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Christophera



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stannrodd wrote:
Christophera commenting on the photo below wrote:
Below is not a stairwell, and it is in the wrong place to be related to one.




Chris do us the decent thing and tell us how you know where is a right place and a wrong place for a stairwell ...?

Stann Very Happy


The stair wells were not in the center of the narrow axis, they were in the coreners and not over 20 feet horizontal. The plans are okay to us to locate basic features.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/plans/frames.html

Do the decent thing and produce an image of the steel core columns in the core area from 9-11.

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Info specific to WTC 1 via the documentary, "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers". WTC 2 had differences in its concrete core.
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aAzzAa



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gamolon wrote:
Christophera wrote:
Gamolon wrote:
Go watch some videos of the collpases and then come back. You honestly think that the towers TOTALLY collapsed on 10 or 11 seconds?


You need to explain how the towers came down in thirty seconds IF you are going to bitch about insignificant differences.

The dust hung around for a day before it came down!

Start explaining. Begin with explaining how the supposed steel core columns were cut so they are never seen.


Face it Chris. Your theory is done. Even Fintan thinks that your theory is no longer plausible.

Are you going to say that Fintan is an agent also now?



A plausible theory eh. Ok, so what does one believe then Gam?
I look forward to you demolishing the official theory now:


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Jack Flanders

the Official Story defies physics, economics, policy & data

I don't have a PhD, but I'm an engineer and the story does not wash from any angle. Evidence that might prove the Story true has been destroyed, remains secret or simply doesn't exist. The financial evidence is all over the place.



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Hombre



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again Gam speaks:

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If total collapse occured in ten seconds, then why do we see pictures of Chris' "concrete core" still standing? That's not total collapse to me. Based on that, you need to redefine your explanation. Total tower collpase did not happen in 10 or 11 seconds.


Sir you can't be serious, that would indicate a desperate situation, or blatant IGNORANCE. I'm inclined to go with the latter.

Free fall of an object " INDEPENDENT " of the structure in question, THE SHIT YOU'RE PUSHING, would obviolusly be of less time than that of the structure itself collapsing due to " RESISTANCE " ONLY THE RESISTANCE present on 9-11 was basically non-existent. I'm sure you'll agree. So given 10, 11, 12, 13-20-30 seconds collapse time of a massive 1,300 foot tall structure weighing it at several thousand, ( if not more ) TONS, should have taken much much longer than anything close to ( WHAT DID NIST SAY?") L@@K it up Gam, in comparison to said Videos!

Your weak " HAIR SPLITTING " effort should be enough to have you banned, or at a minimum sent to the corner.

Twisting a Total Collapse Laughing Laughing Nice try, kind of like telling a teenager that she's only a" LITTLE BIT PREGNANT "

Is this the best your handlers have to offer? Bush league! Keep your trigger finger on that quote feature my boy, it's the only shovel you have, the only option in your attempt to bury thought provoking text.

QUESTION: TITANIUM ENGINES at the Pentagon/ 767 / Why only one phucking hole ? Was it magic, or just dumb luck that those Aluminum light poles had their Wheaties that morning and knocked one of them off of the plane? Laughing

Bush league!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

14/15 seconds?





There's flashes mentioned too. Some think it was explosions, and someone suggests aliminium.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll need Quicktime to view this, but it is obvious there are squibs here, some ten floors below where the collapse is happening.

http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/squibs_and_streamers.mov

What's the explanation behind that? Gam? Stann?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonder if NIST and their computer animations had something as interesting as this to watch. Click on link to open up a series of photos that show lines of explosives going off. I say explosives, but perhaps Gam and Stann can give their expert explanation here.

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/evidence_of_explosives.htm
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hombre wrote:
Your weak " HAIR SPLITTING " effort should be enough to have you banned, or at a minimum sent to the corner.


So weak and so hair splitting that I managed to help convince Fintan that Chris' theory is nothing but a bunch of crap.

Laughing

Answer a question please. Is Fintan now an agent and part of the "group of lemmings" like me because he believes Chris' theory isn't plausible?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aAzzAa wrote:
Gamolon wrote:
Christophera wrote:
Gamolon wrote:
Go watch some videos of the collpases and then come back. You honestly think that the towers TOTALLY collapsed on 10 or 11 seconds?


You need to explain how the towers came down in thirty seconds IF you are going to bitch about insignificant differences.

The dust hung around for a day before it came down!

Start explaining. Begin with explaining how the supposed steel core columns were cut so they are never seen.


Face it Chris. Your theory is done. Even Fintan thinks that your theory is no longer plausible.

Are you going to say that Fintan is an agent also now?



A plausible theory eh. Ok, so what does one believe then Gam?
I look forward to you demolishing the official theory now:


Quote:
Jack Flanders

the Official Story defies physics, economics, policy & data

I don't have a PhD, but I'm an engineer and the story does not wash from any angle. Evidence that might prove the Story true has been destroyed, remains secret or simply doesn't exist. The financial evidence is all over the place.





Waiting.............................................................................
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Is Fintan now an agent or "on the same payroll" as me because he doesn't believe Chris theory after seeing my evidence?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gamolon wrote:
aAzzAa wrote:
Gamolon wrote:
Christophera wrote:
Gamolon wrote:
Go watch some videos of the collpases and then come back. You honestly think that the towers TOTALLY collapsed on 10 or 11 seconds?


You need to explain how the towers came down in thirty seconds IF you are going to bitch about insignificant differences.

The dust hung around for a day before it came down!

Start explaining. Begin with explaining how the supposed steel core columns were cut so they are never seen.


Face it Chris. Your theory is done. Even Fintan thinks that your theory is no longer plausible.

Are you going to say that Fintan is an agent also now?



A plausible theory eh. Ok, so what does one believe then Gam?
I look forward to you demolishing the official theory now:


Quote:
Jack Flanders

the Official Story defies physics, economics, policy & data

I don't have a PhD, but I'm an engineer and the story does not wash from any angle. Evidence that might prove the Story true has been destroyed, remains secret or simply doesn't exist. The financial evidence is all over the place.





Waiting.............................................................................
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................................................................................slump


Is Fintan now an agent or "on the same payroll" as me because he doesn't believe Chris theory after seeing my evidence?


Typical Gamolon evasion. Well, here it is, if Fintan evaded the way you do, then he can kiss my ass as well. Ok?

This thread is littered with you "choosing" not to answer certain questions.
I've even gone along with you by suggesting "ok, now what". You going to demolish the pile of bullshit that is an official take on 9/11? I doubt that very much. I can already hear you weasel out of it by saying you only care about coming here to attack the concrete core theory. Well good for you fuckstain.

Well I maintian, even if it isn't a valid theory, that the place to start to get to the root of what is going on, is by carrying out a proper and fair investigation, to see what comes out of it. Because as things stand, you can't prove what you are using to invalidate anything is valid. Prove that you use valid means.

Fintan is another voice. If I'm expected to cower in obedience because he owns a forum, I don't play that way. Why don't you say Stann agrees with you? Or Hawk? Or Bush , or that Julie Annie guy?
But that's you all over Gam. Always need a crutch in order to show yourself as infallible. Get real. Talk real. Who the fuck are you anyway?
If I had a fake sixpence, I could prove all other theories wrong using it.
Why aren't these plans coming out of hiding? What's being hidden?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just think about what Stann said earlier, Gam. He doesn't believe Bin Laden was responsible for the collapse of those towers. The people that were didn't mind 3000 people perishing. What kind of people would they be Gam? To what lengths would they go? What's at stake? Oil, wars , and profit? Imagine if the collapse of the towers was linked to the ongoing wars, and tally up the number of dead so far. Man, if they wanted to hide and confuse the so called evidence, what do you reckon dude, could they?

You've seen how the film industry can clear the internet of any new films that people host on their blogs. It's a piece of piss creating the reality "they" want created.

Now I agree that a concrete core isn't necessary. But how exactly do I simply agree with you? The evidence is all but gone. The blueprints are copies, and you and Chris slug out your interpretations.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aAzzAa wrote:

Why aren't these plans coming out of hiding? What's being hidden?


I wish the rest of the truth movement was as observant and asking such common sense questions.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gamolon wrote:
Hombre wrote:
Your weak " HAIR SPLITTING " effort should be enough to have you banned, or at a minimum sent to the corner.


So weak and so hair splitting that I managed to help convince Fintan that Chris' theory is nothing but a bunch of crap.

Laughing

Answer a question please. Is Fintan now an agent and part of the "group of lemmings" like me because he believes Chris' theory isn't plausible?


Laughing Laughing PLAUSIBLE: " Isn't plausible, or is impossible, in part or in whole!

You convinced Fintan that this theory is crap you say, bold talk. I doubt you, or anyone else here, has convinced Fintan of anything. 480 plus pages and counting, that's some convincing Gam.

Take it from me: Things are not always what they seem, especially to one who has their head so far up their rectum. Somewhere I hear an engineer spooning " OH THAT SOUND " those are bolts popping off of the perimeter columns as the floors pancake toward the ground " Laughing Never mind the tiny particulate filling the air " That's just normal " Wink

The matter weighing a few tons flying from the collapse as if expelled by some source of energy above and beyond gravity, pay it no mind folks, keep moving, we can explain all of that just give us a few years! Laughing

Very convincing Gam, I'm sure you have even those within your FIRM eating out of your hand!

Fintan an agent or Lemming Eyes roll do let me ponder that one a bit.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Afetr some investigating, I found this little tidbit.

Let's take a trip down memory lane when Chris' core was at it's infancy. I suggest you folks who think Chris' theory is nothing more than a "moving goalpost" fest, have a look at it.

http://letsrollforums.com/wtc-demo-c4-coated-t985.html?t=985

Chris' claims he saw a video discussing the cores of the towers. That's right. THE CORES. Not just one core. Not JUST the core of WTC1 as he states now in his disclaimer, but both cores.

There is never any mention of WTC1's core being different than WTC2's core in this thread. There is never any mention of the massive redesign of the core. He spoke of both towers as being almost the same structure.

There is even an eyewitness that speaks of the same issue that I bring up about there not being room for his core. The person name is 4thecheeze. It's post #144. He worked there and describes the same lobby that my coworker described when he worked there. The elevators were close to the walls and could not fit Chris' core walls.

http://letsrollforums.com/wtc-demo-c4-coated-t985p15.html

If Chris saw this documentary as he claims and gets all this evidence and information from it, then why does it keep changing whenever someone provides evidence that his core couldn't have existed.

The fact is he argued that the cores were the same from the beginning and then when he was pushed into a corner about elevator access , he changes his tune to fit the new evidence. Why the change if he got his information from the documentary? Did the documentary change since he saw it last?

Why the lie about his engineer friend, Mr. Harold Hill? Why does Chris say early on that his friend saw the SAME documentary as Chris did, yet know he says the Mr. Hill saw a different one? Why the lie Chris?

Hey aAzzAa, since you seem to be hard pressed to find anyone that worked in the towers to ask about the lobby elevator access, why don;t you contact Mr. Hill and explain Chris' theory to him and how Chris is using his written declaration as supporting proof. See what he says.

Where is all Chris' horseshit in the above thread about the core redesign? He also talks about the reason for the delay in building the tower cores. NOT because of the redesign of WTC2's, but something totally different. See if you can find it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hey aAzzAa, since you seem to be hard pressed to find anyone that worked in the towers to ask about the lobby elevator access, why don;t you contact Mr. Hill and explain Chris' theory to him and how Chris is using his written declaration as supporting proof. See what he says.



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Why Question?

If the official story was a tapestry of lies, and the September 11th attack was a meticulously engineered fraud perpetrated by officials sworn to protect us, people would naturally have a difficult time confronting that reality. To reject a story so thoroughly entrenched in consensus reality means both ridicule from others and embarrassment at having been manipulated. Nonetheless, people who have not questioned the official 9-11 story owe it to themselves to consider what kind of world is possible if the official story were to fall apart. All of the attacks on privacy, dignity, civil liberties, justice, peace, and government accountability enacted in the name of fighting terrorism since the attack would become completely indefensible. The corporate media would be thoroughly discredited for its role as propagandist for the perpetrators. A truth commission or some such body would be empowered to find the truth, and people throughout our society would distance themselves from the perpetrators and all that they represented in ruthlessness, duplicity, unaccountability, and arrogance. Truthfulness and independent thinking would be newly valued. Neglect of the people we punished for a crime they had nothing to do with would give way to contrition, sympathy, and reconstruction aid. And there would be vast resources to apply to such projects once the military budget was adjusted to fit newly perceived realities, in a world no longer dominated by the merchants of deception and fear. That might not be such a bad thing.

If the attack was a fraud, would you want to be the last to know? If you haven't re-examined the official story, why not take another look? We have nothing to lose but an Orwellian nightmare, in which an unaccountable few plunder the earth's natural resources, and sap the human spirit through engineered fear.

http://911research.wtc7.net/question.html


The only thing I have to decide is who out of you and Chris is walking the path to truth and justice. You don't act like a man that wants to hold the liars in power to justice. You act like a man on a mission that doesn't include the exposing of what remains hidden. You would rather work with what is allowed to be out there.

So you write to hill you friggin creep.Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anybody here actually know where Gamolon stands regarding 9/11? Has he ever given his own position away in the 400 pages of this thread?
I've seen him slag off anything to do with conspiracy. Would you like to spend a post telling me where you stand Gam, about the terrorist attack, America's ignorance about it prior to 9/11 and your views on the right to keep evidence hidden? Come on Gam let's get to know you.
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