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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject: BEES...lack of... Reply with quote

Interesting commentary from a derivatives trader.
Perhaps Al Gore should be warning congress about the sudden lack of bees...

.......Other Commentary:

....Technical analysis will never give you the why behind the move. That is where fundamental analysis comes in. While I don’t know for certain if the reason below is what may propel soybean prices higher it’s surely food for thought at the very least.

In the past few months or so a potential freighting series of events has taken place which has received very little “main stream” coverage. However, the BBC did run publish a good piece on the subject recently. Additionally, Eric Bolling “The Admiral” a NYMEX floor trader and regular commentator on CNBC has also touched upon the subject from the early get go. So on that note, I’m assuming that most of you are already aware of the story. However, I wanted to share some thoughts on the matter either way

So what exactly am I taking about? Honey Bees and the large amounts that are disappearing from the managed environment ran by professional beekeepers.

Personally, I never really gave much thought in the past to how much we rely on magnificent creatures. From the production of honey to pollination of crops their contribution to mankind in the area of agriculture is rather staggering to put it mildly when you start to look beneath the surface.

How staggering?

Since many of our pollinators are now scarce, we are more dependent than every before on the honey bee to pollinate our crops. Pollination starts when a field bee crawls around a plant blossom. The honey bee is dusted with pollen. Then the field bee flies over to another blossom with the pollen in its hair. When the bee lands, the pollen falls onto this blossom’s stigma. Now a fruit, vegetable or other crop can grow.

Some farmers rent colonies of bees from keepers to pollinate their crops. Two species of honey bee, A. mellifera and A. cerana, are often maintained, fed, and transported by beekeepers. Although other insects pollinate crops, honey bees are one of the few that are synchronized and managed with the development of crops. If honey bees didn’t pollinate, crops wouldn’t be able to grow. Without the pollination from honey bees it is estimated that there would be 33-50% less crops in the world! Even on the lower end of spectrum that’s a significant amount.

There are many agents of pollination other than honey bees. Pines and some other trees, grasses, and some weeds are pollinated by wind. However, many wind pollinated entities such as maple, hickory, corn, and ragweed are visited by bees collecting pollen.

Insects other than bees visit flowers and serve as pollinating agents, as well. Wasps, flies, various types of beetles, and other earthly insects extract pollen and/or nectar which assist in the pollination of those flowers. Typically their pollination though is of little to no value for crop growth. Of all the types of insects, honeybees have several advantages than enables them to be superior pollinators.

Bees from a honey bee colony will visit a great number of plants over a very large area, collecting pollen and nectar, with individual bees visiting one species of flowers in the same location until the supply of nectar or pollen is completely exhausted. This pollination trait is not found in other types of social bees, which visit various plant species during the same trip in the fields. This behavioral trait of other classifications of bees reduces their effectiveness as a pollinator because the pollens are mixed.

Recently large amounts of honey bees have been disappearing and the situation is propagating into something that could potentially become a very serious threat to the global food supply.

To elaborate on the subject further please read:

1. Penn State University College of Agriculture Sciences

Honey Bee Die-Off Alarms Beekeepers, Crop Growers and Researchers - January 29, 2007. - http://www.aginfo.psu.edu/News/07Jan/HoneyBees.htm

2. Cosmos Magazine:

3. Uncensored Article:

4. BBC Article

“Since October 2006, 35 per cent or more of the United States' population of the Western honey bee (Apis mellifera) - billions of individual bees - simply flew from their hive homes and disappeared.”

Bees literally fly away and don’t return home. Sounds like something from the X-files. Are they being poisoned by some type of mysterious agent? Are the internal compasses of these creatures not working properly? Whereby, driving them into starvation since they can’t find their way back to the colony hive. If so, what entity could potentially be affecting their sense of direction?

So far much of the speculation that I have read as to the reason why honey bees are dying off has revolved around genetically modified crops, mercury contamination as well as pesticides.

While I have done a considerable amount of research into the matter, although I’m a derivatives trader and not a scientist, I have yet to come across much in the area of solar activity and honey bees.

Considering that honey bees utilize the sun for direction and solar cycle 24 is forecasted to be one of the most intense since record keeping began, http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/21dec_cycle24.htm, I had to ponder this question even though solar activity never stops not even during solar minimums. The problem is that we are “near” the start of this new cycle and won’t know the official beginning until after the fact as any type of cyclical work utilities approximations.

Additionally, some of this thought on the sun would have to consider other solar cycles as well. This would then lead into the area of looking at the evidence of the “global warming is cyclical camp, as opposed to those that subscribe to the notion that humans are the cause, and not just cyclical here on earth but throughout the solar system. While I personally subscribe to the cyclical warming camp I have to ponder if both groups may be correct simultaneously.

Take some of the recent data on Mars for example. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

Is the same cycle which may be potentially warming Mars and/or Earth also affecting the sense of direction of honey bees? Could the problems be caused by more than one issue?

For example, according to recent data solar activity hasn’t increased dramatically yet. But if we take into consideration the Mars data it’s possible that the same reasons causing Mars to warm in conjunction with only small increases in solar activity could alter the internal compass of the honey bee. If so, what will happen when the cycle reaches its maximum in 2011 - 2012? Is the current situation only the beginning?

Solar flares are often associated with coronal mass ejections, the ejections of electrons, protons and ions from the Sun. These charged particles have some other effects on Earth. The Earth has a natural protection against these charged particles: its magnetic field and atmosphere that blocks most of them. However, some charged particles can enter the atmosphere at the poles and impact subjects not protected under earth’s atmospheric blanket.

For example, we only need to look so far as the auroras to witness the beautiful effects of solar flare activity. When charged particles, especially electrons, find their way at the poles, they get accelerated along the lines of the magnetic field and collide with the particles in the atmosphere which makes them glow. That glow is what we see as an aurora.

Effects / Possible Effects of Solar Flares:

· Damage and outright destruction to satellites. For example, a 1994 solar storm caused major malfunctions to two communications satellites, disrupting newspaper, network television and nationwide radio service throughout Canada.

· Emerging research has shown a possible correlation between pandemic outbreaks and increased solar activity.

· Earth’s Climate and warming ocean temperatures. For those in the U.S. any possible significant increase in ocean temperate could generate a very high possibility that an F5 hurricane will strike the Galveston, TX area potentially wiping out over half of the oil refining capacity. And that that’s not including any massive impact on the corn crop creating higher ethanol prices! Scientists are warning for a busy hurricane season in 2007 due to the record-breaking warmth. “We’ve never seen this before,” said Scott Glenn, a professor of marine science at Rutgers University’s Institute of Marine and Coastal Sciences, referring to the warm winter waters in a recent interview on the subject.

· Underwater earthquake activity, potency and frequency.

· Possible increased erosion in pipelines.

· Radio signals which causes a disruption in wireless communication.

· Electrical Transmission Lines. For utility operators, any power interruptions caused by solar storms creates pressure on the remaining power grid. Although utilities and owners of large transformers have more sophisticated advance warning tools than at any other time in history to help them prepare and prevent loss it’s not perfect.

A somewhat recent example, in March 1989, a solar storm much less intense than the perfect space storm of 1859 caused the Hydro-Quebec power grid to go down for over nine hours, and the resulting damages and loss in revenue were estimated to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars! Additionally, in some cases even with advanced warning it can be difficult to take evasive action.

For example, in the summer of 1859 there was a massive cloud of magnetically charged plasma called a coronal mass ejection. Not all coronal mass ejections head toward Earth. For ejections that do head for earth the typically time arrival time is around three to four days. However, the one in 1859 took approximately 17 hours to arrive!

· Health issues for airline pilots and astronauts. The magnetic field and the atmosphere block out most of the harmful radiation and charged particles. However, this is not the case when you go up in the atmosphere. Airline pilots that fly at great altitude, and especially near the poles, are exposed to more of these. The same goes for astronauts. This results in a higher incidence of cancer among airline pilots and cabin crew.

Because of this airlines need to alter flight paths. Increased operation cost what results.

I would have to think that at some other point in time in history we would have witnessed effects on bees “directional sensitivity” from solar flare activity. Maybe we have and did not realize it. How far back in history do we have data on honey bees? For example, new research has demonstrated a possible correlation between solar flare activity and pandemic outbreaks. But the jury is still out on this one in regards to something conclusive.

Any possible past effect on honey bees, or any other animal for that matter, by flare and other solar activity would also have to take into account the frequency and potency measurements. Also, as is the case for bees, do they utilize the sun in any direct or non-direct way to dictate direction?

Honey bees use the sun as a reference point in navigation and communication. Experiments have shown that bees have an internal representation of the sun's movement through the sky. The bee can, therefore, use the sun as a fixed point and orient itself by maintaining a fixed angle between its line of flight and the line to the sun. While this trait is a natural instinct past research data suggest that this feature of bees is somewhat tailored by experience.

However, the sun plays an even greater role in aspect of food gathering. The dance language, which bees use to communicate with each other, is also based on the location of the sun. When bees return from a food source, they perform a ``waggle dance'' on the vertical comb nearest the entrance to the colony hive.

The dancing bee makes a short, straight run while waggling its abdomen, then circles back and repeats this action several times. At this point the bee structures its dance so that the angle between the direction of the straight run and the ray opposite gravity is the same as the angle between the food source and the position of the sun. In this instance, dancing straight up means ``fly toward the sun,’’ straight down translates into ``fly away from the sun.'' Given this angle, other bees can then position themselves to the sun and locate the specific food source.

In the late 80s, Wolfgang H. Kirchner and William F. Towne proved the above with a robot honeybee. It had razor blades for wings, and tiny computer-controlled motors allowing it to copy the dance. It could sing the song with its razor blade wings, and execute the dance via its electric motors.

Real honeybees would ignore their robot razor blade honeybee, if it just performed the dance, or just executed the song. But when it did both, the real honeybee would obey the robot bee. The scientists could actually communicate to the rest of the colony. At this point the scientists had the ability to control the robot honeybee in a manner that would drive other bees out of the nest in any direction they wanted.

Is the reason that honey bees aren’t returning to their nest the same culprit for the mysterious deaths of birds across the world? Are the internal compasses of bees, birds and potentially other animals being thrown off kilter due to some unforeseen force affecting the sun?

Thousand of Birds Fall From Sky Over Australian Town:

Just a day or so before the Australia incident birds in Austin, TX fell from the sky.

Is this somehow related to the why the White House has tightened publishing rules for USGS Scientists. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16193443/



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I've been trying to follow this for a few months now. Strangely enough, I only hear anything about it on Coast to Coast interviews - they have had quite a few segments about it.

It only takes one season lacking pollination to miss growing quite a bit of food. And I don't know much about 'artificial pollination.' (I don't know if that is even possible; my impression is that the bees do work that we don't know how to do any other way).

So, what commodities do you recommend? Laughing

Thanks, Robert! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My yard and garden had no honey bees for about three years. Last year they showed up in small numbers. When I saw the first one I ran into the house and told my wife the good news. I hate to think they might be threatened again. We take so much of nature for granted, we just assume nature is going to continue to provide for us. Even though I'm allergic to bee stings the benefits bees provide is priceless.

One reason to be a member of breakfornews is the fact that members know what is of real value and you get a thread concerning bees.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The article stated
List of agriculture products that rely heavily on non-wind based pollination methods:


Alsike clover
Balsam pear
Arrowleaf clover
Ball Clover
Brussels sprouts
Berseem clover
Black medic
Cicer milkvetch
Crimson clover
Casaba melon
Grape(specific types)
Mung bean
Persian clover
Pigeon pea
Red clover
Rose clover
Maney sapote
Scarlet runner bean
Strawberry clover
Orange(specific types)
White clover
Passion fruit
Lima bean
Zigzag clover
Persian melon
Temple orange
Vegetable sponge
Welsh onion

not sure about the research here,is that the prune bush or the prune tree? Wink

and Neem was just to see how attentively you read my post Twisted Evil i'll defer to Kathy on that one.

Bornfree,thankyou for the image of you rushing into the house to tell your wife.Life is good.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:45 am    Post subject: Are GM Crops Killing Honeybees? Reply with quote

Are GM Crops Killing Honeybees?

The honeybee population may be in grave decline around the United States. This is a serious problem, as almost 100 crops need honeybees to transport pollen between flowers, prompting fertilization and jump-starting the production of seed and fruit.

However, there may soon not be enough bees to transport a sufficient amount of pollen, as a result of colony collapse disorder; this is the catch-all name that encompasses a myriad of possible reasons why the honeybees are disappearing, ranging from a new infection to a compromised immune system.

Some economists have estimated this single species is worth as much as $14 billion to the U.S. economy. Moreover, pollinated plants may account for as much as one-third of the average American diet, and possibly the healthiest portion of it.

A German study may have identified a simple answer to the problem: The ongoing blight of genetically modified (GM) crops. When bees were released in a GM rapeseed crop, then fed the pollen to younger bees, scientists discovered the bacteria in the guts of the young ones mirrored the same genetic traits as ones found in the GM crop.

New York Times March 2, 2007
The Detroit News March 1, 2007
Health Truth Revealed March 4, 2007

source: mercola.com

Dr. Mercola's Comment:

You are about to witness the first large-scale repercussions of the dangerous, world-wide, and unregulated experiment on your health with genetically modified (GM) crops. The problems that will result due to a loss of honeybees are much greater than a simple shortage of honey.

When this story hit the news a few weeks ago it is likely you heard about it, but very few people connected the dots, including me, until a few enlightened individuals pointed out the connection, and then the light bulbs clicked on.

The inevitable agricultural and economic catastrophe that will result is a stark reminder of how complex, fragile and interdependent our biosystem really is. The loss of one plant, one animal, one species can cause potentially devastating repercussions that can wreak havoc on the entire system for years, decades, or worse even permanently.

Genetic modification is, basically, playing fast and loose with this system, with no real idea what the results will be. It's taking parts out of a smoothly-functioning machine and replacing them with new, untried, and untested parts. Maybe they'll work better. But if they wreck the whole thing, there is no replacement. This is the only biosphere we have. Is it really worth the risk?

That is why it will be essential for you to take action and VOTE with your pocketbook. Avoid GM foods like the plague that they truly are. Recognize that they have the potential to destroy the human race. IF you realize that I am confident you will realize how serious this issue is and will act responsibly and appropriately.

On Vital Votes, Russ Bianchi from California comments:

"As I have previous posted, in addition to the very plausible scenario of GMO seeds and plant crops contributing to the killing off the primary pollinators to our entire food chain, BEES, for at least the last 25 years, the bees have been poorly managed, in the insipid and dangerous practice of forcing the majority of the bee populations in the USA to feed on High Fructose Corn Syrup, or other cheap refined sugars, when plant nectar, pollen, sap and other botanical and convertible materials are not available (mid and late summer, all of the Fall, all of the Winter and early Spring).

source: mercola.com
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another article. Interesting to note, the article was listed/linked on another financial analysis site (Bull-Not Bull http://www.bullnotbull.com/bull/). Perhaps there's hope the corporate movers and shakers will take note and amend their/our ways....

Source: http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,473166,00.html


SPIEGEL ONLINE - March 22, 2007, 06:21 PM

Are GM Crops Killing Bees?

By Gunther Latsch

A mysterious decimation of bee populations has German beekeepers worried, while a similar phenomenon in the United States is gradually assuming catastrophic proportions. The consequences for agriculture and the economy could be enormous.

Is the mysterous decimation of bee populations in the US and Germany a result of GM crops?

Walter Haefeker is a man who is used to painting grim scenarios. He sits on the board of directors of the German Beekeepers Association (DBIB) and is vice president of the European Professional Beekeepers Association. And because griping is part of a lobbyist's trade, it is practically his professional duty to warn that "the very existence of beekeeping is at stake."

The problem, says Haefeker, has a number of causes, one being the varroa mite, introduced from Asia, and another is the widespread practice in agriculture of spraying wildflowers with herbicides and practicing monoculture. Another possible cause, according to Haefeker, is the controversial and growing use of genetic engineering in agriculture.

As far back as 2005, Haefeker ended an article he contributed to the journal Der Kritischer Agrarbericht (Critical Agricultural Report) with an Albert Einstein quote: "If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man."

Mysterious events in recent months have suddenly made Einstein's apocalyptic vision seem all the more topical. For unknown reasons, bee populations throughout Germany are disappearing -- something that is so far only harming beekeepers. But the situation is different in the United States, where bees are dying in such dramatic numbers that the economic consequences could soon be dire. No one knows what is causing the bees to perish, but some experts believe that the large-scale use of genetically modified plants in the US could be a factor.

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Felix Kriechbaum, an official with a regional beekeepers' association in Bavaria, recently reported a decline of almost 12 percent in local bee populations. When "bee populations disappear without a trace," says Kriechbaum, it is difficult to investigate the causes, because "most bees don't die in the beehive." There are many diseases that can cause bees to lose their sense of orientation so they can no longer find their way back to their hives.

Manfred Hederer, the president of the German Beekeepers Association, almost simultaneously reported a 25 percent drop in bee populations throughout Germany. In isolated cases, says Hederer, declines of up to 80 percent have been reported. He speculates that "a particular toxin, some agent with which we are not familiar," is killing the bees.

Politicians, until now, have shown little concern for such warnings or the woes of beekeepers. Although apiarists have been given a chance to make their case -- for example in the run-up to the German cabinet's approval of a genetic engineering policy document by Minister of Agriculture Horst Seehofer in February -- their complaints are still largely ignored.

Even when beekeepers actually go to court, as they recently did in a joint effort with the German chapter of the organic farming organization Demeter International and other groups to oppose the use of genetically modified corn plants, they can only dream of the sort of media attention environmental organizations like Greenpeace attract with their protests at test sites.

But that could soon change. Since last November, the US has seen a decline in bee populations so dramatic that it eclipses all previous incidences of mass mortality. Beekeepers on the east coast of the United States complain that they have lost more than 70 percent of their stock since late last year, while the west coast has seen a decline of up to 60 percent.

In an article in its business section in late February, the New York Times calculated the damage US agriculture would suffer if bees died out. Experts at Cornell University in upstate New York have estimated the value bees generate -- by pollinating fruit and vegetable plants, almond trees and animal feed like clover -- at more than $14 billion.

Scientists call the mysterious phenomenon "Colony Collapse Disorder" (CCD), and it is fast turning into a national catastrophe of sorts. A number of universities and government agencies have formed a "CCD Working Group" to search for the causes of the calamity, but have so far come up empty-handed. But, like Dennis vanEngelsdorp, an apiarist with the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture, they are already referring to the problem as a potential "AIDS for the bee industry."

One thing is certain: Millions of bees have simply vanished. In most cases, all that's left in the hives are the doomed offspring. But dead bees are nowhere to be found -- neither in nor anywhere close to the hives. Diana Cox-Foster, a member of the CCD Working Group, told The Independent that researchers were "extremely alarmed," adding that the crisis "has the potential to devastate the US beekeeping industry."

It is particularly worrisome, she said, that the bees' death is accompanied by a set of symptoms "which does not seem to match anything in the literature."

In many cases, scientists have found evidence of almost all known bee viruses in the few surviving bees found in the hives after most have disappeared. Some had five or six infections at the same time and were infested with fungi -- a sign, experts say, that the insects' immune system may have collapsed.

The scientists are also surprised that bees and other insects usually leave the abandoned hives untouched. Nearby bee populations or parasites would normally raid the honey and pollen stores of colonies that have died for other reasons, such as excessive winter cold. "This suggests that there is something toxic in the colony itself which is repelling them," says Cox-Foster.

Walter Haefeker, the German beekeeping official, speculates that "besides a number of other factors," the fact that genetically modified, insect-resistant plants are now used in 40 percent of cornfields in the United States could be playing a role. The figure is much lower in Germany -- only 0.06 percent -- and most of that occurs in the eastern states of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania and Brandenburg. Haefeker recently sent a researcher at the CCD Working Group some data from a bee study that he has long felt shows a possible connection between genetic engineering and diseases in bees.

The study in question is a small research project conducted at the University of Jena from 2001 to 2004. The researchers examined the effects of pollen from a genetically modified maize variant called "Bt corn" on bees. A gene from a soil bacterium had been inserted into the corn that enabled the plant to produce an agent that is toxic to insect pests. The study concluded that there was no evidence of a "toxic effect of Bt corn on healthy honeybee populations." But when, by sheer chance, the bees used in the experiments were infested with a parasite, something eerie happened. According to the Jena study, a "significantly stronger decline in the number of bees" occurred among the insects that had been fed a highly concentrated Bt poison feed.

According to Hans-Hinrich Kaatz, a professor at the University of Halle in eastern Germany and the director of the study, the bacterial toxin in the genetically modified corn may have "altered the surface of the bee's intestines, sufficiently weakening the bees to allow the parasites to gain entry -- or perhaps it was the other way around. We don't know."

Of course, the concentration of the toxin was ten times higher in the experiments than in normal Bt corn pollen. In addition, the bee feed was administered over a relatively lengthy six-week period.

Kaatz would have preferred to continue studying the phenomenon but lacked the necessary funding. "Those who have the money are not interested in this sort of research," says the professor, "and those who are interested don't have the money."

Translated from the German by Christopher Sultan

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

""I'm allergic to bee stings ""

A bee will not sting you unless you are directly attacking either it or the hive.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well look at it this way. If it is GM crops killing the bees then they have just created a whole new industry.
GM BEE's Wink
I am sure Monsanto wouldn't mind producing them for us along with saving the copyrights.
If you think about it, if we just made GM everything then wouldn't we be right back in the same place we have started.Confused
God Human beings are dumb creatures Embarassed



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

please avert your gaze good people (hit the 'end' key if you are sensitive to bad language, unless of course you work for monsanto or other such organisation - in which case i'm talking to YOU), i'ma gonna swear...

you monsanto and other gm tinkering fuckers are the lowest bunch of total cunts on the face of the earth, please fucking die as soon as convenient (no, immediately), my sincere thanks, you lowlife-fuckwit slime ass-sucking scum cack-felching bitch shit horsepiss cock-brained miserable motherfuckers

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just got a quick reminder why this forum is the shii..

hey just think about it
A friend of mine is here and he suggested that
WHO cares about HONEY Bees? He said just give the problem to DUPONT and he bets that they could make a really harmful but great tasting Chemical Honey that we will all love. Great Idea!!! Surprised

Think of it this way then we all will be able to enjoy

GM Almond's
Alsike clover's
Balsam pear's
Arrowleaf clover's
Ball Clover's
Brussels sprouts's
Berseem clover's

Thank You SIR! Shocked

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beautifully worded Matt.

What DO you really think? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what do i really think Rusty ? hmmm...my real thoughts are thus, and could be summarised thusly: genetic modification is the sickest, lamest most pointless and mis-sold abomination to be shat in the face of nature, it represents (for those involved in its development) proof that some people despite their apparent 'intelligence' need firing into the sun without delay, it demonstrates with extreme clarity, that just 'cos the government whores'll let you do it, and simply 'cos it's 'possible', don't make it a clever idea...it amply shows that some people suffer in a state of simultaneously being hopelessly halfwitted whilst also cursed with a kind of functional intelligence, but one handicapped by the halfwitted dominant 'conscious' part, a sort of thought soup of a mind, with too much veg and too few croutons, a thick unpleasant skin and unhealthy and dour mental pallor - the gene modifier is accursed with a quasi-intelligence that leaves them open to easy manipulation, by similarly half functioning retrobrains, of the profit seeking and sucking variety...they're sick and they need help, not career opportunities

in brief: what i really think, is that to piss with nature in this way demonstates such an ingrown frontal lobe as to prove effectively, ones very own braindead status




shit for brains

the activity of the type of utter div who'd set fire to their own penis for the sake of a fifty bob note

to describe those who sanction and carry out these ridiculous activities as morons is to cast them too highly up the scale of stupidity

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