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DrewTerry
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Law Rule Reply with quote

Rule of Law = Law to Rule

The reason for the strict hierarchal structure that is the heart and soul of the Rule of Law is simply this:

No Rule of Law = No Law to Rule

Without society based on the infinite variations of combinations of the byzantine overlapping quadruple redundancy of confusion, contradiction and conundrum IS LAW and ORDER --

(sentence intentionally butchered for effect of law-like fog-headedness - put to sleep fast!)

How to CONTROL the ORDER and MANIPULATE the interpretatioon of LAW if NO law exists?

Exactly.

The Rule of Law is for the protection and to benefit the PTB;

The Law they Rule is for the illusion of safety and security in a civilized society - civilized only because the Right to Privacy conceals the TRUTH.

When the TRUTH is known there will be PEACE on EARTH. There will not be WAR - THAT is what the PRB hope to create - but if we do not fight because the emperor has no clothes - well, run l'il PTB run run run...

(But the ratings this season are the worst in the history of PTB, and next season who knows what actors will retain their roles...)

It is necessary to have the law in order to break the law;

To enforce the law abiding in order to conceal the law deciding;

The judge and jury are to ostensibly guarantee the right to impartiality in the guarantee of a fair and speedy trial;

Yet the sheer idiocy involved in finding 12 people who are competent to render judgement in good faith on the fate of another human being;

Must also be likewise entirely uninformed or at the very least disconnected from day to day interaction where they live and serve in order to meet the criteria that is allegedly for a fair and impartial trial?

That has been joked about for years and years - but it is time we looked at that and anything else that is obviously a wolf in sheeps clothing mis-direction - and sheer them!

It shouldn't be too difficult to spot the sheep in the summer - they will all be sweating and swearing and just may be too hot to bare the heat and instead be left hanging all by themselves.

BE Drastic. DO Nothing. IN Consciousness.

(* If by chance the ideas above are not mine or bear any resemblance to any other ideas - I do not claim to be the originator and may be remembering something I read - and not that I read it. Besides, who gives a fuck who comes up with what when where for anyway? The whole concept of credit for ideas just divides the self into ego with pride. However ideas manifest as thoughts in my mind is to me the clear and present confirmation of spirituality in some sense that shall remain as it is to each of us.

When we remain indifferent to the ego and its desire for recognition and approval; two desires which conceal the lack of development, the ego thinks to fill the void it perceives as lacking; it may also be perceived as not lack to fill but layers blocking light so the dark may be mis-understood as void; trying to fill any vessel with the layer covered opening makes a big mess;

(All guys have at least once in our lives started pissing with the toilet seat down while standing up, or (much, much worse) sat down without looking in an 'emergency' and the seat was down -- college was so much fun, wasn't it? You could take that and turn it into a hall-sport drinking game back in the day...not now)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:10 am    Post subject: Hello Reply with quote

Hello..(wave)

Finally made it back to my mac. Ooohweeee, the acceleration of the evolution is consciously palpable just in this thread alone...since the first Goodbye from Zak..
can you feel it?

This thread is even more better (grammar intended) than the one that got pulled. And that one was pretty good warts and all.

I love the posts here. I love this site. I've learned so much and want to more.

As far as navari and what he does or doesn't represent, i had a conversation with Rump..and i agree with what he said..and i quote>
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If he's innocent, he should stay and fight it. If he's an outed plant, he should move on.
A case of mistaken identity would be simple to prove, you'd think.


As Gary said:
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On the other hand, if someone's JOB is to be part of the national political machine, and then they come here and deliver content and influence without stating who they are, that's a little like the Jeff Gannon/James Guckert/Talon News/GOP-USA scandal. No, that's a LOT like the Jeff Gannon/James Guckert/Talon News/GOP-USA scandal.

Uh...yeaahh!


The bedouin concept as proposed by Drew or whoever he is channeling (credit not neccesary)
BE Drastic DO Nothing IN Consciousness
found a synchronized companion here in Jerry Fletcher's post on the RP thread:

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And maybe looking for the one best thing for all individuals to do isn't as productive as each individual looking for the unique thing that they do best.


I think we're already doing it.

In the meantime, i'll be busy getting ready for my cross country CIA backed concert tour this fall, just so you know. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Goodbye Reply with quote

So....uh....would anyone here be kind enough to fill the rest of us in? I feel like we missed out on something. I would hate to see zak and DT leave. One would think that Navari would make a stand and explain to us all, but I guess he prefers to reamain an anonymous coward.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:27 am    Post subject: Every square peg deserves a square hole..... Reply with quote

Just make a "no holds barred" section and have a sub-section reserved for "deleted" threads. Let the pigs wallow, if they will, and all those that wish to abstain will also be free to do so.

Eternity is a long time to live with your regrets....

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:30 am    Post subject: Owed by everyone to everyone which explains its short supply Reply with quote

And the word was good...

A Word’s Worth


We know this word,
and what it means;
this riddle is,
just what it seems.


It can be given, but not taken;
without it, choice, must be forsaken.

It can be owed, but not borrowed;
those who have it, are soon followed.

It can be valued, but never bought;
and for its lack, we’ve often fought.

It can be found, but not pursued;
and when misplaced, it is abused.

And just like love, from the same source;
This word we know, it is, of course,




RESPECT

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So....uh....would anyone here be kind enough to fill the rest of us in? I feel like we missed out on something. I would hate to see zak and DT leave. One would think that Navari would make a stand and explain to us all, but I guess he prefers to reamain an anonymous coward.


Obeylittle posted some information about Navari that would lend credence to the notion that Navari had hidden motives for being an active forum member (see dilbert g's comments on this thread). I read obeylittle's post, made a post myself concerning an earlier portion of the thread, and by the time I posted my thoughts obeylittle's post attempting to out Navari as a "rat" (his term) was gone. Apparently some of Zak and Drew's posts were deleted too, although I didn't see this personally. Kathy then began a thread titled "abuse and personal attacks will not be tolerated" that you can see currently under the general discussion heading.

Zak protested (as you can see with the first post of this thread), Drew agreed with Zak, and Kathy decided to delete the entire "Wag the world" thread, ostensibly because of vile content and the publication of personal information about Navari.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:05 am    Post subject: what is a shill Reply with quote

A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services or a political group, who pretends no association to the seller/group and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer. The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage others unaware of the set-up to purchase said goods or services or support the political group's ideological claims. Shills are often employed by confidence artists and governments.

The word "shill" is probably related to "shilliber", or alternatively "shillaber", a word of obscure early-20th century origin with the same meaning. One possible explanation for the origin of the word is the English name "Shillibeer". George Shillibeer was an entrepreneur who developed the first commercial bus service in the UK. Shillibeer was believed to employ confederates who could help him solicit more customers for his bus line.

In the UK the term plant is used, being similar with the North American 'shill' in many instances, referring to having someone planted in the audience or in a crowd, or 'to plant drugs' (on someone).

Shilling is illegal in many circumstances and in many jurisdictions because of the frequently fraudulent and damaging character of their actions. However, if a shill does not place uninformed parties at a risk of loss, but merely generates “buzz,” the shill's actions may be legal. For example, a person planted in an audience to laugh and applaud when appropriate (see "claque") or to participate in on-stage activities as a "random member of the audience", is a type of legal shill.

'Shill' can also be used pejoratively to describe a critic who appears either all-too-eager to heap glowing praise upon mediocre offerings, or who acts as an apologist for glaring flaws. In this sense, they would be an implicit 'shill' for the industry at large, as their income is tied to its prosperity.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter wrote:

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Just make a "no holds barred" section and have a sub-section reserved for "deleted" threads. Let the pigs wallow, if they will, and all those that wish to abstain will also be free to do so.


The current discussion has nothing to do with "vile" content anymore. The content of the deleted thread was not that vile. You would hear worse at a sporting event.

It is the timing of the deletion of the thread that is under scrutiny. As I stated previously, obeylittle pubished some personal information about Navari that would make Navari's presence here seem dubious. This post was almost immediately deleted, and soon after the the entire thread was deleted.

If Navari intentions here are sincere, then the content of some of the posts could be considered abusive and probably should not be tolerated. If, however, Navari's intentions here are insincere, the so-called "vileness" of the personal attacks on Navari would pale in comparison to the vileness of the actions of one who would attempt to derail this forum.

Personally, I have always liked Navari. I interpreted his support for Ron Paul as support for transcendent American ideals. The information published by obeylittle, however, puts Navari's credibility into question, and it is time for Navari to speak up and defend himself.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In addition to uniting as many people as possible (I might be mistaken):

Isnt one of the main agendas of this site to rat out the CIA fakes (direct and indirect ones)? I remember some Dale took the 'Alex Jones/CIA fake'-theory to a 911 UK site, wheresas a large number of people got angry and decided it was time to personally attack the theory and those that backed it. Dunne then came in and asked to be judged by the "evidence".

If its like EddieT explains, then I wonder whats the problem here. You can suspect other sites and persons, but not certain people on the forum, cause that would be breaking the forum rules. So if Alex Jones joins the forum, then you have to lay off his private affairs? Or do you have to "prove" something before you post your theory?

Was Wag the World the topic that started with Ian Xel Lungold and his views on the Mayan Calendar theory that was invented/researched by Carl Calleman? I do like the lecture he has on video.google.com, when hes not wearing white pants Very Happy

Im new though, I probably dont understand anything. Just sad to see Zak go, certainly when he revealed he was an arab. His posts was always interesting, and I dont never hear the views of an arab so in to conspiracies. In a couple of days he was one of the posters that stood out. Sad to see you leave ..

Interesting event though. I guess I should pay attention to this one Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:38 am    Post subject: Goodbye Reply with quote

Cain't we just get abong....I mean along? DrewTerry said it best and I think we should just let this dawg sleep. This dawg caint hunt no mo anyhow. Time fo a new thread or a freshie! Let's not waste time and energy on this one. Also, I like the no holes barred idea for a new category on this here fo-um. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:55 am    Post subject: Goodbye Reply with quote

Puffdaddy was the name of my Bulldog. My nabe ran over him in his SUV accidently. I named him Puffdaddy after a very cool taxi driver on St. John, VI back in the day when I had both time, money and youth. Idea
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Goodbye Reply with quote

puffdaddy wrote:
Cain't we just get abong....I mean along? DrewTerry said it best and I think we should just let this dawg sleep. This dawg caint hunt no mo anyhow. Time fo a new thread or a freshie! Let's not waste time and energy on this one. Also, I like the no holes barred idea for a new category on this here fo-um. Laughing


I NEVER SAID any part of that above!!

Do what you feel is best for you - which includes doing nothing as doing something - paying attention by not doing but being - indifferent.

What I am not doing is in any way shape form pretending that what went DOWN THE MEMORY HOLE never existed - pay attention to the scripts to be aware the roles not to play

To let it go? No time to waste to be long gone.

Trust requires transparency. Integrity demands consistency.

Only a violation of trust and integrity needs explanation; transparency and consistency see through it all.

This is not Kathy's but Fintan's responsibility to resolve the questions and contributions that have been made by all before any resolution is adopted or judgement rendered.

I am sure Kathy would if given the choice prefer she was not in the position to make the choice she did as the responsibility, albeit however temporary, she accepted and did her absolute best to make the right decision according to what she knew at the time in the way she viewed the situation.

I congratulate her for making the decision AND sticking to it - that takes fortitude and right or wrong is temporary - because the responsibility requires Fintans input. Kathy did what was right to do at the time she did it - exactly what she agreed to do - and did not shrink in the face of diissent.

I feel she deserves our respect and gratitude. Thank you, Kathy!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, now I can go back to my animal rescue work and my neem work

Take care

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:33 pm    Post subject: Goodbye Reply with quote

DrewTerry i read your posts and thought they were perfect and agree with them, but I was only saying that I thought maybe it was be time to drop it and move on. I never said that you said anything except that I liked your posts. I was only trying to mitigate the hostilities. I am sincerely sorry if I offended you.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrewTerry wrote:
only one reason for concealing your identity from the general public in any forum = to conceal the hidden agenda and the nefarious nature of the anonymous on-line identity that everyone thinks is so critical to remain anonymous.

Think about this: where did the idea come from that on-line real name usage was to be avoided?

...."identity theft" to keep the fear of on-line identity fresh in the mind?

Does anyone really believe that there is a risk not imagined to using your real name?

Afraid of being who you are means being in a constant state of lack, because without a real name there eliminates any real chance of real repercussions stemming from real behavior rendered anonymously and thus without consequences.



i am no longer afraid,
my name is Brian Strong
i live in a cabin here in
Naramata BC Canada

Fintan, Kind Sir,
can you change my username to BrianStrong

cause them points i quoted i reread, and the second time they still hit home

so thanks for showing me another way to help keep it real

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