So much has been said, that it seems at times nothing remains unsaid.
But the dim recesses of the net still contain countless gems, like this one:
a telling Freudian slip by V.P. Johnson(Now Pres.) in a recorded phone
conversation with J Edgar Hoover, which was spotted by listener JD.
Here's a forum discussion (from 2004) of this and related issues:
Ron Ecker - Super Member - 4,163 posts - 24 September 2004 - 04:50 PM
A webpage by Greg Burnham (link below) points out that in their 11/29/63 phone conversation, LBJ and Hoover clearly talk about a shot from the front, intended for JFK, hitting Connally because (so they assume) Connally moved. They don’t actually say “the front,” but there is no other way to interpret their words.
Hoover tells LBJ that the first and third shots hit JFK, and the second one would have hit JFK if Connally hadn’t turned and got in the way. Both men are obviously unaware that Connally was shot from behind, and of course the single bullet theory did not yet exist. Hoover tells LBJ that the third bullet was a whole bullet and rolled out of JFK’s head onto the stretcher.
This is all said after Hoover informs LBJ that the FBI had proven that one man could have fired all three shots in three seconds. So they are talking in effect about framing Oswald, knowing that there was a shooter in front, which they don't even consider worth discussing except as it relates (they assume) to Connally getting hit.
Here is the part about the shooting from the transcript at History Matters:
LBJ: How many . . . how many shots were fired?
LBJ: Any of them fired at me?
JEH: No. All three at the President . . . (snip) . . . he was hit by the first and the third . . . second hit the Governor. The third shot is a complete bullet, and that rolled out of the President’s head . . . (snip)
LBJ: Were they aiming at the President? (Note “they”)
JEH: They were aiming directly at the President. . . . (snip)
LBJ: How did it happen they hit Connally.
JEH: Connally turned . . . to the President, when the first shot was fired . . . and I think in that turning . . . it was where he got hit.
LBJ: If he hadn’t turned, he probably wouldn’t have got hit?
JEH: I think that is very likely.
LBJ: Would the President’ve got hit the second one?
JEH: No, the President wasn’t hit with the second one . . .
LBJ: I say, if Connally hadn’t been in his way?
JEH: Oh, yes . . . yes . . . the President would no doubt have been hit.
As if that’s not enough, Hoover wrote a memo later that day summarizing the conversation, and again makes clear that there can be only one interpretation of what was said. And this memo was addressed to several top FBI officials, which can only mean that they too were aware of or assumed a conspiracy with no discussion necessary.
The text of the memo is included on Burnham’s webpage, and here is the pertinent passage:
This 11/29/63 conversation is proof that LBJ and Hoover both knew of a conspiracy, whether or not they were involved in it from the beginning. They discuss in a casual manner how “they,” more than one man, shot JFK, and how one of them shot Connally because he turned after the first shot and thereby got in the way (of what would have to be a shot from the right front).
I don't understand why this has not received more attention. I don't know of any discussion of it besides Burnham's. Why, for example, was it not pointed out in Barr McClellan's book about LBJ being behind the plot, or in "The Guilty Men" video that also tried to implicate LBJ? It would have been one more point for the History Channel's panel of so-called historians to avoid discussing in their attack on the video.
LBJ and Hoover both knew, or at least thought they knew, there was a conspiracy, yet proceeded with an "investigation" and commission aimed solely at framing a possibly innocent man as a lone gunman. The 11/29/63 phone conversation damns them both in their own words.
There are good points made above about the mention of Connally
having got in the way of a bullet (another giveaway!), but let's zone in
on the context of that "they" phrase used by Johnson and Hoover:
Now Hoover later wrote up a memo for the record
of the contents of his conversation with Johnson.
Here's Hoover's own alternate version of the phrase:
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
1:39 p.m. November 29, 1963
....The President asked how many shots were fired, and I told him three.
He then asked if any were fired at him. I said no, that three shots
were fired at the President and we have them. I stated that our
ballistic experts were able to prove the shots were fired by this gun;
that the President was hit by the first and third bullets and the second
hit the Governor; that there were three shots; that one complete
bullet rolled out of the President's head; that it tore a large part of
the President's head off; that in trying to massage his heart on the
way into the hospital they loosened the bullet which fell on the
stretcher and we have that.
He then asked were they aimed at the President. I replied they were
aimed at the President, no question about that.
There's quite a difference between "they were aimed at the President".....
and the actual words both men used: "they were aiming at the President."
The written record means, "they" are the shots.
In the spoken word, "they"..... are the shooters.
Before that conversation, both men were well aware there there had been
multiple shooters. And that knowledge was unconsciously leaked into their
discussion by Johnson.
For a little cream on this Thanksgiving pie, try the first couple of minutes
of a later conversation between the two on who to appoint to head a
potential congressional inquiry into the assassination and Hoover's
whitewash official "investigation."
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:57 am Post subject: Cross Post But a Great What If?
What if Kennedy was not murdered? (and so on)
When President John F. Kennedy Was Warned About the “Snake Pit of Scientology”
On this 50th anniversary of a terrible date in this country’s history, we know that more than enough will be said about the events of November 22, 1963 and the endless arguments that it spawned.
As a nod to the date, we thought we’d reproduce an interesting letter that comes from an FBI file (and thanks to Operation Clambake for preserving it).
It was a letter written on February 7, 1963 and addressed to President John F. Kennedy from a man who also delivered a copy of the letter to the FBI office in Miami. Like so many other parents who found their families ripped apart, the man’s complaints sound very familiar…
Enclosed herewith, I respectfully submit to you:
1. Data on Scientology and Dianetics by L. Ron Hubbard, Science Fiction Writer, compiled by Oliver Field, Director of Legal and Socio-Economic Division of the American Medical Association, 525 North Dearborn St., Chicago 10, Illinois, Department of Investigation.
2. Copy of L. Ron Hubbard’s Alert Memo’ to his cell leaders throughout America and the world after our U.S. Pure Food and Drug Administration seized the tools of this quack practitioner in the evil premise of Scientology.
3. Copy of memorandum titled Scientology Seizure’ directed to me by [redacted] of the Miami Office of the U.S. Pure Food and Drug Administration under the heading: Scientology Devices Seized: Cure-All Claims Attacked.
4. A picture of [redacted] my children, who are the captives of Scientology. Their last known address was [redacted] and are as guinea pigs in this psychotic unscientific idiotology in the hands of [redacted] Scientology Auditor and their mother [redacted]
Mr. President, I respectfully address you as the recognized leader of the free world and petition you and your great office to:
Direct the Attorney General of the United States to examine the Scientology file of the Federal Bureau of Investigation which I initiated approximately three years ago, in a report to [redacted] Former Director of the Miami Division, and take appropriate action: Examine, affirm or deny this criminal investigator’s contention supported by fact that:
1. Scientology, like an evil genius who tries to play God, is a fraud and:
2. Furthermore, that L. Ron Hubbard has tried to hide the evil philosophy of Dianetics and Scientology under the protection of the First Amendment of the Constitution as a religious institution in order to:
A. Avoid Payment of many millions of dollars of Federal Income Tax.
B. Fraudulently practice medicine without a license.
C. Use the United States mails to distribute the fraudulent scheme.
D. Place before the public of the United States and other countries of the world, his sinister pronouncements more sinister than Karl Marx and Lenin in Communism and more dangerous to the morals and minds of man than the most lewd, lascivious and evil pornography ever composed by a sick mind.
Mr. President, I as you, took the oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America when I joined the Pennsylvania National Guard, in Williamsport, Pennsylvania, the U.S. Marine Corps, the Coast Guard Reserve, the U.S. Army, the Coast Artillery and the U.S. Air Force, where I terminated my service as a Provost Sergeant with Criminal Investigative Duty.
This duty, Sir, along with a proper religious childhood prepared me as a private citizen to recognize a threat to our great country and our free way of life when the psychotic, evil and debilatising philosophy of L. Ron Hubbard destroyed my family. My wonderful children, Mr. President now languish in Hubbard’s snake pit of Scientology without direction in religion, manners and the morals of mankind.
The idiot-lunatic fringe of Scientology is a danger to man-kind as was Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and now Castro in Cuba. A knowledge of Scientology by this writer, made Khruschchev come through loud and clear as he pounded his shoe on a table at the United Nations.
I, in conclusion, respectfully petition you and you honorable high office, one father to another, to aid in the protection of the religious and moral standards of our great country and of our children, I am sir,
(Please read Tony Ortega's blog, best on the interwebs!) _________________ "Look up here, I'm in heaven. I've got scars that can't be seen. I've got drama, can't be stolen. Everybody knows me now." - David Bowie
"There is a theory that Kennedy's assassination was arranged by the
United States intelligence services. So if this theory is correct, and that
can't be ruled out, then what could be easier in this day and age than
using all the technical means at the disposal of the intelligence services
and using those means to organize some attacks, and then pointing the
finger at Russia."
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:13 pm Post subject: 6 seconds in Dallas
J. Edgar had the dirt and set the example. The CIA and Naval Intelligence ran the "executive action" (after practicing in Latin America) that provided a filmed demonstration of why a new President should just look the other way regarding their execution of the oligarch's (oil/banks/MIC etc.) requirements. The Castro assassination fiascos were various feints to practice the trade of covert operations.
The anti-castro Cubans (Morales/Alpha 66), Giancana/Traficante/Marcello mob (Corsican mafia shooters), CIA (Nicoletti et al) Naval Intelligence (Oswald) and Texas oil/right wing Walker/ indictable LBJ (Wallace) were present with LHO a puppet and patsy to absorb the other four's guilt. They were to shoot him at the Texas theatre rear exit (where the JBS cops were waiting for him to run) where the anti-Castro Cubans had told him to meet his "exit" strategy. LHO was told to shoot JFK "head-on" as he approached the TSBD on Houston St. He bailed and Ruby was the "fixer" that ensured his silence. _________________ The grand design, reflected in the face of Chaos.
Wait, so after 54 years they are STILL not
releasing ALL files involving the JFK investigation?
Let me translate this...it means that a person(s) is still alive today, that
has information related to the death and/or cover-up of John F. Kennedy,
who was killed on November 22, 1963. JFK declassified files 2017.
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They only function when open.
I never got the Cuban thing, always sounded like disinfo to me.
It really all points to the same master criminals: The owners of the NY Federal Reserve Bank and the MIC.
How interesting that only 'trusted sources' like CIApedia, BBC and CNN, etc come up on google regarding JFK and his order to the Treasury to issue silver backed money not borrowed from the bankers/ He issued the order in June 1963 and they murdered him 5 months later in public as a warning to all future presidents.
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:09 pm Post subject:
Wow guys this is some fantastic discussion and Fintan I can’t tell you how floored I was by Putin’s statement regarding the US blaming of Russia for the hit. I feel as though I’ve learned so much in the past 10 years about this case and I’m sure that many of us here can certainly assist in cracking this case.
In fact an area of focus for me these days is Mexico City. There, we have absolute proof that Oswald was impersonated in or in a telephone call. The great aspect of this fact is simple: it doesn’t matter if LHO was US intel or not. I suspect Oswald was certainly an asset but that was irrelevant when it came to the conspirators impersonating him on the phone. As researcher Bill Simpich has said, we can’t even begin to understand Dealey Plaza until we crack Mexico City. Of course, as we learned with 9/11 here, not all persons involved in Government are necessarily evil or corrupt and so here we have CIA personnel who were essentially trying to possibly figure out who knew of their deeply sensitive wiretapping ops. in Mexico City. The conspirators absolutely knew and a few key players (Harvey, Morales) were Kings...legends in Counterintelligence, which necessarily involves wiretap operations. The key focus here is JM/WAVE station in Miami also had offices in...you guessed it, Mexico City. Harvey was a wiretap czar and served as Counterintelligence a chief before Angelton. Morales was a consultant to the Joint Chiefs and served as Counterintelligence Chief in his own right with his AMOT group among others. The man was an absolute legend in terms of his prowess.
Then most solid theory I’ve read so far involves a mole hint that was initiated as a result of a breach in sensitive wiretap operations in Mexico City. The conspirators knew that this wiretap mole hint would be initiated as a result of their faking Oswald on the phone and so this could also ensure that the CIA itself would be, in a sense, blackmailed. There are some in CIA at that time who are absolutely suspects: Bill Harvey, David Morales, Rip Robertson, Ted Shackley, Dick Helms, David Phillips, James Angelton to name just a few.
When I get a moment I’d like post an article with video to flesh out what I’m rolling with here. As for Bush, we simply don’t have as much info as I’d like but he was certainly involved with key CIA personnel, most likely was CIA himself and definitely involved in Cuban Ops. Hell, I’d love to know what documents have his name on them today that are being withheld....
I hate to simplify this sophisticated conspiracy but there were certainly significant elements involved and I’m not sure if any of you have heard but again, Russians have interesting insight into what happened to JFK because Gorbachev had a fascinating story as to what he himself knew or believed: that the US Joint Chiefs conspired to murder JFK and this is huge when you consider the “trickling” down the chain of command (CIA, Secret Service, Military, Mob, Mercenaries, etc). Gorbachevs claim can be somewhat corroborated by a Canadian General as well.
Mike the Cubans were a perfect group to use to carry out the dirty work. These were virulent anti Castro operatives trained by the US and who had their anger directed or guided towards JFK especially when they learned that they would NEVER be going back to their homeland because JFK was in rapproachment with Castro. There is testimony of one Felipe Vidal Santiago who was used in that capacity (getting the anti Castro Cubans riled up) and I believe he was present in Dealey Plaza as seen on a couple films. In any event great discussion as always from you guys and looking forward to what we ourselves can dig up here.
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