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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:55 pm    Post subject: Healthy Food, US Army Intell, and MK Ultra Reply with quote

Former MK Ultra psy-war specialist, retired US Army Intell, enters the fight to preserve Healthy Food choices, real Organics, and availability of Supplements.

WTF???????

I got a message from a friend about this:
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Summer of Decisions: The State of Health Freedom 2007

Natural Solutions Foundation Analysis

A series of international and US government actions at the end of 2006 and beginning of 2007 have put Health Freedom of Choice -- with regards to Organic Standards, Nutrients, Traditional Remedies and Leading Edge Alternatives -- in greater jeopardy than any time since the adoption of the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 (DSHEA). Thus, the Summer of 2007 has become a Summer of Decision for health freedom activists.

Codex Alimentarius is the least known, the most impactful and potentially the most dangerous threat to health and health freedom. Most threats to health freedom are local ( e.g., a State goes on a rampage against physicians practicing drug free medicine), national (e.g., the US FDA decides to articulate the law inaccurately setting the stage for draconian "enforcement" of a regulatory structure which deems all health aides to be untested drugs, like cherries if used for arthritis, or untested devices, like hot rocks to sooth painful muscles). Codex, because it is a UN project which sets standards and guidelines controlling the international trade of all foods and nutrients, not only determines what is available internationally (with all the market pressure that implies) but also becomes the domestic law for those countries which, like the United States, have decided to "Harmonize" with Codex standards and guidelines. The US announced its intention to do just that on October 11, 1995 in the Federal Register when it stated that it would give preference to international standards over US regulation and, as it has turned out, US law as well.

Codex is a mechanism for moving the entire world rapidly towards an industrialized, nutrient poor diet which benefit a multinational constituency and threaten health everywhere by compromising food on a cataclysmic scale. Under Codex, dangerous, expensive and health-damaging changes in the global food supply are being implemented. Organic standards are being degraded, permitted heavy metal residue levels are being increased, Codex permits astonishingly high levels of dangerous industrial drugs, chemicals, pesticides, toxic veterinary drugs and other poisons in the food supply. Maximum Residue Levels (MRLs) for many pesticides are being removed so that there is no upper limit whatsoever to the amounts of these systemic poisons which can be introduced into foods (and into the bodies and environments of the farmer, his family and his land. Others are being increased dramatically. Organic standards are being lowered so pure, unadulterated food can be expected to vanish globally since the phrase will be maintained but the reality will be degraded beyond recognition to meet the needs of industrial farming. At the same time, high potency (dose) nutrients are being prohibited since they are treated as if they were toxins (severely limited, unlike most toxins) and "assessed" by "Risk Assessment" to be present at no more than, for vitamins and minerals, for example, 115% of the amount found in untreated foods. High potency nutrients will become unavailable in any country which "HARMonizes" with Codex" (the US) or adopts its texts as its domestic laws (most of the developing world).

In effect, Codex standards and guidelines mandate unparalleled levels of toxicity plus global under-nutrition, the very same condition to which the World Health Organization (WHO), one of Codex's parent organizations (Food and Agriculture Organization, or FAO, is the other) attributes the global epidemic of non communicable diseases of under nutrition: cancers, cardiovascular diseases, stroke, diabetes and obesity. These diseases are the principle killers in the developed world (after properly used pharmaceuticals) and are rapidly becoming the principle killers in the developing world as well. These preventable diseases are also major profit centers for industries that depend on illness for their profits: the pharmaceutical and medical industries.


It goes on and on, and offers petitions to sign.
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Ralph Fucetola, JD
Trustee

Rima E. Laibow, MD
Medical Director

Natural Solutions Foundation
www.HealthFreedomUSA.org
www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org

Citizens Petition: www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php?page_id=184

HR. 2117: http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/healthfreedomusa/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=11754

HR. 1561:

http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/healthfreedomusa/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=11344


Well the 2nd video on their homepage mentions Major General Albert Stubblebine. (I think that's his rank at retirement, don't quote me.) If you've watched any of those Marsboy videos on YouTube on Project Monarch and MK Ultra, you might recognize the names.

I did a google of Laibow and Stubblebine to verify my brain. Stubblebine is Army Intell and MK Ultra. Rima Laibow is a psychiatrist, and Stubblebine's wife, and a UFOlogist. They were also involved in studying 'psychic abilities' for spying purposes for the CIA, but some suggested it was a sexy cover story for mind control and social control via physical and mental torture, extreme trauma, sex slavery, Satanic cults, drugs, and newer electronic methods.

Note: Stubblebine's buddy, General Michael Aquino, founded the Temple of Set (Satan) as a spinoff from Anton LaVey's CIA-connected Church of Satan. Church of Satan's published ideals sound like if Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh created a religion. It's not so much "Satan with horns" as it is "anti- Christian values" like forgiveness and charity. For any new visitors or skeptics: (Strange but true. Aquino is seen in the Marsboy videos defending Satanist LaVey as a somewhat-eccentric dresser, but otherwise ok.) Aquino was charged with running a mind-control experiment on 60+ children who were sexually-abused on a US Army base, by parents who sued the Army. Aquino is currently head of NSA, with Gen. Hayden. (The videos and other websites explained technical psychological reasons why sexual abuse of children, and the resulting dissassociation, seemed like a useful technique in creating mind-controlled CIA drones who could neither remember their past nor new covert operations assigned to them. Sirhan Sirhan experiences such amnesia to this day. Bill Clinton publicly apologized for non-specific US Gov and CIA experiments, which have also been covered by the History Channel. It's not just some whacko conspiracy theory. It was just warfare testing, for military and domestic use.)


Marsboy also has a clip of Rumsfeld and General Myers discussing these 'crowd control' weapons at a press conference. They said basically, it's not perfected ... yet ... but we might roll it out anyhow as needed or as feasible. There was also some clips on cooking people alive in a bus in Iraq, no signs of brute trauma like bullets or external bleeding, shrunken bodies, exotic weapons.

Here's one article, echoing my thoughts:
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex-moderngeneral.html
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Major General Albert (Bert) N. Stubblebine III (U.S. Army, Retired) graduated from The United States Military Academy (West Point) in 1952, and served in the US Army for 32 years. Starting his career as an Armor officer, he subsequently rose through the ranks to lead troops at every echelon of Army command, and held several senior posts in US Army Intelligence. His commands as a General Officer included the US Army Intelligence Center and School, the Army's Electronic Research and Development Command (ERADCOM) and the US Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM). Whilst on active duty Stubblebine also redesigned the intelligence architecture of the United States Army, and restructured the Army Intelligence training curriculum. After his retirement from the Army in 1984 he served until 1990 as the Vice President for Intelligence Systems at BDM Corporation, a private defense sector contractor, and then acted as a part-time consultant to two government contractors; ERIM, and Space Applications Corporation (SAC). More recently, and along with his wife, the psychiatrist Rima Laibow, Stubblebine sits on the Board of Canadian Submarine Technologies Inc, and claims to be the designer of AEGIS, "a major Homeland Security private initiative".

(DAMN! Long resume.)

Given this background, and his resulting proximity to the US Government, eyebrows began to be raised in the health freedom community in early 2005 when, along with Rima Laibow, Stubblebine launched the website of the Natural Solutions Foundation and began to promote himself as an expert on Codex Alimentarius.

However, for a man who had previously held several senior posts in US Army Intelligence, and who as such would be acutely aware of the need to ensure accuracy in the gathering of information, it quickly became apparent to experienced health freedom observers that Stubblebine either hadn't done his homework properly, or that he and Laibow were intentionally spreading inaccurate and misleading material on Codex and other related dietary supplement issues via their website and press releases. Moreover, despite repeated concerns being expressed by more experienced health freedom observers, Stubblebine and Laibow continued to disseminate this material, and pointedly ignored requests to remove it from their website.

The inaccuracy of their written output on Codex reached a new high in July 2005, when, following the adoption by the Codex Alimentarius Commission of restrictive new global guidelines for vitamin and mineral supplements, Stubblebine and Laibow announced that a miracle had taken place at the Commission's meeting. While the health freedom community looked on in astonishment, Stubblebine and Laibow went on to claim that during the meeting a World Health Organization (WHO) Under Secretary for Food Safety had spoken "sternly, sharply and scathingly of the fact that little contribution to human health had been made by Codex" and that WHO had stated that "things would be different in the future". Of course, the Dr. Rath Health Foundation later proved, definitively, that these assertions were largely either mistaken or exaggerated; however this unfortunately didn't stem what was by then becoming a growing tide of inaccuracy flowing from Stubblebine and Laibow.

Next, for example, following a meeting of the Codex Committee on Food Labelling that took place in Ottawa, Canada in May 2006, Stubblebine claimed that the meeting's outcome was a "Stunning Victory" for health freedom, despite the fact that such an assertion had absolutely no basis in fact, as proven by the Dr. Rath Health Foundation and confirmed by other experienced observers who were present at the meeting, including even the Natural Solutions Foundation's own legal council.


continued with a story about an angry confrontation between Stubblebine and pre-existing serious health activists ...

more:
http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=IAHF&Number=236059&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

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Modern Major General Stubblebine// Rima Laibow- (so called)"Natural Solutions Foundation"

IAHF List:

A few people on the IAHF list have forwarded an alert to us that originated from a controlled opposition group called the "Natural Solutions Foundation". Since entering our movement, this dubious organization has been actively interfering with the work of IAHF and allied organizations via a campaign of disinformation and spin intended to distract dietary supplement consumers from the REAL issues in an attempt to subvert and hijack our movement by steering the grass roots into dead ends. Their gameplan is thoroughly exposed here:

A Modern Major General Exposed?

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex-moderngeneral.html

and here: CONTROLLED OPPOSITION GROUPS http://www.nocodexgenocide.com/page/page/3312735.htm

Their recent campaign calls attention to an FDA Federal Register Notice (http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/98fr/E7-3259.htm) which they outrageously assert threatens to block non MDs from recommending dietary supplements to patients is no exception.

They would have us believe that unless we flood the FDA with their form comment, that the FDA is going to suddenly start attacking any non MD (chiropractor, ND, etc) who recommends dietary supplements to a patient.

NSFs assertions are both false and absurd. They would have us believe that FDA has the ability to rewrite the law. FDA can't do that, only Congress can. They would have us believe that through a Federal Register notice, FDA has the ability to make changes to the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 under which dietary supplements are regulated as foods. They would have us believe that based on what FDA is saying, that unless FDA hears from a lot of people, non MDs (naturopaths, chiropractors) will suddenly not be allowed to recommend dietary supplements to patients and that health food stores would no longer be allowed to sell them to us. That is both false and absurd! This is the worst form of sensationalism and it has NO PLACE in this movement!


WHAT NSF IS TRYING TO DISTRACT YOU FROM

It should be self evident that unless we are able to stop our country from being forced into the North American Union, that failure to defend our sovereignty equals failure to defend the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act and all of our other laws as well as our Constitution.

Laibow/Stubblebine aren't doing a damn thing to call attention to this, moreover, when our movement attempted to kill CAFTA, (recognizing that the SPS language it contains ropes us more into CODEX) Laibow/Stubblebine generated no less than SEVEN spin pieces against our message while SIMULTANEOUSLY telling people that they'd just achieved a (non existent) "VICTORY" at Codex.

Read "A Modern Major General Exposed?" to get an idea of the kind of spin these people routinely engage in: http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex-moderngeneral.html

They did this in order to create COGNITIVE DISSONANCE in the minds of the people who were receiving our alerts- because they wanted them to SIT ON THEIR HANDS and not do ANYTHING to oppose CAFTA. Right now, they're not doing anything to warn people about FDA's TCC or the NAU which its part of:

If you fail to grasp the fact that our country is being deconstructed right now with the ruling elite's plan being to force us into a North American Union with Canada and Mexico patterned after the European Union Dictatorship, please take the time to examine this information:

1. My petition calling for Congressional oversight on the FDA's Trilateral Cooperation Charter http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/373269232#body

2. Interview Jerome Corsi of World Net Daily just did of me: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55028

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the Federal Trade Commission have agreed to a Trilateral Cooperation Charter with counterparts in Canada and Mexico under the auspices of NAFTA and the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America that will crack down on public access to food supplements and vitamins.

"The purpose is to make an end run around any domestic law that interferes with food and drug multi-national corporate profits," John Hammell, a critic of the plan, told WND.

"The Codex Alimentarius Commission claims that their main purpose is to protect the health of consumers and ensure fair trade practices in the food trade worldwide," Hammell explained to WND. "But the truth is that the Codex Alimentarius Commission is dominated by corporate multi-national interests that do not have as their primary concern the health interests of the people they claim they are in business to protect, not if that health interest is better served by alternative food supplements and alternative medicine. They have a business with disease – it's not in their best interests that people be healthy."

"Under the Trilateral Cooperation Charter and its overly broad definition of 'health fraud,'" Hammell argues, "any substance, even water becomes a 'drug.' FDA has a long history of attacking dietary supplements on behalf of the large corporate pharmaceutical interests the agency traditionally protects."


3. National Problematique: North American Nightmare 8 min videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tg8suvwS3o&mode=related&search=

4. Video: The Real Face of the North American Union http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/videos/EuropeanUnion.html

5. Treason Abounds - Gov't Cabal Plots North American Union (NAU) http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/TreasonAbounds.html

If you want any clarification on what I'm saying here after you've thoroughly examined the information above, please call me at 800-333-2553 H&W. Please forward this to anyone who might have received Laibow's so called "alert."

The harm these people have been doing within the health freedom movement is incalculable. Please STOP forwarding their so called "alerts"!!


IAHF AT TOTAL HEALTH SHOW IN TORONTO APRIL 13-15

On April 13-15 IAHF will be participating in a panel discussion on Codex and Regional Harmonization issues at the Total Health Show sponsored by the Consumer Health Organization of Canada in Toronto. Also represented on the Panel will be Rob Verkerk of the UK's Alliance for Natural Health, and Scott Tips of the National Health Federation. Please join us if you're able to! Americans don't need passports to travel by land over the Canadian border til 2008, only Birth Certificates and DLs, so please make the trip to Toronto if you can: http://www.consumerhealth.org/tothealth/

Your donations assist us in defending against Codex by defending US Sovereignty, and by exposing the distractions of the controlled opposition groups that are working against our movement through a campaign of disinformation, lies and spin.

By suing film maker Kevin Miller, NSF blocked him from coming out with an updated version of "We Become Silent", but we intend to overcome this and come out with an updated version of the film as soon as possible. We'll send copies of "We Become Silent", along with copies of Byron Richard's book Fight For Your Health- Exposing FDA's Betrayal of America to anyone making a donation of $50. or more (For $25. get your choice of either, get both for $50.)

IAHF

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For Health Freedom, John C. Hammell, President International Advocates for Health Freedom 556 Boundary Bay Road Point Roberts, WA 98281-8702 USA http://www.iahf.com jham@iahf.com 800-333-2553 N.America 360-945-0352 World

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In addition, one of the links above points to this article:
http://www.nocodexgenocide.com/page/page/3312735.htm
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"Citizens for Health" and "Natural Solutions Foundation" are controlled opposition groups on the Codex issue. We believe the true purpose of these groups is to assist the pharma dominated vitamin trade associations by recommending grass roots actions which appear plausible on the surface to the poorly informed, but which upon close inspection fail to hold up to careful scrutiny.

We believe these groups are attempting to intentionally divert grass roots attention from the strategy of IAHF and allied organizations. In a nutshell, their mission is to:

A) Con people into believing that we can change Codex AT Codex (despite the fact that we have zero political influence over the unelected bureaucrats from the FDA and its international equivalents that serve as delegates at these highly rigged meetings.) and

B) Con people into believing that countries which adopt "Model Legislation" patterned after the US Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act would be "protected" in the event of a WTO Trade Dispute Ruling against them. (James Turner, esq, who originated this plan has failed to explain any viable legal mechanism to support his contention that this could work. * See IAHF's detailed analysis of CFH and NSF's "LEGAL SUMMARY" below.

C) Con people into believing that they're "fighting back" by signing a petition to US Codex Manager Ed Scarbrough (an unelected bureaucrat at the USDA who has never attempted to rein in FDA officials who've served as US Delegates at CODEX (even when their actions have gone directly against US law.)

Even when Scarbrough and the US Codex Delegates have obviously IGNORED this petition at recent Codex meetings, Citizens for Health and the Natural Solutions Foundation would still have us believe that signing it and sending it in to Scarbrough are a viable means of "fighting back."

D) Con people into believing that there is "no connection" between sovereignty destroying trade agreements such as NAFTA, CAFTA, FTAA and Codex in an obvious effort to keep people from exercising the political leverage that we DO have with CONGRESS (but which we DON'T have with unelected Codex bureaucrats from the world's FDA's.) Citizens for Health and now also the "Natural Solutions Foundation" have a long history of doing spin against true grass roots anti Codex campaigns.

These groups are making ZERO EFFORT to alert the public to the dire need to oppose clear efforts to destroy America and to force us into a planned North American Union.

Its clear that their TRUE MOTIVE is to support the agenda of the large pharmaceutical companies that are controlling the vitamin trade associations from the top-down which WANT CODEX, which WANT one size fits all regulations for the planet. In this section we explore this and also explore the gross conflicts of interest inherent in these organizations which have very close ties with such pharma dominated vitamin trade associations as CRN, and NNFA.

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IAHF COMMENTS ON NSF (& CFH's) "CONCLUSION":

The purpose of NSF's & CFH's spin is to deceive vitamin consumers into thinking it is possible to stop Codex AT CODEX, but we've clearly shown here that it is NOT possible to.

IAHF believes the purpose of this spin is to divert people from taking steps to defend US Sovereignty in order to stop CODEX from being imposed on us via regional harmonization- the most LIKELY way it would be thrust upon us.

Since when has the WTO been concerned with scientific honesty? The Natural Solutions Foundation and Citizens for Health cannot supply us with any evidence that the WTO's highly biased Dispute Settlement Panels have EVER based their decisionmaking on sound science.

Lori Wallach, JD, Director of the Global Trade Watch Division of Public Citizen, however, has testified before the House Ways and Means Committee that the WTO has ruled against the USA in 42 out of 48 cases, including EVERY case impacting our environmental and public health laws (Testimony of Lori Wallach, JD, Director of the Global Trade Watch division of Public Citizen before the House Ways & Means Committee May 17,05 http://www.citizen.org/documents/Wallach%205.17.2005.pdf

The US so far has complied in EVERY CASE including tax law. http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2002/tst012102.htm


Gotta give noted kudos to Ron Paul here, as deserved, despite my trepedation at his close ties with Ludwig von Mises Institute.

I'm not an expert on health food issues, and not even a very big consumer of them, just sometimes, but I certainly smell a RAT, or several.

OOPS. Unless someone can correct me on this, I think I now withdraw Kudos for Ron Paul.

After all, the IRS should not be taxing activity outside the U.S. anyway- it's outrageous that American citizens are actually less free than the socialist Europeans when it comes to income earned abroad. Prominent members of the Republican congressional leadership have stated they would prefer a territorial tax system, and I intend to hold them to it by introducing legislation that will end the taxation of foreign income.

Am I crazy, or is RP saying that if an American-based Multinational corporation gets a P.O. Box overseas, or opens a Third World factory, they should therefore NOT PAY ANY TAXES to the FedGov, even if they benefit from being "US Persons"?? And this is supposed to HELP American citizen human beings who live and work INSIDE the USA?? Won't this just push ALL taxes down on workers, while relieving US-based multi-national corporations of even superficial responsibilities (but we'll still protect our 'interests' if any country messes with them)??


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Modern Major General Stubblebine// Rima Laibow- (so called)"Natural Solutions Foundation"


The transparency with which they 'deploy' COINTELPRO opposition 'leaders' directly from high profile careers in the DIA never ceases to astound me. What arrogance. I think it's a private joke back at the bunker, to jerk off proving to themselves how gullible the 'rabble' can be.

But hey---one of the most worshipped 'leaders' of the Viet Nam antiwar movement in the US was none other than LORD Bertrand Russell......the ancient British plutocrat who published stacks of thick tomes minutely detailing and praising the new scientific methods for creating a new slave culture that would be unaware of their slavery.


Major General Stubblebine






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In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral
He is the very model of a modern Major-General


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Major General Albert Stubblebine

Major General Albert Stubblebine – Retired US Army Major General Albert Stubblebine has enjoyed an illustrious 32-year career in the US Army. He is a graduate of West Point US Military Academy, commanding soldiers at all levels. Major General Stubblebine, while serving as the Commander General of the US Army’s Intelligence School and Center, redesigned the US Army intelligence architecture and helped to define the requirements of the US Army, for future conflicts. He has commanded both the Electronic Research and Development Command (ERADCOM) and the Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM) of the US Army. Major General Stubblebine created Remote Viewing for the purpose of Army intelligence gathering. In his current position as President of the Natural Solutions Foundation, his present goal is to find better ways to become and remain healthy.

For more information about Major General Stubblebine and the Natural Solutions Foundation
please visit www.healthfreedomusa.org


I dunno about anybody else, but those two last sentences in the same context just sounds so wrong on so many levels..........

We now know that remote viewing wasn't about ESP, it was a cover for mind control experiments on the participants.

Creepier still---This guy was NSA'a Col.Michael Aquino's C.O.!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot to mention (mentioned on another topic):

Stubblebine also speaks on 9-11Truth videos about how he can see that NO PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON.

Which, as everyone here knows, is the WEAKEST LINK and most bickered about in the whole discussion, which is therefore over-emphasized by Loose Change.


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Creepier still---This guy was NSA'a Col.Michael Aquino's C.O.!


Right. I mentioned the link or association. But he was COMMANDING OFFICER. That would kinda make him COMMANDING OFFICER of the Temple of Set as well.


EDIT 09-22-07:
Although I maintain the same position with regards to Stubblebine's interest in healthy food, I've taken another look at M. Acquino and read about 1/5 of his book, as well as some of the arguments of court cases.

I'm largely convinced that the sex and molestation accusations regarding Acquino are part of a Christian witchhunt. I've learned about the philosophy of the Church of Satan. It's primarily about worship of Man, oneself, one's ego, as the highest expression of Man. According to Christian doctrine, that's Satanic, because God is higher.

Acquino described this as a combination of Atheism combined with Psychodrama, replete with candles, incense, chants, but the largest factor in the CoS involved studying philosophical texts, writing, etc. The idea was to create a religion which glorified Man's efforts to bring himself up to higher levels of development.

CoS, before intiating full members, was running background checks, credit checks, employment checks, and were choosing only persons of exemplary ethical character and accomplishment. People who were involved with drugs including marijuana, shoplifting, or any illegal activity whatsoever, were banned.

Given some of the high standards of accomplishment and impeccable living required, I myself might not qualify to become a member if I wanted to.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great freakin' FIND, Gary. It's just incredible what's being foisted on the gullible public these days.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey, i know this is off topic, and actually refers somewhat to another thread discussing 07/07/07...
but what's the outside chance of our being tempered into small doses of bad food from china into a major food disaster somewhere or all over the globe anytime soon?
i hate to be fear-mongering.
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Anything can happen at this point. Just a few days to find out, if anything.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to weigh in on this one. Don't have the gumption to do it right now. Bless you, Gary, for bringing this one forward. THIS is the battle!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the most jarring (and enlightening) books I have encountered is Richard Leviton's "Physician: Medicine and the Unsuspected Battle for Human Freedom", (Hampton Roads Publishing, 2000). In it, Leviton, a 30-year veteran editor/writer/publisher of health-related materials, outlines the fundamental differences between so-called 'western medicine' and the complementary, 'holistic', and integrative approach to human wellness and well-being that is being targeted by the powers that be. The history of western medicine, the pharmaceutical business, and food cartels is thoroughly dealt with, along with the trajectory of purpose behind their ascendancy.

I HEARTILY recommend the book to all with an interest in Gary's topic, as it frames the current situation perfectly.

My simple conclusion? Medical, pharmaceutical, and food corporate interests have been and are being used as a very effective means to delay and erode the evolution of human consciousness.

One of the most revolutionary (and revalationary!) things a person can do is to take control of their health. Although increasingly 'against the grain' of the norms set out for us in western society, controlling what is on your table and in your mouth is one of the most powerful stands you can make against the machinery of the corporatocracy that is trying to continue your enslavement.

Learn NOW (while it is still mostly legal for people to teach you) about herbs, natural healing, the properties of foods and their preparation, and their effect on your body and being.

And LEARN about the origins of allopathic medicine, pharmaceutical drugs, and corporate food interests to better understand their current activities and impact in the world.

Tend your garden! :-)
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My simple conclusion? Medical, pharmaceutical, and food corporate interests have been and are being used as a very effective means to delay and erode the evolution of human consciousness.


Maybe. But I think they just want MONEY. Well, money and social dependency on corps/govt, and helplessness otherwise.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I am one those people trying to change a lifetime of bad habits about my health, (better late than...), I have been through a whole variety of various foods, nostrums etc.
It has made made me a smarter consumer, and less likely to listen to the notions of my rather uninformed peers.
It is difficult enough to glean out the crap from the gold when it comes to food and health, I see that it could be a lifetime's work.
Now the psychopaths are manipulating this too. Swell.
As to the evil genius at work to change our genetic coding or change us all into zombies- maybe.
I go along with the attitude that they are simple minded greedy monsters, few having depth enough to see beyond the "gain" they achieve by conning us with another rip-off.
Some, I am sure have a more long range goal, but most have the foresight of a troubled two year old, instant gratification and on to the next "big deal".

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don Smith wrote:

Some, I am sure have a more long range goal, but most have the foresight of a troubled two year old, instant gratification and on to the next "big deal".


I agree completely. But which do you think are more dangerous? Cool

Incidentally, your observation on mastering the nuances of healthful living being a 'life work' is accurate, as well. But that is only because our typical training is so wrong-headed. It's the "unlearning" that takes the time...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dilbert_g wrote:

Maybe. But I think they just want MONEY. Well, money and social dependency on corps/govt, and helplessness otherwise.


Right to the point, Gary, and I don't disagree! But your modifier is equally true, and is that which requires the kind of planning and execution that the money-grubbing serves. People are NOT naturally helpless nor dependent. Getting them that way takes real work.
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From personal experience I know that many of the most widely used herbal medicines are actually very bad for epileptics and can trigger seizures that would not have occurred otherwise. There are a small handful of herbal products which can be epilepsy-compatible, but the majority of herbal products are actually downright bad for an epileptic. That's a reminder that herbs which never be seen as a substitute for more traditional medicine. A supplement they can be sometimes. But an epileptic is usually better off taking Tegretol rather than most of the favorite herbal nutrients.
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PatrickSMcNally wrote:
From personal experience I know that many of the most widely used herbal medicines are actually very bad for epileptics and can trigger seizures that would not have occurred otherwise. There are a small handful of herbal products which can be epilepsy-compatible, but the majority of herbal products are actually downright bad for an epileptic. That's a reminder that herbs which never be seen as a substitute for more traditional medicine. A supplement they can be sometimes. But an epileptic is usually better off taking Tegretol rather than most of the favorite herbal nutrients.


Special warnings about Tegretol

If you have a history of heart, liver, or kidney damage, an adverse blood reaction to any drug, glaucoma, or serious reactions to other drugs, you should discuss this history thoroughly with your doctor before taking this medication.

Anticonvulsant drugs such as Tegretol should not be stopped abruptly if you are taking the medication to prevent major seizures. There exists the strong possibility of continuous epileptic attacks without return to consciousness, leading to possible severe brain damage and death. Only your doctor should determine if and when you should stop taking this medication.

Since dizziness and drowsiness may occur while taking Tegretol, you should refrain from operating machinery or driving an automobile or participating in any high-risk activity that requires full mental alertness until you know how this drug affects you.

Older adults, especially, can become confused or agitated when taking Tegretol.

Tegretol has been known to cause serious blood, liver, and skin reactions, both early in treatment and after extended use. Alert your doctor immediately if you develop such warning signs as fever, sore throat, rash, ulcers in the mouth, easy bruising or spots in the skin, swollen lymph glands, loss of appetite, nausea or vomiting, or yellowing of the skin and eyes.

The coating of the Tegretol-XR tablet is not absorbed and passes through your body intact. If you notice it in your stool, it is not a cause for alarm.
Possible food and drug interactions when taking Tegretol

The use of the antiseizure medications phenobarbital, phenytoin (Dilantin), or primidone (Mysoline) may reduce the effectiveness of Tegretol. Take other anticonvulsants along with Tegretol only if your doctor advises it. The use of Tegretol with other anticonvulsants may change thyroid gland function.

All of the following drugs may raise the amount of Tegretol in the blood to harmful levels:

Azithromycin (Zithromax)
Calcium channel blockers such as Calan, Plendil, Sular, and Procardia
Cimetidine (Tagamet)
Clarithromycin (Biaxin)
Danazol (Danocrine)
Diltiazem (Cardizem)
Erythromycin (E-Mycin)
Fluoxetine (Prozac)
Isoniazid (Nydrazid)
Itraconazole (Sporanox)
Ketoconazole (Nizoral)
Loratadine (Claritin)
Niacinamide
Nicotinamide
Propoxyphene (Darvon)
Troleandomycin (Tao)
Valproate (Depakene, Depakote)

The following drugs may also reduce the effectiveness of Tegretol:

Cisplatin (Platinol)
Doxorubicin HCl (Adriamycin)
Felbamate (Felbatol)
Rifampin (Rifadin, Rimactane)
Theophylline (Theo-24, Uniphyl)

When taken with Tegretol, the effectiveness of the following drugs may be reduced: acetaminophen, alprazolam, calcium channel blockers (such as Plendil and Sular), clonazepam, clozapine, corticosteroids such as Pediapred and Decadron, cyclosporine, dicumarol, doxycycline, ethosuximide, haloperidol, itraconazole, lamotrigine, levothyroxine, methadone, methsuximide, midazolam, olanzapine, oral contraceptives, oxcarbazepine, phensuximide, phenytoin, praziquantel, protease inhibitors (such as Crixivan, Norvir, and Viracept), risperidone, theophylline, tiagabine, topiramate, tramadol, tricyclic antidepressants (such as Elavil, Pamelor, and Tofranil), valproic acid, warfarin, ziprasidone, and zonisamide.

Tegretol may increase the effectiveness of clomipramine HCl (Anafranil), phenytoin, or primidone if the drugs are taken together.

Lithium (Eskalith) used with Tegretol may cause harmful nervous system side effects.

If you are taking an oral contraceptive and Tegretol, you may experience blood spotting and your contraceptive may not be completely reliable.

Do not combine Tegretol suspension with other liquid medications such as Thorazine solution or Mellaril liquid. The mixture may congeal internally.
Special information if you are pregnant or breastfeeding

There are no adequate safety studies regarding the use of Tegretol in pregnant women. However, there have been reports of birth defects in infants. Therefore, this medication should be used during pregnancy only if the potential benefits justify the potential risk to the fetus. If you are pregnant or plan on becoming pregnant, you should discuss this with your doctor.

Tegretol appears in breast milk. If you are breastfeeding, your doctor may advise you to discontinue doing so if taking Tegretol is essential to your health.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

truthseeker wrote:
Special warnings about Tegretol


I stopped taking Tegretol a number of years ago. But regardless, the fact still stands that some of the most widely advocated herbal medicines do cause epileptic seizures to occur very easily. By comparison with that, any criticisms one could make about Tegretol, Celontin or any of the multiple others are at best long-range criticisms that may have significance over time but can't compare to an herbal nutrient which simply triggers off a seizure straight-away. Such herbal products do require warnings of a more immediate sort than can be applied to the conventional medicines.
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