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macauleym



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:29 pm    Post subject: Irony, anyone? Reply with quote

I've followed BreakForNews on and off since last July. Though I haven't listened to every audio show or read every post, I've heard/read a good many of them.

Reading the comments and forum posts, I often wonder: Am I the only one who doesn't take things on faith? Does anyone else sense the irony in Fintan smearing everyone else with the "CIA(etc) Fake" title, and then acting like you're an idiot if you don't believe him? Fintan, your skepticism (or scepticism) is great, but why insult your listeners insofar as they apply the same attitude toward...you? I appreciate your insights, but I'd take you a lot more seriously if you regularly bothered to defend your positions with evidence and/or argument, and maybe a pinch of humility (not the sarcastic kind), rather than the self-assured (and remarkably un-self-critical) attitude of "I know how it works, don't you see it? it's like this, don't you see it? don't ask me how I know, in fact don't ask any hard questions, just think about it, hear my theories, why, isn't it just obvious? everyone else is a liar or a conspirator or both -- yes, everyone else -- but me, well, you can trust me, see? Don't you get it now? You're very welcome to the next level."

If I sound mocking, I'm sorry, but that's really the impression I get from hearing your show and reading your posts, and honestly, it makes me a lot more skeptical of your ideas, theories, and motivations, than would a more reasonable and defensible presentation. Like, I sense there's no room for criticism of anything you say. We're just supposed to believe it given the roughest outline of how things might be, because everyone else is CIA or whatever, but thankfully not Fintan, he'll guide us through the lies and deceptions, he's the only uncompromised researcher we've got, just believe whatever he says if it seems sort of plausible.

Is there any room in your world for someone in a position of some power who is not 100% in on the whole big G8 NWO conspiracy? Is it all black and white -- them and us? Sure, there are different shades of black -- I agree that Bush is more of a puppet than an actor in all of this. But you act as if, whatever you believe about someone or some situation, there is no doubt whatsoever, no uncertainty, that's just the way it is, they're CIA, or this is a PsyOp, it's all controlled, and there are no rough edges, or rather you know just where they are and where they aren't, thankfully for us readers/listeners. With all due respect, I frequently want to ask, how the hell do you know, and why aren't you sharing your airtight argument with us rather than this imaginative speculation, which you treat as if it were absolute proof while deriding us for thinking/wondering otherwise?
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systemvibrations0



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're talking about the internet I would think, it is highly likely that most easily obtained information was affiliated in some way with economic strength or search engine swindling. The people who created the internet have more control than the user, they invented it, we are swimming in a sea of information. A smaller scale, switch on your television, what percentage is controlled, owned or commissioned by singular companies in comparison to the independent channels, even the independent channels are commissioned by larger companies.

Fintan was bang on I feel in reguards to http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm#tappingthewaves
which I think he referenced in one of his audios, the information given is usually correct with few errors but with ONE major lie or speculation by the author that throws you're whole perspective. People who have read into natural disasters might conclude...'it was God', 'it just 'appenz' or 'it was a Scalar weapon, set off by who?' This website (above), found at the top of google when searching Scalar Weapons points to none other than the Russians and the Yakuzaahahaha.
Well 'Katrina' is an eastern European/Russian name isn't it. As it happens I've just searched 'Katrina russian names' on google and it presents me with a very shitty website. http://www.weatherwars.info/Katrina.htm. So I think they pretty much have the bases covered well. Lol @ weatherwars, the description on google doesn't even apply.

However this doesn't mean we cannot learn from everything, in the same way we learn/reinfornce our views when we see news channel such as FOX ommiting the flavour of the agenda right infront of our face.
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Fintan
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:51 pm    Post subject: Just Bitchin? Or is there more? Reply with quote

Ok, with all due respect, apart from criticizing my style, is there anything
of substance to your argument? You criticize, but you don't question
a single individual issue.

If I am self-assured, it might be because I have spent four years analysing these a**holes, and know them inside out.

To answer the substantive point you are making:
In audios the format is not suitable to detailed point-by-point analysis.
The audios tend to offer overview. The articles give particulars.

"why aren't you sharing your airtight argument with us"

If it's particulars you want.... Then there is NO lack of that.
Maybe you have only read the recent forum posts. That might explain it.
Have you actually read any of these detailed, careful analyses which
I am listing below. The full list is on the homepage "Best of Wagnews"

Look, here's news. The preparations for 9/11 went back 7-10 years.
The coverup crew for a crime of this magnitude was designed to
acomplish the goal by leaving nothing to chance and actually
BEING THE OPPOSITION. That's why we are swimming in a sea of Fakes.
From talk show hosts to ex-cabinet ministers, to ex-NSA operatives.

Now, where are the other guys who are saying maybe the 9/11 coverup
is designed so that the ones shouting "inside job" ARE the coverup?

Where are the guys saying that the 9/11 truth faction wars are all a
deliberate COINTELPRO-style gambit to disillusion the ordinary
folks. That all these individual allegations that so-and-so is working for
the government are bullshit because they ALL are. And they are all
calculatedly taking each other's credibility out to destoy the movement.

Where are the people saying this? Name any. Name one.
And if you can't name even one. What does that tell you?

It should tell you I have the b**ls to out them all.

Lots of detailed analysis:

Why the CIA Is Lying about Syria
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/12/why-cia-is-lying-about-syria.html
Ellsberg, Sibel Edmonds & The Secret Team
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/08/ellsberg-sibel-edmonds-secret-team.html
Our Good Friends in the CIA - NOT !
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/08/our-good-friends-in-cia-not.html
Giving Conspiracy Theory a Bad Name
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/08/giving-conspiracy-theory-bad-name.html
Mickey Atta and the Big McWhoppers
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/08/mickey-atta-and-big-mcwhoppers.html
Alex Jones, Hopsicker & the 9/11 CIA Fakes
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/08/alex-jones-hopsicker-911-cia-fakes.html
True Lies of 9/11: Amanda & Atta
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/08/true-lies-of-911-amanda-atta.html
Disinfo: The Iran Invasion Drivel
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/08/disinfo-iran-invasion-drivel.html
Good Cops, Bad Cops and the Stolen Election
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/08/good-cops-bad-cops-and-stolen-election.html
The CIA, The Left & Tabloid 9/11
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/08/cia-left-tabloid-911.html
'Two Hardware Stores' as 9/11 Goes 'Nuts'
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/08/911-coverup-current-status.html
Ops in Disarray Over London Bombs Probe
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/ops-in-disarray-over-london-bombs.html
Cynthia's Big LIHOP Day Out
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/cynthias-big-lihop-day-out.html
Mainstream Ridicules Visor Terror Drill Hype
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/mainstream-ridicules-visor-terror.html
Alex Jones is Wrong on London Terror Drill
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/alex-jones-is-wrong-on-london-terror.html
9/11 : The Aliens Did It !
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/04/911-aliens-did-it.html
Gannon and the Inevitable Downfall of Rove
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/04/gannon-and-inevitable-downfall-of-rove.html
Seymour Hersh and the Mythical 'Strike on Iran'
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/04/seymour-hersh-and-mythical-strike-on.html
What Have John Kerry and Giuliana Sgrena Got in Common?
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/03/what-have-john-kerry-and-giuliana.html


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:55 pm    Post subject: Not the japanese mafia Reply with quote

Yeah, Scalar Weapons are NOT run by the Russians and the Yakuzaahahaha.
That's Bearden's "big lie".

It's US/NATO MIC.
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Anastasia



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Fintan,

I'd like to play the UN diplomat here if I may. Smile

I think what macauleym was trying to do is shed some light on the big white elephant sitting in the middle of the living room that nobody seems to mention. You must know you are widely criticized on the internet for including just about everybody on your CIA fakes list and I'm sure everyone on this forum knows that so what macauleym was trying to say is.....Talk to us! Tell us how and why you think these people are intentionally trying to deceive. Maybe they're just seeing things from a different perspective. Through honest and open debate we can shed a lot more light on these issues than just reading your articles or listening to your audio files. For example, one thing I would like to know is: "Which information sources do you trust", "Who are the useful idiots and who are the real CIA fakes and how can you tell one from the other".

If we are here it is because we either believe in you or because we want to believe so this is your opportunity to win the hearts and minds of a lot more people than you can just through your writing. Nothing convinces more than an honest heart to heart conversation.

Not everybody who throws stones at us wants to hurt us. Sometimes they are just testing us. It is their way of asking: "Can I trust you?" Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:22 am    Post subject: No point in repeating myself here Reply with quote

Anastasia said:

Quote:
"Through honest and open debate we can shed a lot more light on
these issues than just reading your articles or listening to your audio files."


Wrong. You can shed light on these issues precisely by reading my articles and listening to my audio files.

I don't have the time to rehash my work here all over again.

I have new articles and audios to do, you see.

Don't worry. I will elaborate and extend on the work I have already done. Stay tuned....

By the way, I can assure you I know all the tricks the CIA use.

Oh, and also, it was an unfortunate turn of phrase to use when you said:

"I'd like to play the UN diplomat here if I may"

Ouch! lol Very Happy
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