2007: The Year of the Handgun?

[Rumpl4skn]

Over on the MM forum, I posted recently on one of the threads:

[Azoth]

here's some statistics (WC Douglass' newsletter) for a more objective view;

According to an article by Nathan Tabor that's been circling in the more conservative corners of the Internet since December of 2004, data compiled by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services points to both the relative safety of guns AND the relative hazardousness of conventional medicine.

According to the numbers:

* Some 700,000 physicians in the U.S. cause at least 120,000 deaths each year (it's actually closer to 300,000). That's one accidental death per year for every 5.83 doctors, according to the government. Compare this to...

* The 80 million U.S. gun owners collectively contribute to just 1,500 accidental firearms-related deaths every year. That's only one deadly shooting for every 53,300 gunslingers.

That means you're 9,142 times (53,300/5.83) more likely to be accidentally put in an early grave by a physician than a marksman!

Even when you heap in the numbers from all 16,000 homicides in a typical year (a surprising number of these are not committed with guns - and an amazingly low number are committed by legally owned guns), you're STILL more than seven times as likely to be killed by a doctor's mistake than by a gunshot wound from any source, even criminals.

Beyond this, Tabor's article cites survey data suggesting that, based on the number of times firearms were used to deter violent or invasive crimes over a five-year span, guns SAVE as many as 400,000 American lives per year. Which means...

If even one tenth of such encounters were destined to result in the death of a defenseless (read: gun-less) victim, that means that a handy firearm is more than 5 times as likely to save your live as to take it - by ANY external cause.

[Rumpl4skn]

Perhaps we should get those physicians to get together on one day of the week and have a mass-death-by-incompetance event. (Proceeds donated to charity of course.)

Maybe if we lose 900 people in the same wing of a hospital all at once, it will "shock and awe" like a dozen victims from a front-page school shooting.

[MichaelC]

Shoudl be obvious to everyone, but it unfortunately isn't.

How come Switzerland has not been invaded in 200 years?

Because it's citizens are armed to the teeth, that's why.

How come the Germans just walked in a took over Holland in 1940?

The whimpy dutch citizens had 0 arms.[/i]

[Dale]

I've been saying for some time that America will see (staged) gun massacre after gun massacre in the next few years to try and get the sort of gun control brought in after Dunblane (in Britain) and after Port Arthur (in Australia). You'll find a lot of information about gun massacres at the following website:

http://p197.ezboard.com/bsignofthetimes

[Rumpl4skn]

To the average Joe, the concept of someone in any way "managing" serial killings, school shootings, random mallshootings, etc., is beyond belief.

But, I always begin with this argument - do you find it at all palatable that anti-virus companies would enlist the services of hackers to write viruses, thereby keeping themselves in business? An interesting majority - at least lately, now that we are a computer society and most have experienced the orgy of PC viruses and other digital annoyances that exist - now agree that is a very believable scenario.

At which point I simply make the connection between a corporation engaging in unethical activity in order to improve it's bottom line, and govt's playing up phony external threats, and law enforcement playing up - or even enabling and assisting - phony internal threats.

In all cases, no one but a small faction of the entity in question has to be "in" on the scam. The majority of the worker bees simply have to react to the situations - they can be totally unaware that their superiors are putting them in harm's way for political advantage. All of the immoral machinations ocurr extramurally.

Sorry if this sounds obvious and remedial to people here, but this is my technique, and in many cases, it turns heads that had been cemented in one position for a long time. Like mine was.

And I've only been punched out once or twice.

[Azoth]

feel free to type some specifics.

[Rumpl4skn]

[Azoth]

'tis hard to pin things down. i'm not doubting you. tho i have also observed how certain astrological aspects bring out the gods. astrologers even end their projections with lines like, "watch out for interesting or outlandish stuff in the news this week".
but the psychological phenomenon called compartmentalization is quite the thing...

i was in a church where n when there was a drive by shooting. that surely got everyone praying (who was'nt before).

where did i see the line about the Swiss and the reason for their remaining neutral all this time? they said it was because they all had guns. i don't think that's that the reason...it's more about banks and or assets.

[Rumpl4skn]

[MichaelC]

Rumpl4skin speaks some truth.

It's not so much the official Swiss army that deters invaders, but the fact that the CITIZENS THEMSELVES are very well armed. I believe every household is required to turn in a certain amount of spent ammo every year to prove that they are keeping up their target practice.

And why do people seem to insist that it is their banks that protect the Swiss? Seems to me that that would just be an EXTRA incentive to invade and take over.

BTW, did anyone ever inform dimwit John Hinkley that Jodie Foster is a major, major, and very serious - 100% muff-diver?[/list]

[Rumpl4skn]

[Dale]

[Ormond]

[MichaelC]

Remember that WACO & BOSNIA were done under Clinton I.

So under Clinton II we can surely expect...........................

...some really really bad shit.