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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:32 am    Post subject: Any thoughts on this film? Reply with quote

Hi everybody! I am fairly new to this forum...come to think about it I'm brand new... Very Happy I must say there is a lot of great information here, and I'm looking forward to reading reasonable peoples views on these aspects of the geopolitical and cultural matrix we all are struggeling to make sense of and "break free from".

I also hope to take part in some fruitful discussions in the future. I haven't had time to read through all the threads here, and I don't know every published or conceived idea or notion (or proof) regarding 'nine eleven' (rather use that, than '911'...yes, there's a reason...Wink), but I'm learning new things every day.

My background is within information analysis, psychology and visual communication, and I hope to be able to contribute at least some things of value in the future present.. Idea

About 'nine eleven'... what are your views on this film? http://wkjo.com/

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DeepLogos wrote:
Hi everybody! I am fairly new to this forum...come to think about it I'm brand new... I must say there is a lot of great information here, and I'm looking forward to reading reasonable peoples views on these aspects of the geopolitical and cultural matrix we all are struggeling to make sense of and "break free from".


Welcome DeepLogos!
Always good to have another pair of eyes looking for a way out.

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(rather use that, than '911'...yes, there's a reason...),

Curious. Dodging Eschelon, or are your number keys just sticky?Wink

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About 'nine eleven'... what are your views on this film? http://wkjo.com/


Splash page looks cool, but I'll have to get back to you - looking at a three hour download...

Can you give me your brief synopsis/ review? Don't spoil the end by telling me 'whodunnit', though. Wink

How'd you find out about this flick?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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DeepLogos wrote:
Hi everybody! I am fairly new to this forum...come to think about it I'm brand new... I must say there is a lot of great information here, and I'm looking forward to reading reasonable peoples views on these aspects of the geopolitical and cultural matrix we all are struggeling to make sense of and "break free from".


Welcome DeepLogos!
Always good to have another pair of eyes looking for a way out.

Thanks!

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(rather use that, than '911'...yes, there's a reason...),

Curious. Dodging Eschelon, or are your number keys just sticky?Wink

I could say partly because of Echelon (no, not really), but the truth is that '911' is so laden with emotion and content, it either puts people off, makes them angry and agitated or leaves them in puddle of tears. Those are powerful numbers now, and if one is to look rationally at the tragedy, emotion best be left home. Basic psychology, I know, but anyway...Then again, people may not know what I'm thinking of...I have been known to write '911' as well on my sticky number keysWink

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About 'nine eleven'... what are your views on this film? http://wkjo.com/


Splash page looks cool, but I'll have to get back to you - looking at a three hour download...

Can you give me your brief synopsis/ review? Don't spoil the end by telling me 'whodunnit', though. Wink

How'd you find out about this flick?
I thought it was good independent film, a new way of discussing how we relate to a tragedy like nine eleven without going nuts, the various questions asked from all the different viewpoints via the same man (in his head) The movie deals visually with this aspect in a masterful way. I cannot vouch for all the information, but I thought it was a good movie... Much different than the usual technical, NWO, psyop redistributed propaganda out there now. But that's my view...
I was browsing a Swedish site distributing the usual films, and I came accross this one there...www.vaken.se (partly in english)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have excellent taste in conspiracy films. There’s a lot here to take, absorb, and check out. A lot of this I’ve never heard before. Never have heard it all connected. Heavy Duty……going to take weeks of my own research and making notes to be able to talk much about it.

I did start by checking out some of the things in the film to be sure it’s not a work of fiction…..

The story of John O’Niel in the film checks out. (at first I thought they were making it up!)

911 Memorial List: John O’Neil

Kroll Security exists, details in the film concerning names and WTC contract checks out.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my review and rating. I'm about to watch it again.

Intense, bare bones Indie Film detailing the MIHOP threads covering years and events leading up to, and rolling on since 911.

Not a treatment of 911 as 'one day'. Says nothing about whether planes or holograms were used--but you really won't care.

Story begins with question of the death at the WTC of one John O'Neil, who had just become head of WTC Security on Sept 10, 2001.
O'Neil, former FBI, was also reputedly the world's number one expert on Osama Bin Laudin at that time.
Story develops dot by dot backward in time to Iran Contra...and forward in time to the present.

Rating. Conspiracy Investigator's Equivalent of Hardcore Pornography.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will watch it myself again, and take notes....it was a lot of info to digest. Maybe you have seen it again by the time I have written this, but didn't the film elude to the fact that the body that they claim belonged to John O'Neil after the autopsy really proved to be another person? But John O'Neil is dead, and his tie to security at WTC, his FBI career, his Osama bin Laden investigations and the fact that his contract started that very day, proves that he did know something vital and that he most likely died because of it. He of course never did get to become a "pop" informant on radio shows, and as far as I know, no one who survived has mentioned having seen him in the tower that day. It makes me wonder if this doesn't go deeper than what it appears to show... I really don't like to speculate too much without more info, only as a precursor to sparking new novel questions of my own. But a few comes to mind...

1) Is this whole John O'Neil affair a little bit too much in our face? It kinda plays into the "orgy of evidence", with a little bit of failure, heroism and myth attached to it?

2) Given that Rodrigues the janitor is telling the truth about his experience in the basement, and that John O'Neil really was in the building that day, wouldn't it be natural to immideatly pick up the phone and call head of security, and by that indirectly verifying that he was in the building that day?

3) How much did John O'Neil really know? Did he have any spesifics regarding the operation of nine eleven?

There are many more questions, and I don't want to step outside the "ground rules" of the independent investigation, of which I will participate in when my information is more solid than it is now.

Generally if something fits too perfectly there is something more than the obvious behind it, something the discussed movie dives into with more sanity than any other film I have seen on the subject. The psychological effect of the actual attack and constant display of grieving families and the heros of the attack (both living an dead) tends to obscure (with all respect to the involved families) the hard facts of what really was in those buildings.

What is initially needed is hard facts regarding the offices/ firms in the buildings, what they were involved with, which ties they have, their history, what the movement of their emplyees and excecutives were on that day and some time before the operation, if only to prove that the destruction of documents and proofs of misconduct are ways to throw people off in a specific direction (like the insider trading deal) given of the hands on nature of such "proof". I firmly believe, and thus concur with the layout of the investigation initiated here, that one body of people should in cooperation, and without any specific gain involved (books, movies, publicity, etc.) investigate all aspects of this multi-layered intelligence operation, instead of having haphazard investigations into fragmented aspects of what obviously is one huge, and well-planned operation. Having the operation take place on multiple locations is part of the methodology, and is a few steps up from previous "testing" attempts. This again throws people off in different directions discussing different aspects and mixing myth, disinfo, technology, motive, finance, etc, until everything is one big bag of confusion on it's way to the hall of fame of Conspiracy Theories. And this is where we are today. We need a remedy, and we need to start listening, reading and watching with trained eys and ears. I do feel the people here are closer to that remedy than anyone else I have heard of. Of course we can diagree on various things, but we must not loose perspective, as this event is a key to understanding the past, as well as laying a foundation for future methodology as it pertains to taking in information, processing it, being generally awake and growing to become an informed and brutally honest body of international citizens.

Back to the film.... I too will take in the information and check the validity of it and how it relates to intentional "mistakes" and the real "mistakes" of the international intelligence "tsars" behind the psyop of nine eleven.

Looking forward to further discussion, exchange of ideas and real investigation.

BeWell. Smile

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Generally if something fits too perfectly there is something more than the obvious behind it, something the discussed movie dives into with more sanity than any other film I have seen on the subject.


911 isnt't the greatest state crime in history...but it is the most obvious big one. I'd rank it with the burning of Rome in 64AD. Later the Roman historian Tacitus wrote around 100AD that Nero ordered it, but it's still debated to this day. Certainly the Latin dictum, "who profits?" applies. Nero got to fulfill his dream of rebuilding Rome as monument to himself, impoverishing his enemies in the Senate, and blaming the Christians to launch a famous pogrom. And he was conveniently giving a lyre (liar)performance in another city that night. Whether guilty or not, Nero also died in a hail of daggers not so long after, though, by Senators who'd had enough of him.

Something like 911 isn't an isolated whim, though. Such a thing is the tip of an iceberg goiing back for decades, and influencing everything that occurs afterwards. The film reminds us of how huge this is.

And I had forgotten...all of this reasoning was on the web if you dug for it, back in 2002. I remember now.
Somehow, we've all ended up focusing on things like, "was it airplanes...or holograms?" Now how did this happen?

I do think the film could have done better with less hamming it up by the actor/writer/producers. The sound track is unecessarily abrasive to the point of distraction. I don't care about being made to feel that 'going nuts' feeling many of us did feel back in 2002-2002. Hunter Thompson rightly called it a "National Nervous Breakdown", and it was at the time.

I checked all the information given again, and THIS is the direction inquiry should go. The paper trail, the associations. John O'Neil's death happened--the autopsy story is possibly part of the coverup, like the disappearance of JFK's brain from the Smithsonian Institute. We can't know. For all we know his body was subsituted as he may have been murdered before he entered the building---just to be sure. I'm not making a claim, since we can never know that, but the man is dead either way.
What we do know is that he was the Deputy Director of the FBI who had been onto Al Queda and Osama Bin Ladin...and his investigation was cancelled by GW Bush. He resigned, and was offerred that six figure private sector job for Krom Security. And from there on, we have the very suspicious paper trail.
Now, as suspicious as all that is, it's circumstancial. That's how things work at that level.
I believe the truth has been right under our noses all along, but we're dealing with perpetrators who are the law of the land. It's their system.
But to the public, when charges are never brought by (chuckle) Federal Grand Jury. When a 911 Commission omits any of that, it simply goes down the memory hole.

Give a listen to Fintan's archive broadcast 911 Minority Report. He brings up another thing about crimes where the right leads aren't explored becuase the perps leave "an orgy of evidence". In this case, the orgy of evidence left is dead ends having to do with what went on at the top of the building.....the aircraft that actually could not demolish the buildings---though they did hit the building and create the distracting polytechnics we all remember most.
Fintan also mentions that the "lid" of the "pressure cooker" needs to stay on an event of this magnitude for seven or eight years. I'm interpretting from that statement that the "pressure" helps the realization of the most obvious, fade in memory due to the failure of stating the obvious leading to nothing. If I say, "I witnessed this man kill that man", and nothing happens, even I will wonder if I was mistaken.

The death in WTC 2 of a former FBI deputy director who was stopped from investigating the so called Al Queda and Bin Ladin, on his second day at work, is simply the right kind of lead. Holograms and what color the planes were that day is pretty much irrelevant.
Somebody has managed to keep the debate centered entirely on the events of a few hours, on one day.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:27 am    Post subject: John O'Neil Flick Reply with quote

I thought it was really creepy - I don't know exactly why. It wasn't bad - it was pretty well done.

I'm sure many of us could relate to the character, and recognized a similar 'cast' in our heads. That's why I found it a little unnerving - like one media reality being replaced by another.

It made me wonder if this 'alternative view' of 'reality' isn't being programmed into society, and we were just on the crest of the wave.

Pre 911, I didn't have a global view of anything. Knowing all the crap in that movie made me realize how much information I've taken in and 'charted' for myself - to surprisingly similar conclusions as this film.

Why does that suddenly make me suspicious of everything I 'know'? That movie made me feel like I was being suckered, but I don't know how.

Ultimately, what it emphasized to me was that any intelligent, persistent study of 911 will ultimately lead to the same conclusion:

The attacks were an orchestrated step in a larger plan for global governance by a wealthy elite segment of society.

Nobody that begins the search for 'truth' ever gets any closer to the real 'facts' but everybody is able to negate the mainstream story, and that process inevitably leads to an understanding of this elite global governance 'conspiracy'.

This movie laid out that process so well, it seemed almost, well, like simply scooping up the orgy of evidence planted by the perps.

The 'Fakes Hall of Fame' list of websites in the credit scroll also gave me pause to consider, "Am I being had... again?"
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:06 pm    Post subject: Sucker? Reply with quote

"Who Killed John O'Neill?"
Google Video Version: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1981225573970187433

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That movie made me feel like I was being suckered, but I don't know how.

Yeah Jerry. U Bet.
I just started to watch it.
More Soon

DirectorProducer: Ty Rauber
http://tyrauber.com/
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@LARGE Apocalypse Not

By Scott Kirsner Globe Contributor, 01/22/2001

Today, Ty Rauber will announce that his company, Digital Media On Demand (DMOD), has raised a second round of venture capital - $12.5 million - in a financial environment where the prospect of raising a second round induces many entrepreneurs to start gnawing their cuticles and take up cigarettes. And, Rauber says, "We were looking for less money. Somehow, we ended up with twice as much as we wanted," from investors like Greylock, Pilot House Ventures and Intel.

DMOD, based in Allston, develops technologies to deliver digital content securely, and in such a way that media companies can control its redistribution, and even charge for it. It's possible that the company could be part of the arrangement between Napster and BMG to develop a Napster-like service that would generate revenue for the record label and its artists.

What's more certain, according to Rauber, is that the company will open offices in New York and Los Angeles this year and grow from 42 employees now to at least 75. "We've already hired a VP of West Coast operations," Rauber says, "and we're beefing up our engineering staff, marketing and business development."
http://home.att.net/~kirsner/atlarge/012201.html

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@LARGE By Scott Kirsner, 2/2/2004
DMOD, a Burlington start-up backed by Greylock, Intel, and Pilot House Ventures, has spent much of the last year restructuring and cutting back to just 10 employees. Founder Ty Rauber is out, and former Avid executive Mark Overington is now chief executive.
http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2004/02/02/many_reasons_to_sing_bostons_praises/

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News from 9/11 Researchers and 9/11 Activists
Date 2004/6/15 from 911Skeptics.Blogspot

Hopsicker, Daniel
INN had much fun with Daniel Hopsicker at our party at Sugar in NYC.
Hopsicker presented some new footage from Mohammad Atta's girlfriend and revealed new infos about Atta's contact with some military companies.

At the party also Dan Halper from SGTV and Filmmaker Ty Rauber and writer Ryan Thurston, who are working on their movie "Who Killed John O'Neill?", inspired by an older "LIHOP article" about Jerome Hauer.
LINK

Also:
http://www.physics911.ca/Video:_commentary
www.lonelantern.org/home.html


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911 : Short Movie need theatres: "Who Killed John O'Neill?"
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http://www.whokilledjohnoneill.com -June 2004

Filmmaker Ty Rauber and writer Ryan Thurston, this week guests at a party with Daniel Hopsicker in New York, currently promoting their movie ""Who Killed John O'Neill?".

Inspired by an old LIHOP article about Jerome Hauer, their 7-minute black and white film, "Who Killed John O'Neill?", was produced and directed by Ty Rauber as a Boston University Film Production 1 project.

Rauber collaborated with writer / star Ryan Thurston, logging together thousands of hours of research into the September 11, 2001 attack.

SYNOPSIS:

After 6 years of tracking Osama bin Laden around the world, maverick FBI counter-terrorist John O'Neill is murdered in the September 11th, 2001 terrorist attacks.

Obsessed with the life and death of John O'Neill, a conspiracy theorist attempts to maintain his sanity in the midst of a revelation.

Who killed John O'Neill?

12 June 2004 By Ewing2001

This weekend, INN met the two talented film makers from Boston, who spent 1000s of hours on their movie, inspired by an old LIHOP -article about Jerome Hauer, who recently testified at the 9/11 Panel.

The movie not only shows his strong connections as OEM head and WTC 7, but also his ties with John O'Neill. Hauer organised a security job for O'Neill at his former company Kroll Associates, a company which belongs to AIG (Maurice Greenberg).

More disturbing, there seems to be another darker secret from Kroll in Boston, as the movie will show...

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LIHOP SUSPECT NO. 1
Jerome "Jerry" Hauer, Human Health Institute

"Very few cities at this point in time are prepared to manage the consequences of bio-terrorist attack."
Jerry Hauer in an interview with Eyewitness News, October 1, 2001

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WABC_investigators_100101bioterror.html

In May 2002, Jerome Hauer became director of the federal Office of Public Health Preparedness (OPHP), succeeding Dr. D. A. Henderson from Johns Hopkins Institute.

Why is Jerome Hauer not making national news yet?

He's becoming famous on the Internet. Not only for Republicans, who appreciate his long fight against bioterrorism, which he started three to four years ago.

Hauer is also controversial among those who are able to connect the dots between his person and shady business deals in biopharmacy since 1998.

More interesting, he seems to have had prior knowledge about both so called terrorist-attacks: September 11th and Anthrax.

But many private investigators claim since months, he let the attacks happen on purpose to continue his career.

Is Hauer LIHOP suspect No.1?

He started to work for the NIH under Tommy Thompson on September 10, 2001 as an adviser on national security. On September 11th, he told the White House to take Cipro, the antibiotic that works against the anthrax virus, without bothering to reveal his warning to the American nation.
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/living/health/3020501.hym

The watchdog group JudicialWatch decided to file a lawsuit against the NIH, but also against the FBI, CDC and the White House, for the same reason: Prior Knowledge.

It is not known how long Hauer worked at the NIH before Sept. 11, but we can confirm that he was working on Sept. 10.
http://www.lauriegarrett.com/wtc_day12.html

But things get really interesting when we consider that Jerome Hauer was also the man who in August 2001 arranged a new job for John O'Neill - the resigning chief of the FBI Terror Task Force - as head of security at the World Trade Center.

How did Hauer know that the Twin Towers would be so important?

We would like to ask John O' Neill, but there is one problem: O'Neill died in the towers on September 11th, one day after he started his job officially, according to the New Yorker.

Disturbingly, O'Neill has never been received the same hero status in the mass media as has been accorded to the fallen New York firefighters and police officers. His death has gone without the same fanfare. For 11 months his story went untold, with two big exceptions.

The two French intelligence specialists Brisard and Dasquie (see: http://intelligenceonline.fr)
published an interview with O'Neill taken before his death in their book, "Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth." And articles on O'Neill were also published in the New Yorker and New York Magazine. Last week, TIME magazine also tried to remember him, but left out the most important angles.

This should change immediately.

There is obviously a lot which has been hidden from us, but for what reason?

This might have something to do with the FBI HQ (O'Neill complained about them), but also with Jerome Hauer - who is a friend of the current prime anthrax suspect, Stephen Hatfill, who was working for the military anthrax program USAMRIID at Fort Detrick and Battelle, a huge pharmacy company with many ties to the CIA.

Hauer and Hatfill worked together at the SAIC's Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis in 1999. The SAIC (Scientific Applications International Corp) later received also a huge BioDefense budget in autumn 2001.
http://www.saic.com/news/nov99/news11-30a-99.html - (Hauer)
http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/story/455218p-3643441c.html - (Hatfill)

But first, more about Hauer:

In 1983, Hauer joined IBM where he was responsible for the company's Hazardous Materials Response and Crisis Management and Fire Safety programs. Hauer produced a series of hazardous materials training videos that earned him the International Film andTV Critics of New York Bronze award in 1986.

In the early 1990s, Hauer got his first contacts to military and biodefense.

Hauer received a master's degree in emergency medical services from the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health. Then he became member of the Johns Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense, where he wrote various articles about a possible bioterrorist attack.
http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/hauer.html

In 1998, he started working at the OEM (Office for Emergency Management) in New York.

In the same year, Hauer and anthrax suspect Hatfill both supported the CFR as experts in their respective fields. The CFR is an acronym for Council on Foreign Relations, one of the most important think-tanks advising the US government, as well as many other governments abroad.

CFR members include the Pentagon's top advisers, Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, ex-CIA chief James Woolsey, biosciences specialist Joshua Lederberg, and many others.

On May 28, 1998, Hatfill and Hauer spoke together at the same CFR meeting about "Building a 'Biobomb': Terrorist Challenge"
http://www.cfr.org/public/resource.cgi?meet!102

Hatfill was at that time also Senior Research Associate at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (=USAMRIID)

Hauer seems to specialize in the art of holding down several different jobs at the same time. While he started to work for the NIH in September 2001, he remained a Managing Director at Kroll Associates - the official security and bodyguard company for all American presidents since World War II!

With Hauer's many sources of insider information (e.g. Kroll/President bodyguards) , it makes sense that he also knew about the CIA briefing for George Bush on August 6, 2001, about warnings of an imminent terrorist "attack with planes."

Hauer is still trying to save the world.

On November 6th, 2001 he participated in the "Independent Task Force on America's Response to Terrorism" at the CFR. Participants there included James J. Zogby (President of the Arab American Institute and Central Asian Enterprise Fund), Newton L. Gingrich (Chief Executive Officer, The Gingrich Group), Harold Brown (former secretary of defense and counselor at CSIS: the Center for Strategic and International Studies), Henry A. Kissinger (Senior Fellow in National Security and European Affairs), Richard C. Holbrooke (Counselor, CFR and Vice Chairman of Perseus, LLC) and Philip A. Odeen (Executive Vice President, Washington Operations of TRW, Inc. and CEO of Reynolds + Reynolds, Dayton).

Their agenda, eight weeks after the attack of Sept. 11, was strange indeed:
http://www.cfr.org/Public/publications/PubDiplom_TF.html

"....Release a White Paper explaining our goals and rationale for the war in Afghanistan, and outlining the evidence that the al-Qa'eda network was responsible for the 9/11 attacks....

...Disseminate stories of particular victims to convey the range of people killed in the 9/11 attacks-stress range of religions, races, income levels, etc...

...counteract myth that Mossad was behind the attacks by showing Jews killed, etc...

...Routinely monitor the regional press in real time to enable prompt responses..."

Hauer's deep connection to disinformation circles for his own purpose are well known. In 1998, he convinced New York Mayor Rudi Guilliani to develop a vaccine against the West Nile virus - almost one year before this virus broke out in New York.

To this end, Hauer introduced Col. Thomas Monath of Oravax (now Accambis) to Guliani and organised a business deal.

Hauer also continued giving bioterror lectures and writing terror scenario scripts. He organized a July 26, 1999, conference in New York for journalists and "thought leaders," on bioterrorism and "Reporting on Weapons of Mass Destruction - Responsibility, Reliability, Readiness." At the same time, he was heading the West Nile spray operation in NYC.

Bioterrorism and vaccines - a perfect payroll combination for Hauer?

Among the participants at this 1999 conference was Brigadier General Bruce Lawlor of the U.S. Army and the former FBI assistant director, Lewis Schiliro (NYC).

General Lawlor has in the meantime become the Senior Director for Protection and Prevention at the Office of Homeland Security:
http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/bcsia/esdp.nsf/bios/lawlorbruce

Lawlor was the first commanding general of Joint Task Force - Civil Support (JTF-CS), located in Fort Monroe, Virginia. JTF-CS is a standing joint task force assigned to U.S. Joint Forces Command. Lawlor has taught at the U.S. Army War College and served as a consultant to the Defense Science Board.

Nothing is known about his further influence in preventing attacks on America.

However, as FBI assistant director, Schiliro supervised several counterterrorism investigations, including the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the 1998 embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.

But Schiliro gave up supporting Hauer in February 2000, too.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/terrorism/fail/

He left the FBI to move to credit card giant MBNA Corp.

And Schiliro wasn't the only one.

His close friend Louis Freeh - who was replaced in the FBI in August 2001 by Thomas Pickard as the acting head of the Bureau - started a new job as a Senior Vice Chairman at MBNA Corp in early September 2001 and began to collect shares.
http://biz.yahoo.com/t/in/k/krb.html

The background of the MBNA is very interesting. They helped the FBI in tracing the hijackers' credit card transactions, and had a lot of prominent helping hands. Among them was James Kallstrom, the former head of Special Operations, FBI.

BNA also has a controversial status among civil right groups. Since 1996, MBNA CORP has unleashed various bulldozers, dump-trucks and explosives in a savage attack on the Ducktrap Deeryard (major coastal wildlife area on Penobscot Bay, Maine USA) or continued with "dull roar of corporate jet noise".

Then, in April 2001, MBNA also had to deal with cheque fraud. Involved was Intelligent Finance, a Halifax-backed Internet bank and a bogus account for a guy named Vindel.
http://www.mbnasucks.org/kallstrom.html

Also interesting is the bio of another director of the MBNA Corporation: Bernadine P. Healy. She also serves as a trustee of the Battelle Memorial Institute and is President and CEO of the American Red Cross.
http://yahoo.marketguide.com/mgi/biograph.asp?rt=biograph&rn=5570N

On May 10, 2001, a few months before Sept. 11, she testified on "human challenges that we will face during a WMD attack":
http://www.slu.edu/colleges/sph/csbei/bioterrorism/official/congress.htm

The Red Cross and the OEM under Jerome Hauer worked very closely together.

Hauer's connections and insider information seem to be endless!

He also helped with the construction of the New York OEM headquarters known as "the bunker," on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center.
http://www.politicsny.com/reports/february02/2-14-02-sheirer.shtml

The CIA later confirmed that they also had an office in that building, next to the Department of Defense and the INS. For unknown reasons, 7 World Trade Center was the third skyscraper to collapse on Sept. 11. Officially, it began burning after debris from the Twin Tower collapses caused an illegal diesel-fuel tank inside the building to explode.

The presence of this large gas tank - also on the 23rd floor - with thousands of gallons of fuel far above ground, in violation of the fire code, was confirmed some weeks after Sept. 11th. There has never been an official verdict on the reasons for the collapse of WTC 7. A FEMA study failed to reach a clear conclusion:
http://www.house.gov/science/hot/wtc/wtc-report/WTC_ch5.pdf

While the collapse of WTC 7 remains a mystery, it cannot be said that the deaths caused by the bio-attack a couple of weeks later were similarly due to incompetence. On the contrary, Hauer had a huge team behind him, and had already warned the White House. Why didn't he leak all his information in time?

In May 2000, the Johns Hopkins Center, in collaboration with the ANSER Institute for Homeland Defense, the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and the Oklahoma Memorial Institute for the Study of Terrorism held a bioterrorism exercise at Andrews Air Force Base. Former Senator Sam Nunn played the President.

David Gergen played the National Security Advisor. Governor Frank Keating played himself, Frank Wisner was Secretary of State, ex-CIA director James Woolsey (ironically) played CIA Director, John White played Defense Secretary, and Dr. Margaret Hamburg was HHS Secretary. The Attorney General was played by George Terwilliger, William Sessions was FBI Director, and Jerome Hauer played FEMA Director.
http://www.hopkins-biodefense.org/pages/library/fema.html

"One of the striking observations of this exercise was the unfamiliarity of these distinguished and experienced professionals with the basic decisions and trade-offs associated with managing the response to the epidemic."

Observing was Tara O'Toole, MD, MPH Senior Fellow, Center for Civilian Biodefense Studies and at that time Deputy Director of Johns Hopkins Institute.

This started a series of different "war games."

On June 22-23, 2001, the same crew organised their last big scenario before Sep11th. They called it DARK WINTER. It was about a possible smallpox attack. Hauer participated as well, this time "playing" the director of the FBI. The whole list is still mirrored at:
http://www.hopkins-biodefense.org/participants.html
http://www.mipt.org/darkwinter06222001.html
http://www.homelanddefense.org/darkwinter/index.cfm

Among the other participants once again:
James Woolsey, ex-CIA director
Hon. Sam Nunn
George Terwilliger etc.

Observing, among many others, Thomas Inglesby, at that time Senior Fellow Johns Hopkins Institute

On July 14th, 2001 the testimony on DARK WINTER was released:
http://www.csis.org/press/ma_2001_0723.htm

But when the first anthrax attacks started, the only thing, which worked perfectly, was the distribution of the anthrax antibiotic Cipro, by Bayer. A couple of weeks later, Barbara Rosenberg of FAS (Federation of American Scientists), the magazine New Scientist, the biowarfare convention specialist Jan van Aken, and the ex-UN inspector Richard Spertzel came to the conclusion that the anthrax was homegrown.

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991473

Rosenberg was also supported by Dr. Francis Boyle, a human rights lawyer and professor of law at the University of Illinois. An expert on international law, U.S. criminal law and nuclear weapons, Boyle has studied many different biowarfare contracts in which "safety levels were atrocious." He is also author of "The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence":
http://www.counterpunch.com/boyle0425.html

Hauer ignored the report by Barbara Rosenberg, but he certainly knew who she was. He first met her on April 10, 1998, at a "roundtable on genetic engineering and biological weapons" under President Clinton. The small group of outside experts and cabinet members present there included: William Cohen (at the time Secretary of Defense), CIA boss George Tenet, Craig Ventner (Celera), Joshua Lederberg (Rockefeller University, Defense Science Board), Thomas Monath (Oravax/Acambis, former CDC and USAMRIID), Hauer, and Barbara Rosenberg.

In November 2001, Hauer was still ignoring the investigations by Barbara Rosenberg, who had already worked out a list of possible anthrax suspects, scientists who would have been able to gain access to the original Ames strain from USAMRIID, Fort Detrick.


http://www.fas.org/bwc/news/anthraxreport.htm

Among the suspects on this list were Battelle and the Battelle Memorial Institute administrators, who supplied the Dugway anthrax proving facility in Utah, where the only virtually identical Ames strain of silica-impregnated hyper-weaponized anthrax was found:
http://www.stlimc.org/print.php3?article_id=1295

Meanwhile, Hauer in November started an initiative known as "De-Mystifying the Biological Weapons Debate," and as a member of this group he claimed at the time that the main suspects for the anthrax attacks included "Osama Bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda network and sympathizers to US right wing extremists"
http://www.basicint.org/BWreport.htm

Therefore we have a lot of questions for him.

Is Hauer in any conflicts of interest?

What was his coordination with FEMA?

Can Hauer confirm, if a FEMA team was already dispatched to New York on September 10, as spokesman Tom Kennedy said in an interview with Dan Rather (CBS, shortly after the attack)?

(INFO: An interview with FEMA director Joe Allbaugh took place on September 12th on CBS at 7:40:20 accirding to the CBS transcript)
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:WsMptQzZzY8C:tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/010912cb.html+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 )

On May 8, 2001, Bush announced a new Office of National Preparedness for Terrorism at the Federal Emergency Management Agency. At the same time, he proposed to cut FEMA's budget by $200 million. Bush said that day that Cheney would direct a government-wide review on managing the consequences of a domestic attack.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A8734-2002Jan19

Bush was aware of a possible attack, that is for sure.

But the questions are:

Did FEMA have prior knowledge as well?

How deep was the communication transfer between Jerome Hauer, the Pentagon, FEMA and the CIA?


Hauer not only knew former CIA director James Woolsey, but also Milt Bearden, who was station commander and had managed America’s covert war in Afghanistan, helping the Moujaheddin drive out the Soviets between 1986-1989. Both spoke at the Nassau Community College (NYC) on October 22, 2001:
http://www.sunynassau.edu/collegerel/news/archives/10_01/102201_3.htm

Hauer's connections to the CDC, Johns Hopkins and the CIA (James Woolsey) are well-established. What role did Jerome Hauer really play?

Why was the distribution of Cipro to White House staff on Sept. 11 classified for such a long time (AP)?
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/bush_cipro.htm

What exactly does Hauer know about Stephen Hatfill and his former USAMRIID colleague, Thomas Monath?

What was his main concern in organizing a security job for John O'Neill at the Twin Towers?

What exactly did Hauer organise on Sep11th? Is it true that his office ordered thousands of employees "back to their desks" after the first plane hit, causing hundreds of unnecessary deaths?

Did Hauer let both the Sept. 11 and the anthrax attacks happen on purpose?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The movie is recycled Hopsicker / Amanda Keller / Sibel Edmonds
9/11 is a drug war / motivated by drugs / Iran Contra

Makes for a good study in disinfo, misdirection & deception.



MOVIE HIGHLIGHTS

14:00 Just Negligence
29:00 Allowed to Happen
51:00 Saying this is Suicide
52:00 Just Counterrorism experts No Evidence
55:30 Drugs are at the core
1.15:00 Atta is the new Barry Seale - Huffman Aviation
1.23:00 Atta the Coke-Head

MAIN SUSPECTS

CIA Kroll AIG SAIC CFR Maurice Greenberg




SUMMARY

Crazy conspiracy theorist draws lots of conclusions on a "guilt by association " basis.
No hard evidence, but big bankers and military and politicians all involved.




CIA FAKES IN CREDITS


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad you entered the discussion on this film, Mr. Dunne. It's got some better than usual hooks in it.

Addendum, June 4.


Investigating 911 is certainly a trip up and down Tim Finnegan's ladder. (one false step after another). I think you're right that many ladders for investigation were made long prior to the day, and set out with a nice little sign "truth of 911 atop". I've wasted a lot of time climbing up a number of them. I suppose the only way to tell is when one finds climbing one gets us no closer to the top, no matter many steps are put into it.

What I got out of this film on first viewing, the hook, is that there is a paper trail. As you said on "911 Minority Report", the one day isn't an isolated event, it's from years of planning and events leading up to the day, and the years of coverup after. And such an operation has a deeper purpose. A legion of purposes served.

But without the proof we need, and without support of the government’s investigative and judicial machinery, we’re left nearly at the level of superstition. And that's a suggestible state of mind. I think this is why inquiries begin with reason and logic, but tend to degrade into irrational rants, as with Alex Jones, and this film. I was bothered by the premise of the ‘lone crazed conspiracy nut’, but moreso by the handling of the sound track. After a few viewings, I'm thinking the soundtrack would be an interesting study in itself. I didn't like the state of mind the visual and soundtrack handling put me into. It occurred to me today there may be more up with that than the verbal content of the film.

I figured this film would be good for one thing at least. As you put it:

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Makes for a good study in disinfo, misdirection & deception.

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