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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:40 pm    Post subject: New Audio: Big Pharma's Health Coup d'Etat Reply with quote



Big Pharma's Health Coup d'Etat

Believe it or not, clinical trials are to be abandoned in a new US House
Bill pushed by Pharma. The Bill also also attacks dietary supplements.
Meanwhile, covert US-EU trade moves are preparing the way for Codex.
Big Pharma is laying groundwork for a global health takeover. Soon.


Guests: Jonathan Emord, Bob Verkerk, Byron Richards, Paul Taylor

'The Long Life Report' Internet Radio Show - 18th June, 2007

LISTEN:
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REFERENCES & LINKS

Byron Richards
http://www.wellnessresources.com/founders.php

Dr. Robert Verkerk
http://www.alliance-natural-health.org/index.cfm?action=contact

Paul Anthony Taylor
http://www.thenhf.com/Taylor_Introspective.htm

Jonathan Emord
http://emord.com/people/john_emord.htm
http://www.talkstarradio.com/hosts/emordpage.htm

FDA’s Critical Path Initiative
http://www.fda.gov/oc/initiatives/criticalpath/initiative.html

Codex Alimentarius
http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp

H.R. 1561
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1561:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.01561:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:SN00484:

Byron Richards

...on the FDA
http://www.newswithviews.com/Richards/byron34.htm

...on Dietary Supplements

Understanding the Threat to Dietary Supplements - Part 1
http://www.wellnessresources.com/newsroom/index.php/content/articles/understanding_the_threat_to_dietary_supplements_part_1/
Understanding the Threat to Dietary Supplements - Part 2
http://www.wellnessresources.com/newsroom/index.php/content/articles/understanding_the_threat_to_dietary_supplements_part_2/

How the FDA is Becoming a Drug Company
Part 1
http://www.newswithviews.com/Richards/byron34.htm
Part 2
http://www.newswithviews.com/Richards/byron35.htm

China Has A Solution For The FDA's Problem
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=28383

Paul Anthony Taylor

EU-U.S. Summit Signals New Threats To Natural Health Therapies
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/us/summit07/index.html


MORE LINKS SOON



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our area has one of those clincs that advertises you can earn money by becoming a test subject for clinical trials. A friend of a friend decided to do it for extra cash. The pay was for $2,000 if you completed the trial. The guy filled out the weekly form and was dropped from the program. He soon learned that if you wanted to earn the full payout you filled out the forms the way they wanted them filled out or you were dropped. That was the story anyway. It sounds like something that would be done. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep, bornfree, my sister participates with clinics like that for extra money. she gets different creams spread on her back. yuck.

my question, besides big pharma's major takeover, and all those horrid sales people crowding the doctors' waiting rooms.... is eventually when no one can afford healthcare insurance, how are insurance companies going to make money without our premiums?

ok, they'll have the rest of the world participating... but, they can't afford the high prices either.

are these corporations fighting over who gets my house first? the bank, the insurance company, the goverment. will they begin fighting each other? well, M&A's are pretty much that, already.

it's basically their/ our last hurrah before serfdom...?

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RedMahna wrote:
yep, bornfree, my sister participates with clinics like that for extra money. she gets different creams spread on her back. yuck.

my question, besides big pharma's major takeover, and all those horrid sales people crowding the doctors' waiting rooms.... is eventually when no one can afford healthcare insurance, how are insurance companies going to make money without our premiums?

ok, they'll have the rest of the world participating... but, they can't afford the high prices either.

are these corporations fighting over who gets my house first? the bank, the insurance company, the goverment. will they begin fighting each other? well, M&A's are pretty much that, already.

it's basically their/ our last hurrah before serfdom...?

red


RedMahna, perhaps we'll know most can't afford healthcare when the politicians all move to give us National Health Care (after they take the house and all our savings that is).
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bravo Fintan - excellent resource and heartening to remember that there are many (but too few) dedicated individuals holding the threads of our tenous freedoms firmly in hand.

The pharma/medical industry is just that; an industry of death peopled by cyborgs whose only interest is profit. They are directed by shadow-creatures whose agenda is depopulation through painful and heartbreaking genocide.

When I 'were a lass' of 17, I used to work for my aunt's private nursing home which catered to the terminally-ill caner patients; i.e. those thrown on the scrap heap after the Royal Marsden has completed their 'therapy' of megaradiation and chemorape. I decided nursing was not for me; it was not the caring role I'd imagined as a little girl, it was all about dispensing pills and keeping the patients 'comfortable' i.e. not troublesome. My aunt's business was not callous; the home was clean, bright, had resident animals and good food but I used to get told off for spending too much time with people and geenerally making them laugh. I could not give them drugs; I wanted them to live and be well. Bang went my aunt's ambitions for my nursing career. Silly me.

Then at 21, I got the biggest shock of my life: there were people who from 9-5 would go into a laboratory and torture animals to death for a living, just like a normal day's work AND IT WAS LEGAL! I couldn't believe this was true and the more I researched, the more horrible it got. So I worked for the NAVS for a couple of heartbreaking years until I realised that these campaigns hadn't and wouldn't achieve one jot of difference for either animals or people.

Why? Simply because the pharmaracket owned politicians, research institutions, educational bodies, medical standards agencies, press .... and even worse, that most corportations and individuals playing the stock market were wittingly or otherwise investing in these demons.

Through my time in the animal rights movement, I was trying to understand what type of psychology would lead a normal human being to commit such insane cruelty on animals for worthless and dangerous results on their fellow-man. From that study, I learned the nature of The Beast - this sytem of dehumanisation that we aim to survive and thrive within, called normal 'life' which demands we exchange our humanity for acceptance and nullifies all sentient empathy to the degree that we can 'justify' vivisection, vaccination of children and countless wars of horror. 9-5 Monday-Friday living. My instincts told me at the off that what we were doing and allowing to be done in those torture labs was not just about the damage limitation on insurance, when Glaxo et al were brought to task on some drug maiming and killing patients, like the totally pointless LD50 tests. Today we see the fruits of such labour all around us in the bio-tech corporations, looming microchipping, mind-numbing food additives and 'non-lethal' bio-warfare devices. Yes, our furry friends foretold our fate. Yet the so-called campaigning bodies still play on the sentiments of 'animal lovers'. We are no different to animals when feeling the pain of torture. There were and are proven methods of accurate diagnosis, evaluation and treatment of illness if health were the objective.
Royal Raymond Rife was one such hero of humanity in the elimination of cancer and all disease.

The animal rights' experience also exposed me to the issues and evils of factory farming and natural methods of food production (although I do not think an advanced society would label an animal as food).

The MCA cartel et al are completely infested with pharmacrats. How bloody dare they ban vitamin B17! The story of Essiac is yet another example of how a real human being developing a real solution to the problem of cancer is so viciously treated by this mob. These viral bacteria infecting the collective body of humanity. There must be a cure for this disease.

And yet, there's enough information, there are enough natural solutions and yet .... most people refuse to take responsibility for their health and will continue to trust their doctor, take the medication and not even question - even if their very lives depended on it (and of course, it does). Worse, they will allow their children to be inflicted with poisons via vaccinations. Although many are beginning to wake up, if most don't leap out of bed pdq, we'll have enforced legislation requiring compulsory microchipping, losing our mind and will altogether.

In America, parents have been fined, imprisoned or had their children taken away to be forcefully vaccinated or given other 'treatments'.
In UK, new draconion mental health acts will ensure our compliance to total reliance on this insane system. We'll be labelled dissidents and sectioned off to the happy camps for re-education.

I use doctors tacticly as a last resort; a doctor's letter can still carry clout if it's needed. When I broke my leg, though, I was largely at their mercy and surrendered to my fate. My doctor's one of the old-fashioned type. But he has a mere 10 minutes per patient - just enough time to write a prescription. He's a drug-pusher who believes you can't believe anything you read on the internet! People in UK bemoan the state of the NHS but wasn't the formation of this organisation just a crafty way of introducing socialism i.e. dependency? It was and is an incredible profit machine for the pharmacrats and will be highly instrumental for select and destroy methods by the World Order. AZT the most toxic chemical prescribed costs just $50 to produce but sold for $500 per treatment; nice work, escpecially since it causing AIDS!

Yes, zinc, vitamin D, C, Colloidal Silver (brilliant) and Grapeseed Extract would be a simple kit ensuring health

America still retains the seeds of a great renewal; if Ron Paul can stand to abolish the IRS (he'll have to do same with Fed Res) then he and others of spirit could transorm America to perhaps realise the promised dream and make it a reality. 911 has awoken the sleeping giant.

I have less optimism for the UK; too complacent for too long, I guess.
And with the rumoured Blair and Angela Merkel (claimed to be Hitler's daughter and claims that the toad himself was photographed alive in 1997) riding the EU high, things couldn't look bleaker.

The directive for eliminating natural health remedies is old abd rekebtkessm just like the sick psyche's behind it. It used to make my blood boil but no less than when I see little babes in surgeries being betrayed by 'loving' monthers!

Sorry to go on but I'm suffering from chronic exhaustion through lack of sleep. You see, I live beneath someone on compulsory psychiatric medication for what they label 'paranoid schizophrenia' which makes for an interesting life (not much). And I'm certainly not taking sleeping tablets!

night night.




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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good getting FOUR in one interviewees on this one.

We're going to lose access to VITAMIN SUPPLEMENTS if this goes through...not to mention the perversion of an FDA run openly by Big Pharma.

Nobody I know seems to care, even though it doesn't surprise them when I tell them.

What it will mean is that we'll have to go to a doctor to get prescribed supplements. Imagine that. Not just through the roof expensive, but a doctor will determine the dosage and supply.

And of course if the PHDA (That's Pharma's Drug Administration) goes through on doing away with trials with this 'lets make money while we see what it does' approving untried new drugs to any patients (who will pay top dollar for the unknown side effects), it could be more dangerous to go to a doctor than to take one's chances.

The interview does give me some encouragement that there IS intelligent resistance to all this.

The public needs to wake up and get indignant that laws are being made by non-elected bureaucrats installed by special interests.

What can each of us do? For one, we should all know about the drugs commonly being prescribed that friends are found to be taking.. From ritalin to prozac, and the rest of them, so we may inform friends.

And always question prescriptions proposed by doctors intelligently, having researched them.

My grandmother was a registered nurse and taught me that. It's often surprising that there are some busy doctors that don't really know more about a drug they prescribe than what they've read in the Pharmacutical provider's bulletin about it! They usually prescribe what all the other doctors are prescribing....

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Ormond said:
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Nobody I know seems to care, even though it doesn't surprise them when I tell them.


it's pretty much that way around here in SW Virginia, and in NJ where my family still lives.

good post, Darth Vader... long time no see.

love of money is the root of all evil, is all i can say.

we're so overwhelmed by all these branches of mega-corps, psuedo-govt departments, NGO's, and pandered govt officials... they're slow-brewing schemes are working, cos i know most of us (including me) have little time or money but to go to Walmart, use revolving credit, go to doctors & hospitals that are run by a giant corp (who now are also in the finance business)... basically bend over.

but, yeah, we're not shocked when we get info... just keep bending over.

my outpatient bill is way too high for me to pay even in 3 installments, which is what they'll allow at most. i asked if i can pay 50 bucks a month.... nope, it's either $471 for 3 installments, or they'll be happy to open a - GET THIS - revolving credit account for me to pay this off....

WTF????????????????????

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I work for a cherry grower, and the growers have been under terrific pressure from the FDA. We are forbidden from discussing this, so I have posted some "blind" pages that I can refer people to that describe the struggle. The FDA could easily crush a small grower, and farmers are extremely vulnerable and get little support from the public, so we are being circumspect and cautious.

Why is the FDA Picking on Cherry Growers?

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The FDA has a legitimate interest in protecting the public from dangerous drugs and adulterated food. On any given day, it might decide, for example, that the danger of developing life-threatening liver failure from use of an attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder called Cyclert outweighs the benefits (as it recently did). Or it might get a mislabeled anticoagulant monitoring unit off the shelves called VeriCal Calibrator Set, as it also recently did. The mistakes and potential disasters are many - antibiotics put into the wrong capsules, asthma inhalants containing nothing but air - these and more have been intercepted by the agency.

But tart cherries? Given their potential benefits and lack of toxicity, it's reasonable to ask why the agency is spending enormous public resources threatening Michigan's cherry growers. the recent explosion of FDA-approved killer drugs suggests that the agency's overzealous approach to tart cherry products might be better directed at pharmaceutical manufacturers whose products are one of the leading causes of death in America. Adverse drug reactions cause more than 100,000 fatalities each year and send a million and a half people to the hospital annually. Those are the documented cases; the actual number of people who become sick, hospitalized, or die from drugs is unknown. Resources might be better spent requiring that drug manufacturers warn people that statin drugs deplete coenzyme Q10, which can cause deadly complications - something that the agency refused to do.

At the same time the agency sent warning letters to people selling tart cherry products, it was poised to approve another new, potentially dangerous drug called Pargluva. That approval has been suspended because concerned researchers at the Cleveland Clinic reevaluated the manufacturer's data and found that it increased the risk of dying 300%, and the Journal of American Medical Association had the fortitude to publish those findings. A committee that reports to the House of Commons in Britain recently advised that the drug industry's stranglehold on research, doctors, disease support groups, journals, regulators, and others should be curtailed. Whether Britain's version of Congress will act or not remains to be seen, but in the meantime, it's fair to ask if the FDA's attack on tart cherry products is an effort to protect the profits of the pharmaceutical industry. Or is the agency protecting the interests of certain conglomerates like Coca-Cola's "Minute Maid," which puts "unapproved health claims" boldly across its labels? Nature Made's berry products have claims on the labels, but it appears to be exempt from warnings. Its parent company, Otsuka Pharmaceuticals, is a multinational corporation with US revenue in excess of $4 billion. Its US headquarters are in Rockville, MD, 15 minutes away from the FDA.

What's going on here? Given what's at stake, the public has a right to know.


A Federal Blight for Cherry Farmers

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It would be easy to dismiss the problems of the cherry producers as one of overstepping bureaucrats picking on unsuspecting small businesses, yet it really is more troubling than that. The FDA possesses powers on a par with the Internal Revenue Service with respect to being able to shut businesses down. It operates on important levels without oversight.

Even though many of the FDA's targets are no doubt guilty of scams or pose a public health menace, some, like the cherry producers, do not. Yet the FDA retains the authority to turn on its head the U.S. legal system's guarantee of "innocent until proven guilty." The cherry producers appear to be guilty until proven innocent, with no clear path to even proving their innocence.


Response to Dr. Barrett, Quackwatch

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The unspoken assumption by some who make negative comments - that the FDA or the pharmaceutical corporations are the only authorities on this subject, as contrasted with the growers who are presumed to be hayseeds trying to turn a quick buck by questionable means, is wholly false and rests on complete ignorance of the subject. The reverse is actually true, as even the most minimal investigation would show. The research and the science is wholly on the growers' side on this issue, and no evidence has been brought forward to contradict what the growers are saying, nor that would demonstrate any danger to the public. That is because it would not be possible to prove that cherries are dangerous, nor would it be possible to negate or dismiss the body of decades of research upon which the statements of potential health benefits of tart cherries rests.


Letter to U.S. Representatives

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If, as we suspect, appointees of the Bush administration from the pharmaceutical industry are harassing small family farmers who are selling food and are truthfully publishing authoritative scientific research - much of it government sponsored and promoted - about the health benefits of eating fresh fruit, in behalf of their pharmaceutical company allies to suppress farmers selling fresh food, then this becomes an issue of fair and sensible regulation rather than one of no regulation at all.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just realized that I wrote some of this stuff, so I don't have to keep it to excepts.

Do Lemons Cure Scurvy?

In 1747 James Lind introduced citrus fruit to the British Navy as a dietary supplement to prevent scurvy. John Woodall, Surgeon General of the East Indies Company had previously identified the lack of fresh fruit as the cause of scurvy on ocean voyages. Before this, scurvy was a serious limitation on marine travel, killing large numbers if passengers and sailors on long voyages. It was not until 1932 that the connection between vitamin C and scurvy was identified, but people didn't wait for the cure to be proven in a laboratory or for a government agency to giove its approval before they started using it. Lemons worked. Lemons had also been safely consumed for hundreds of years.

What if the FDA had existed back then, and had been stacked with people from the pharmaceutical industry as it is now? By the logic the FDA is currently using in its recent threats and attacks on family fruit growers, the information that lemons could prevent scurvy would have been kept from the public.

For generations people in northern Michigan, where Montmorency tart cherries are grown by small family farmers, had sworn by tart cherry juice as a remedy for gout and arthritis. When the discovery was made by researchers at Michigan State University, Brunswick Labs, and the University of Texas that tart cherries contained very high levels of naturally occurring compounds that had anti-inflammatory properties, growers felt confident that this information could and should be given to the public. It helped sales of tart cherries somewhat, of course, but the public is bombarded daily by advertising making health claims for a variety of products so it seemed that no one could object to these growers benefiting from advertising their product by citing research that supported the folk lore about health benefits of tart cherries. Tart cherry sales have increased, not dramatically, but sales direct from the grower to the consumer grew and became an important component in grower's attempt to survive in a world where they have to compete in a global market with multi-national corporations and where the food supply is under monopolistic control of a few large corporations. As more and more people started drinking tart cherry juice, thousands of people reported that tart cherry juice had worked for them on gout, arthritis and fibromyalgia.

It seemed to be ideal situation: the public was affordably and safely getting relief from debilitating inflammation and pain for which the prescribed pharmaceutical products were ineffective, expensive and dangerous , growers with initiative who were willing to take a risk were making a fair return by marketing their produce directly to consumers and so were able to buy more land and plant more cherry trees, and the government's various tax-payer supported programs encouraging people to eat more fresh fruit were being promoted and supported.

Then cherry growers received a warning letter from the FDA saying that "claiming" health benefits for any product meant that the product was therefore a drug by their definition, and that drugs needed to be approved by the agency in order to be legal to sell. This approval process - which for some reason does not apply to the giant pharmaceutical corporations - would take as long as 10 years and cost millions of dollars. Never mind that the growers were not making "claims "- let alone false or misleading claims, which the FDA is not telling them in any case, although the FDA press releases and subsequent media reports say that the growers are making false claims in contradiction to what the FDA is telling the growers; never mind that the airwaves are awash in billions of dollars worth of advertising for all kinds of products of dubious benefit; the bureaucrats had spoken and "compliance," whatever that might be, would be enforced by seizures and arrests.

Certainly there is a proper role for the FDA to play in safeguarding the public health. Ironically, while small family farmers are being threatened, the giant pharmaceutical corporations have no problem getting their often dangerous, ineffective and expensive products fast tracked for approval and rushed to market. Critics have pointed out recently that there have been almost no warnings from the FDA to any pharmaceutical companies despite the fact that several new drugs have been proven to be dangerous and have been misrepresented to the agency and to the public. Could this possibly have anything to do with the fact that FDA management has been populated with former lawyers and lobbyists from the very pharmaceutical companies for which the FDA is supposed to be the watchdog? Could it have anything to do with the massive amounts of money that pharmaceutical giants put into the pockets of government officials? The committee in congress looking at this issue has been given over $600,000 dollars this year alone by pharmaceutical companies.

Certainly the FDA has a role in protecting the public from blatantly false and misleading claims by the nutritional supplement industry, but this must be done in such a way that the rights to due process, to the presumption of innocence, freedom of speech, freedom from prior restraint and freedom from unreasonable search and seizure are protected. All of these Constitutional protections are being threatened by the FDA's actions against fruit growers.

Tart cherry growers are not selling some over-priced miracle blended health drink. They aren't selling it under some new trade-marked name. They aren't cashing in by commanding a premium for the juice based on a health fad. In fact, most consumers order directly from the growers and pay half the price they would for watered down fruit juices from the major corporate manufacturers in the supermarket. The growers aren't adulterating their product with imported juice of questionable quality. They aren't selling a blend that consists of mostly apple juice from China dumped on the US market with just a dab of the fruit juice featured in the product name and on the label, as many of the large corporate food producers are doing. They are selling an honest and pure product at a fair price that they themselves are growing right here in northern Michigan.

That brings us back to the example of lemons and scurvy. People suffering from gout who drink tart cherry juice know that tart cherry juice works without researchers or government bureaucrats telling them that it does. While other fruit products, such as grape juice for example, contain nutrients that are associated with disease prevention, that is a different case. You could drink grape juice every day for the rest of your life, and while it certainly won't hurt you and could very well lead to better health, you will never experience the dramatic and unambiguous results that sailors enjoyed after they added lemons to their diets, or that gout sufferers enjoy from tart cherry juice.

Tart cherries have been safely consumed for hundreds of years and tart cherry juice works. Not because the growers say so, not because some marketer says so, not because researchers say so, and not because some federal agency says so.
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The Amsterdam Medical Disciplinary Tribunal has struck off one doctor and suspended two others for their exclusive use of complementary treatments—including "vegatests," homoeopathic medicine, and food supplements—to treat Sylvia Millecam, the Dutch actor and comedian who died from breast cancer in 2001 at the age of 45 [...] B, who had previously been suspended for six months for using similar complementary treatments, has been banned from practising as a doctor. The tribunal suspended K for one year and D for six months. They concluded that despite Ms Millecam's known resistance to conventional treatment a registered doctor should have made it clear that such treatment offered the only chance of recovery.
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/332/7547/929-a

That was last year. D appealed his 6 months suspension and the verdict came down today: he was, like B, banned for life from practising as a doctor!

Fortunately, the comments in Holland's best selling newspaper show a 20 to 10 victory against the verdict.
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On the drug development side von Eschenbach plans to replace clinical trials that show positive outcomes such as true improvement in the medical condition or improved life expectancy with studies based on biomarkers or surrogate endpoints.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Richards/byron35.htm

Kary Mullis has some enlightening comments on this practice in the hiv/aids field:
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The ones who are not [dead] are also taking another drug now, a protease inhibitor. Who knows what it will do? The manufacturers didn't know when they started selling it. The FD.A. didn't require them to show that it would cure AIDS and not kill the patient, any more than they required them to show that about A.Z.T. They only required that a surrogate goal be met. A surrogate goal means that something that we think may be related to the disease in question may be improved by the drug, like the level of CD-4 cells, whatever the fuck they are. It's a way to get around the notion that a drug ought to be effective in curing the disease that it is sold for before it can be sold. The surrogate-goal bullshit is an indication that our F.D.A. no longer serves our needs. Or at least it does not serve our needs unless we own stock in the pharmaceutical industry and don't give a shit about health care.
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/kmdancing.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:09 pm    Post subject: Forbidden Fruit Reply with quote

So the cherry has become the serpent's (caduceaus symbol of the medic/pharma 'gods') forbidden fruit in our global eden. I'm lucky to have an old gnarled faithful cherry tree in my garden but the birds always get there first. And so they should, they did, after all, sing the fruit into existence (it's true!).

Farmers have endured an horrendous onslaught by the Pharma's for decades; no wonder the suicide rates are so high. In 2001 UK TV's broadcast horrific newsreels of MAFF (Ministry of Agriculture Fisheries and Food- MAFFia) armed gangs rounding up herds, shooting, looting and burning farm stock. All this under the pretext of Foot & Mouth, they destroyed much of the remnants of the independent farming community. I was horrified that WE allowed this but the public had been groomed on stories of rich EU grants and defoliage with the farmers presented as greedy, country-ravaging irresponsible opportunists. All to make way for Monsanto GMO's.

In the past, planned national/regional catasrophes could be offset by farm supplies to the community. Not so with the next Big One.

One of the most effective weapons in the arsenal of assault against the public mind is th prolific use of VNR's and press equivalent. People still seem to take the 'news' seriously, so the latest 'breakthrough on cancer cures' or some fandangled exotic menace such as 'bird flue' have
enormous impact across the spectrum of the dull and gullible.

As for Doctors', there's the famous story of them going on strike for a month in Israel some years ago and the death rate plummeting! There's also the traditional way, whereby the doctor is supported and paid for his contribution to the community's wellbeing. If he fails in his responsibilities and people are ill and dying, no-one supports him. Simple.

We have been lured and cossetted into dependence and victimhood rules the global conscioussness to the benefit of our common enemies. Self-responsibility and sufficiency is the greatest threat to such and the more people who simply walk away to do their own thing on every level, the less power they have.

With the control of nature's medicine chest, the legal quality will be paltry and there will be a black market for the real thing, controlled by the same thugs in drugs, slavery and WMD. We need to start growing our own food, herbs and networks now. Although I predict that through the Environmental mafia, new laws will be enforced outlawing 'illegal' home growing, trading and consumption.

We've just got to accept the fact that everything life-sustaining will be illegal; reducing the global population from 6BN to 500M is an ambitious agenda and the primary goal. But they'll make it fun and profitable on the way to reach this target. Our job is obviously to thwart them and triumph through doing the unexpected. What a game.

Oh yeah, Hi RedMahna! I've been busy with Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion, the odd Phoenix Jourals, George Green and the latest UFOlogy.

Discovered an interesting site: www.newsforthesoul.com

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Wu Li



Joined: 20 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DUDES,

I understand this issue very well. I am so appreciative that you Fintan and yours have put this forward.
However I am to overwelmed to respond adequately.
I agree whole heartedly to say the least.
I will say this.
#1
The U.N. again as a puppet regeme being created by the Financial power elite=YES
#2
How will they accomplish complete control over a world society?
First through financial means.... Hence the individual debt issue...
Then through the control of your health
Basic items of sustaining life must become commodities to be traded.
Humans must become the ultimate commodity (Obviously, just as spoken in the Matrix.... Nothing more than means of production(Batteries))

It all falls into place when we think of a human depopulation process
Afterall I do believe they well understand that we are all vast vessels of knowledge so the ones at top at the moment must work hard to subjugate the ones of less means.
This is now an age old story come to light which may hold stark consequences psychologically for all generations to come.
It is not the insidiousness of the plans fomented but the stage of development we all may be at in our time period.
Since we all and many others are coming to a realization of dubiousness, we may be seeing our demise like no other generation has seen before.
I guess it always comes down to those who see much more than the average bear.
Wink

This site is a great resourse
Thank you,

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