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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:51 pm    Post subject: 'Thou Shalt Not Vote Hamas' Reply with quote

The crossovers between Iraq and Palestine get daily more evident.
Fallujah has, and Ramadi soon will, see the blunt consequence of
supporting or voting in ways that are unapproved. Gaza knows.


Pausing only briefly after the outcry over the killing of seven Palestinians on a beach in northern Gaza, the IDF were at it again today:

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Israel Air Strikes Kill 11 Palestinians in Gaza Strip



June 13 (Bloomberg) -- Israel struck the Gaza Strip from the air today, killing at least 11 people, including two children, in attacks that the military said were aimed at terrorists preparing to fire missiles at neighboring Israeli towns.

Both aerial assaults targeted a vehicle loaded with rockets that Palestinians planned to launch across the border, the Israeli army said in an e-mailed statement. After missing on the first strike, the car was hit the second time, Palestinian witnesses said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aIf33aTlyXfY&refer=top_world_news


The other casualties included:

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Gaza: Family killed outside home

Four members of al-Mughrabi family killed while IAF hits terror cell in Gaza; father's brother recounts events



by Ali Waked

Ashraf al-Mughrabi, his son Maher, his nephew Hashem and another family member were killed Tuesday in an Israel Air Force strike in Gaza. Eleven Palestinians were killed in the attack, eight of them civilians.

Talking to Ynet, Ashraf's brother Ayman al-Mughrabi recounted the grave incident.

Ashraf was about to leave for his work at a barber shop, when "a chopper fired the first missile on the car, just next to the house entrance. The door was displaced by the intensity of the blast and shock wave, and Ashraf went out to see what happened."

Ashraf's son and nephew also went outside, "and then the other missile was fired, killing them along with other civilians," the brother said.

Ashraf worked as a barber and provided for a wife, four children and his mother, who lived with the family. He was late to leave for work "and destiny lay in waiting," his brother told Ynet.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3262588,00.html


All this is happening even as the funerals of the previous victims take place:

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Heartbreak for girl, 7, as five of family are buried

Sunday, 11 June, 2006, 10:05 AM Doha Time


Huda Ghalya (centre) mourns during the funeral of five
family members in the northern Gaza Strip yesterday

BEIT LAHIYA: “Don’t leave me alone.”


With those parting words, and amid a sea of tears from thousands of mourners, seven-year-old Huda Ghalya bade farewell yesterday to her mother, father and three siblings killed when a sunny day on the beach turned into the child’s darkest day.

The five family members were among seven Palestinians who died when an explosion tore through the beach in northern Gaza on Friday as Israeli artillery shelled the coastal area used by militants to fire rockets into Israel. An eighth victim succumbed to his wounds in hospital yesterday.

Huda was swimming when her family died yards away onshore.

“Father, father, forgive me,” she cried as she kneeled to kiss her father’s face at the stark cemetery in the northern Gaza town of Beit Lahiya.

Huda fainted several times, only to be roused by women relatives who splashed water and perfume on her face.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Prime Minister Ismail Haniya said they were symbolically adopting the girl, pledging to cover all her living and education expenses.

Dozens of children from the Ghalya family’s neighbourhood attended the funeral.

“I do not want to go to the beach,” one boy told another as they stood to watch the bodies brought to the family house for farewell......

.....The deaths came three days before Olmert was to leave on a tour of Britain and France, during which he will aim to sell to a sceptical European public his plan of fixing Israel’s borders, without agreement of the Palestinians if necessary.

“This incident risks gravely prejudicing Israel’s image on the eve of the prime minister’s visit to France and Great Britain,” cabinet minister Isaac Herzog, a member of the centre-left Labour party, told reporters.

Analysts said the civilian deaths were likely to make Olmert’s task of selling his plan even harder.

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In the propaganda war over the beach deaths
the spin ranges from contrition to denial:


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Israeli PM's 'regret' over beach deaths

Tuesday, June 13, 2006; Posted: 11:50 a.m. EDT (15:50 GMT)


A girl weeps after members of her family
were killed in an explosion on a Gaza beach.


(CNN) -- Israel's prime minister on Sunday expressed regret over the deaths of seven members of a family at a Gaza beach on Friday that Palestinians say was caused by Israeli shelling.

Ehud Olmert, speaking at the start of Israel's weekly Cabinet meeting, said "it has never been Israel's policy to attack innocent civilians," and said an inquiry was under way.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/11/olmert.gaza/


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The Gaza beach explosion video

by Michael Allen

As a former US Marine who is quite familiar with the effects of artillery, I must point out that a careful viewing of the media video of the after effects of the Gaza explosion showed NO artillery round craters.

Israel’s IDF uses 155 mm artillery shells. These are quite powerful and invariably leave a crater, some as deep as four feet in soft soil like sand. Virtually none were visible in the film. Particularly in the area immediately adjacent to the family’s alleged picnic site.

There is something very wrong in this entire story about that explosion. Unfortunately, the Palestinians have already reaped the benefit from a world media all too eager to blame Israel.

UPDATE:

Michael Allen’s insight is confirmed by an Israel Defense Forces report, just released and published in the Jerusalem Post:

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The IDF probe investigating the deaths of seven Palestinian civilians, caused by an explosion on a beach in Gaza on Friday evening, concluded that chances were slim that the accident was caused by IDF shelling.

According to Channel 2, the findings, expected to be formally released on Tuesday, showed an inconsistency between the shrapnel found in the body of one of the wounded babies and the metal used in IDF artillery.

Moreover, the investigation noted the absence of a large enough crater at the site of the explosion, as would be expected if an IDF shell had landed there.

The third observation casting doubt on the possibility of IDF shelling was the gap between the time when the army shot the artillery and when the commotion on the beach began. According to the probe’s findings, several minutes past after the shelling, before the Palestinians on the beach reacted.

On Saturday evening Gaza Division Commander Brig.-Gen. Aviv Kochavi insisted that the sites that were shelled by the IDF were the places from where Kassam rockets were launched. He noted those places were frequently targeted by the IDF, and were known to be dangerous places.

The leading theory currently entertained, suggested that an explosive charge, buried by Palestinians on the Gaza beach to prevent Israeli infiltration, was behind the explosion.

http://www.americanthinker.com/comments.php?comments_id=5355


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Gaza beach blast: Possible scenarios

Israel continues to probe Beit Lahiya beach blast. Unanswered questions: What were gunmen seeking on scene after blast, why won’t Palestinians aid inquiry, and why did wounded arrive at Israeli hospital free of shrapnel?

by Hanan Greenberg

Two days have passed since the tough incident on Beit Lahiya’s beachfront, in which seven members of a Palestinian family were killed in an explosion blamed on Israel. Tragic pictures of a seven-year-old girl, orphaned by the blast, running around her bloodied, dying father were broadcast around the world, and sharp criticism was hurled at Israel from all directions.

But by Sunday, accumulating proof is suggesting – at least to the Israeli side – that the blast may not have been caused by an IDF shell......

However, sources at the Gaza hospital told Ynet that the shrapnel was from “standard” shells, in other words the ones used by the IDF. “We know this shrapnel well, and are willing to testify in front of any investigative committee or court of law,” said a senior staff-member of one of the local hospitals.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3261513,00.html


Meanwhile some in Israel are blaming the gov. for
not wheeling out the propaganda quickly enough.


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Analysis: Losing the propaganda war

By ANSHEL PFEFFER

The total failure of the IDF..... to counter the Palestinian propaganda campaign in the foreign press that began immediately after seven members of one family were killed at a Gaza beach on Friday afternoon, proves that after so many years of media warfare, the military still prefers to rely on the Foreign Ministry when it comes to the international media.

The IDF Spokesperson unit has officers fluent in a wide range of languages, in charge of contact with the hundreds of foreign reporters working in Israel, but it doesn't seem as if the higher command of the unit sees such contact as a crucial task.

The photographs flashing on TV screens around the world of 12-year-old Huda Ghalia searching frantically for her parents in the sand after the explosion on the beach, only to find their bodies, caught the army by surprise. It took 24 hours before official Israeli sources began saying, at first almost apologetically, that there was a possibility that the explosive that had torn apart the Ghalia family, might not have come from an IDF artillery shell but from a Palestinian device instead.

By then, of course, it was too late. The images of Huda, expressing better than any words the extent of Israeli "brutality," had already transformed the Palestinian version of the events into incontrovertible facts. Whatever Israeli spokesmen were saying at that point seemed like a lame attempt at covering up.

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Meanwhile the same problems of lack of food, medical aid, jobs etc.
as plague Iraqis are being implemented against ordinary Palestinians.

Think of it as a slow-burn Fallujah.

In the old-era thinking, guerilla resistance to occupation is supposed
to be advantaged because guerillas can merge with the populace.

But what if the occupier is prepared to slaughter ordinary people?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The point they attempt to make about no artillary shell is so pathetic. I'm not in the army, but even I know that anti-personel HE artillary rounds detonate above the ground for maximum effectivness, at least since after WW2.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"The leading theory currently entertained, suggested that an explosive charge, buried by Palestinians on the Gaza beach to prevent Israeli infiltration, was behind the explosion".

Someone help me understand this please, I'm so confused. The explosive was buried in the sand, but didn't leave a crater?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's ok, I understand now. The Palestinians are just up to the usual terrorist tricks as with the Guantanamo Bay prisoners.

They nearly had me fooled for a minute.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:33 pm    Post subject: The Evidence Reply with quote

Seems pretty clear, Eh?

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Revealed: the shrapnel evidence that points to Israel's guilt

By Donald Macintyre in Beit Lahiya, Gaza - 14 June 2006
London Independent

Israel has dismissed continuing calls for an independent international inquiry into the beachfront explosion which killed seven members of a Palestinian family in Gaza last Friday after its own internal military investigation decided it was not responsible for the blast.

As the military investigation team insisted that artillery fire had stopped by the time the explosion occurred and suggested it had been caused by a bomb planted in the sand, Amir Peretz, the Defence Minister, declared: " The accumulating evidence proves that this incident was not due to Israeli forces."

But the official interpretation was strongly challenged by a former Pentagon battle damage expert who has surveyed the scene of the beach explosion. He said yesterday that "all the evidence points" to a 155mm Israeli land-based artillery shell as its cause.

Marc Garlasco, who worked in war zones including Iraq and Kosovo during his seven-year stint in the US Department of Defence, called for an independent investigation into the killings after concluding that shell fragments and shrapnel from the site, the size and distribution of the craters on the beach, and the type of injuries sustained by the victims made Israeli shelling easily the likeliest cause....

The debate over the beach explosion is unlikely to die down however. Mr Garlasco who is now the senior military analyst for Human Rights Watch, said yesterday: "Of course I can't be completely conclusive but all the evidence points to its being a 155mm Israeli shell which killed the Palestinians on the beach."

Mr Garlasco said that most of the serious injuries of the victims in the Gaza hospitals that he had visited were to the torsos and heads, which were inconsistent with a land mine or of a bomb embedded in the sand. "If this had been a landmine I would have expected to see serious leg injuries," he said. Mr Garlasco said that while he could not rule out the theoretical possibility that Palestinian militants had rigged up an unexploded 155mm shell to make an explosive device of their own, that too would have normally produced many more severe leg injuries.

Mr Garlasco produced a four to five-inch, mainly blackened shell fragment which he collected about 100 yards from the scene of the explosion and in which the figures 55 and the letters "mm" are clearly discernible. While acknowledging that this was not itself definite proof that the shell had killed the Palestinians he said some fragments and shrapnel which the Palestinian police explosives department say they took from the scene where the victims were killed were definitely from a 155mm shell.

Mr Garlasco who accompanied a small group of journalists to the Beit Lahia beach, pointed to three separate craters, each covered in a whitish powder, which he said were fresh, one of which was at the spot where witnesses agree the fatal blast occurred, and the two others separated it from it by about 120 and 250 yards. Mr Garlasco added: "It would be a really ridiculous coincidence if there is active shelling and then suddenly an IED [improvised explosive device] goes off....."

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article994070.ece
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the Israeli government is deliberately murdering families and provoking attacks against Jewish people.

It's such a simple game.
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