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just0
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 Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:36 pm Post subject: AIDS inc. |
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Stumbled across this trailer recently, it's a good brief overview of the
real "AIDS" situation.
The comments on these kinds of clips are always lively....
| Quote: | 4evadelayed71 (2 days ago)
stupid bloody Idiot, If you suspect you have been exposed to HIV you have a moral responsibilty to be tested and find out. Your atttude may seem right on to you but it spreads the disease and ultimately kills human beings. |
It's reasuring to see that this same dynamic of using fear (of some outer
enemy or some 'dark force') and guilt is reapeted over and over
again (in so many issues), because once that pattern is recognised,
it looses it's power and "charm".
It's that same dynamic that impairs critical thinking and encourages a
group think mentality - safety in numbers etc. AND that's a much more
comfortable situation - "Ignorance is bliss" 
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Damian Flynn
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: |
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I've seen the whole video "AIDS Inc." and was not impressed. An older video by Gary Null called Deconstructing The Myth Of AIDS is much better. The AIDS Inc. video uses too much spin with corporation baiting, and pretends that AIDS advocates are just blinded by greed.
Here's the older video. |
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john23
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john23
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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[2003] Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport http://www.whale.to/b/rappoport.html sums it up:
Medavoy told me, "Duesberg was a wild card. We knew we could come across one, and he was it. He saw through the propaganda we were spreading in the guise of science. He attacked HIV from a researcher's point of view and he said all the right things. That is, he didn't know there was an intense propaganda campaign coordinated at high levels to 'protect' HIV as the cause of AIDS. But he knew the science. He knew the difference between real research and badly done or fake research. And HIV was, make no mistake about it, a fake from day one."
Medavoy said, "A lot of what we did at this point was stop things from getting into print. That's often more important than planting lies. As far as Duesberg was concerned, I can tell you there were many newspapers and magazines who were ready to give his views some space. You know, maverick scientist rejects HIV as cause of AIDS. So we began a coordinated effort to keep that from happening. We let the scientists at NIH [National Institutes of Health], who had the most to lose if Duesberg could establish a credible beachhead, handle the PR on rejecting Duesberg's science. They engaged in some character assassination as well, which was fine. We, on the other side, got "reliable sources" to go to those newspapers and magazines and tell them that to print anything good about Duesberg was DANGEROUS and IRRESPONSIBLE. That was our tack. We had our people say that thousands of people could die if they stopped believing that HIV was the cause of AIDS. Promiscuous sex would become more rampant than ever, people would get infected, get sick, and spread the virus even further. We hammered on all this, and we cowed most of those media outlets. It worked, for the most part."
"As far as the very embarrassing and growing list of AIDS survivors was concerned – the people who had rejected the idea of HIV and were rebuilding their health successfully without medical drugs – we tried to keep track of pending stories on these people, and we went to those media outlets and told them these people were 'vegetarian kooks' and 'anecdotal examples who had not been studied by real scientists' and 'publicity seekers' and so on. We said some of them had never really been HIV positive to begin with. It was like shooting pigeons. We did pretty well. Some stories did appear on these survivors, but the general tone was, 'so and so is a strange curiosity and scientists are studying why he has managed to live for so long without getting sick, and this may hold promise for future research.' You know, all that crap." [2003] Depopulation and HIV by Jon Rappoport |
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urbanspaceman
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| The version of the story from this Medavoy guy adds up, but I gotta ask, why would someone like that be so forthcoming? Might he be risking his own life? Or is he so confident it won't make a difference? Or is he poisoning the well with the odd lies? He's a chilling character, true or not. |
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Jeroen
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| john23 wrote: | | http://www.theothersideofaids.com is good and has a Psychopath projecting, chilling bit of film. |
I wonder if Wainberg isn't just lying. Is there anything about him that makes you think he's projecting? I've met Joep Lange who, like Mark Wainberg, has also been president of the ias. In an interview he says that he, together with other important figures in the dutch (so called) infectious diseases business, was "sucked into" the aids thing as a starting doctor. My impression of him was that he is sincere, perhaps not understanding the difference between being a sports fan (of the hiv-team) and a scientist. Obiously, once in and making money ("aids makes my patients skinny, but fattens me") makes seeing the light a lot harder.
However, Anthony Fauci is probably a complete nazi and I figure Robert Gallo is totally insane. |
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john23
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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I was being generous, more likely he is lying
these guys have to be masonic/satanic, half way into Masonry you have to give allegance to BAAL http://www.whale.to/b/knight.html ie Satan
satanism is insanity. Gallo is a jesuit and they do the dirty work, if you believe Phelps http://www.whale.to/b/jesuits.html they certainly scare the hell out of me |
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Jeroen
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| urbanspaceman wrote: | | The version of the story from this Medavoy guy adds up, but I gotta ask, why would someone like that be so forthcoming? |
First of all, I think to most people this article will look like the fantasy of a crackpot. I also wonder if this Medavoy really exists or if Rapoport just made him up.
More interesting however, is what is said about Duesberg:
| Quote: | | Medavoy told me, "Duesberg was a wild card. We knew we could come across one, and he was it. He saw through the propaganda we were spreading in the guise of science. He attacked HIV from a researcher's point of view and he said all the right things. |
The most remarkable thing about Duesberg is that he doesn't accept that hiv hasn't been isolated, which, since no virus has anything to do with aids, simply means that hiv does not exist. In his book Inventing the AIDS Virus Duesberg writes about an epidemic of paralysis in Japan caused by a medical drug. For a long time a virus was held responsible:
That's true for hiv as well, but Duesberg doesn't question the existence of hiv. And about the Hepatitis C virus Duesberg writes:
| Quote: | The Chiron team used newly available technology to reconstruct pieces of the mystery virus. Now they could test patients for antibodies against this hypothetical virus and soon discovered that only a slight majority of hepatitis C patients had any evidence of these antibodies in their blood.
http://healtoronto.com/slowvirus.html#HCV |
In the same article he writes about polio:
| Quote: | From the discovery of tobacco mosaic virus through the polio epidemic, scientists have found and legitimately blamed many viruses for a variety of diseases, each having passed the acid test of Koch's postulates.
http://healtoronto.com/slowvirus.html#HCV |
Polio may very well not be caused by a virus either and one researcher has noted the striking similarities between polio and SMON!
Also, SMON was caused by a medical drug. Duesberg does blame ARVs for causing aids, but is silent about corticosteroids and antibiotics like co-trimoxazole--something that will keep Big Pharma happy. Many of his arguments are (almost necessarily) statistic and some serious flaws have been found in them, which makes it relatively easy to dismiss him. Consider this observation:
| Quote: | The way Peter Duesberg's funding was taken away from him, and his reputation was trashed in the scientific community, seems to have had a chilling effect, to the point where he's been seen as a kind of example. All these scientists who are confessing privately that they don't think this will work may very well just be aware and afraid of the potential consequences that would result if they took that position publicly.
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/mcinterviewdr.htm |
So, perhaps his job was to become an example. Maybe Wainberg has a point when he says:
| Quote: | | I suggest to you that Peter Duesberg is probably the closest thing we have in this world to a scientific psychopath. |
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john23
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:23 am Post subject: |
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can't say I warm to Duesberg but the Rappoport piece rang true to me. I know he (Rapp) is meant to be CIA fake but I can't spot any flaws as yet. For example his vaccine interview will be a stretch for many but it hits all the spots http://www.whale.to/v/rapp.html As for CIA fakes I could ask why Fintan doesn't even want to think about the next level which is the reptilian presence eg Bartley http://www.whale.to/b/bartley_h.html
The closer you get to truth the dafter you appear to the majority.
If viruses didn't exits the medical mafia would have had to invent them, and they have been proven to invent quite a few over the years http://www.whale.to/a/virus.html or blame them for diseases like polio (poisons like DDT)
All of the great 'viral' disease such as measles and smallpox declined purely due to the decline in poverty, essentially. The great Spanish Flu (you can tell it is a lie when they always come from foreign lands) was due to vaccines and other poisons., may have been deliberate.
Back to viruses, they suppressed the vitamin C cure for all infections, and they ahve never managed to kill anyone with biowarfare germs that I am aware of except that one Anthrax guy taken out by the CIA. If they were that effective they would have given them to Saddam to try out and they have been spraying us with chemtrail germs for decades without much effect except for CFS/ME.
There was 'lyme' from Plum Island so they say which looks to be pretty nasty and could be the thing behind most ME/CFS.
Duesberg was the guy to offer himself up for matyrdom as a warning? Bit of a stretch, maybe he gets to meet Lucifer in person like a visit to the Pope? (Not much difference) |
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Jeroen
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:40 am Post subject: |
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Hey john23, you seem to believe that everything that is written on the whale.to website resembles "the truth". Why don't you try another site for a change; wikipedia for instance, to learn the difference between a virus and a bacterium. Oh, and thanks for bringing in the lizards and the pope; that's just what this thread needed.  |
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john23
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Jeroen wrote: | | Hey john23, you seem to believe that everything that is written on the whale.to website resembles "the truth". Why don't you try another site for a change; wikipedia for instance, to learn the difference between a virus and a bacterium. Oh, and thanks for bringing in the lizards and the pope; that's just what this thread needed. |
Its my site. And Wikipedia has its uses but is controlled by Allopaths http://www.whale.to/a/wikipedia.html which doesn't say much for your discernement. If you can't take lizards that's your problem, I just go where truth takes me, and it is obvious the masons are running the world eg the allopathy monopoly, and masonry is obviously run by satanists, and it looks like satanism was created by reptilians. So do you see the connection? If not why not?
You can go on about the evils of allopathy but it is just hacking at the branches, which is what the 'CIA fakes' do ad infinitum, eg the endless 911 stuff--I mean how many hours do people need to spend on that?
I am bored to death with medicine, I worked out the game years ago.
It is a monopoly http://www.whale.to/a/allopathy_h.html
These are the main rackets http://www.whale.to/a/hoaxmed.html
This is how they brainwash people http://www.whale.to/m/map.html
This is the cancer conspiracy http://www.whale.to/a/cancer_c.html
AIDS conspiracy and so on |
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Jeroen
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| john23 wrote: | | Its my site. |
That explains a lot. Definitely an interesting site.
| john23 wrote: | | I am bored to death with medicine, I worked out the game years ago. [...] AIDS conspiracy and so on |
Right, the aids conspiracy. That's what we were talking about, not about lizards!
| Quote: | "There is no question that HIV was introduced into the U.S. male homosexual population via the gay hepatitis B vaccine experiment that took place between 1978 and 1981. My research clearly supports the outbreak of AIDS cases in Los Angeles and San Francisco shortly after the experiment began in those cities. Not surprisingly, the government has refused to release data on the number of AIDS deaths that have occurred in the large group of gay men who initially volunteered for the vaccine experiment." ---Dr Alan Cantwell
http://www.whale.to/aids.html |
So, what is it John: a virus introduced by a vaccine or no virus at all? Boring stuff? (Answer: the vaccine probably increased the chance of testing hiv-positive, but hiv doesn't exist) |
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john23
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:53 am Post subject: |
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So, what is it John: a virus introduced by a vaccine or no virus at all? Boring stuff? (Answer: the vaccine probably increased the chance of testing hiv-positive, but hiv doesn't exist)[/quote]
who cares, HIV doesn't cause aids, drugs, politics (like the aids umbrella) and poverty do. It does have some fascination on a 'how they did the crime' level. It doesn't really matter if HIV exists or not, they can still make a test up out of thin air like they did with hepatitis. Medical tests come and go.
They could have intoduced a germ, like a mycoplasma, into the hep B vaccine to induce a disease so they could then start the AIDS ball rolling. In Africa 'AIDS' was mainly in the polio vaccine areas, but polio vaccine is used for genocide in itself, so that doesn't mean there was anything special in it. See Nkuba http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba_h.html |
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Jeroen
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| john23 wrote: | | who cares, HIV doesn't cause aids, drugs, politics (like the aids umbrella) and poverty do. |
Well, that's not with Alan Cantwell says, so why not remove him from your website? Anyway, I suggested that Peter Duesberg might be a fake--perhaps a mortal sin in the the dissident community. I think however, that it's appropriate to raise such doubts when they are well argued. Here's an argument I forgot, starting with something Kary Mullis wrote about Duesberg:
| Quote: | I had known of Peter when I was a graduate student at Berkeley. He had been described as a truly brilliant scientist who had mapped a particular mutation to a single nucleotide in what was to become known eventually as an oncogene. In the 1960s that was a real feat. Peter went on to develop the theory that oncogenes might be introduced by viruses into humans and cause cancer. The idea caught on and became a serious theoretical driving force behind the research that was funded under the unfortunate name "War on Cancer." Peter was named California Scientist of the Year.
Not satisfied resting on his laurels, Peter torched them. He found flaws in his own theory and announced to his surprised colleagues who were working on demonstrating it that it was highly unlikely. If they wanted to cure cancer, their research should be directed elsewhere. Whether it was because they were more interested in curing their own poverty than cancer or that they just couldn't come to grips with their mistake, they continued to work fruitlessly on the viral-oncogene hypothesis for ten years.
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/kmdancing.htm |
So Duesberg was at least partly responsible for introducing the viral-oncogene hypothesis but then became a a dissident. Duesberg now thinks an abnormal number of chromosomes (aneuploidy) causes cancer, a theory about which he was allowed to write in the may 2007 issue of Scientific American. The editors do however make the following preposterous comment:
| Quote: | The author, Peter Duesberg, a pioneering virologist, may be well known to readers for his assertion that HIV is not the cause of AIDS. The biomedical community has roundly rebutted that claim many times. Duesberg’s ideas about chromosomal abnormality as a root cause for cancer, in contrast, are controversial but are being actively investigated by mainstream science. We have therefore asked Duesberg to explain that work here. This article is in no sense an endorsement by SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN of his AIDS theories.
http://www.reviewingaids.org/awiki/files/DuesbergSciAmCancer.pdf |
Note that both the (viral) oncogene and the chromosomal abnormality hypothesis concern changes of the DNA in the nucleus. Here's what the Perth group has to say about that:
| Quote: | It is often stated cancer is caused by changes in the DNA (mutations) or by cancer causing genes (oncogenes). However, in experiments conducted in the 1960s (upon which the present day animal cloning is based) by exchanging cell nuclei (where DNA is housed), it was proven that the character of a cell is determined by factors outside the nucleus. That is, factors within the cytoplasm determine what the DNA does--not vice versa. At present there is much evidence that the DNA function is regulated by the cellular redox state.
http://theperthgroup.com/EPE/RedoxTheory.doc |
So, it could have been known in the 60s that every theory in which the nucleus is held responsible for causing cancer must be wrong. Perhaps his aneuploidy hypothesis will be the leading hypothesis for the next fraudulent "War on Cancer", and he himself might once again become a dissident. But would that be for real? |
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john23
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | So, it could have been known in the 60s that every theory in which the nucleus is held responsible for causing cancer must be wrong. Perhaps his aneuploidy hypothesis will be the leading hypothesis for the next fraudulent "War on Cancer", and he himself might once again become a dissident. But would that be for real? |
You would be daft to follow Duesberg on cancer given his involvement in the fake war on cancer, and he may have been into the special virus cancer programme, and it is a distraction anyway--- and it just buys into the war on cancer main lie that the solution to cancer hasn't been already found, similar in a way to the theories on how HIV causes AIDS. In other words mostly skidmark research http://www.mercola.com/townofallopath/townofallopath.htm which also just hides the real question to ask--why does the body break down and create cancer? And stops anyone looking outside the town of allopathy for answers, as the cure is just around the corner if we spend more money.
Also the real causes of cancer get ignored, mostly because they are iatrogenic from the dental industry (mercury and root canals), vaccine industry, or the chemical industry through chemical farming and junk food such as pasteurised and homogenised milk (breast cancer), and aspartame (cancer, MS).
The real solutions to curing cancer get ignored, the collation of which would cure all cancers or over 98% anyway, including the Vitamin B17 (laetrile) deficiency, selenium, etc. And Hamers emotional theory which he has proved with cat scans, and Beard, Budwig (fats), Warburg (oxygen) etc http://www.whale.to/a/cancer_c.html
Not forgetting Livingston's theory of the cancer microbe found a lot in chicken.
If all that knowledge was in use by governments then we wouldn't even think about cancer, and save ourselves about 300 Billion $$ every year.
And the zapper cures all cancers except prostate and leukemia., which lends credence to Livingstons research.
There is plenty of stuff on Whale that isn't true, no doubt, but I expect people to use their own discernment, not find another totem to replace Allopathy. Whale is a help towards finding the truth and a source of knowledge as that is my want, and I share it the world. I also hate secrets.
Seeing outside the town of allopathy is the main point of whale. Once you can do that you are free of medical brainwashing, which is the main thing to get rid of as it is the number one Tyrant in western countries, the leading cause of death and disability, which is the main point of vaccination---creating a market for the drugs and doctor visits.
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