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Rumpl4skn



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:21 pm    Post subject: Brainstorming the Future Reply with quote

Okay, I had too much coffee today, and I need everyone and anyone to weigh in on something.

My take the past year or so has been that the globalists or the G8 or the Bilderbergers or whomever the fuck is running this show have been preparing for a predetermined swing back to the Left in the U.S., in terms of Congressional power in '06 and Hillary in '08. The theory being, of course, that neither party (of the 2 'allowable' parties in this sham, under the current political 'system') is allowed to flounder outside of power for too long, or there would be real 3rd party grumblings or a movement. And a 3 dimensional paradigm is much more difficult to manipulate and control.

But lately, I've had an awful feeling. What if the gameplan in November is not to allow this shift back towards the Left, but instead to allow the Democrats to assume they are going to come back to power, when in reality some new "War on Terror" trump cards will be played to rescue the Republicans. I.e., the al-Qaeda scam is played to the max, elections are stolen again, and the result is blamed on Democrats not taking the threats seriously?

This flies in the face of everything I believe about the manipulation of our political system, but then... maybe we're in a new age now, and all bets are off. Check the appropriate box below:

    Yes, the GOP may again triumph in November
    No, the basic pendulum shift plan has not changed
    Get back on your meds

I'm just watching this "new terror leader in Iraq" being shoved down everyone's collective throat, and cries of a "possible turning point" in the war. I realize, of course, that some of this is to shore up sagging opinions amongst the far right, so as not to have the party disintegrate from political depression in November.

If you don't agree with my original hypothesis about control of the 2-party system, then... thanks anyway. That's the base from which I'm working. Right or wrong. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no 2-party system that this the show. I am sure you know this. Dont worry these guys will never win they have already lost. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:37 pm    Post subject: Congratulations Reply with quote

You have officially dragged yourself (kicking and screaming Wink ) to the next level! The big question now is ... how many more "terrorists" are on "ice", waiting to be paraded before the sheep? Are they finished with the freshly thawed bogey men for 2006 and the big reveal will be in 2008 ... any bets?

- Hawk

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Congratulations Reply with quote

hawkwind wrote:
You have officially dragged yourself (kicking and screaming Wink ) to the next level! The big question now is ... how many more "terrorists" are on "ice", waiting to be paraded before the sheep? Are they finished with the freshly thawed bogey men for 2006 and the big reveal will be in 2008 ... any bets?

- Hawk

I couldn't help but notice the different approach with this al-Masri or whatever his CIA name is. His name means "the Egyptian", supposedly, and they're making a much closer Osama connection and al-Zawahiri (who is also Egyptian) connection.

Yet, there were messages of "will he be as effective as Zarqawi?" from the paid stooge experts on the TV today. I would assume the scam is to provide a continued excuse for the Iraq violence to not be all attributable to ordinary Iraqis who simply hate our guts (98% of them), and when necessary, be able to lay blame for bad news at the foot of some phony figurehead who's obviously 'running the insurgency show.' And, as always, the myth of a highly organized global terror network is continued, ad infinitum.

Plus, you create another sacrificial lamb that can be publicly disposed of when they need a bump in U.S. opinion polls.

My question is - is this guy even real? How could they get another stooge/moron to sign up for this gig, this painfully (pun intended) obvious suicide mission of "heading the insurgency"? They found someone with no access to any recent media at all?

Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But lately, I've had an awful feeling. What if the gameplan in November is not to allow this shift back towards the Left, but instead to allow the Democrats to assume they are going to come back to power, when in reality some new "War on Terror" trump cards will be played to rescue the Republicans.


It could happen. Both sides are in the same deep pockets anyway. The G-8 guys don't give a fuck which party we get, they'll install whomever buys them the most public apathy or stupidity in the psywar. The game seems to be keeping both the poor souls self identified with 'right' and 'left' nervous wrecks, depressed, and basically inactive. Keeping the ol' 'me vs you' dichotemy going.

But you're right, Rumple. The suspense is definitely on, even for us wised up folks.
My money is on a narrow Dem recovery in the fall of 2006, maybe not even a majority...just enough to give the appearance of regaining ground.......then a white knuckle suspspense spell binder of a Presidential race this time....with Hellary seizing the throne. My hunch is on that outcome, as I see a lot of investment into the 'velvet glove' needed to temporarily put people back to sleep while they finish dismantling the national governments of USA, Canada, and Mexico to meet their 2010 deadliine.

But all bets are open, at this juncture. Yeah.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm guessing that if they want Hillary Clinton as next president, they'll want to drive the U.S. economy into the ground before the elections.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rumple wrote:
But lately, I've had an awful feeling. What if the gameplan in November is not to allow this shift back towards the Left, but instead to allow the Democrats to assume they are going to come back to power, when in reality some new "War on Terror" trump cards will be played to rescue the Republicans. I.e., the al-Qaeda scam is played to the max, elections are stolen again, and the result is blamed on Democrats not taking the threats seriously?


Hawk wrote:
You have officially dragged yourself (kicking and screaming ) to the next level! The big question now is ... how many more "terrorists" are on "ice", waiting to be paraded before the sheep? Are they finished with the freshly thawed bogey men for 2006 and the big reveal will be in 2008 ... any bets?


Hey guys -

Good questions Rumple. I think a healthy paranoia always tries to anticipate strategy at least two moves ahead. Will pursuing the obvious 'check' simply put us in position for the 'check-mate' agenda?

What we are witnessing through 'spin' is the perceptual management of the general populace, which leads us to certain presumptions as to the spinsters' agenda. Because their propaganda seems to point toward such an obvious Globalist plan, we wonder if the propaganda is secretly being 'exposed' to us because it is actually our perceptions that are being managed.

A lot of the 'spin' seems pretty lame and obvious to me these days. Believe it or not, that actually worries me, cause when everything starts making 'sense', I start to wonder if I'm following another trail of intel bread crumbs.

I no longer know if these political antics appear transparent because I'm being conditioned to think so, or if I've become such a shrewd analyst. Whenever I feel 'really smart', it usually means I'm being had. When I discuss these misgivings to friends, they say, "Dude - most people just read the news. Probably .00001 percent of the population have the perspective you do - these lies are designed for Joe Sixpack. Now you're really going too far."

I honestly don't know, because I'm unable to actually have a meaningful conversation with an 'average viewer' anymore. So I'll speculate... wildly and inconclusively.

I think we've established that the role of most media, especially corporate supported, is intended as response conditioning rather than informational empowerment. However, these media gurus, marketing specialists, and statistical analysts know our habits and thought patterns quite well, so they must also know that, in addition to Joe Sixpack, the intellectually snottier-than-thou bloggers are also consuming their media and defining their world perspectives around it's message - admittedly a different perspective than Joe's, but it's still a 'media based' look at reality. It makes sense then, that the media would somehow try to mislead both types of consumer - lie to the 'believer' and provide 'evidence' for the skeptic.

If you publish a couple 'Grand Chessboards' and throw a few 'Agenda 21' proposals around the internet, the skeptics soon 'see the bigger picture' in thousands of pages of boring UN literature laying out the globalist plan. But is 'the bigger picture' the right one, or just another distraction designed to capture the attention of the 'smart kids'?

Well, if the ultimate goal of media is perpetuate the confusion and fear in all consumers when nothing seems to go 'as expected', I'd say having everything 'all figured out' through media analysis, be it mainstream news or globalist manifesto, is a dangerous dance over quicksand. I'm beginning to suspect media is information specifically designed to maximize uncertainty on all levels, and obfuscate causal relationships entirely.

Basically, are the 'truths' we ferret out of media analysis actually carefully planted geese for us to chase? It's gnarly, cause without the media surrounding these political events, we haven't got much to discuss.

That conclusion too leaves me feeling confused and helpless - meaning at the end of the day, that's still the one thing me and Joe have in common.

Check-mate.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jerry Fletcher wrote:
Well, if the ultimate goal of media is perpetuate the confusion and fear in all consumers when nothing seems to go 'as expected', I'd say having everything 'all figured out' through media analysis, be it mainstream news or globalist manifesto, is a dangerous dance over quicksand. I'm beginning to suspect media is information specifically designed to maximize uncertainty on all levels, and obfuscate causal relationships entirely.

Basically, are the 'truths' we ferret out of media analysis actually carefully planted geese for us to chase? It's gnarly, cause without the media surrounding these political events, we haven't got much to discuss.

That conclusion too leaves me feeling confused and helpless - meaning at the end of the day, that's still the one thing me and Joe have in common.

Check-mate.


Here is some info I heard recently which you may wish to ponder on.

A lie is something you do not choose at a conscious level, it is being chosen for you

Truth is a conscious choice.

You are the creator of your reality. It intercepts at many points with the reality of your family, workmates, friends, people you meet. If there are lies within each of these groups they can intersect yours without you knowing it. Lies of the group make their way to your lies. Lies building upon lies. People then become so confused they let go and fall deeper into the outside lies.

If you don't like what you are creating, then choose something different.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of what I threw out was 'worst case scenario' conjecture to get opinions.

In all honesty, I don't see how the power elite can manage this theater if they rip the hearts out of the Democrats this November. I spend a lot of time on Liberal message boards and blogs, and there are already a ton of 'former' Democrats who have lost faith in the party, and are thinking Independant. They know Kerry laid down for Bush, they know Clinton was the best Republican President we ever had, they suspect the war on terror is mostly hype, and some of them even know Paul Wellstone was taken out by the CIA.

I think a last-minute GOP trick would convince too many on the Left that they've reached the political apocalypse, and all hell would break loose. In my world, the manipulation of politics in the U.S. (or anywhere) is not allowing one side to drown for too long. I think the rope is going to be tossed.

Note: just because the Left will slide back into power, the "War on Terra" will continue, unabated. There's too much geo-political and financial windfall to let that go away, possibly ever.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do the rounds between an ecclectic range of friends, always listening to what self-identifed 'lefty' or 'righty' opinion is from week to week.

Older Dems I know are a bit right of center, and not enthusiastic on having to support the whole liberal 'package'. They all seem to be mum on Kerry and the 2004 election, and last year's Cindy Sheehan, and Downing Street Minutes, "impending indictements" rumors around the Plame dog and pony show have left them jaded this year.

But the real breakthrough is this from an email from my old Republican buddy, who's active in the party and reflects a common sentiment in grass roots right:
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But I think the current outlook began to be ushered in during the Bush years (#1). I am convinced Clinton was actively engaged in trying to destroy our sovereignty and I am afraid this little Bush is too. As much as I hate to admit it, I have lost all trust in my government, including the ones I generally support.


Whoa! "lost all trust" in the government, including the ones they were defending with snarls and threats just two years ago. I guess anybody gets tired of making excuses for their chosen leader over and over again.

And basically, they know they've been getting screwed too. The huge tax breaks for the rich amount to under a grand a year unless you're well into the six figure tax bracket. And last year, the tradition of bankruptcy protection was removed. Republicans get into serious credit debt, too.
Most worrysome to them though, is Bush's role as schill of Globalism and de-nationalization of the United States. Dems seem slower to worry about that.

The polarization of left and right appears to be flagging. I wonder what they'll come up with next to re-galvanize that? People are starting to get wise.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:07 pm    Post subject: Straw Poll Shows Gore Preferred Dems Choice Reply with quote

Misleading headline --as it's a straw poll of progressive
democrats at the "Take Back America Conference".

It's not a poll of democratic voters. But.....

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Straw Poll Shows Al Gore is Preferred
by Whopping 68% of Democratic Voters


Just how popular is Al Gore among Democrats? A recent DailyKos.com straw poll of 11,000 voters shows an astounding 68% would support the former veep if he decided to run for president in 2008. The runners-up pale in comparison:

Al Gore: 7513 votes/68%
Russ Feingold: 1721 votes/15%
Wesley Clark: 539 votes/4%
Mark Warner: 370 votes/3 %
John Edwards: 282 votes/2%
John Kerry: 86 votes/0%
Hillary Clinton: 78 votes/0%
Bill Richardson: 67 votes/0%
Joe Biden: 56 votes/0%
Evan Bayh; 40 votes/0%
Chris Dodd: 23 votes/0%
Tom Daschle: 15 votes/0%
Tom Vilsack: 13 votes/0%

While Hillary Clinton has enjoyed early frontrunner status in the media, she is not a favorite among actual voters.

She came in behind not only Gore, but Russ Feingold, Wesley Clark, Mark Warner, John Edwards and John Kerry, in that order. Her attempts at triangulation, a la hubby Bill, have backfired, leaving voters searching for a candidate who adheres to traditional Democratic ideology.

Gore's got the political experience, the fundraising machine and the overall gravitas to be the party's nominee and take back the White House, a domicile that many think is rightfully his. His strong and early anti-war stand and pro-environment advocacy are two significant messages that resonate quite well right now with voters.

"There's a lot of love for Al Gore. I mean if he were to enter the race, I think it would turn everything upside down," said DailyKos's Markos Moulitsas Sunday on NBC's Meet the Press.

http://ostroyreport.blogspot.com/2006/06/straw-poll-shows-al-gore-is-preferred.html

Also:
http://www.fairvote.org/?page=27&pressmode=showspecific&showarticle=134
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I think of politically-unbiased polling of the general electorate, I always think of the Daily Kos first. Laughing

Correct. This "polling" was done amongst their readership (of which I admit I at times a member), and they're asking the ideologically-hip internet Democrats for their view of the new Global Warming hero and movie star, Al Gore. Of course he'd be a landslide winner.

The globalists preferred choice, Ms. Hillary, will never be fully rehabbed successfully in the eyes of the true Leftist Dems, but she can be made to look very good to the center.... and that's where elections are won and lost.

Gore's getting a ton of positive face time lately. His role in all of this? Backup Pres. candidate in the event of any problems with Hill (people do get hit by busses, you know) or Primo Veep material? I don't know - I can rarely outthink them. I'm usually ecstatic when I see the scam as it's unfolding. Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This isn't a a fully researched reply from me today. I thought to demonstrate that both Gore and Hillary are Globalist schills, but I'm too busy with work today to look up substantial sources as the scope of charting Gore and Hillary connections back to the same master is research intensive.
If anyone has already done this research in detail, please post it.

Hurridly, I'll mention that Gore is a member in good standing with the Council on Foreign Relations, as Bush and the male Clinton are. Hillary doesn't appear to be a CFR member, though she might as well be.

Also, Gore's environmental line is issue for issue copacetic with the infamous Maurice Strong's agenda, who has deep pockets backing relationship with Gore going back at least to the 2000 campaign.

Maurice Strong is a Canadian David Rockefeller protege,founder of the U.N. Environmental Program, author of the Kyoto Protocols, with ties to presidential hopeful Al Gore (FORBES, Jan. 22, 1996 and Apr. 21, 1997). He was big contributor to Gore's 2000 campaigns, thorugh donation vis controlling interest in may corporations, such as Molten Metals.

Strong has a very long dossier, so anyone who hasn't heard of should read up. This is one quick reference.
Maurice Storng: Background

Strong also had himself appointed Secretary General of the U.N., replacing Kofi Annan around 2000.

Interestingly, Hillary's name was mentioned as a possible successor to Annan back in 1999, as she was active in the UN's Commission on the Status of Women, making international headlines as a featured speaker before that body in 1998. Hillary's endorsements of US government use of UN and NATO "peace keepers" on US soil in a national emergency, is well known and documented, though I don't have time today to look all that up.

Hillary is currently promoting the disinfo notion that the Bush Administration is 'playing down' the threat of a nuclear Iran, and calling for the same sort of UN sanctions against Iran that reduced the Iraqi population to inadequate nourishment and medical care during the 1990's (in prepartion for US invasion).

Sen. Clinton Urges U.N. Sanctions Against Iran

Gore seems to be staying clear of making statements regarding Iraq, Iran, or anything to do with the full spectrum of his Presidential platform, beyond environmentalism.

I check on Daily KOS occasionally, but I'd say that a poll exclusively of KOS readers would be skewed in terms of what's actually going to happen.
It is true, though, that Hillary really isn't popular yet.
My take on KOS is that it's a satrap for smarter than anverage people who've become suspicious of either US political party.
I wasn't surprised to see Hillary wash out on the poll, but I'm surprised Gore did so well.
But it's true that if US elections relied upon broad popularity and public trust, Hillary wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of becoming president. But as Rumple deduced, the problem of installing a Democrat in the White House may be less of voter popularity, and more about how to get the public to buy it when they pull the fraud while the Republican machine 'blows it'. With a subtle wink to their co-spirator 'Democrats', of course.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it's a bit off topic, but if anyone would like to have a laugh at Al Gore, try watching the second last South Park episode,

episode 1006 Manbearpig

http://www.southparkx.net/episodes/1006-manbearpig
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:53 am    Post subject: Re: Congratulations Reply with quote

Rumpl4skn wrote:
And, as always, the myth of a highly organized global terror network is continued, ad infinitum.


from the horse's mouth, for any skeptics, from the real Founder of "Al-Qaeda", the former US National Security Advisor:

http://www.Takeoverworld.info/brzezinski_interview_short.html

Q: You don't regret supporting Islamic fundamentalism, giving arms and advice to future terrorists?
...
B: … Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea.

Question: But it has been said that Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.

Brzezinski: Nonsense! That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam.
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