My response to events leading to my BFN supension

[obeylittle]

As most of you regulars here know, I was suspended from these forums over two weeks ago after posting information in a thread authored by Drew Terry. That entire original thread was also deleted after the forum Admin present at that time of my posting, deleted a select few individual posts firstly. Her contention seemed to stem from my final post in that thread wherein I posted website links to public WhoIs search engine information and also related (through information gleaned from those same WhoIs search returns) a public personal vanity website and at least one document link. One of those website links I published here were pointing directly to a personal vanity website owned and operated by a Mr. Steven Hertzberg.

That post got me suspended here and for no apparent reason -- other than to protect (questioned by me directly whether or not Navari is/was a "Rat" (my term used)) a forum member alledgedly calling himself Navari, whom chose to author a personal and public website revealing his professional occupation and other identifiable information -- the entire thread was eventually deleted from public view after a few minutes of alteration and furious deletions of several individual posts that contributed to the context of those contentions. Those editing and deletion actions by the forum Admin on duty and another forum member in the minutes preceding and following my final post are highly questionable as to their intent and purpose. And ultimately, a great lie was formed and posted in another thread by that forum Admin on duty whom apparently performed those furious deletions.

That lie was that: one forum member here calling himself "obeylittle" had posted personally identifiable information in the forum in an unethical manner where in fact; "obeylittle" had posted on this forum; only public website links obtained through public WhoIs searches. Forum member "obeylittle" was accused of performing unethical acts while in reality were only connecting dots in an analytical manner using public information provided by the member in question. Other members here supported that forum Admin's actions and offered no lines of questioning that may have alerted others as to what had actually happened in that thread. That is unfortunate and I am deeply concerned for you whom are those guilty suckers.

I declare here and now that I am that forum member, "obeylittle" whom was suspended, and I am here to set the record straight. I will repost the links and information from my final thread in context with the original as best as I can from memory -- that I had linked to in that original and final post.

This is my personal response to original (and I maintain as ethically) posted information, in my personal opinion. I won't waver from that standpoint. I will hold in reserve any personal comments or analysis based on my personal opinions or findings beyond these introductory paragraphs in this post. Also note while reading the following; that in a personal effort to remain fair, some contextual information will be withheld by me in this first post -- because a forum member calling himself "Drew Terry" remains under suspension here as I understand (and so cannot personally respond as of this date and time). I will state that "Drew Terry" played a role in the following accounts but I cannot provide those details unless he is allowed to respond to them here in public. As I presently understand, Navari and Ormond have voluntarily left these forums but both remain free to respond should they wish.

The following contains my originally posted links:

http://whois.domaintools.com/fullspectrumliberty.com (From that WhoIs web page I clicked the linked "Reverse IP" and continued my searches through publicly available (and allegedly personally identifiable to one: "Navari") information)

http://whois.domaintools.com/pathocrat.com (From that public WhoIs page for pathocrat.com I quoted the following:)

[Peter]

Cool. With all of this expunging of records etc. the smell of rat is indeed in the air.

[puffdaddy]

So...this entire Break For News is in reality Break-Your-Balls? One big mind fuck by some jew in SFCA? Probably paying off who knows who and posting as multiple aliases etc.... Well....spank my monkey!

[lurker]

obeylittle, how did you get UNsuspended to post this? Is there a procedure to follow? Thanks for all the info. I knew navari was called Steven but wondered why his website address in the Member list was for Skype! As for Ormond, his real name is apparently Dan Butler, according to the Psychopath audio. So I do remain a little confused...

[Peter]

There is also the subterfuge of creating a ruckus so as to divert the attention of certain and to get others to target the innocent during the feeding frenzy.

[Fintan]

Ok.

Well I am finding out as much about all this as others already know.

As some are aware, I was away for four days when the whole incident
came up, and as the thread had been deleted I took on face value
assertions made by Kathy and others that Obeylittle has posted personal
info of Navari's on the forum.

I suspended obeylittle and Drew Terry's accounts, but I did not delete
their accounts, and in a post I made about the suspensions I clearly left
the door open to them to respond. It was not a final decision. Merely
a suspension until they could respond.

Navari and Ormond had left anyway and Drew Terry declined to respond
substantively, and there things rested until I read an email from obeylittle
early today.

Which is when I found out that Navari's personal info had already been
on the internet and obeylittle merely connected some dots.

I immediately reinstated his acount with my apologies.

Navari can hardly complain about his personal details being discussed,
if they are already on the net.

And I agree that the thread should not have been deleted. It was
unfortunate that was done as it left me totally unable to judge events
when I came back from my trip.

I repeat that I only suspended accounts, and I think it is the responsibility
of a forum admin to be more than fair in these situations and to be seen
to be fair.

Furthermore, the topic of the Holocaust is the only major NOT topic here
on BFN - and that is for known strategic reasons. However if any members
think it should be open for discussion, let's have a discussion about that.
Just start a thread.

The other no-no is personal abuse without accompanying argument.
Heat of the moment is excusable but persistently attacking another
member without making any actual argument or point is a waste of
all our time.

BFN has been and will continue to strive to be an open and fair venue.

I will study the info from obeylittle and get a handle on it.
I'm still playing catch-up.

[Paulo_Freire]

I have a lot of ideas about this, but will stay silent. One has to pick their battles.

But it has felt to me that there are packs of astroturfers who do show up all over the internet forums. I don't think this is paranoia, there are legitemate sources which admit to it, albeit in different words.

Wag the World

Strange, but when I plug in the search terms I used before, this cached link doesn't show up. Did someone forget to totally delete the cached version?

It appears that a few amateur web sleuths have uncovered something going on here. Could paid bloggers have just been exposed?

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All Aircraft Are Not Involved

[jirons]

Fintan

[J Ruthless]

Regardless of whether or not this "Navari" character is or is not Mr. Steven Hertzberg, i have reason to believe that Mr. Steven Hertzberg is/was familiar with Fintan Dunne/BFN.

I just came across this link to youtube while on my Google quest for cached pages of the thread.
http://www.youtube.com/user/FintanDunne

Check out who his only subscriber is......

A person calling himself StevenStevenSteven as his youtube screen name, coincidentally similar to Mr. Hertzbergs email stevenstevensteven@yahoo.com.
Check out some of the videos he has.......anybody recognize that guy in one of his videos?...ill give you a hint, hes running for pres.

[PatrickSMcNally]

[Paulo_Freire]

It'd be nice if the holocaust deniers would stop trying to derail this thread.

[Ozregeneration]

Greetings Mark,

Glad to see you back to clarify things. You are one sleuth dude.

Pity we couldn't meet up on Friday, I would have enjoyed the banter.

Oh well, off now to prepare for my 2 week adventure of a lifetime.

Cheers

Oz (David)

[Paulo_Freire]

[J Ruthless]

I read that last page of the thread and it makes me question what Kathy considered "Vile" about it? I understand the misunderstanding about personal info, but shy from the futile threats, i didn't see any reason to delete the posts. Of course i'm only going by the last page, so the vileness could have been on the previous pages.

[Peter]

Gee, poor Fintan has only ONE subscriber and it is Steven? What, Steven couldn't (or didn't have time to) register more names to provide a larger sample to make it look LESS suspicious?

I watched a great 9-11 vid from 9-11truth.org today......I can understand why the PTB are starting to get nervous. Watch how quickly they apply the new executive order to silence 9-11 resistance as undermining the resolve to secure Iraq....