, amounts to "taxing wealth".

They look around them.

They fail to look at the BILLIONS of dollars going to the military and high tech. I just read about Bush allocating $44 BILLION to 12 Big Pharma Corporations for research into Biological Warfare. In secret.

According to Joe Stiglitz, the war is expected to cost upwards of $2 TRILLION, for no benefits, actually worse case for US hegemony, more destabilization amongst "our enemies".

Your average conservative is pissed off cause some Mexicans got food stamps or some 'niggers' got subsidized housing, and they think that THIS is what their taxes (and inflation) are paying for.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dilbert_g wrote:
The way this argument still resonates, is that people think that taxing incomes of $30,000 - $90,000 in the US and giving minimal welfare to people making less than $10,000 or so, amounts to "taxing wealth".

They look around them.

They fail to look at the BILLIONS of dollars going to the military and high tech. I just read about Bush allocating $44 BILLION to 12 Big Pharma Corporations for research into Biological Warfare. In secret.

According to Joe Stiglitz, the war is expected to cost upwards of $2 TRILLION, for no benefits, actually worse case for US hegemony, more destabilization amongst "our enemies".

Your average conservative is pissed off cause some Mexicans got food stamps or some 'niggers' got subsidized housing, and they think that THIS is what their taxes (and inflation) are paying for.


They spend it on the Liberal media and all of those nasty Liberal Professors.

And bottled water.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

(and parallels closely with current events in my opinion)


Question what parts of the protocols are NOT in place. Question

PROTOCOL 1: The Basic Doctrine (Right lies in Might - Politics versus Morals - The End justifies the Means - "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" - The New Aristocracy).
PROTOCOL 2: Economic Wars (Routine scientific government - Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzcheism - Press-inculcated mentality).
PROTOCOL 3: Methods of Conquest (The Symbolic Snake* - "People's Rights" - Liquidation of the Goyim - "Sovereign Lord of the World" - Universal economic crisis - "Ours they will not touch..." - Secret masonic agents).
*Genesis 3:14 And the "I AM" God said unto the serpent (Satan), Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
PROTOCOL 4: Materialism Replaces Religion (Stages of a Republic - Gentile masonry a screen - International speculation of industry - Cult of Gold).
PROTOCOL 5: Despotism & Modern Progress (Centralised Government - Gulfs separating States - Sham eloquence to overcome public opinion - Super-Government Administration).
"# 7: Nowadays it is more important to disarm the peoples than to lead them into war:"
PROTOCOL 6: Take-Over Technique (Reservoirs of riches - Destruction of goy aristocracy - Vicious circle of rising prices). Control of property.
"# 4: ...It is essential therefore for us, at whatever cost, to deprive them of their land..."
PROTOCOL 7: World-Wide Wars (Encouraging an arms race - Universal war to check goy opposition - The guns of America, China and Japan). Planned world wars.
PROTOCOL 8: Provisional Government (Legal justification for audacity - Super-educational training - Control of bankers, industrialists and capitalists). Control of businesses.
PROTOCOL 9: Re-Education (Meaning of anti-semitism - Source of the all-engulfing terror - Boosting of false theories). Control of education.
PROTOCOL 10: Preparing for Power (Camouflaged political freedom - Universal suffrage - The rise of republics - Transition to masonic despotism - Proclamation of the "Lord of all the World" - Inoculation of diseases).
PROTOCOL 11: The Totalitarian State (The new constitution - Abolition of the rights of man - "Show" army of masonic lodges).
PROTOCOL 12: Control of the Press (Masonic "freedom" - Control of printing and publishing - Vishnu, idol of the Press). Control of media/publishing/information.
PROTOCOL 13: Distractions (Daily bread - Recreation centres - The unsuspected plan).
PROTOCOL 14: Assault on Religion (Destruction of existing religions and substitution of the religion of the Talmud [whilst pretending it to be of Moses] - A new era of slavery - Pornography encouraged in progressive countries).
PROTOCOL 15: Ruthless Suppression (Simultaneous world revolution - Purpose and direction of masonry - The Chosen People - Dogmatic right of the strong - The King of Israel).
PROTOCOL 16: Brainwashing (Emasculation of the Universities - Abolition of freedom of instruction).
PROTOCOL 17: Abuse of Authority (The demoralisation of Justice - Wrecking of the Christian religion - Jewish Patriarch Pope of the universe - Secret police employing public informers).
PROTOCOL 18: Arrest of Opponents (Measures of secret defence - Undermining authority).
PROTOCOL 19: Rulers and People (Making use of public petitions - debasing heroism - Martyrdom of sedition-mongers).
PROTOCOL 20: Financial Programme (Progressive taxation - Stagnant capital - the ruinous Gold Standard). Control of money systems, taxation.
PROTOCOL 21: Loans and Credit (Bankruptcy - Abolition of money markets).
PROTOCOL 22: Power of Gold (The secret of what is coming - Mysticism of the new authority and the reverent fear of the people).
PROTOCOL 23: Instilling Obedience (Cutting down of luxury goods - The supreme lord to replace all existing rulers).
PROTOCOL 24: Qualities of the Ruler (Selecting and training the seed of David).


http://jahtruth.net/illumin.htm



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

city trader wrote:
Question what parts of the protocols are NOT in place. Question


Reading about Northern Rock recently I encountered a comment about how:

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http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/sep2007/rock-s17.shtml

Its strategy was to use funds raised in the money markets to offer cut-rate loans to home-buyers, thereby increasing its market share and boosting profits. Operating on a tight margin between the interest rates at which it borrowed and those at which it lent, it sought to compensate for the narrow spread by a large turnover.
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Now I know that Protocol 21 tells us that:

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When we ascend the throne all of these finances and similar shifts, as not being in accord with our interests, will be swept away so as not to leave a trace, as also will be destroyed all money markets... We shall replace the money markets by grandiose government credit institutions, the object of which will be to fix the price of industrial values in accordance with government views.
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It doesn't sound like that's in place. I don't expect that it's about to be put in place either, at least not under the capitalist system.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickSMcNally wrote:
city trader wrote:
Question what parts of the protocols are NOT in place. Question


Reading about Northern Rock recently I encountered a comment about how:

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http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/sep2007/rock-s17.shtml

Its strategy was to use funds raised in the money markets to offer cut-rate loans to home-buyers, thereby increasing its market share and boosting profits. Operating on a tight margin between the interest rates at which it borrowed and those at which it lent, it sought to compensate for the narrow spread by a large turnover.
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Now I know that Protocol 21 tells us that:

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When we ascend the throne all of these finances and similar shifts, as not being in accord with our interests, will be swept away so as not to leave a trace, as also will be destroyed all money markets... We shall replace the money markets by grandiose government credit institutions, the object of which will be to fix the price of industrial values in accordance with government views.
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It doesn't sound that's in place. I don't expect that it's about to be put in place either, at least not under the capitalist system.



Patrick, where can you borrow money, intrest free Question



PROTOCOL 21
LOANS AND CREDIT
Bankruptcy ñ Abolition of money markets
1. To what I reported to you at the last meeting I shall now add a detailed explanation of internal loans. Of foreign loans I shall say nothing more, because they have fed us with national moneys of the goyim, but for our State there will be no foreigners, that is, nothing external.

2. We have taken advantage of the venality of administrators and slackness of rulers to get our moneys twice, thrice and more times over, by lending to the goy governments moneys which were not at all needed by the States. Could anyone do the like in regard to us....Therefore, I shall only deal with the details of internal loans.

3. States announce that such a loan is to be concluded and open subscriptions for their own bills of exchange, that is, for their interest-bearing paper. That they may be within the reach of all the price is determined at from a hundred to a thousand; and a discount is made for the earliest subscribers. Next day by artificial means the price of them goes up, the alleged reason being that everyone is rushing to buy them. In a few days the treasury safes are as they say overflowing and there's more money than they can do with (why then take it?). The subscription, it is alleged, covers many times over the issue total of the loan; in this lies the whole stage effect ñ look you, they say, what confidence is shown in the government's bills of exchange.

4. But when the comedy is played out there emerges the fact that a debit and an exceedingly burdensome debit has been created. For the payment of interest it becomes necessary to have recourse to new loans, which do not swallow up but only add to the capital debt. And when this credit is exhausted it becomes necessary by new taxes to cover, not the loan, but only the interest on it. These taxes are a debit employed to cover a debit....

5. Later comes the time for conversions, but they diminish the payment of interest without covering the debt, and besides they cannot be made without the consent of the lenders; on announcing a conversion, a proposal is made to return the money to those who are not willing to convert their paper. If everybody expressed his unwillingness and demanded his money back, the government would be hooked on their own files and would be found insolvent and unable to pay the proposed sums. By good luck the subjects of the goy governments, knowing nothing about financial affairs, have always preferred losses on exchange and diminution of interest to the risk of new investments of their moneys, and have thereby many a time enabled these governments to throw off their shoulders a debit of several millions.

6. Nowadays, with external loans, these tricks cannot be played by the goyim for they know that we shall demand all our moneys back.

7. In this way in acknowledged bankruptcy will best prove to the various countries the absence of any means between the interest of the peoples and of those who rule them.

8. I beg you to concentrate your particular attention upon this point and upon the following: nowadays all internal loans are consolidated by so-called flying loans, that is, such as have terms of payment more or less near. These debts consist of moneys paid into the savings banks and reserve funds. If left for long at the disposition of a government these funds evaporate in the payment of interest on foreign loans, and are placed by the deposit of equivalent amount of rents.

9. And these last it is which patch up all the leaks in the State treasuries of the goyim.

10. When we ascend the throne of the world all these financial and similar shifts, as being not in accord with our interests, will be swept away so as not to leave a trace, as also will be destroyed all money markets, since we shall not allow the prestige of our power to be shaken by fluctuations of prices set upon our values, which we shall announce by law at the price which represents their full worth without any possibility of lowering or raising. (Raising gives the pretext for lowering, which indeed was where we made a beginning in relation to the values of the goyim.)

11. We shall replace the money markets by grandiose government credit institutions, the object of which will be to fix the price of industrial values in accordance with government views. These institutions will be in a position to fling upon the market five hundred millions of industrial paper in one day, or to buy up for the same amount. In this way all industrial undertakings will come into dependence upon us. You may imagine for yourselves what immense power we shall thereby secure for ourselves....
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deuteronomy 23:19 Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of
money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury:
http://jahtruth.net/kofkad.htm


Andrew:Warwickshire,UK.
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