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Fintan
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| Quote: | Hugh Manatee: Is it standard operating procedure for Fintan to post only audio clips?
....Maybe that means I wish Fintan was writing instead of talking.
Uh, someone hire a typist. |
I just checked for posts be me in the forum Search function.
It seems I have 1,155 posts.
Then I checked Google for articles by Fintan Dunne
I found 3,420.
Probably some duplicates in there, but that should keep ya going.
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| Fintan wrote: | | Quote: | Hugh Manatee: Is it standard operating procedure for Fintan to post only audio clips?
....Maybe that means I wish Fintan was writing instead of talking.
Uh, someone hire a typist. |
I just checked for posts be me in the forum Search function.
It seems I have 1,155 posts.
Then I checked Google for articles by Fintan Dunne
I found 3,420.
Probably some duplicates in there, but that should keep ya going.
Let me know when you're done. I'll write some more. |
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Much appreciated.
Hey, I'm new here and this is one of several stops on my route.
And, unlike some other males, I can ask for directions and even offer up some history in the asking...your welcome. 
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No prob.
The homepage has the most vital articles.
More in the Top Stories section.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:58 am Post subject: Re: Oh, "jews dunnit." |
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Nothing personal, bottomline, but Piper has a bug up his ass about Jews and is published by the same ilk.
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Truth is very personal, Hugh .
Piper's speculations are quite reasonable to me, certainly much more so than the magic-bullet story.
Why leave any stone unturned , even if it's a sacred Jewish rock ?
At any rate, it seems that the truth about JFK has been known long ago, just inconveniently locked away :
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STONE'S "JFK" SPARKS DEBATE, FUELS MOVEMENT TO OPEN ARCHIVES
By William E. Kelly
There have been few major motion pictures to create as much
controversy before their release than Oliver Stone's new movie,
"JFK."
Like Stone's other films, "JFK" is entertainment, not
documentary or history. It's conspiratorial tone, however, has
irked a few lawyers and journalists, whose reputations were made and
are still threatened by this case.
The film is significant for calling attention to the
assassination of JFK, a black hole in American history, and for
using the medium to reach and influence a new generation who weren't
even born in November, 1963.
While the debate rages over whether President Kennedy was killed
by one man alone or by a sinister conspiracy, much of the truth lies
locked away in the National Archives in Washington D.C.
Stone's movie may inspire some people to call for an official
investigation. That however, has already been done, and done over,
by the Dallas Police, the FBI, the USMC, the Warren Commission, the
New Orleans District Attorney's office, the Schweiker-Hart
subcommittee of the Senate's Church Intelligence Committee and the
House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA).
It was this last Congressional committee which compiled many
important documents and took the testimony of many witnesses from
1977-1979. The HSCA issued a series of publications, its final
report concluding, "there is evidence of conspiracy." The committee
then dissolved, leaving its most significant evidence locked in the
National Archives.
Because these documents are classified as "congressional
documents" they are subject to House Rule #36 which stipulates that
they cannot be released to the public for 50 years. They are
scheduled to be released in the year 2029.
Nor can these documents be obtained by researchers through a
Freedom of Information Act suit since Congress absolved itself from
compliance when it approved the Freedom of Information and Privacy
Act, over-ridding a veto attempt by President Gerald Ford, who had
served on the Warren Commission.
Now it will take an act of Congress to release the files and the
public support for such an act is increasing.
Former chief counsel of the HSCA G. Robert Blakey said, "I'll
rest on the judgment of historians in 2029." .....
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So there you go, just have to wait until 2029
History , past - present - and future, is written by the winners ...
... taught , and force fed down the throats of losers !
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:22 am Post subject: Re: Oh, "jews dunnit." |
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| bottomline wrote: | | Piper's speculations are quite reasonable to me, certainly much more so than the magic-bullet story. |
More than that, Piper's model of the events makes more sense than the people who overlook that an invasion of Cuba was in the works and cancelled by LBJ following the assassination. People often overlook the fact that the alleged Northwoods document was made up by Lyman Lemnitzer and Paul Nitze, both advocates of the "support Israel as strategic asset" view. If the Northwoods document is viewed as evidence of mad anti-Castroism then the final result of the Dallas assassination makes no sense, since LBJ cancelled the assassination attempts on Castro which JFK had kept running. But the Northwoods document makes perfect sense if viewed as a cover for the real motive of the assassination which ended Kennedy's attempts to curb Dimona and allowed LBJ to establish the special relationship after 1967. |
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Here's another interesting story that offers a few more missing pieces in the JFK puzzle:
http://members.aol.com/doewatch/jfk.html
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A majority of US citizens believe they have been deceived of the real information on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963. A majority of the people around the world believes there was a conspiracy in the assassination of JFK and they are correct in their intuitive sense of a cover up. The story is involved, but is ultimately one of deceit and treachery from the highest levels of US Government, its money brokers, and the corrupted US national security system. This monopolistic collaboration has sold out the citizens of America. It is a story of treason against the American people and gross violations of the US Constitutional values of citizen freedom.
The shooting of JFK in Dallas, Texas startled everyone in America and changed America's innocence. People stopped in their tracks for days over the news of the shooting. Popular TV programs like "The Andy Griffith Show" stopped filming for days and Andy Griffith remarked that "The Damn Southerners Killed Him." Andy was partially right and the Hollywood program's "all white" utopia was part of the rest of the problem. Even OLE Barney's address at Mrs. Mendelbright's rooming house happened to match the TSBD address of 411 Elm Street, and most of America, typical of the Barney character, became the willing dupes of a massive plan to steal everyone's Freedom using financial control and domination.
People have often asked me about how Oak Ridge was involved in the assassination planning on JFK. I learned of the connection to Oak Ridge on the day it happened back in 1963. So, here on this web page is the full story made very clear. The missing piece of the big conspiracy puzzle are revealed here for all to see the 60s era connections between the CIA, DOJ, Castro, Cancer, Zionism, Communism, Monarchy, Civil Rights, and Oak Ridge. This is the true story of what many call the "crooks" of the Oak Ridge national security system.
Oak Ridge was one of the centers of the Manhattan Project and produced the enriched uranium for the "Little Boy" atomic bomb and was the nuclear reactor design center for the Hanford Plant that made the plutonium for the "Fat Man" atomic bomb. Historically, Oak Ridge is three large Govt. plants, X-10 / Y-12 / K-25, built near Oak Ridge, Tennessee. Oak Ridge began life as the Clinton Engineering Works and Clinton Laboratory. Oak Ridge is similar to the "Windscale" and "Sellafield" nuclear plants in the UK, or like the "Dimonia" site in Israel. Oak Ridge is one of the most connected national security zones in the US.
The crime of the century on JFK and an even greater one over America's Freedom are split wide open in the text below, with supporting photos near the end. Some books speak to the conspiracy on JFK's death, but this monologue will take you into the key elements and the missing links of the nuclear national security supported plan to keep jobs in Oak Ridge. Lots of the JFK assassination trail is about following the money system of the Rothschilds and Rockefellers and the Prescott Bush implementation of the "military / industrial / congressional network." The ultimate antithesis is one of "Good Vs Money" and the ultimate catharsis for solving the hit on JFK is "Follow the Money" and those who use and abuse the term "God" to get money.
In 1960, Outgoing President David Eisenhower warned John F. Kennedy of the Mil / Ind Network's excessive power and JFK was going after that corrupted monopolistic system of power to preserve the American People's Freedom, not the rising corporate and predatory banking power. Via JFK's father, Joe Kennedy's insights on a monopolistic system that FDR called "The Royals," JFK had all the Mil / Ind Network beast's tentacles spotted and he was going to fix the problems. In the end, the person that swore JFK in as president, Earl Warren, would be one in the same as the person who became the Judas to cover up the real motives for his assassination. The ultimate black mail was that if the truth came out on JFK and RFK still plotting to take over Cuba by killing Castro by covert means, there would a large scale escalation of tensions with Russia and likely a war over the US's false promises on Cuba.
Books like "Final Judgement" by Michael Collins Piper [ISBN: 0-935036-49-0] published in 1994 or "Opium Lords" by Salvador Astucia [See: http://www.jfkmontreal.com/toc.htm] will get one the closest insight to the level of the conspiracy and the varied interests, but only here can one see the key elements in the JFK conspiracy. The perspective from Oak Ridge offers the clearest views for the associations that what would ferment into the murder of JFK.
Books like "Case Closed" by Jewish surnamed Gerald Posner, published in 1994, bring in the corrupted Warren Report cover up stories and what is supported by the ADL. The ADL is associated with spying on Americans for Israel's interests and formed from the Mafia's Meyer Lansky connections. This book was likely written to oppose Piper's insightful book and continue the cover up of the Zionist Israel factor in JFK's murder, and the "Never Again" Theme. The Warren Commission Report is a politically fabricated work that avoids the real forensics evidence and photographs to support a pre-determined outcome, and so is most all of Posner's scurrilous works.
Other books like "The Love Story Of Madeleine Brown And President Lyndon Baines Johnson" get into LBJ's mistress and her witnessing of the JFK assassination hate build up from Dallas. Madeleine Duncan Brown attended a very exclusive party in Dallas on Nov. 21, 1963 hosted by Clint Murchinson, owner of the Dallas Cowboys and an oil-rich millionaire. Murchinson, the richest man in America at the time, liked predatory banking's excessive usury methods to gain more money and the Oil Depletion Allowance. Attending this party were the FBI's J. Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolson, oilmen and industrialists H.L. Hunt, George Brown, and R.L. Thornton. Also CIA Director Allen Dulles, brother of John Foster, the former Secretary of State for the Eisenhower administration and John J. McCloy, chairman of the Chase Manhattan Bank, LBJ, and Jack Ruby.
Another good book is "Mary, Ferrie, and The Monkey Virus," by Ed Haslam. This one gets directly into the special project to make a mutated form of the SV-40 carcinogenic monkey virus to be used in killing Castro via lung cancer. This effort was part of a JFK and RFK effort to kill Castro and make it appear a natural event, so as not to aggravate the Soviets. RFK ran this so called "Project Freedom" from his DOJ office for JFK after all the CIA plots turned into disasters. Oak Ridge trained cancer specialists at its ORINS training meetings in the 1960s, and these persons organized and funded via Alton Ochsner were using David Ferrie, Lee Harvey Oswald, and Judyth Baker to make batches of this cancer virus and its mutations from cancer tumors grown in mice.
In these times, these ultra rich people of Dallas were so powerful as to control Washington, DC, much as we see how the money power of Israel's friendly Rothschilds linked banking associations controls DC today. In these times, capitalism was defined as the CIA joining ranks with the big Federal Reserve Banks to monopolize, racketeer, and control world energy. There was little difference between a Jewish Banker and the Jewish Mafia in these times, as both used like percentage methods and rackets for gain. It is this Dallas power nexus that continues into this day and time that helps to empower Israel to do these same methods. The Jewish Rothschilds banking empire was behind the "Balfore Letter," which came to establish Israel and place a blockade against Islam's ban on predatory banking's usury practices expanding into Europe.
The power of wealth concentrated into small elements of the population can challenge the power of the White House, and this is a real problem since the 60s. Today, these elements of the Presscott Bush military / industrial / congressional network's alliances of these factions control the White House via the Bush Dynasty. The money ideals of the Bush Dynasty and the Kennedy Dynasty would come to lethally collide in 1963, as JFK tried to keep America's Freedom by the use of FDR's "New Deal" methods that blended capitalist and socialistic programs to limit the economic power of the private sectors.
Soviet leader Khrushchev warned that the "US Would Fall From Within" due to the simple observation that this predatory banking usury and corporate system would concentrate wealth into the very few ultra rich, which would gradually form an Czarist like oligarchy of power that would crush the American Democratic Republic. It is this monarchy like system that the Communist system opposed, as it always pushed wealth upward into the hands of very few.
The Communists also opposed the religions under which these systems of economic controls often concealed themselves. They did not want to return to the methods of the Czars. Capitalism has an evil side connected with the usury methods of banking, which over time always destroys Democracy or Democratic Republics like the US, via consolidation of wealth into the control of the very few. Communist systems sought to break up these oligarchic systems and spread the wealth downward, and Democracies have to do the same in order to survive.
Communism or Bolshevism was and is anti-monarchy or anti-capitalist. Hits against Communism basically pay homage to Royalist usury and those wed to this same system, the Jewish Royals. There are seven basic themes behind the death of JFK and the Coup against the American system: 1. The Old Jewish Pharisee's religion systems adherence to usury, wealth, and control., 2. This system via the Jewish Rothschilds taking control of UK / Europe's banking and seeking to take control over the US in the same fashion., 3. The Joe Kennedy "New Deal" FDR relationship with banking and the stock markets that yielded Joe Kennedy's insights on preventing stock market failures from the Royal's ruthless corporation money games., 4. Joe Kennedy being a Catholic and this religion not being accepting of the Jewish dislike of Jesus, thus branding the Kennedy Dynasty anti-Semitic, anti-Royal, anti-Zionist, and even Communistic., 5. The Joe Kennedy's children, JFK / RFK, involvement in the communism political issues of the McCarthy era and the Kennedy Dynasty's New Deal directions against old Royal Monarchy methods to control countries via control of wealth and the currency., 6. The John Kennedy Presidency figuring out the Zionist friendly Mil / Ind Networks games to take economic control of the US via currency monopoly, usury, corporate dominance, and JFK's actions to limit that control via FDR's "New Deal" methods resulting in that system killing JFK in a Coup., 7. Oak Ridge was in a special place to understand these six factors and play them using Zionist persons like Louis Bloomfield, Jack Ruby, and LBJ into the assassination of JFK.
The above were the basic historical factors and motives behind the 1963 murder of JFK in Dallas. The monologue below will elaborate on these historical factors in greater detail to support how all these factors came to a head on Dec. 22, 1963 in Dallas, Texas. Oak Ridge and the Zionists involved were able to cover up the JFK murder by using the basic fear that Russia would have declared war on the US. The Conspirators were able to black mail the US because if Russia found out the full details of what JFK and Oak Ridge were doing to remove Fidel Castro from power in Cuba and return control to the capitalist interests, there would be a World War. Thus, the cover up, in pure CIA setup style, was to brand Lee Oswald as the lone assassin, which could potentially be escalated or leveraged into a case that Russia was involved in the murder of JFK.
Oak Ridge used this black mail to enrich themselves with more jobs for building more and more nuclear weapons. It turned into a "make-work" project for Oak Ridge and the Manhattan Project. Zionists LBJ, Louis Bloomfield and Jack Ruby were all in on the cover up, as well as, J. Edgar Hoover / Clyde Tolsen, Earl Warren and hundreds of others in DC and Oak Ridge. The basic truth on the murder of JFK has long been known in the upper levels of the Jewish dominated Oak Ridge Manhattan Project's national security system and from the viewpoint of Oak Ridge the factors are the most obvious.
The inside story on JFK's murder is well known in Oak Ridge national security circles, but is not well known by the public due to excessive government secrecy, and government deceit and treachery against the people of the US. This excessive and illegal secrecy forms a knowledge base that is intentionally kept alien or foreign to most of the US citizens. Other important information sequestered from the public's knowledge is the use of humans in lethal atomic weapons testing, specialized nuclear powered aircraft that have no propellers or jet turbines, large scale drug running CIA operations to support weapons for capitalist state efforts, and this information is "nicknamed" the "alien knowledge." This corrupted secrecy props up the US Federal Reserve and the excessive games of capitalism usurping the Freedoms of the US citizens. Wealth sequestered via tax free corporations plays a large role in the ability of this monarchy like monopoly system to sequester large volumes of wealth from taxation, and via this system take control over the Congress and the Judicial system of the US. Many have come to call this ruthless system "The Beast" or the "666" symbolically.
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I'm just cross-linking Gary's thread on further Bush issues:
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A new twist in the JFK story.
Ich bin ein Vancouverite: The quest for JFK's rumoured heir comes to Canada
MARSHA LEDERMAN
February 8, 2008
VANCOUVER -- The Vancouver news media was in a tizzy yesterday, searching for a tall man in his late 40s named Jack, after reports surfaced that U.S. President John F. Kennedy had fathered a child who was living in Vancouver.
The New York Post reported that Vanity Fair magazine had been pursuing the story for more than a year, but had dropped it recently after contact with Senator Ted Kennedy, JFK's brother.
The Post said Vanity Fair had tracked down a tall man in his late 40s named Jack who bears a striking resemblance to JFK - and lives in Vancouver. The Post said the man's mother, who had been introduced to JFK by then-vice-president Lyndon Johnson, slammed the door when the magazine appeared at her home. Calls to Vanity Fair and the senator's office were not returned yesterday.
Although details were scarce and confirmation impossible, the possibility of Vancouver having its own claim to Camelot, a week before Valentine's Day, proved too tantalizing for local news media to resist.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080208.KENNEDY08/TPStory/National
JFK's 'love child' alleged to be living in Vancouver
Denise Ryan, Vancouver Sun
Published: Friday, February 08, 2008
Paging Oliver Stone: The love child of president John F. Kennedy is living in B.C. -- although he's not quite ready for his close-up.
The New York Post's well-read Page Six gossip column ran an item Thursday claiming that a "tall, handsome" 40-something man, reputed to be the illegitimate son of John F. Kennedy, is alive and well and living in Vancouver.
Columnist Richard Johnson claims that Vanity Fair was about to publish a story on the love-child of JFK and an unidentified Texas woman. The Vanity Fair story, written by David Friend, was allegedly spiked after a "courtesy call" to Senator Ted Kennedy, the late president's brother.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.html?id=383ad45a-72c5-401d-81ea-1a80111f260b&k=33944
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| MichaelC wrote: | Why did Jack Ruby shoot Oswald? I mean, what was in it for him - going to prison?! Did he really die in prison?
What did he tell Dorothy Kilgallen?[/b] |
I can tell you that the general sense at the time was that Oswald knew something and was going to squawk. I believe that was and is the reason Oswald was taken out.
I can't answer the question what was in it for Ruby. Maybe he owed money and it was a way for him to satisfy a debt. Ruby had mob connections and we know the CIA regularly collaborates with the mob.
Kilgallen? I don't know. Maybe a google will pull something up.
I have thought about the JFK assassination since 1963 and believe now there's credible evidence the CIA pulled it off. |
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| Sirius wrote: | | I can't answer the question what was in it for Ruby. Maybe he owed money and it was a way for him to satisfy a debt. Ruby had mob connections and we know the CIA regularly collaborates with the mob. |
Ruby was an employee of Richard Nixon when he was in Congress, do the math. Not a big stretch as to who gave him his orders. R. Milhouse is another guy, like Poppy, who "can't remember" where he was on November 22nd, 1963. I believe that makes two of them in the whole US.
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And, at the end of this video...
Ruby: "If Adlai Stevenson had been Vice President, there never would have been an assassination of President Kennedy."
Reporter: "Can you explain that?
Ruby: "The answer is the man who is in office now."
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Skipping through channels tonight, and General Electric's Public Service Anti-Conspiracy History Channel is doing another "impressionist" feature on Lee Harvey Oswald, and precisely when he "turned into a Communist."  (This is the same channel that, in the 1980's, broadcast the above Ruby video. The times, they are a-bitch.)
His brother, of all people, was just interviewed, and he says this: "He just wanted to be different. He called himself a Marxist, but.... if the whole country had been Marxists, he'd have wanted to be an American."
I didn't get it right away, because I'd forgotten that American is the direct political opposite of Marxist.
I'm curious what % of the country watches this and buys it. I would assume the idea is to slowly bring the younger kids on-board, play upon their natural anti-social tendencies - to get them to be contrary to the 'accepted flow' - and make this country just slowly forget how sloppily this op was carried out.
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| Jack Ruby belonged to the Anti-Defmation League. That tells you his colors. |
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Skipping through channels tonight, and General Electric's Public Service Anti-Conspiracy History Channel is doing another "impressionist" feature on Lee Harvey Oswald, and precisely when he "turned into a Communist." (This is the same channel that, in the 1980's, broadcast the above Ruby video. The times, they are a-bitch.)
His brother, of all people, was just interviewed, and he says this: "He just wanted to be different. He called himself a Marxist, but.... if the whole country had been Marxists, he'd have wanted to be an American."
I didn't get it right away, because I'd forgotten that American is the direct political opposite of Marxist.
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I know it's said that Oswald was communist/Marxist but I don't believe that whatsoever. I believe he was CIA all the way and believe he was sent to infiltrate communist and anti-communist organizations for intelligence purposes. Further I believe he was CIA when he went to Russia.
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I know it's said that Oswald was communist/Marxist but I don't believe that whatsoever. I believe he was CIA all the way and believe he was sent to infiltrate communist and anti-communist organizations for intelligence purposes. Further I believe he was CIA when he went to Russia. |
Absolutely. And what a wonderful stroke of luck for the JFK plotters that there "just happened" to have been video footage of Oswald handing out Communist leaflets, and appearing on local TV espousing his Marxist tendencies.
The very second those events were set up, the JFK assassination was a done deal, and Lee Harvey Oswald was a dead man.
Another issue that's rarely brought up is the "false alarm" assassintation warning that came as JFK was in Houston, directly preceding Dallas. Jack Valenti, traveling with the President, says that once the Houston event came and went without incident, the troupe relaxed, and Valenti claims that was one big reason the Dallas trip was an open canopy car, and lots more slow driving than should have been allowed. The guard was "let down a bit."
And we now know that the "false alarm" assassination warning came from none other than George HW Bush. If you wait long enough, there isn't a puzzle piece that doesn't fit.
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| We here in the assassination less? Dallas trip to whether or not I would like to in Houston should be a reason for George W. Bush, perhaps this is a good choice, because the new election has already begun. |
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