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Jeroen



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The groundbreaking for the WTC was August 5, 1966. This episode aired only 197 days after the WTC groundbreaking. The steel construction didn't even begin until August 1968, and the ribbon cutting wasn't until April 4, 1973. This whole thing was just wayyyyyy too coincidental for me to accept.

And what if it had aired 237 days after groundbreaking? Or 1001 days? Wayyyy too coincidental too? Perhaps Discovery Channel had a "demolition week" (you know, like shark week) xxx days after groundbreaking--omygod!
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Before you dismiss me as insane, recall the old intelligence rule, "If you want to hide something, put it out in the open," which was never more true than in this case.

Never heard of this "old intelligence rule" and putting it in a tv show can hardly be called "out in the open", but it does seem to make sense to show some disinfo in a tv show. And I won't dismiss the writer as insane because his writing style seems to be too good for that. His arguments though *are* insane.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Craig -

I am curious about the timing of the article?
Craig W wrote:
This appears frivolous but the timing is very interesting...

It was written in 2002; is that what you are referring to or is it something else?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can buy the rebarb element of the conversation.
I just wrote a whole opinion of this Audio and through this have deleted it and chosen to write this.
A long time ago I got into a discussion of large skyscrapers with a friend. I realized that if these buildings were to out live their worth then at some point they would have to be eliminated.
Money as debt becomes a costly proposition. The growth of a city in our time should become esthetic and mobile or intrinsic.
If it become static then it must come into motion and no longer belong.
I buy this idea as it pertains to the Globilisation project we all speak to.
It is obvious what has happened with the WTC and I would ask those who deny the current audio to look towards the enormous building projects which are taking place within the middle east and Asia.
Surely these buildings must be filled with the same technology and greater.
Check out these enormous buildings.
I do believe the WTC Towers were designed to fail perfectly and this failure has led to scientific DATA which is leading towards much larger structures.
Has anyone thought of this factor?
The demo of a controled structure in order to build higher and higher?

All part of the Globalists masquerade.
As Fintan said many birds and many stones.
Sorry I fucked that up.
OR as RICKY said
"Getting two birds stoned at once"
It's all very intriguing.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:41 pm    Post subject: Whaa?.... Reply with quote

First, the idea that construction with hundreds of union laborers and a high degree of safety culture which is the norm for such a construction site would include men just routinely including highly-dangerous explosives as they build a monument to last many decades is...PREPOSTEROUS.

Can you picture the challenge of secretly including explosives in this work environment?
And then getting them to work just right decades later?

C'mon. Be serious. William Rodriguez and the guy who told us of the power being shut off the weekend before Tuesday, the 11th BOTH described evidence of unknown construction happening on floors that were supposed to be vacant.

And there was that elevator project for months before the day of the crime.

Oh, and this bit demolishes the rest of that long Maxwell Smart post and the author for me, thank you-
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On October 10, 1971, Susskind established a first on American television when he hosted seven lesbians. This is a perfect example of how the Committee of 300 would destroy the social fabric of America through the public discussion of such despicable behavior. Later on March 2, 1974, Susskind again hosted gay and lesbian activists.


Uh, I don't think MI6 unleashed homosexuality on Murika as a 'bioweapon.'
sheesh.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to ask everyone for a moment to turn off any tv or radio, get the room quiet, and take a few minutes to think back to the first time you saw the towers fall on television way back in 2001....

Fast forward past the planes hitting the buildings and the fireball of fuel .... forget the planes. Just isolate your reaction when the Towers suddenly dropped.

See if you can visualize the room the tv you saw it on was in. Where you were. Be there and remember your first assumption of what was happening.

What was your mind's first impression seeing the towers fall suddenly straight down.

What was your first impression? What did it look like to you?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wu Li wrote:

Also everyone must remember that construction plans are just that, just construction plans. During the process, redlines are made and placed in to the documentary group(in this case drafters) who would have kept a running record of all changes made within the process.


No, this building was uniquely tapered in steel beam dimension to spread the mass out so there was less at the top than at the bottom.

Every single steel beam was labeled for where it went in the jigsaw puzzle.
This is why all the steel was rapidly disposed of, it would've been easy to do an autopsy on the building and know what happened.

So I don't think there was much if any variation from the extremely thoroughly tested design which was over-designed for strength by many factors due to the height, winds, and proximity to airports.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:53 pm    Post subject: Excellent. Reply with quote

Ormond wrote:

What was your mind's first impression seeing the towers fall suddenly straight down.

What was your first impression? What did it look like to you?

Comments?


I did not see it until months later when PBS ran something, might've been the Gaudet brothers' documentary, maybe something else. I was taking all day classes that week and not watching TV so it was just radio commentary until I saw it long after everyone else had been conditioned by the video loop of mass death.

When I saw it for the first time in a calm reflective state of mind I was stunned and surprised. It wasn't at all what I expected.

I saw great plumes of debris exploding outward like a disintegrating Roman candle.
So I saw controlled demolition the very first time and started looking online for a clue.

Then I found how media is controlled by the USG to maintain 'stability operations.'
"Ah, we have to ring this bell ourselves until the whole village knows it was an inside job."

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:00 am    Post subject: WTC 7... Reply with quote

jirons wrote:

You seem to suggest that the detail of demolition was fine tuned as it was in progress. Do you mean someone is staring at a visual display and frantically pressing buttons, split second by split second?


Yes, staring at a visual display, perhaps in WTC 7.
Or just with remote cameras and even sensors to detect major shifts in structure.
All common tech in military-intelligence culture.

The initiation of the exposive firing sequence from floor-to-floor would've been automated and started by radio. This tech is used in the demo business.

And watching to make sure the tops of the towers didn't topple over and away would've made sense since they were needed to stay over the center of the towers as the cover story, the 'pile driver' plunging through every floor.

And that's exactly what happened. One tower top started to move over to one side but it never did because first it blew up in place and almost simultaneously the floor-by-floor sequence beneath it began.

This would've been done on 'visuals,' as the pilots say. A combination of manual control followed by auto-sequencing to look like 'pancaking.'

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrewTerry wrote:
Hey Craig -

I am curious about the timing of the article?
Craig W wrote:
This appears frivolous but the timing is very interesting...

It was written in 2002; is that what you are referring to or is it something else?

Thanks!


I was referring to the timing of the particular "Get Smart" episode in relation to the timing of the WTC's construction.

According to the article:
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The groundbreaking for the WTC was August 5, 1966. This episode aired only 197 days after the WTC groundbreaking. The steel construction didn't even begin until August 1968, and the ribbon cutting wasn't until April 4, 1973. This whole thing was just wayyyyyy too coincidental for me to accept.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wu Li wrote:
I have seen the video he speaks of in the audio.
I do believe I saw it on PBS (NO it wasnt the one with silverstien but a much older one I saw at least a couple of years or so before the towers were destroyed.
Although, it may have been a part of a Historic NY series I am thinking of with just pieces of it. I bet you PBS has the whole thing.


Wu Li, what you MAYBE MIGHT have seen(my memories a 'lil fuzzy on this), and what I think I saw years ago were probably parts of a (on a 7 DVDs boxed set) PBS series called New York: A Documentary Film . www.pbs.org/wnet/newyork/series/index.html ; 14.5 hours total, covering from 1609 to end of 20th century. A lot of public and local libraries would have it; DVD # 7 covers 1945 to the present . The version I saw was created in 1999 according to amazon.com, and had a DVD release date of September 25, 2001 www.amazon.com/New-York-Episode-PBS-Boxed/dp/B00005NC51 .

From the PBS.org link
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Episode 7: The City and the World (1945-Present)

During the seventh episode of NEW YORK: A DOCUMENTARY FILM, the turbulent and often harrowing years from 1945 to the present are explored. Emerging from the Depression and the Second World War as the most powerful metropolis on Earth, New York soon confronted urban woes of unprecedented proportions, and fought for its very existence.

Program Description
In exploring the social, economic and physical forces that swept through the city in the post-war period, Episode Seven examines the great African-American migration and Puerto Rican immigration of the '40s, '50s, and '60s; the beginnings of white flight and suburbanization; and the massive physical changes wrought by highways and urban renewal -- all of which were directed, to a surprising degree, by one man: Robert Moses. The film comes to a climax with the destruction of Penn Station, the battle over the Lower Manhattan Expressway, the social and fiscal crises of the '60s and '70s, and New York's miraculous revival in the last quarter-century.


Also, looks like in 2003, PBS added an 8th DVD to the box set called "The Center of the World:1946-2003" www.amazon.com/New-York-Center-World-Part/dp/B0000AQS6X/ref=imdbpov_dvd_2/104-8540269-1575126

Okay, is it a coincidence that the title of the so-called doc everybody is apparently looking for, when entering it into a search engine(google) with quotation marks, the first link is to a description of the 8th DVD of the New York documentary series I mentioned here, with the title of the page being People & Events: The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers ?

OMG!!! David Icke's lizard people have invaded PBS & google...again. Nine - Eleventy-1!!!111!!One!!!111!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The PBS documentary "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers" was mentioned in a thread by Hocus Locus somewhere in the 9/11 3i forums I think. If i remember correctly Hocus had watched the film and recounted it very well. I searched for that post but can't find it just yet... anyway, maybe Hocus has a copy or knows where he can get his hands on one. I'll ask around too...

Also should mention that Oxy/Acetylene torches are not used for the precision cutting of steel anymore. Nowadays we use Plasma Cutting equipment. We have one of our own in the shop and it totally eliminates the obsolete flame cutting technology of our old Oxy/Acetylene outfit.

Plasma Cutters are cheaper to use since they eliminate the need for consumable gases and they cut very fine lines without slag flow problems. They also cut very thick steels with results like are seen in the photos explaining the "cuts".

Hope this audio makes possible some rational stuff for a change... progress was certainly stagnant for a long time now. Thanks for bringing it, both Christopher and Fintan. Its damn good. Damn well presented with the proper terminology too.

So Christopher, I hope you'll hang around and accept my apology for dissing you in another thread. I'm not totally bought in but I'm a critical observer once again at least. Thanks for letting me do that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:56 am    Post subject: Re: Whaa?.... Reply with quote

Hugh Manatee wrote:
First, the idea that construction with hundreds of union laborers and a high degree of safety culture which is the norm for such a construction site would include men just routinely including highly-dangerous explosives as they build a monument to last many decades is...PREPOSTEROUS.

Can you picture the challenge of secretly including explosives in this work environment?
And then getting them to work just right decades later?

C'mon. Be serious. William Rodriguez and the guy who told us of the power being shut off the weekend before Tuesday, the 11th BOTH described evidence of unknown construction happening on floors that were supposed to be vacant.

And there was that elevator project for months before the day of the crime.

Oh, and this bit demolishes the rest of that long Maxwell Smart post and the author for me, thank you-
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On October 10, 1971, Susskind established a first on American television when he hosted seven lesbians. This is a perfect example of how the Committee of 300 would destroy the social fabric of America through the public discussion of such despicable behavior. Later on March 2, 1974, Susskind again hosted gay and lesbian activists.


Uh, I don't think MI6 unleashed homosexuality on Murika as a 'bioweapon.'
sheesh.


You make some interesting points, Hugh.

The pre-planted C4 idea is of course highly speculative (as is all our guess-work about exactly how the WTCs were brought down) requiring as it does a high security risk at the time of construction and the possibility of failure when activated decades later (Brown is very specific on the details of why WTC1 didn't work quite right - how can he know or is he just guessing?).

What do you think of the concrete core idea?

Regarding the long article I posted (I will edit that post to shorten it), you commit a logical fallacy in inferring that the dubious quote you cite (and on which I agree with you) invalidates the whole proposition. Similarly, any reference to The Committee of 300 have to be taken with a large pinch of salt.

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