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just0



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:36 pm    Post subject: AIDS inc. Reply with quote

Stumbled across this trailer recently, it's a good brief overview of the
real "AIDS" situation.



The comments on these kinds of clips are always lively....

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4evadelayed71 (2 days ago)
stupid bloody Idiot, If you suspect you have been exposed to HIV you have a moral responsibilty to be tested and find out. Your atttude may seem right on to you but it spreads the disease and ultimately kills human beings.


It's reasuring to see that this same dynamic of using fear (of some outer
enemy or some 'dark force') and guilt is reapeted over and over
again (in so many issues), because once that pattern is recognised,
it looses it's power and "charm".

It's that same dynamic that impairs critical thinking and encourages a
group think mentality - safety in numbers etc. AND that's a much more
comfortable situation - "Ignorance is bliss" Twisted Evil

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Damian Flynn



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen the whole video "AIDS Inc." and was not impressed. An older video by Gary Null called Deconstructing The Myth Of AIDS is much better. The AIDS Inc. video uses too much spin with corporation baiting, and pretends that AIDS advocates are just blinded by greed.


Here's the older video.
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john23



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.theothersideofaids.com is good and has a Psychopath projecting, chilling bit of film.

"Those who attempt to dispel the notion that HIV is the cause of AIDS are perpetrators of death... I think that people like Peter Duesberg belong in jail... I suggest to you that Peter Duesberg is probably the closest thing we have in this world to a scientific psychopath." — Mark Wainberg, Canadian AIDS researcher (Scovill 2004 http://www.theothersideofaids.com )

http://www.reviewingaids.org/awiki/index.php/Main_Page has a transcript

It is made by Christine Maggiore's husband http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/index/cmaggiore.htm
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john23



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[2003] Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport http://www.whale.to/b/rappoport.html sums it up:

Medavoy told me, "Duesberg was a wild card. We knew we could come across one, and he was it. He saw through the propaganda we were spreading in the guise of science. He attacked HIV from a researcher's point of view and he said all the right things. That is, he didn't know there was an intense propaganda campaign coordinated at high levels to 'protect' HIV as the cause of AIDS. But he knew the science. He knew the difference between real research and badly done or fake research. And HIV was, make no mistake about it, a fake from day one."
Medavoy said, "A lot of what we did at this point was stop things from getting into print. That's often more important than planting lies. As far as Duesberg was concerned, I can tell you there were many newspapers and magazines who were ready to give his views some space. You know, maverick scientist rejects HIV as cause of AIDS. So we began a coordinated effort to keep that from happening. We let the scientists at NIH [National Institutes of Health], who had the most to lose if Duesberg could establish a credible beachhead, handle the PR on rejecting Duesberg's science. They engaged in some character assassination as well, which was fine. We, on the other side, got "reliable sources" to go to those newspapers and magazines and tell them that to print anything good about Duesberg was DANGEROUS and IRRESPONSIBLE. That was our tack. We had our people say that thousands of people could die if they stopped believing that HIV was the cause of AIDS. Promiscuous sex would become more rampant than ever, people would get infected, get sick, and spread the virus even further. We hammered on all this, and we cowed most of those media outlets. It worked, for the most part."
"As far as the very embarrassing and growing list of AIDS survivors was concerned – the people who had rejected the idea of HIV and were rebuilding their health successfully without medical drugs – we tried to keep track of pending stories on these people, and we went to those media outlets and told them these people were 'vegetarian kooks' and 'anecdotal examples who had not been studied by real scientists' and 'publicity seekers' and so on. We said some of them had never really been HIV positive to begin with. It was like shooting pigeons. We did pretty well. Some stories did appear on these survivors, but the general tone was, 'so and so is a strange curiosity and scientists are studying why he has managed to live for so long without getting sick, and this may hold promise for future research.' You know, all that crap." [2003] Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport
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urbanspaceman



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The version of the story from this Medavoy guy adds up, but I gotta ask, why would someone like that be so forthcoming? Might he be risking his own life? Or is he so confident it won't make a difference? Or is he poisoning the well with the odd lies? He's a chilling character, true or not.
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Jeroen



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john23 wrote:
http://www.theothersideofaids.com is good and has a Psychopath projecting, chilling bit of film.

I wonder if Wainberg isn't just lying. Is there anything about him that makes you think he's projecting? I've met Joep Lange who, like Mark Wainberg, has also been president of the ias. In an interview he says that he, together with other important figures in the dutch (so called) infectious diseases business, was "sucked into" the aids thing as a starting doctor. My impression of him was that he is sincere, perhaps not understanding the difference between being a sports fan (of the hiv-team) and a scientist. Obiously, once in and making money ("aids makes my patients skinny, but fattens me") makes seeing the light a lot harder.

However, Anthony Fauci is probably a complete nazi and I figure Robert Gallo is totally insane.
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john23



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was being generous, more likely he is lying

these guys have to be masonic/satanic, half way into Masonry you have to give allegance to BAAL http://www.whale.to/b/knight.html ie Satan

satanism is insanity. Gallo is a jesuit and they do the dirty work, if you believe Phelps http://www.whale.to/b/jesuits.html they certainly scare the hell out of me
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Jeroen



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

urbanspaceman wrote:
The version of the story from this Medavoy guy adds up, but I gotta ask, why would someone like that be so forthcoming?

First of all, I think to most people this article will look like the fantasy of a crackpot. I also wonder if this Medavoy really exists or if Rapoport just made him up.
More interesting however, is what is said about Duesberg:
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Medavoy told me, "Duesberg was a wild card. We knew we could come across one, and he was it. He saw through the propaganda we were spreading in the guise of science. He attacked HIV from a researcher's point of view and he said all the right things.

The most remarkable thing about Duesberg is that he doesn't accept that hiv hasn't been isolated, which, since no virus has anything to do with aids, simply means that hiv does not exist. In his book Inventing the AIDS Virus Duesberg writes about an epidemic of paralysis in Japan caused by a medical drug. For a long time a virus was held responsible:
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Indeed, Kono and some of these other investigators could never even find the virus at all, reinforcing the growing question of whether it truly existed.
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/besmon.htm

That's true for hiv as well, but Duesberg doesn't question the existence of hiv. And about the Hepatitis C virus Duesberg writes:
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The Chiron team used newly available technology to reconstruct pieces of the mystery virus. Now they could test patients for antibodies against this hypothetical virus and soon discovered that only a slight majority of hepatitis C patients had any evidence of these antibodies in their blood.
http://healtoronto.com/slowvirus.html#HCV

In the same article he writes about polio:
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From the discovery of tobacco mosaic virus through the polio epidemic, scientists have found and legitimately blamed many viruses for a variety of diseases, each having passed the acid test of Koch's postulates.
http://healtoronto.com/slowvirus.html#HCV

Polio may very well not be caused by a virus either and one researcher has noted the striking similarities between polio and SMON!

Also, SMON was caused by a medical drug. Duesberg does blame ARVs for causing aids, but is silent about corticosteroids and antibiotics like co-trimoxazole--something that will keep Big Pharma happy. Many of his arguments are (almost necessarily) statistic and some serious flaws have been found in them, which makes it relatively easy to dismiss him. Consider this observation:
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The way Peter Duesberg's funding was taken away from him, and his reputation was trashed in the scientific community, seems to have had a chilling effect, to the point where he's been seen as a kind of example. All these scientists who are confessing privately that they don't think this will work may very well just be aware and afraid of the potential consequences that would result if they took that position publicly.
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/mcinterviewdr.htm

So, perhaps his job was to become an example. Maybe Wainberg has a point when he says:
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I suggest to you that Peter Duesberg is probably the closest thing we have in this world to a scientific psychopath.
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john23



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

can't say I warm to Duesberg but the Rappoport piece rang true to me. I know he (Rapp) is meant to be CIA fake but I can't spot any flaws as yet. For example his vaccine interview will be a stretch for many but it hits all the spots http://www.whale.to/v/rapp.html As for CIA fakes I could ask why Fintan doesn't even want to think about the next level which is the reptilian presence eg Bartley http://www.whale.to/b/bartley_h.html

The closer you get to truth the dafter you appear to the majority.

If viruses didn't exits the medical mafia would have had to invent them, and they have been proven to invent quite a few over the years http://www.whale.to/a/virus.html or blame them for diseases like polio (poisons like DDT)

All of the great 'viral' disease such as measles and smallpox declined purely due to the decline in poverty, essentially. The great Spanish Flu (you can tell it is a lie when they always come from foreign lands) was due to vaccines and other poisons., may have been deliberate.

Back to viruses, they suppressed the vitamin C cure for all infections, and they ahve never managed to kill anyone with biowarfare germs that I am aware of except that one Anthrax guy taken out by the CIA. If they were that effective they would have given them to Saddam to try out and they have been spraying us with chemtrail germs for decades without much effect except for CFS/ME.

There was 'lyme' from Plum Island so they say which looks to be pretty nasty and could be the thing behind most ME/CFS.

Duesberg was the guy to offer himself up for matyrdom as a warning? Bit of a stretch, maybe he gets to meet Lucifer in person like a visit to the Pope? (Not much difference)
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Jeroen



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey john23, you seem to believe that everything that is written on the whale.to website resembles "the truth". Why don't you try another site for a change; wikipedia for instance, to learn the difference between a virus and a bacterium. Oh, and thanks for bringing in the lizards and the pope; that's just what this thread needed. Confused
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john23



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeroen wrote:
Hey john23, you seem to believe that everything that is written on the whale.to website resembles "the truth". Why don't you try another site for a change; wikipedia for instance, to learn the difference between a virus and a bacterium. Oh, and thanks for bringing in the lizards and the pope; that's just what this thread needed. Confused


Its my site. And Wikipedia has its uses but is controlled by Allopaths http://www.whale.to/a/wikipedia.html which doesn't say much for your discernement. If you can't take lizards that's your problem, I just go where truth takes me, and it is obvious the masons are running the world eg the allopathy monopoly, and masonry is obviously run by satanists, and it looks like satanism was created by reptilians. So do you see the connection? If not why not?

You can go on about the evils of allopathy but it is just hacking at the branches, which is what the 'CIA fakes' do ad infinitum, eg the endless 911 stuff--I mean how many hours do people need to spend on that?

I am bored to death with medicine, I worked out the game years ago.

It is a monopoly http://www.whale.to/a/allopathy_h.html
These are the main rackets http://www.whale.to/a/hoaxmed.html
This is how they brainwash people http://www.whale.to/m/map.html
This is the cancer conspiracy http://www.whale.to/a/cancer_c.html
AIDS conspiracy and so on
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Jeroen



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john23 wrote:
Its my site.

That explains a lot. Definitely an interesting site.
john23 wrote:
I am bored to death with medicine, I worked out the game years ago. [...] AIDS conspiracy and so on

Right, the aids conspiracy. That's what we were talking about, not about lizards!
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"There is no question that HIV was introduced into the U.S. male homosexual population via the gay hepatitis B vaccine experiment that took place between 1978 and 1981. My research clearly supports the outbreak of AIDS cases in Los Angeles and San Francisco shortly after the experiment began in those cities. Not surprisingly, the government has refused to release data on the number of AIDS deaths that have occurred in the large group of gay men who initially volunteered for the vaccine experiment." ---Dr Alan Cantwell
http://www.whale.to/aids.html

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There is no (HI-)Virus. Stupid? *
http://www.whale.to/a/lanka12.html

So, what is it John: a virus introduced by a vaccine or no virus at all? Boring stuff? (Answer: the vaccine probably increased the chance of testing hiv-positive, but hiv doesn't exist)
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