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hendu
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 Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:23 am Post subject: Bono and Bob blast G8 'creeps' |
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What's going on here? Are Geldof and Bono been truly sincere or is there something deeper going on? I'm not really up to speed on these guys and their relationship to the G8.
| Quote: | LAST night the duo of ageing Irish rock stars who have cast an unlikely spell over the world's deliberations on poverty in Africa finally lost their collective cool.
Bob Geldof and Bono denounced the outcome of the G8, Geldof in typically expletive-strewn fashion. One of his few printable remarks was that G8 leaders were all "creeps" while Bono offered calm and righteous outrage.
"They say $60bn for AIDS, TB and malaria and it sounds great, but that's not earmarked for Africa, it's a global figure and there's no timeline," Bono raged.
"I am exasperated. I think it is deliberately the language of obfuscation. It is deliberately misleading."
Their anger was genuine because the Geldof-Bono roadshow is not accustomed to defeat.
Far from being tousled rockers with vacuous slogans, these two have arguably become the most successful political lobbyists in recent history.
But the G8 outcome threatens to vindicate their critics.
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jirons
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I'd say they're approaching the realization that they've been dupes.
I suspect that they would find this discovery pretty painful and will avoid fully embracing the knowledge of what their role has been.
Perhaps George and Tony/Gordon will cast a few scraps their way in the form of additional "help" for Africa.
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| Quote: | | "They say $60bn for AIDS, TB and malaria and it sounds great, but that's not earmarked for Africa, it's a global figure and there's no timeline," Bono raged. |
Geldof and Bono are just concerned that their cut will be reduced. They represent Big Pharma. AIDS, TB and malaria funds translate into pharmaceuticals and G8 gave lip service at the meeting but haven't ponied up. What they want to see is a 'done deal' from the G8 governments as in mandated billions specifically in budgets that their sponsors can take to the bank.
Who would we expect to bitch about G8's not finalizing these deals, Phizer, Lilly, and Merck?
The real situations keeping Africa in chaos are rife with perpetual US and former colonial country's corporations covert interventions, from World Bank debt scams to installing series after series of corrupt regimes.
These guys never say a word about that. Billions in 'aid' for pharmaceuticals, at best, is a bandaid for symptoms of systemic chaos in Africa. It's also a cash cow for Pharma, and 'Buy Red'.
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Thanks, Ormond, you said it right. Wonder how much of this 'medical horror' $$$ goes to that large 'private equity' fund of which Boner owns a sizeable percentage.
Also, how come Boner just gets uglier every year. I mean, now he is really BUTT-UGLY. |
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Geldof said:
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"What happened over the last two days was bollocks."
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08/06/2007 19:47 HEILIGENDAMM, Germany, June 8 (AFP)
Bono, Geldof blast 'farce' of G8 AIDS pledge
http://www.africasia.com/services/news/newsitem.php?area=africa&item=070608194756.f3z6lz89.php
Rock star activist Bono led attacks on the Group of Eight's 60-billion dollar pledge to fight killer diseases Friday, accusing world powers of using "bureau-babble" to hide their failure to help Africa.
The U2 frontman, who lobbied US President George W. Bush and other G8 leaders at their annual summit, said a package to fight AIDS, tuberculosis and malaria was full of false promises.
"Sixty billion dollars sounds like an awful lot of money but it's cumulative and I understand that they think that rock stars might not be able to add and subtract or spell or read," he told reporters.
"This labyrinthine language is a maze, it's deliberate, we're supposed to get lost in this maze."
The total funding was a global figure and not focused entirely on Africa, he said. It was not tied to a clear timeline and it included funds already pledged.
In its own analysis that of the 60 billion dollars (45 billion euros) pledged, Bono's DATA pressure group found that a maximum of 2.4 billion dollars in additional aid would go to Africa by 2010 -- and three billion dollars globally.
Fellow musician-campaigner Bob Geldof was equally damning of the statement. Friday's deal showed that the G8 had barely gone a step beyond commitments made two years ago at a summit in Gleneagles, Scotland, he said.
"What happened over the last two days was bollocks," he said.
"The richest countries in the world, trillions of dollars swirling around that table, smiling in that stupid tent chair with the candy stripes. Do me a favour: Get serious, guys. This wasn't serious, this was a farce, a total farce."
Oxfam International called the G8 pledge "a failure" that did not get the club of rich nations "anywhere near back on track to meet overall promises on aid to Africa."
Medical charity Doctors Without Borders said G8 leaders were "talking out of both sides of their mouths."
It added: "Although the G8 acknowledges that access to medicines is a challenge, they proposed no sufficient solutions."
Bono and Geldof blamed Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper for blocking a more generous deal.
"It's as if we have the place bugged because everybody tells us," Bono said of his sources at the summit's closed-doors negotiations. "And we know who's causing the trouble and who isn't. And we know that Canada blocked progress."
Geldof said insiders had told him that British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who is leaving office this month, had made an impassioned plea for more aid.
"I'm really sorry for Tony Blair. No legacy stuff -- that's academic and I personally don't think that matters to him. This was his last hurrah," he said.
"He pushed this to the point of exhaustion, so well done him, he had nothing to lose so he went out all guns blazing."
Geldof also fingered African leaders invited to join the meeting as failing to take a stand for their people.
"The other thing to remember is that the African leaders were here and as usual they did nothing, they just accept what's happened," he said.
Kumi Naidoo, chair of the Global Call to Action Against Poverty, contrasted the 16,000 police officers deployed to guard the summit with the 7,000 African Union peacekeepers sent to protect civilians in war-torn Darfur.
The urgency of the fight against AIDS had only increased in recent years, he said.
"What we are talking about in Africa is a passive genocide and a silent tsunami that is underway," he told reporters. "Every single day 6,000 are perishing from HIV/AIDS alone."
Bono said that despite the failure to win a better deal in Germany, his drive would continue.
"We musn't lose momentum. It's a marathon when it should have been a sprint," Bono said.
Geldof said their campaign would continue next year under the Japanese G8 presidency.
"How many times do we go to a new, fresh country and invent events, gather the writers and the academics and the people to concerts and symposia?" he asked.
"So we move on to some obscure village in Japan, I suppose, next year in the middle of paddyfields, and I'll see you there, dude."
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Even Christian Today quoted Geldof's outburst verbatim, as more mainstream rags omitted it, presumably on the grounds of indecency. The irony is inescapable.
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G8 Agreement on Africa Greeted with Disappointment
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/g8.agreement.on.africa.greeted.with.disappointment/11062.htm
by Helen Southam, Christian Today Contributor
Posted: Saturday, June 9, 2007, 11:17 (BST)
by Helen Southam, Christian Today Contributor
Posted: Saturday, June 9, 2007, 11:17 (BST)
The G8 leaders have agreed to spend $60bn (£30bn) on fighting aids, malaria and TB on the closing day of the summit in Heiligendamm in Germany. It is thought that half of the money will come from the US.
Experts claimed, however, that only $3bn of this money was new funding.
They committed themselves to “a strong interest in a stable, democratic and prosperous Africa”, but added that, “Good governance in Africa is vital to peace, stability, sustainable development and growth. Without good governance, all other reforms will have limited impacts.”
The Prime Minister, Tony Blair, welcomed the G8’s final communiqué. He said that the world’s leading nations had “a deal with Africa”.
“There has been immense progress made. Perhaps an indication of that is that the Japanese have said that Africa will be right at the centre of the agenda at the G8 next year, and that’s got to be good news.”
But the G8’s announcement, entitled Growth and Responsibility in Africa, was greeted with disappointment and derision by development agencies and other campaigners. The Gleneagles agreement of 2005 committed the world’s leading nations to providing free anti-retroviral treatment for all – approximately 10m people. But yesterday’s announcement appears to go back on those figures, only committing the G8 to provide treatment for 5 million HIV/AIDS sufferers.
At the end of the day, long-term campaigners Sir Bob Geldof and Bono condemned the G8 as “a farce”.
“What happened over the last two days was bollocks,” Sir Bob said.
“What bottom line are we driving down to when we reject the future of the world and the poor within it?”
Action Aid’s head of HIV/AIDS campaign criticised the “abject failure” of the G8 and described it as “devastating news for the 40m people living with HIV/AIDS.”
Tearfund’s advocacy director, Andy Atkins, said that the announcement was “tragically close to failure”.
He added, “These unfulfilled Gleneagles G8 promises will cost millions of lives. Two years after Gleneagles, the true ambivalence of the G8’s concern for Africa is becoming apparent. The early success of Gleneagles is being squandered by paltry responses on Aids, trade and aid.”
He said that the announcement on AIDS was “potentially a betrayal of the promises made at Gleneagles. Millions of people living with HIV and AIDS will suffer as a result of this piecemeal response to calls for long-term funding.”
Steve Cockburn, campaign co-ordinator of the Stop AIDS Campaign said, “If delivered, this money will save lives, yet ultimately this outrageous poverty of ambition shown by the G8 will cost more lives.”
Despite the criticism, the President of the G8, Angela Merkel, said that the summit had been “a success”.
She added, “There is no doubt that we are moving and making great efforts. The thing is to look forward.”
Africa will be the subject of debate at next year’s G8 in Japan.
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Now think about this. If Africa will be the subject of debate at next year’s G8 why not hold the summit in Africa? No need to answer, it's a rhetorical question.
And while we are on the subject, just what the fuck did Bono and Geldof expect? We can be 90% certain that they are controlled dissenters: I didn't hear or see mention of them at http://www.droppingknowledge.org/g8/
That, to me, speaks volumes.
Bollocks indeed.
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Greetings,
Why couldn't they just have been duped? Afterall wasn't John Lennon also duped in the early stages.
And Ormond, how do you know that Geldof and Bono are just concerned that their cut will be reduced and haven't just been caught in a process which they genuinely thought would benefit the people of Africa.
I don't fully understand all machinations as to how you decide that one is in knowing compliance and not just being mislead but I think until anyone can speak face to face on personal level with any of these people, we will never truly know. And even then we may still not know.
Say Fintan, why not try and make an attempt to interview Geldof and/or Bono and help them see another side. They are afterall of similiar stock, and maybe they would be please to share their views with you.
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Ozregeneration wrote:
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Say Fintan, why not try and make an attempt to interview Geldof and/or Bono and help them see another side. They are afterall of similiar stock, and maybe they would be please to share their views with you.
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What, after the way we've slagged them off? I don't think so!
Yeah, we'll get Merkel, Bush, Clinton, Putin et al on a Skype chat forum.
And let's give Bertie an earful too while we're about it.
Mission Unmöglich, as they said in Heiligendamm.
And I doubt that Fintan would be up to the job anyway: he's far too much of a gentleman. A better idea: Set Kathy and her pussy galore squad on them, that'd work.
Saucers of milk all round.
She could begin by telling the aul fashion-victimzed fucks to get some dress sense. Prada, my arse. Bet that cravat wasn't made in a Ugandan sweat shop, eh Geldof?
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atm
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G8 again prescribe wrong cure for Africa
http://www.monitor.co.ug/oped/oped06113.php
The Monitor, Uganda - 5 hours ago
11 June 1007
Moses Byaruhanga
I read in the media that the G8 concluded their meeting in Heiligendamm, last Friday Germany by pledging $60 billion to combat Aids, TB and malaria.
The G8 also renewed their commitment made two years ago to increase other aid to Africa by $50 billion a year by 2010. This was another lost opportunity by the developed countries to address the problems of Africa.
Borrowing from Jeffrey Sachs in his book The End of Poverty in the chapter, “Clinical economics” he argues that the problem of the Bretton Wood Institutions with Africa is that they make a poor diagnosis and as a result give wrong prescriptions.
The G8 continues to make a wrong diagnosis of the problems of Africa, hence prescribe the wrong medicine by increasing aid. The problem of Africa is not aid.
If aid was a solution to Africa’s problem, with the amount of aid the developed nations have pumped into Africa (Africa receives an annual aid flow of $13 billion), African countries would be developed by now.
When Europe was in an economic recess after the World War II, it was not helped by mere aid but by the Marshall Plan which was a comprehensive economic development package meant to ensure Europe’s economic stability and strategic security in the postwar era.
Before the plan was passed, the US Congress set up a bipartisan committee led by Christian Herter which made a crucial trip to Europe to study the problem and report back. George Marshall under whom the plan was named was the US Secretary for the Treasury during President Truman’s administration. What the US did through the Congressional committee above was to use Jeffrey Sachs words a clinical economic diagnosis of the economic problems of Europe at the time. This is what the G8 leaders are lacking in trying to help Africa.
With aid, unless it is targeted at promoting investment and trade, nothing will come of it.
Africa will not develop because of aid.
Instead, Africa needs value addition to its raw materials and end the inequitable relationship with the West by selling raw materials.
Africa should stop selling coffee beans but sell roasted or instant coffee, stop selling lint but instead sell finished garments, stop selling tobacco leaves but sell cigarettes, stop selling cocoa but sell chocolate, stop selling crude oil but sell oil products, etc.
For a long time the West took a protectionist approach by denying finished goods from Africa entry into their markets. A finished good from Africa would be charged a high tax compared to a raw material.
The idea was to discourage finished goods from Africa and the Third World at large.
When you add value to raw materials and sell them as finished goods, you gain two advantages. Firstly, a finished good fetches more than a raw material.
President Yoweri Museveni, in his numerous speeches, has always given the example of cotton where a kilo of lint cotton fetches one US dollar while if you turn that same lint into a garment, you earn about $10. For every one kilo of lint exported from Africa, we loose Nine US dollars.
With increased earnings from finished goods, farmers could earn more and would be guaranteed a steady market.
When farmers’ incomes increase, then they can spend on social services like education, health, sanitation and consumption, leading to industries selling more because of a high purchasing power. Secondly, value addition creates employment in the local economy.
On the other hand selling raw materials creates jobs in the countries that import our raw materials.
So, if the G8 is to do anything to help Africa, it should, among others, encourage companies in the West to invest in Africa and promote trade in finished goods between Africa and the West.
This point was well articulated by President Museveni during his address to the African Business Forum organised by the Commonwealth Business Council in London last Tuesday.
A lady from Nigeria who was seated next to me at the forum listening to Museveni make his points congratulated Uganda for having Museveni as our leader.
A member of the House of Lords told one of the Ugandan ministers that he agreed with 75% of what President Museveni said but even with the 25% which he disagreed with, he enjoyed the manner and logic in the way Museveni articulated his points to the audience.
That is Museveni for you on African matters.
The writer is Special Presidential Assistant on Political Affairs.
political@infocom.co.ug
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I don't fully understand all machinations as to how you decide that one is in knowing compliance and not just being mislead but I think until anyone can speak face to face on personal level with any of these people, we will never truly know. And even then we may still not know.
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Here is a good place to start, a picture of Bono covering his eye:
Lots of popular musical artists are doing this these days, in order to represent the so-called "one-eyed antichrist":
Lady Gaga
Marilyn Manson
Rza
The Black-eyed Peas:
the list goes on and on
Back to Bono- on why he wears sunglasses:
| Quote: | [I have] very sensitive eyes to light. If somebody takes my photograph, I will see the flash for the rest of the day. My right eye swells up. I've a blockage there, so that my eyes go red a lot. So it's part vanity, it's part privacy and part sensitivity.
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(from: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/8651280/bono)
His right eye swells up? Seems like an odd reaction to a picture.
Ibn Umar narrates from the Last Prophet regarding Dajjal (the antichrist), ‘blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(from: http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/dajjal.htm)
He was even supposedly nicknamed "the antichrist" as a child!:
| Quote: | “Described…as “a bloody exasperating child”, Bono (birth name Paul Hewson) got a reputation at an early age for being both absent-minded yet argumentative…traits which earned him the unholy and ironic nickname “the Antichrist” from both family and friends.
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(from: http://lightingtheway.blogspot.com/2007/11/bono-is-he-emergent-christian.html)
I think it is safe to say this guy has bad intentions. And Christians love him, because he claims to be one!
If you get a good hold on the symbols these fuckers use, you can get a pretty good idea who is who. They use these symbols constantly.
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Check out Vilgilant Citizen. Goes into great detail about the latter.
http://vigilantcitizen.com
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Hear me God I'm on the level
Mapping silence seeing things
Crying laughing like the devil
And before the might
Of all that's seen
I'll raise my head
And wake to dream
With a clean pair of eyes
Murdered gold and colours flashing
Time like blood like flowing hair
Faces merging airplanes crashing
And before the might
Of all that's true
I'll raise my head
And dream anew
With a clean pair of eyes
A clean pair of eyes
Don't need no one to blame
Don't need no disguise
No sugar to sweet my brain
A clean pair of eyes
Today I need no commentary
Today I do not need to speak
No explanation necessary
And before the might
Of al thats seen
I'll raise my head
And dream again
With a clean pair of eyes
A clean pair of eyes
Don't need no right or wrong
Don't need no disguise
No sugar to fix my tongue
A clean pair of eyes
Liquid air and flags that ripple
A tambourine of smoke suns
Love that blinds us fear that cripples
And before the might
Of all that's seen
I'll raise my head
And wake to dream
And before the might
Of all that's true
I'll raise my head
And dream anew
And before the might
Of all unnamed
I'll raise my head
And dream again
Dream again
Dream again
Dream again
Dream again
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Ormond wrote:
| Quote: | Billions in 'aid' for pharmaceuticals, at best, is a bandaid for symptoms of systemic chaos in Africa. It's also a cash cow for Pharma, and 'Buy Red'.
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And a third and very imporant benefit for the NWO master criminals is the genocide population reduction caused by ingesting these poisons. And I know of which I speak: my two best friends in LA were killed by ingesting "HIV/AID$" drugs over a period of a few years. |
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“A-Ok” Hand sign: Sign of the Occult Music Industry?
Dec 16th, 2009 | By Vigilant | Category: Vigilant Reports
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2969
The “a-ok” hand sign commonly signifies approbation or appreciation. Like many other signs, it has a deeper, darker meaning in occult circles. Widely unnoticed, the hand sign is flashed by many major artists of the music industry. What does it really signify? We’ll look at the occult meaning of a-ok and recent artists who have used it.
A-OK flashed by Paul Mccartney [Bono, shurely? Ed.]. The juxtaposition of the a-ok sign with Lennon’s “devil’s horn” hints to its hidden meaning.
We all know about the “devil’s horn” hand sign popularized by rock groups. Not many however realize that the “a-ok” sign, flashed as if it was a gang sign (well it is used by gangs but that’s not the topic here), has another meaning than simply “this is OK“. Due to the context of its usage, and often combined with other occult symbols, the a-ok seems to be is a sign of occult initiation in the music industry. They say a “picture is worth a thousand words” so I’ll let the pictures do the talking.
What Does the “A-Ok” Sign Mean?
Hand signs have different meanings when found in different cultures. In America and most of Europe, the a-ok is used to signify approbation, satisfaction or excellence. In other countries, it is often considered obscene or a reference to the a-hole. It however carries a deeper meaning when one looks into occult symbolism.
“Westerner’s know it as the “okay” (or “OK”) sign. It’s done with the fingers and thumb of right or left hands (usually the right). Simply touch the index finger to the thumb, creating a circle. The other three fingers then spiral off and there you have it—the well-known symbol for OK. Universally, this sign means alright, acceptable, good, right-on, you bet!, A-OK, satisfactory…
But to occultists, the OK sign takes on darker significance. First, we have the circle, indicating the sun deity and the Mason’s never-ending quest for more light. To Freemasonry, the circle also represents the female genitalia, or yoni. In the Hindu religion, the OK sign is a revered mudra (sacred gesture) meaning “infinity” or perfection. It is associated with the female genitalia — thumb and forefinger pressed together at the tips with the other three fingers extended.
In the practice of tantric yoga (sex rituals), the OK sign is a token of ecstasy, spiritual and physical. In ancient Sumeria and Persia, charms and amulets have been discovered of fingers and hands in the modern OK position, joined along with horns implying fertility. The three fingers extended outward are symbolic of ecstatic union with the Goddess, the third member of the pagan trinity.
In Satanism, when making this sign the three fingers not used to make the circle are considered symbolic of the unholy trinity — horned God, Goddess, and offspring (antichrist). Some go so far as to adopt the view that the bent three fingers are shaped as three number six’s, or 666. Thus, we have 666, the sun deity (Lucifer), the Goddess (Mystery, Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots), and the beast (antichrist, 666), all in one unitary hand sign. Oh what a web of evil wicked men can weave around something seemingly so ordinary and mundane.
In the Illuminist philosophy, the OK sign becomes a sign indicating approval of the Divine King, their coming Lord of Light, whom we as Christians know as antichrist. To them it means, “He approves our undertaking.” This meaning is roughly equivalent to the words in Latin atop the all-seeing eye of Osiris on our U.S. one dollar bill—Annuit Coeptus”
- Texe Marrs, Codex Magica
Is Texe Marrs on to something here?
A-OK flashed by Paul Mccartney. The juxtaposition of the a-ok sign with Lennon’s “devil’s horn” hints to its hidden meaning.
Whatever is the meaning behind the a-ok sign, it is certainly widely used by stars of the music industry who have been associated with occult symbolism. Placed in the context of those music videos, the signal is rarely used as a sign of approbation but it is rather flashed in the same matter as a gang sign…a sign of initiation. Here are some examples from today’s biggest stars, in alphabetical order…Could this all be a coincidence?
[Please click the link here http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2969 for the full story.]
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