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Ormond



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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 10:11 pm    Post subject: Bruce Springstein Reply with quote

I guess Bruce Springstein is possibly less appreciated by those outside America than those of us under house arrest here, but there once was an inspiring music tradition in America. Springstein has for most of his career tried to keep that spirit living.

The tradition I'm referring to is the folk music, the spirit of the old America of the people. His latest is a ressurrection of Pete Seiger songs.......and I mean the 50's 60's folk revivalist Seiger, not the one who did the 70's rock stuff.

Seiger is 84 now, but back in the early 60's before the Tavistock project Beatles washed the American Folk movement back to the discount rack, Seiger was reviving the songs of the Republic prior to the Civil War. Songs that were strummed in pioneer towns and nobody knows who wrote them.

Most Americans groan at the mention of these old songs, such as 'John Henry, the Steel Drivin' Man', as the folksy versions don't play well now.
Springstein has succeeded admirably in giving these early American folk songs the gritty punch they had all along. The are songs of a people undergoing struggle---against the encrouchment of 'big' technologies of their day....railroads, machines, industrialization.

During a time when the power of music to unite the common folk is at an all time low due to commercialization, I think Springstein has chosen a brilliant path. It's brilliant to not simply write songs against NWO or the war in Iraq, per se, but to ressurect the real energy of the perrenial battle against "the Man" and his soul crushing "big" whatevers. And for many of us in America, now humiliated and feeling weak and stupid that we've let our country be taken over by corporate crooks and shitty greed, it might just be inspiring. We need a groundswell of invigoration to remind us of what our great grandfathers would have done in a position like this.

Anyway, Bruce, Bravo.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 12:45 am    Post subject: Re: We will, we will, mock you. Reply with quote

[quote="stevensnell Wouldn't an affective anti-war track/sentiment involve a multilayered volunteer effort by the musicians and anti-war groups?[quote]

Steven I think you may be unwittingly falling for the "...feed the World,

let them know it's Christmas time..."
standard 'voluntary' charity

propaganda so watch out chump!

It's all been done before, per my last missive, and to no end whatever.

Entertainment is an industry, just that, an industry: a vertically-

horozontally-diagonally integrated, amoral, bottom-line focused

uberopoly. Industries do not do charity and they do not rock the

boat. Period. And what about the 'charities' and their heavy trading

positions on the global bourses (and Neil Young too no doubt, not to

mention the Lennon estate, The 'from band to brand' Rolling Stones...).

The rest of your points are charactertistically, dare I say it, most

entertaining. Remember: the revolution will NOT be televised on MTV.

atm: Cool
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stevensnell



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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monday, Morning all

I don't believe a large effort by musicians and anti war groups would be expensive. I think the assumption is that you need a large corporate name/brand/tv channel to get the message out so people will attend. I think events like the 'penny arcade expo', the make faire, and to a lesser extent some 'flash' mobs are good examples of minimum-to-nil advertising but a large community/word of mouth support.

I specifically meant a volunteer effort because I felt Live 8 was so bad I almost started corresponding with Mark Thatcher.

Examples of cheap music production vs. large popular support are DJ Dangermouse's 'Grey Album', the Kayne West Beach Boys mashup, and a few more I can't remember on monday morning.

I agree people don't want to be preached to, so the purpose would not be to 'inform' anyone or create public support for anti- war (that's already in its 3rd year). The aim would/could be to help those affected by it - baby steps. People want to help, we just need to create a no pressure outlet for their charity that doesn't include merchandising/branding OR wristbands. I was recently given a Good Gift, and that's the kind of effort I applaud. Basic but affective.

The good thing from our point of view is that we wouldn't contact 'celebrities' for endorsement. Obviously we'd need a initial pool of talent, but that doesn't have to mean U2 - it could mean your local folk band, DJ or keytar soloist. I'd rather see a few buskers with stickers pointing to the website than P Diddy trying to rock my vote. More Make Trade Fair hands, less Live8 wrist bands.

I saw this quote on a website this morning which I think applies here:

"The fact was I had the vision...I think everyone has...what we lack is the method" - Jack Kerouac.

I also think this will take years, so for the sociology-minded would be an interesting longitudinal study.

I agree with you about 'the boss' Ormond, although I'm not really a fan of his music. I thought folk music died the day Dylan went electric?

Thanks for the warning atm, I almost called sting. You might enjoy this matter of fact criticism of 'Do they know its christmas'.

Regards,
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littlematt



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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought you guys might like to hear my anti-war song.

http://bignurse.8088.org/music/not.mp3

10 points to anyone who gets the joke i make at the end!

you can read the lyrics on my myspace page.

http://www.myspace.com/mattakalittlematt

enjoy

littlematt

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

littlematt your track reminds me of nine inch nails.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 7:18 pm    Post subject: i hope thats a compliment! Reply with quote

did you like the words?
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 4:23 pm    Post subject: OMG!!! ITS BURNIN DOWN!!! Reply with quote

(yeah.. well weve been speakin out - Heres some)

http://www.myspace.com/washedupneverbeens

.. and dont forget to click the breathing graphic.. you guys will like where that goes...

<img src="http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/washedupneverbeens/ind1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting">
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Lyrics for "Peasants With Pitchforks"
PEASANTS WITH PITCHFORKS (C)2005 washedupneverbeens

WE'VE HAD IT UP TO HERE
YOU'RE ALWAYS TALKIN TRASH
WE ELECTED YOU
WE'RE GONNA KICK YOUR ASS

WE'RE GONNA BURN DOWN GEORGETOWN
TURN YOU MOTHERS LOOSE
WE'RE GONNA BURN DOWN GEORGETOWN
THE SCAFFOLD, THE HINGE
THE HOOD AND THE NOOSE
WE'RE GONNA BURN DOWN GEORGETOWN
COMON YOU PEASANTS WITH PITCHFORKS
COMON
BURN IT DOWN

WE WILL NEVER EVER PLAY GEORGETOWN
BUT THAT'S OK CUZ WE'D PUKE AT THE STENCH
OF THE TRAITORS AND THE BACKSTABBIN GRIFTERS
WHO CALL THEMSELVES "STATESMEN"
HA! - THEY'RE FROM HELL

MAMA DIDN'T RAISE NO DUMBASS
AND WE WONT FIGHT FOR YOUR DISEASE
WE AINT GONNA DIE FOR YOUR DOLLAR
AND OUR CHILDREN WONT BE FODDER FOR PERPETUAL WAR

WE'RE GONNA BURN DOWN GEORGETOWN
TURN YOU MOTHERS LOOSE
WE'RE GONNA BURN DOWN GEORGETOWN
THE SCAFFOLD, THE HINGE
THE HOOD AND THE NOOSE
WE'RE GONNA BURN DOWN GEORGETOWN
TURN YOU MOTHERS LOOSE
WE'RE GONNA BURN DOWN GEORGETOWN
THE SCAFFOLD, THE HINGE
THE HOOD AND THE NOOSE
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jerry Fletcher wrote:
I hate to sound consistently cynical, but...


Cynicisim is unfounded

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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marbles wrote:
Jerry Fletcher wrote:
I hate to sound consistently cynical, but...


Cynicisim is unfounded


Cynicisim is also toxic.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan played these guys: Itchy and Scratchy - Tell the Truth Nigger -

http://billstclair.com/blog/051012.html
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:57 am    Post subject: JBT Reply with quote

Songs like "Life Ain't What It Seems" "Somethings Got to Give" and "Money"by The John Butler Trio. Are all awsome tracks. Austraillian Independent artists making it pretty big. "somethings got to give has a pretty fnny video actually

Life Ain't What It Seems Lyrics

Strange as it may be
Sometimes life you know it ain't what it seems
It's like going to war to make peace
Sometimes life you know it ain't what it seems

Like the old man out there he lives on the streets
And now he's asking for a dollar off everybody he meets
Never knew he used to be a milloinare on wall street
Sometimes life you know it ain't what it seems

Just like that plane you're late for leaving without you
And now it changes all your plans and puts you in a bad mood
And the plane ends up crashing but at the time man you would not have a clue
That being late would be so good and life is strange this true

So sometimes life you know it ain't what it seems
Sometimes good presents come in bad wrapping
Strange as it may be
Sometimes bad presents come in good wrapping

Just like our Prime Minister with his new policy
Call the RFA he says he wants to save the old trees
You have a look at what he's come up with his business mates and you will see
That the man could not give a shit and some things ain't what they seem

Just like that environmental day sponsored by Shell
So we can all endorse the killing and go, go straight to hell
It's like Bunnings saying they're supporting your community
While they're chopping it right down and some things ain't what they seem

Oh I won't forget,
That everything, you know it's happening, happening for a reason
So there ain't no need, no need in worrying...
Just get your job done.

Strange as it may be
Sometimes life you know it ain't what it seems
It's like going to war to make peace
Sometimes life you know it ain't what it seems

money
Well I hope you find your way
Through every heart wrenching day
With all those shitty decisions that you make
Hell I know the games, I know the games you play

So do you think you got enough time
To open all of your uranium mines
Before yes you go and you poison us all
You know your profit man it's gonna take its toll

And I don't know who you are
I don't know where you come from
I just know it is to hell you're going cos
You pollute everything with you big business
And i know it's all for your money
Hell yeah, all for your money
All for your money
Tell me man it's all for your money

So go now you go and you rape this Earth
You take her for what you think she'd worth
But you take and you take and you take til there's nothing left
I don't call that business, I call that theft

So who do the Hell do you think you are
Why do you got to take things so far
You know you screw the Earth and then you look towards the stars
Tell me man why do you got to take things so far

And I don't know who you are
I don't know where you come from
I just know it is to hell you're going cos
You ruin everything with you big business
And i know it's all for your money

All for your money
Sweeter than honey
All for your Money
Tell me man can you eat your money
Tell me man can you eat your money
Cos that's what's gonna be left, that's what's gonna be left
So tell me man can you eat your money

Business man with your uranium mine,
will you gain a conscience
Politician man, there in your Government,
will you gain a conscience
Media man with all your newspapers,
Who lies must gain a conscience
Prime Minister with all our apathy,
will you GAIN A CONSCIENCE!

Somethings got to give
A little feeling in my gut that I get of late
When I think about these cats running the world with hate
I say: something's gotta give

Got the whole world fighting for the Texas Chief
Got a letter for you, got a letter for me
But the kettle's leaking like a sieve

There's a puddle on the floor
There's a puddle in the sky
The kettle's leaking so much man it's burning my eyes
Can't you just throw that damper out

On the subject of throwing stuff away
I know some deaf men who can't hear a word we say
No matter, No matter how loud we do shout

And I say...

Something's gotta give right now boy
Something's gotta give right now
Something's gotta give right now man
Something's gotta give right now

I was reading the newspaper just yesterday
Got the headlines reading God bless the USA
And I thought: God Bless Everyone

God bless the people in New York when they were attacked
God bless the children being bombed there in Iraq
God bless the goddamn junkie with a monkey on his back
God bless everybody under the sun

Cause the world ahead will end If we donít have love
Do your job and pay attention to God above
But eventually the only guarantee will be that the tea in your tank will run dry

Coz without love you know there aint no life
You can duplicate it and bottle it up all you like
But it doesn't mean you're gonna get another try
Get another try boy

Something's gotta give right now boy
Something's gotta give right now P-Yoo
Something's gotta give right now man
Something's gotta give right now

I Said..
Something's gotta give right now boy
Something's gotta give right now (Yeah)
Something's gotta give right now
Something's gotta give right now.....

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