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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:59 pm    Post subject: AIDS cured with "murky brown concoction"? Reply with quote

Maybe its not just what they are taking...but what they are NOT taking

In Gambia, AIDS cure or false hope?

BANJUL, Gambia (CNN) -- At the only hospital in the capital of this tiny West African nation, a 3-year-old AIDS patient named Suleiman receives his daily dose of medication -- a murky brown concoction of seven herbs and spices served out of a bottle that once contained pancake syrup.

The boy is told a spoonful a day will make him better. His mother, Fatuma, takes the same concoction, as do several dozen other AIDS and HIV patients here. Adults take two spoonfuls.

"It's amazing," Fatuma says. "Two weeks ago, I was very ill, weak and couldn't eat without vomiting."

This has become the treatment for HIV/AIDS patients here since early January, when Gambian President Yahya Jammeh announced he had discovered a cure for the disease that has wreaked havoc across Africa. He made that announcement in front of a group of foreign diplomats, telling them the treatment was revealed to him by his ancestors in a dream.

His concoction has stirred controversy and anger among health officials who say the president's claims will bring false hope to the nation's more than 20,000 HIV/AIDS patients. They are also afraid that it could cause patients to stop taking the anti-retroviral drugs that have been proven to prolong life and improve quality of living.

One critic was Fadzai Gwaradzimba, the U.N. envoy to Gambia. She was abruptly kicked out of the country after saying on February 9 that patients should continue their normal treatment and that Jammeh's concoction be "assessed by an international team of experts."

"The U.N. system encourages all patients currently receiving anti-retroviral treatment to continue to comply with their recommended treatment regimens while the efficacy of the new treatment is being assessed," she said. (Read full statement)

The U.N. Development Program stands by the envoy's remarks. The World Health Organization has also been critical of Jammeh's treatment.

No formal medical training
Jammeh, 41, is a former army colonel who has no formal medical training. He wears white robes and carries a copy of the Quran with him in this mostly Muslim nation.

His degree is a high school diploma. But he claims his family has a history of healing people through traditional African medicine.

At the hospital in the capital, patients claim the president's concoction is making a difference to them.

Ousman Sow, 54, said he's been HIV-positive since 1996 and had been taking anti-retrovirals for the past fours years until he volunteered for this program.

Four weeks later, he said he's gained 30 pounds and feels like a new person.

"I am cured at this moment," he said.

Asked if he had any HIV symptoms, he responded, "No, I don't. As I stand before you I can honestly tell you I have ceased to have any HIV symptoms."

Patient after patient gave similar statements to CNN. But it was difficult to verify the authenticity of their testimony. The government claims to have scientific evidence, but it did not provide any to CNN.

Jammeh refused to speak to CNN for this report.

CNN also sought medical reports of the HIV/AIDS patients to see whether they are indeed on the mend. The material was not provided. The government would also not release the concoction to CNN for testing.

Gambian Health Minister Tamsim Mbowe, a trained physician with multiple medical degrees, defended the so-called herbal cure.

"I can swear, 100 percent, that this herbal medication His Excellency is using is working. It has the potency to treat and cure patients infected with the HIV-virus," he told CNN.

What does he have to say to skeptics?

"I will tell them, as a Western medical trained doctor with 13 years experience meeting different professors, meeting different colleagues of mine, I've seen His Excellency, my leader, coming up with herbal medications that are able to treat and cure patients with HIV-virus, which have been proven within all medical and laboratory parameters."

Health officials worldwide remain doubtful of these claims. Experts also say it's in places like Gambia that the poor and desperate will latch onto anything resembling hope.

"For a country's leader to come up with such an outlandish conclusion is not only irresponsible, but also very dangerous, and he should be reprimanded and stopped from proclaiming such nonsense," said Professor Jerry Coovadia of the University of Kwa Zulu Natal in South Africa.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it probably is not doing them any harm, certainly not compared to the Western 'anti-viral' drugs that are being forced upon the 3rd World.

Ousman Sow, 54, said he's been HIV-positive since 1996 and had been taking anti-retrovirals for the past fours years until he volunteered for this program.

Four weeks later, he said he's gained 30 pounds and feels like a new person.

If he's just 'HIV-positive', and hasn't got full-blown AIDS, then why should his weight be an issue here, if we're just talking about the effects of the disease?

Sounds like it's the toxic drugs that have been making him lose weight, and maybe he's been eating better now.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Two weeks ago, I was very ill, weak and couldn't eat without vomiting."

Could it have anything to do with the "HIV/AID$" drugs she might have been taking?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't cure a construct. :roll:
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Papadopulos-Eleopulos and her colleagues insist that AIDS in gay men results from drug abuse and repeated exposure to semen. Last month, the president of Gambia, Yahya Jammeh, disclosed that he had found a secret remedy for AIDS and asthma, and announced that he would begin to cure AIDS on Thursdays and asthma on Saturdays.
The Denialists The dangerous attacks on the consensus about HIV and AIDS by Michael Specter, New Yorker, March 12, 2007.

Jammeh is the dictator of a small country with 1.5 million inhabitants. Seems like a setup to smear serious dissidence (in this case the Perth group).
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:27 pm    Post subject: x Reply with quote

surely some of you posting here are familiar with the (various) theories concerning the origin of aides.

what is the most likely scenario? i made the mistake at work by blurting out it was manufactured in a military lab. now in general, this may be close to the truth as this is what's basically going on everywhere; chemtrails, toxic food yadda. that's why i actually let it fly...
was i far off?

another likely scenario is that it's just general toxic overload. that conditions are getting so bad now that immune systems are crashing.

i have'nt researched this but aides seem to be Contained to certain regions. that itself seems to be an indicator.....

i'm also aware that azt was doing more damage than good. another clue.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cure for any disease is not found in one pill or many pills. If the immune system is broken, pills alone will not fix it, changes have to be made in a holistic way, nutritional issues dealt with, basic hygiene issues addressed, avoidance of chemicals and habits broken.

People have become so dependent on the quick fix they do not realise or care about the long term effects on their immune system.

Is HIV the Cause of AIDS?

There is no proof that HIV causes AIDS. In fact, all the epidemiological and microbiological evidence taken together conclusively demonstrates that HIV cannot cause AIDS or any other illness. The concept that AIDS is caused by a virus is not a fact, but a belief that was introduced at a 1984 press conference by Dr. Robert Gallo, a researcher employed by the National Institutes of Health (NIH). (14)

HIV is a retrovirus, a type of virus studied meticulously during two decades of federal health programs that centered around the search for a cancer virus. The idea of contagious cancer was a popular notion in the 1960s and 70s. Since retroviruses have no cell-killing mechanisms, and cancer is a condition marked by rapid cell growth, this type of virus was considered a viable candidate for the cause of cancer. However, healthy people live in harmony with an uncountable number of harmless retroviruses; some are infectious while others are endogenous, produced by our own DNA. (15) Few, if any, retroviruses have been shown to cause disease in humans.

In the 1980s when the CDC began to direct its attention to AIDS, Gallo and other cancer researchers switched their focus from cancer to the newly identified dilemma called AIDS, and the same government scientists who led the quest for a cancer virus began to search for a virus that could cause AIDS.

On April 23, 1984, Gallo called an international press conference in conjunction with the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). He used this forum to announce his discovery of a new retrovirus described as "the probable cause of AIDS." Although Gallo presented no evidence to support his tentative assumption, the HHS immediately characterized it as "another miracle of American medicine...the triumph of science over a dreaded disease." (16)

Later that same day, Gallo filed a patent for the antibody test now known as the "AIDS test." By the following day, The New York Times had turned Gallo's proposal into a certainty with front page news of "the virus that causes AIDS," and all funding for research into other possible causes of AIDS came to an abrupt halt. (17)

By announcing his hypothesis to the media without providing substantiating data, Gallo violated a fundamental rule of the scientific process. Researchers must first publish evidence for a hypothesis in a medical or scientific journal, and document the research or experiments that were used to construct it. Experts then examine and debate the hypothesis, and attempt to duplicate the original experiments to confirm or refute the original findings. Any new hypothesis must stand up to the scrutiny of peer review and must be verified by successful experiments before it can be considered a reasonable theory.

In the case of HIV, Gallo announced an unconfirmed hypothesis to the media who reported his idea as if it were an established fact, inciting government officials to launch new public health policies based on the unsubstantiated notion of an AIDS virus. Some attribute these violations of the scientific process to the atmosphere of terror and desperation that surrounded the notion of an infectious epidemic.

The data Gallo used to construct his HIV/AIDS hypothesis were published several days after his announcement. Rather than supporting his hypothesis, this paper revealed that Gallo was unable to find HIV (actual virus) in more than half of the AIDS patients in his study. (18 ) While he was able to detect antibodies in most, antibodies alone are not an indication of current infection and are actually an indication of immunity from infection.

His paper also failed to provide a credible explanation as to how a retrovirus could cause AIDS. Gallo suggested that HIV worked by destroying immune cells, but 70 years of medical research had shown that retroviruses are unable to kill cells, and he offered no proof that HIV differed from other harmless retroviruses. In fact, all evidence to date conclusively demonstrates that HIV -- like all retroviruses -- is not cytotoxic.

The focus of questions about HIV quickly shifted from how it could cause AIDS to who found the now valuable viral commodity after Dr. Luc Montagnier of the Pasteur Institute in France accused Gallo of stealing his HIV sample. A congressional investigation determined that Gallo had presented fraudulent data in his original paper on HIV, and that the virus he claimed to have discovered had been sent to him by Montagnier. (19 Negotiations were conducted between the French and American governments to establish discovery and patent rights. (20 These ended in a compromise, with Montagnier and Gallo sharing credit as the codiscoverers of HIV and ownership rights to the HIV test. Montagnier has since stated that he does not believe HIV alone is capable of causing AIDS. (21

Since 1984, more than 100,000 papers have been published on HIV. None of these papers, singly or collectively, has been able to reasonably demonstrate or effectively prove that HIV causes AIDS. Although Gallo claimed that HIV caused AIDS by destroying the T cells of the immune system, 20 years of cancer research confirmed that retroviruses are not cytotoxic. In fact, there is still no evidence in the scientific literature demonstrating that HIV is able to destroy T cells, directly or indirectly.

Comparing HIV to Varicella Zoster Virus (VZV), the known cause of chicken pox, highlights some of the ways in which HIV defies rules of science and logic.
Is HIV the Cause of AIDS?

Top 100 AIDS Science Inconsistencies

All of the observations below can be substantiated by independent research. How long can the HIV=AIDS=Death dogma be maintained in the face of so many scientific cracks?

1. AIDS occurs in the absense of HIV (65, 87, a new medical definition (Idiopathic CD4+ T-cell lymphocytopenia) was therefore created.
2. HIV does not satisfy Koch's postulates, the criteria that must be met in order to prove that a microbe causes a disease (90)
3. Anti-HIV drugs, including protease inhibitors, destroy T-cells (4-10
4. Septrin (also called Septra, Bactrim, Co-trimoxazole) and anti-HIV drugs destroy mitochondria (11,12
5. The PCP (Pneumocystis Carinii pneumonia) fungus becomes resistant to Septrin (12
6. Recreational drugs (heroin, poppers, crystal met, ecstasy, cocaine) reduce CD4 cell numbers (13-18, 58, 66-68
7. HIV positive patients recover after they stop taking drugs (58 )
8. Recreational drugs cause AIDS-defining diseases (see table 7 of 58 )
9. Anti-HIV drugs cause AIDS-defining diseases (58
10. Anti-HIV drugs inhibit human enzymes (11
11. HIV positive Africans in dire poverty in Uganda and no access to anti-HIV drugs lived as long as HIV positives in the West who took anti-HIV drugs (33
12. There are no comparative studies of survival in HIV negatives and combo-free HIV positive heterosexuals with no other risk factors.
13. Only 38% of healthy long-term positives had ever used AZT or other nuleoside analogs compared with 94% of progressors (80
14. Decreases in AIDS cases preceded the introduction of new drug treatments (Dec 1995) by three full years (see fig. 6 of 106
15. Anti-HIV drugs have anti-microbial effects (49, 50, 10
16. The introduction of AZT did not cause a decline in the AIDS death rate (105)
17. In the only long term trial of AZT (The Concorde study) 172 participants died, 169 while taking AZT, 3 while on placebo (51
18. Nucleoside analog drugs suppress/destroy the bone marrow where all immune system cells are born (26, 32, 111
19. HIV+ children born to AZT treated mothers had a higher probability of developing severe disease or severe immunsuppression (53
20. "Drug holidays" recover immune responses
21. AZT caused the same transient increase in CD4 count in HIV negatives as in HIV positives (55
22. There are no controlled studies showing that AIDS occurs in the absense of all other possible non-HIV causal factors.
23. Long-living, healthy, drug-free HIV positives are mostly ignored by AIDS researchers
24. Apart from the early (fraudulent) AZT studies and the Concorde study no efficacy studies compare drugs with placebo
25. There are well documented, non-HIV causes for every AIDS disease
26. The incidence of AIDS-defining diseases among Western non-drug users has not been shown to exceed national backgrounds (58 )
27. Early AIDS coincided with the cumulative effects of unprecedented, intense use of volatile nitrite (poppers) as a aphrodisiac marketed almost exclusively to homosexuals (102
28. AIDS can be treated effectively without anti-HIV drugs (39-42, 112
29. On average viral load overestimates infectious HIV by a factor of 60,000 (21)
30. Even a PCR method that can detect 1 infected cell in 100000 found very little HIV DNA in HIV positives (23
31. HIV could not be cultured from people with a detectable viral load (19, 21)
32. HIV has never been properly isolated (20
33. After many billions of dollars of research effort over 20 years, HIV scientists still cannot explain how HIV causes AIDS.
34. After many billions of dollars of research effort over 20 years there is no vaccine and no cure, there are only toxic drugs
35. There was no increase in HIV seroprevalence outside risk groups in the UK despite record STD rates and teenage pregnancy rates (25
36. HIV DNA was found to be constant from the time of seroconversion but CD4 count continually went down (29
37. CD4 count goes down and viral load goes up while on the anti-HIV drugs.
38. AZT is hardly triphosphorylated by the body so it cannot possibly have an anti-HIV effect (30
39. AZT has no effect on HIV DNA but makes viral load (HIV RNA) go down (31)
40. Research throughout the 1970s showed that retroviruses do not kill cells.
41. The probability of heterosexual transmission of HIV was found to be very low (1 in a 1000 for male to female and 8 times less likely for female to male) (34
42. HIV antibody tests can give repeated false positives and seroreversions can occur (95-100, 114-116
43. HIV tests are sensitive to non-specific antibody binding
44. HIV tests involve an arbitrary dilution factor, everyone tests positive (because of non-specific antibody binding) if their serum is undiluted (104
45. All the proteins used in the HIV test are associated with retroviral genes that are found naturally (endogenous) in all humans (72
46. Endogenous retroviruses can generate immune responses in humans (73, 74
47. None of the HIV proteins tested for have been proven to belong to HIV (75)
48. There are over 60 different conditions, including pregnancy, that have been known to generate false positives on the HIV test (91
49. The Elisa, Western Blot and PCR tests for HIV all carry disclaimers nullifying their detection of HIV
50. The criteria for HIV-positivity used in the antibody tests varies between countries and between organisations within a country and can produce indeterminate (neither positive or negative) results (75, 109 The Western Blot HIV test, widely regarded as the most accurate, is not used in England and Wales because it is regarded as inaccurate.
51. The viral load PCR primers were found to be non-specific for "HIV" genetic sequences (35
52. The viral load test gives false negatives (36
53. The viral load test gives false positives (36, 113
54. The viral load test has low reproducibility (36-38
55. Direct measurements showed no correlation between viral load and CD4 count (43)
56. Many conditions cause reduced CD4 counts (86
57. CD4 counts between 200 and 300 have been observed in healthy HIV negatives (87)
58. There are no studies comparing CD4 cell variations in combo-free HIV positives (with no risk factors) and HIV negatives.
59. According to the AIDS establishment, a heterosexual AIDS "epidemic" of African origin started off in the West as a homosexual "epidemic"
60. In 1985 HIV incidence in Southern Africa was confined to homosexuals who had been to the US and those who had had sex with them (88, 89).
61. The USA was found to be the world's most sexually promiscuous nation (27)
62. Condoms (made from polyisoprene) have holes in much larger than HIV (28, 110)
63. Reducing STD incidence in Africa did not reduce the rate of HIV seroconversion* (101
64. Only a minute proportion of Africans have actually been tested for HIV, seroprevalence estimates are derived from extrapolations based on unrepresentative samples from maternity clinics.
65. In Africa a single positive ELISA test or even a single "rapid" (saliva/urine) test is considered proof of HIV infection, "proof" in the developed world requires a series of tests
66. HIV seroprevalence was found to be much lower in South African prisons than in the general population (1
67. The vast majority of African "AIDS patients" tested HIV negative (44, 45)
68. In "AIDS ravaged" Zambia since 1980 the population has increased and even the rate of increase in population has increased! (46
69. In "AIDS ravaged" South Africa many coffin makers are either doing a slack trade or have gone out of business (47
70. The total number of AIDS cases in Africa consists almost entirely of estimated cases rather than known, registered cases (54
71. PCP is the typical AIDS defining disease in Western adults but it is almost entirely confined to young children in Africa (2,3
72. There is no Western heterosexual AIDS epidemic
73. IVDUs who consistently used a clean needle exchange program were 10.2 to 22.9 times MORE likely to test HIV positive than non-users (48
74. Non-human primates "progress" to AIDS (SAIDS) much quicker than humans do (107
75. SIV does not cause SAIDS in wild primate populations (108
76. SIV seroprevalence is too low in wild primate populations to account for SIV resistance in these populations (22
77. SIV seroprevalence in captive SIV na´ve primate populations was found to be very low (22
78. Until the early 1930s many thousands of European men received transplants from chimpanzees and did not get AIDS (62
79. Uganda study showed HIV-positivity did not indicate a new cause of disease, only decreased mortality in HIV negatives (52
80. One thousand medical staff a year accidentally contract hepatitis from needles yet by 1998 there were no documented cases of surgeons or emergency medical technicians/paramedics getting AIDS, or even HIV, from occupational exposure (58, Table 16 of 106
81. All AIDS patients have lowered levels of glutathione, the major water soluble intracellular antioxidant (59, 60)
82. The antioxidant N-acetyl cysteine inhibits "HIV replication" (61
83. Reactive oxygen species are implicated in the induction of HIV expression and cell death (40
84. Treatment with oxidising, mitogenic*** agents is necessary for HIV "isolation" from cell culture (56, 57
85. Significant HIV replication was found to follow rather than precede AIDS defining disease (94
86. Low T-cell counts were shown to occur before HIV seroconversion and to predict seroconversion (92, 93
87. HIV-like genetic sequences have been found in the HIV negative human genome (63
88. Epitopes** of HIV regulatory proteins tat, rev and nef are expressed in normal human tissue (71, 116
89. Toxic intracellular stresses can create novel genetic sequences (64
90. HIV showed over 40% variation in an essential gene (protease) sequence within a single subtype (103
91. Foreign protein transfusions were found to be immune suppressive (79, 81, 84, 85
92. Hemophiliacs can have hypergammaglobulinaemia which can cause false HIV positive test results (69)
93. Up to 99.9% of HIV genomes in plasma may be defective (70)
94. Mortality in hemophiliacs began to increase in exactly the same year they began taking AZT (81, 82
95. The AIDS risk of hemophiliacs on AZT was 4.5 times higher, and mortality 2.4 times higher, than untreated controls (83
96. Infectious HIV (a delicate virus) does not survive the Factor VIII preparation process (76-78
97. HIV theorists have made incorrect predictions throughout the HIV era.
98. Corticosteroids and endogenous cortisol suppress cellular immune responses and cortisol destroys immature T-cells (24
99. Effective cellular immunity relies upon nitric oxide gas defence, see for example Eur. J. Immunol. 2002, 32(5 :1455-63
100. AIDS spreads non-exponentially, unlike infectious disease (58

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