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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 1:53 pm    Post subject: Interesting Ron Paul Update Reply with quote

I know that there are some on the forum who see Paul as just another part
of presidential campaign psy-op, and I must say that while I hate to admit
it I am reluctantly confident that these forum members' opinions are
probably accurate. Perhaps he is here just to serve the libertarian
mindshare....and he'll get dumped in order to create more dashed hopes.
But whatever the angle, I really like listening to this guy. He gets me
jazzed-up Smile

So, anyway, I'm posting his latest email cause there are some items of
interest within it (see RED font):

Quote:
May 8, 2007

ARLINGTON, VA – Congressman Ron Paul's support has soared since the first Republican presidential debate. Conservative commentator John McLaughlin, host of “The McLaughlin Group," cited Ron Paul as having given "the best performance of the debate." In fact, the Paul campaign's apparent strength has many other pundits scrambling to explain it. Paul campaign officials offer the following examples of the candidate's rising success.

Since the debate on May 3, Ron Paul:

1. Handily won two post-debate polls posted by event sponsor MSNBC.

2. Placed a close third (18%) in a post-debate poll on the conservative Drudge Report.

3. Won an ABCNews.com online debate poll with 84%.

4. Won a C-SPAN online GOP candidate poll with 69%.

5. Became the third most-mentioned person in the blogosphere, beating out Paris Hilton, according to the reputable Technorati.com.

6. Produced a YouTube.com video that was ranked the 8th most popular overall video, and the most-viewed political video.

7. Was featured, by popular demand, on the front of Digg.com.

8. Generated so many bulletin posts on MySpace.com that the site owner News Corp. blocked all additional posts about Dr. Paul.

9. Became a "most searched" term on Google and Yahoo!.

10. Saw a quadrupling of daily visitors to RonPaul2008.com.

"These figures speak for themselves," said campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "Ron Paul has quickly become a strong contender for the GOP nomination because of his powerful message of freedom and limited government."


The one that is of the most interest is the MySpace censorship. While it
doesn't surprise me I am surprised that we haven't seen a huge uproar
in the blogosphere regarding this. When Digg attempted to do this a
few weeks ago regarding DVD security keys, the uproar was big and
immediate.

In any event, time to replace MySpace.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think Ron Paul is an 'authorized' candidate. A local Republican party big wig here was quoted saying, "He can run if he wants to, but he's got a long haul ahead".

We can tell who the authorized candidates are by how much free coverage of every little word and stunt is provided them by the MSM outlets.

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ormond wrote:
I don't think Ron Paul is an 'authorized' candidate.

I totally agree with that statement.

But given today's climate, can a grassroots candidate achieve success and
break-in to the mainstream?
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

navari wrote:
Ormond wrote:
I don't think Ron Paul is an 'authorized' candidate.

I totally agree with that statement.

But given today's climate, can a grassroots candidate achieve success and break-in to the mainstream?

NO.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don’t know much about Rep Paul, but he very well may be an “authorized candidate” Since the establishment always gets an authorized “UNAUTHORIZED” exterior mal content like Paul, and Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson types, so just in case a real unauthorized candidate gets into the mix, or political agitator and tells some truth with sincerity behind it.

They are tired of assassinations. The last few unauthorized men who challenged them were:

Malcolm X

John Kennedy

Robert Kennedy

Martin Luther King

And we know what happened to them, don’t we?

Any other unauthorized candidate or political agitator who makes inroads in to the consciousness of the American people will be assassinated, without a shadow of a doubt!
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep. Kennedy got in only due to Joe Kennedy's long planning and determination to put a son in the White House. I read years ago that supposedly Aristotle Onassis told the Senior Kennedy in a conversation in 1955, that no Kennedy would ever be President. Can't substantiate that quote, though. But it fits what we know. I do believe Kennedy's a special case for having been of a family with the clout and saavy to create a real opposition faction. Calling in chits from the old party machine bosses: Richard Daly of Chicago expecially. Plus Joe Sr. had funded many Hollywood personalities during part of his career, specifically to have a competitive influence in the MSM. Kennedy was surrounded by a pack of wolves from day one. But what got him killed may have been that he crossed the line every assassinated President had. He was messing with the money, breaking the 1913 Jekyll Ilsand pact with the Federal Reserve. That pact was forged by John D. Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, Mellon, Walker, Harriman, and that crew.

Today, a presidential candidate can't afford MSM support. 'War chest' size doesn't matter, the whole MSM has to be behind the candidates. The sweep of MSM support is worth billions, not just several million. The entire juggernaut of press and television gets behind the authorized only.

The election process doesn't emphasize issues, it's a cult of personality contest.

There is no chance of breaking control of power installing their pick of candidate without serious reform first. What would work?

Currently, the candidates are chosen by delegates from each state to the respective nominating conventions.
Consider this being scrapped, and instead a write-in election of each party's candidate. Fuck the Convention. Fuck the Democrat and Republican nomination committees. That's the scam.

As for the MSM problem, do away with paid tv ads. No 'war chest' No fundraising to to buy a President into public awareness.

The whole MSM must be required to give time to all candidates who are able to reach a set quota of popular votes in a pre-election. Those who say, raise a required number of votes get to run. That pre-election can be held up to two years before the final election.

Following would be debates, public service announcement time from the MSM required by law, and not one of the candidates could be refused equal time, or shut out of any debate.

As I said, instead of a convention with a few representative voters from each state, the vote has no convention, and is a nationwide election from a ballot of all contenders for their party's ticket.

Next, fouled up results (as in suspicion of voting machine fraud) would not be resolved by any court, including the Supreme Court. A badly contested election will be scrapped, not recounted, but SCRAPPED. And a brand new vote would be required. This would discourage tampering since rigging the results will not help them, if it's just going to be a public vote over again anyway.

These con artists need to be shut out of the voting process entirely.

Only then might we see somebody like Ron Paul wiping up the floor with schills like Hillary Clinton, Obama, and the MSM picks.

And again....NO ADS. JUST DEBATES, AND TELELVISED SPOTS BY THE CANDIDATES SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO THE CAMERA.

What I've suggested is so simple that I came up with off the top of my head. It's entirely 'do-able'.

One thing is clear--the present electoral system is flawed, a con, and has to get flushed.

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also we dont need 2 year contests, it should be 3 or 4 months at the most. This is just another money grab, these 2 year campaings. Imagine in November we still have a year to go with this lunacy!
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those who do not know much about Dr. Ron Paul here are a few things: In his words:

Debt and Taxes
Working Americans like lower taxes. So do I. Lower taxes benefit all of us, creating jobs and allowing us to make more decisions for ourselves about our lives.

Whether a tax cut reduces a single mother’s payroll taxes by $40 a month or allows a business owner to save thousands in capital gains taxes and hire more employees, that tax cut is a good thing. Lower taxes allow more spending, saving, and investing which helps the economy – that means all of us.

Real conservatives have always supported low taxes and low spending.

But today, too many politicians and lobbyists are spending America into ruin. We are nine trillion dollars in debt as a nation. Our mounting government debt endangers the financial future of our children and grandchildren. If we don’t cut spending now, higher taxes and economic disaster will be in their future – and yours.

In addition, the Federal Reserve, our central bank, fosters runaway debt by increasing the money supply – making each dollar in your pocket worth less. The Fed is a private bank run by unelected officials who are not required to be open or accountable to “we the people.”

Worse, our economy and our very independence as a nation is increasingly in the hands of foreign governments such as China and Saudi Arabia, because their central banks also finance our runaway spending.

We cannot continue to allow private banks, wasteful agencies, lobbyists, corporations on welfare, and governments collecting foreign aid to dictate the size of our ballooning budget. We need a new method to prioritize our spending. It’s called the Constitution of the United States,
American Independence and Sovereignty
So called free trade deals and world governmental organizations like the International Criminal Court (ICC), NAFTA, GATT, WTO, and CAFTA are a threat to our
independence as a nation. They transfer power from our government
to unelected foreign elites.

The ICC wants to try our soldiers as war criminals. Both the WTO and CAFTA could force Americans to get a doctor’s prescription to take herbs and vitamins. Alternative treatments could be banned.
The WTO has forced Congress to change our laws, yet we still face trade wars. Today, France is threatening to have U.S. goods taxed throughout Europe. If anything, the WTO makes trade relations worse by giving foreign competitors a new way to attack U.S. jobs.

NAFTA’s superhighway is just one part of a plan to erase the borders between the U.S. and Mexico, called the North American Union. This spawn of powerful special interests, would create a single nation out of Canada, the U.S. and Mexico, with a new unelected bureaucracy and money system. Forget about controlling immigration under this scheme.

And a free America, with limited, constitutional government, would be gone forever.

Let’s not forget the UN. It wants to impose a direct tax on us. I successfully fought this move in Congress last year, but if we are going to stop ongoing attempts of this world government body to tax us, we will need leadership from the White House.

We must withdraw from any organizations and trade deals that infringe upon the freedom and independence of the United States of America.

War and Foreign Policy
The war in Iraq was sold to us with false information. The area is more dangerous now than when we entered it. We destroyed a regime hated by our direct enemies, the jihadists, and created thousands of new recruits for them. This war has cost more than 3,000 American lives, thousands of seriously wounded, and hundreds of billions of dollars. We must have new leadership in the White House to ensure this never happens again.

Both Jefferson and Washington warned us about entangling ourselves in the affairs of other nations. Today, we have troops in 130 countries. We are spread so thin that we have too few troops defending America. And now, there are new calls for a draft of our young men and women.

We can continue to fund and fight no-win police actions around the globe, or we can refocus on securing America and bring the troops home. No war should ever be fought without a declaration of war voted upon by the Congress, as required by the Constitution.

Under no circumstances should the U.S. again go to war as the result of a resolution that comes from an unelected, foreign body, such as the United Nations.

Too often we give foreign aid and intervene on behalf of governments that are despised. Then, we become despised. Too often we have supported those who turn on us, like the Kosovars who aid Islamic terrorists, or the Afghan jihads themselves, and their friend Osama bin Laden. We armed and trained them, and now we’re paying the price.

At the same time, we must not isolate ourselves. The generosity of the American people has been felt around the globe. Many have thanked God for it, in many languages. Let us have a strong America, conducting open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations.


Border Security and Immigration Reform

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:
Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

Privacy and Personal Liberty
The biggest threat to your privacy is the government. We must drastically limit the ability of government to collect and store data regarding citizens’ personal matters.

We must stop the move toward a national ID card system. All states are preparing to issue new driver’s licenses embedded with “standard identifier” data – a national ID. A national ID with new tracking technologies means we’re heading into an Orwellian world of no privacy. I voted against the Real ID Act in March of 2005.

To date, the privacy focus has been on identity theft. It was Congress
that created this danger by mandating use of the standard identifier (currently your SSN) in the private sector. For example, banks use SSNs as customer account identifiers because the government requires it.

We must also protect medical privacy. Right now, you’re vulnerable. Under so-called "medical privacy protection" rules, insurance companies and other entities have access to your personal medical information.

Financial privacy? Right now depositing $10,000 in your local bank will generate a “suspicious activity report” to the federal government.

And then there’s the so-called Patriot Act. As originally proposed,


Expanded the federal government's ability to use wiretaps without judicial oversight;
Allowed nationwide search warrants non-specific to any given location, nor subject to any local judicial oversight;
Made it far easier for the government to monitor private internet usage;
Authorized “sneak and peek” warrants enabling federal authorities to search a person’s home, office, or personal property without that person’s knowledge; and
Required libraries and bookstores to turn over records of books read by their patrons.

I have fought this fight for many years. I sponsored a bill to overturn the Patriot Act and have won some victories, but today the threat to your liberty and privacy is very real. We need leadership at the top that will prevent Washington from centralizing power and private data about our lives.

Property Rights and Eminent Domain
We must stop special interests from violating property rights and literally driving families from their homes, farms and ranches.

Our country’s founders would roll over in their graves if they saw the takings clause in the Fifth Amendment used to justify booting people out of their homes for the profit of private developers and tax-hungry local governments. The Supreme Court’s Kelo decision said government power could be used to condemn private homes and churches to benefit a huge pharmaceutical corporation and a large property developer.

Today, we face a new threat of widespread eminent domain actions as a result of powerful interests who want to build a NAFTA superhighway through the United States from Mexico to Canada.

We also face another danger in regulatory takings: Through excess regulation, governments deprive property owners of significant value and use of their properties – all without paying “just compensation.”

Property rights are the foundation of all rights in a free society. Without the right to own a printing press, for example, freedom of the press becomes meaningless. The next president must get federal agencies out of these schemes to deny property owners their constitutional rights to life, liberty, and property.

Watch him in the debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hfa7vT02lA

Brief Overview of Congressman Paul's Record

* He has never voted to raise taxes.
* He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
* He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
* He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
* He has never taken a government-paid junket.
* He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
* He voted against the Patriot Act.
* He voted against regulating the Internet.
* He voted against the Iraq war.

* He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.

* He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.
Age: 45

Country: United States
Website: http://www.ronpaul2008.com
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those who do not know much about Dr. Ron Paul here are a few things: In his words:

Debt and Taxes
Working Americans like lower taxes. So do I. Lower taxes benefit all of us, creating jobs and allowing us to make more decisions for ourselves about our lives.

Whether a tax cut reduces a single mother’s payroll taxes by $40 a month or allows a business owner to save thousands in capital gains taxes and hire more employees, that tax cut is a good thing. Lower taxes allow more spending, saving, and investing which helps the economy – that means all of us.

Real conservatives have always supported low taxes and low spending.

But today, too many politicians and lobbyists are spending America into ruin. We are nine trillion dollars in debt as a nation. Our mounting government debt endangers the financial future of our children and grandchildren. If we don’t cut spending now, higher taxes and economic disaster will be in their future – and yours.

In addition, the Federal Reserve, our central bank, fosters runaway debt by increasing the money supply – making each dollar in your pocket worth less. The Fed is a private bank run by unelected officials who are not required to be open or accountable to “we the people.”

Worse, our economy and our very independence as a nation is increasingly in the hands of foreign governments such as China and Saudi Arabia, because their central banks also finance our runaway spending.

We cannot continue to allow private banks, wasteful agencies, lobbyists, corporations on welfare, and governments collecting foreign aid to dictate the size of our ballooning budget. We need a new method to prioritize our spending. It’s called the Constitution of the United States,
American Independence and Sovereignty
So called free trade deals and world governmental organizations like the International Criminal Court (ICC), NAFTA, GATT, WTO, and CAFTA are a threat to our
independence as a nation. They transfer power from our government
to unelected foreign elites.

The ICC wants to try our soldiers as war criminals. Both the WTO and CAFTA could force Americans to get a doctor’s prescription to take herbs and vitamins. Alternative treatments could be banned.
The WTO has forced Congress to change our laws, yet we still face trade wars. Today, France is threatening to have U.S. goods taxed throughout Europe. If anything, the WTO makes trade relations worse by giving foreign competitors a new way to attack U.S. jobs.

NAFTA’s superhighway is just one part of a plan to erase the borders between the U.S. and Mexico, called the North American Union. This spawn of powerful special interests, would create a single nation out of Canada, the U.S. and Mexico, with a new unelected bureaucracy and money system. Forget about controlling immigration under this scheme.

And a free America, with limited, constitutional government, would be gone forever.

Let’s not forget the UN. It wants to impose a direct tax on us. I successfully fought this move in Congress last year, but if we are going to stop ongoing attempts of this world government body to tax us, we will need leadership from the White House.

We must withdraw from any organizations and trade deals that infringe upon the freedom and independence of the United States of America.

War and Foreign Policy
The war in Iraq was sold to us with false information. The area is more dangerous now than when we entered it. We destroyed a regime hated by our direct enemies, the jihadists, and created thousands of new recruits for them. This war has cost more than 3,000 American lives, thousands of seriously wounded, and hundreds of billions of dollars. We must have new leadership in the White House to ensure this never happens again.

Both Jefferson and Washington warned us about entangling ourselves in the affairs of other nations. Today, we have troops in 130 countries. We are spread so thin that we have too few troops defending America. And now, there are new calls for a draft of our young men and women.

We can continue to fund and fight no-win police actions around the globe, or we can refocus on securing America and bring the troops home. No war should ever be fought without a declaration of war voted upon by the Congress, as required by the Constitution.

Under no circumstances should the U.S. again go to war as the result of a resolution that comes from an unelected, foreign body, such as the United Nations.

Too often we give foreign aid and intervene on behalf of governments that are despised. Then, we become despised. Too often we have supported those who turn on us, like the Kosovars who aid Islamic terrorists, or the Afghan jihads themselves, and their friend Osama bin Laden. We armed and trained them, and now we’re paying the price.

At the same time, we must not isolate ourselves. The generosity of the American people has been felt around the globe. Many have thanked God for it, in many languages. Let us have a strong America, conducting open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations.


Border Security and Immigration Reform

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:
Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

Privacy and Personal Liberty
The biggest threat to your privacy is the government. We must drastically limit the ability of government to collect and store data regarding citizens’ personal matters.

We must stop the move toward a national ID card system. All states are preparing to issue new driver’s licenses embedded with “standard identifier” data – a national ID. A national ID with new tracking technologies means we’re heading into an Orwellian world of no privacy. I voted against the Real ID Act in March of 2005.

To date, the privacy focus has been on identity theft. It was Congress
that created this danger by mandating use of the standard identifier (currently your SSN) in the private sector. For example, banks use SSNs as customer account identifiers because the government requires it.

We must also protect medical privacy. Right now, you’re vulnerable. Under so-called "medical privacy protection" rules, insurance companies and other entities have access to your personal medical information.

Financial privacy? Right now depositing $10,000 in your local bank will generate a “suspicious activity report” to the federal government.

And then there’s the so-called Patriot Act. As originally proposed,


Expanded the federal government's ability to use wiretaps without judicial oversight;
Allowed nationwide search warrants non-specific to any given location, nor subject to any local judicial oversight;
Made it far easier for the government to monitor private internet usage;
Authorized “sneak and peek” warrants enabling federal authorities to search a person’s home, office, or personal property without that person’s knowledge; and
Required libraries and bookstores to turn over records of books read by their patrons.

I have fought this fight for many years. I sponsored a bill to overturn the Patriot Act and have won some victories, but today the threat to your liberty and privacy is very real. We need leadership at the top that will prevent Washington from centralizing power and private data about our lives.

Property Rights and Eminent Domain
We must stop special interests from violating property rights and literally driving families from their homes, farms and ranches.

Our country’s founders would roll over in their graves if they saw the takings clause in the Fifth Amendment used to justify booting people out of their homes for the profit of private developers and tax-hungry local governments. The Supreme Court’s Kelo decision said government power could be used to condemn private homes and churches to benefit a huge pharmaceutical corporation and a large property developer.

Today, we face a new threat of widespread eminent domain actions as a result of powerful interests who want to build a NAFTA superhighway through the United States from Mexico to Canada.

We also face another danger in regulatory takings: Through excess regulation, governments deprive property owners of significant value and use of their properties – all without paying “just compensation.”

Property rights are the foundation of all rights in a free society. Without the right to own a printing press, for example, freedom of the press becomes meaningless. The next president must get federal agencies out of these schemes to deny property owners their constitutional rights to life, liberty, and property.

Watch him in the debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hfa7vT02lA

Brief Overview of Congressman Paul's Record

* He has never voted to raise taxes.
* He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
* He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
* He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
* He has never taken a government-paid junket.
* He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
* He voted against the Patriot Act.
* He voted against regulating the Internet.
* He voted against the Iraq war.

* He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.

* He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.
Age: 45

Country: United States
Website: http://www.ronpaul2008.com
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ormond wrote:


Today, a presidential candidate can't afford MSM support. 'War chest' size doesn't matter, the whole MSM has to be behind the candidates. The sweep of MSM support is worth billions, not just several million. The entire juggernaut of press and television gets behind the authorized only.

The election process doesn't emphasize issues, it's a cult of personality contest.

There is no chance of breaking control of power installing their pick of candidate without serious reform first. What would work?

Currently, the candidates are chosen by delegates from each state to the respective nominating conventions.
Consider this being scrapped, and instead a write-in election of each party's candidate. Fuck the Convention. Fuck the Democrat and Republican nomination committees. That's the scam.

As for the MSM problem, do away with paid tv ads. No 'war chest' No fundraising to to buy a President into public awareness.

The whole MSM must be required to give time to all candidates who are able to reach a set quota of popular votes in a pre-election. Those who say, raise a required number of votes get to run. That pre-election can be held up to two years before the final election.

Following would be debates, public service announcement time from the MSM required by law, and not one of the candidates could be refused equal time, or shut out of any debate.

As I said, instead of a convention with a few representative voters from each state, the vote has no convention, and is a nationwide election from a ballot of all contenders for their party's ticket.

Next, fouled up results (as in suspicion of voting machine fraud) would not be resolved by any court, including the Supreme Court. A badly contested election will be scrapped, not recounted, but SCRAPPED. And a brand new vote would be required. This would discourage tampering since rigging the results will not help them, if it's just going to be a public vote over again anyway.

These con artists need to be shut out of the voting process entirely.

Only then might we see somebody like Ron Paul wiping up the floor with schills like Hillary Clinton, Obama, and the MSM picks.

And again....NO ADS. JUST DEBATES, AND TELELVISED SPOTS BY THE CANDIDATES SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO THE CAMERA.

What I've suggested is so simple that I came up with off the top of my head. It's entirely 'do-able'.

One thing is clear--the present electoral system is flawed, a con, and has to get flushed.


Some very good points there, Ormond.

Election reform is desperately needed to create a level playing field for all candidates and to allow the election to be about ideas and proposals. And not about personalities and MONEY.

As you say, it isn't rocket science. I guess the problem is that the people in charge of the electoral system are all there because of it and have little if any interest in radical reform.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the US political system, including Dr. Paul in the debates might be a tactic to draw primary votes away from non-Hillary candidates. Noone who changes parties to vote for Ron Paul in the state primary would would be likely to vote for Hitlery KKKlinton. They can always torpedo his campaign or Huey Long his ass later if he gets too popular and it looks like he has a chance of winning the nomination.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possibly, johngr, though I'm not sure Paul will be popular enough to have much of a wedge effect on the GOP.

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