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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:39 pm    Post subject: The Sun and the Moon Reply with quote

As I mentioned in one of the early TreeIncarnation audios, the neglect by
mainstream science to examine the startling 'coincidence' that the Sun is
covered perfectly by the Moon during a total solar eclipse is the greatest
failure in modern science.

This topics is for examination of that issue.

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What is a solar eclipse?

The Sun, Moon and Earth form one of the most spectacular astronomical
events that can be seen, turning day into night. A total solar eclipse is one
of the most spectacular astronomical events. It occurs when the Moon
passes between the Sun and the Earth.

The Moon orbits our planet once every 29 and a half days. If you looked
at our solar system from above the Earth, you would see that during its
orbit the Moon passes between Earth and the Sun.

If you viewed the solar system from the side, however, you would see
that the Moon's orbit is not always in line with the Sun and the Earth.
That's why an eclipse doesn't happen every month.

Approximately once in every seven orbits the Earth, Moon, and Sun line
up, and a solar eclipse occurs.

The diameter of the Sun is approximately 400 times larger than that of
the Moon, but when you look at the Sun or the Moon from Earth, they
appear to be the same size. This is because the Sun is almost 400 times
farther away. A strange cosmic coincidence.

http://www.csiro.au/helix/eclipse/solar/whatis.html


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:41 am    Post subject: How many maps do we use? Reply with quote

This is a good summary of some interesting galactic math.

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Gravitational Bending Of Light
Einsteins GR theory predicts the bending of a light path due to distortion of the space time fabric near massive bodies. Einstein and most physicists like to visualise the spacetime fabric as a rubber sheet, which stretches down with the weight of the mass, and thus will change any light beam travelling along its surface. However, this is just a graphical explanation. One should note that Einstein is assuming a gravitational field that is pulling the mass down and stretching the spacetime fabric. In his analogy, gravity is built in the geometry of spacetime. Again, GR is missing a physical model for its admittedly correct prediction. Shown above, is the same effect, which bends a light beam travelling near a massive body, explained in terms of the EMRP gravity mechanism.

Assume a light beam is coming from a source hidden behind our sun. When the wave approaches the massive body of the sun, a pressure imbalance will start to take place because the energy densities and hence the radiation pressures acting on the incoming photons are no longer equal. On the outside, they see an incoming flow of direct ultracosmic radiation, whilst on the side facing the sun, they see an incoming flow of attenuated ultracosmic radiation. This will result in the photons being pushed down towards the sun's surface as they travel in the direction of earth. As soon as they pass over the shadowed region, they recover the energy balance, and keep going straight again. This energy density difference perfectly explains the distortion of the space time fabric in Einstein's theory, and one must admit that in this case, Einstein's imagination was very good, considering he did not have our EMRP model (or anything else) to physically understand what was going on.




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Experimental confirmation of variation in the speed of light


The first confirmation of a long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in 1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational field. He had proposed an observational test to check his prediction: bounce radar beams off the surface of Venus and Mercury, and measure the round trip travel time. When the Earth, Sun, and Venus are most favorably aligned, Shapiro showed that the expected time delay, due to the presence of the Sun, of a radar signal traveling from the Earth to Venus and back, would be about 200 microseconds more than it would if the sun was not present. Later on, using the MIT Haystack radar antenna, the experiment was repeated, matching Shapiro's predicted amount of time delay. The experiments have been repeated many times since, with increasing accuracy. This experiment had for the first time shown that the constants like c and G, assumed constants in Einstein's SR theory suffered local (or regional) in the proximity of massive bodies like the sun.

Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second place our result shows that, according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light varies with position. Now we might think that as a consequence of this, the special theory of relativity and with it the whole theory of relativity would be laid in the dust. But in reality this is not the case. We can only conclude that the special theory of relativity cannot claim an unlimited domain of validity ; its results hold only so long as we are able to disregard the influences of gravitational fields on the phenomena (e.g. of light)." - Albert Einstein (The General Theory of Relativity: Chapter 22 - A Few Inferences from the General Principle of Relativity)

When incoming ultra cosmic energy is shadowed, it will create an energy gradient, and pressure gradient, resulting in curvature of rays as explained for the gravitational bending of light. According to Einstein, a curvature of rays can only take place when the velocity of light is not constant over its path. (In fact it will result in local variations in G as well). In a way it's very similar to a ray of light passing from air into water. One can also explain it in terms of partial conversion of energy from the photons linear KE, into rotational KE during the curved path, which reduces the linear KE (and hence their velocity) when photons (or radio waves) approach the massive body such as the sun. Remember : "The special theory of relativity cannot claim an unlimited domain of validity" , so as long as there is the presence of a shadowing effect (ie. gravitational field), we can claim such variations without contradicting Einstein's own quotation, actually with his blessing. Hence in such cases, the speed of light will vary over its path. This will introduce the time delay noticed by Irwin Shapiro. This effect also sheds light on the reason for which distant galaxies seem to be receeding faster than nearby galaxies. They are not! Only the speed of light is changing due to the change in amount of shadowing and the change in G.





The title asks why our current clocks are 'un-natural' which is a common theme of rebuttal to any alternative ideas, but why there exists such defensiveness about a convention as old as the clock and the calendar?

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Why is the 12:60 timing unnatural?*

Earth & Moon Math:
• The Earth-Moon distance is 60 times the radius of the Earth.
• “12” is considered the most holy number of heaven.
• “7” is the most holy on earth
• “5” is the symbol of life in Sacred Geometry (fundamental to Phi-lo-Sophia) and connects 12 to 60 in an obvious way.

Related connections:
• 360 is obviously close to the number of days of the year;
• 360 can be divided evenly by all of the digits other than 7;
• 100 can only be divided evenly by 4 of the digits (instead of 8 digits for 360).
• 360 is also connected with 60
• 12 = # zodiacal signs
• 2x360 = 720 = 6! (i.e. 6x5x4x3x2x1)
• 3x360 = 1080 = radius of the Moon in miles
• 1080 = # of degrees in regular octagon
• 3x720 = 2160= Moon diameter
• 2160 = 25,920/12 or Precession of the Axes (25,920)
• 720+1080+2160 = 3960 = Earth radius in miles.
• 7! (7x6x5x4x3x2x1) = 5040 = Earth + Moon radii in miles
• 12!/8! = 11,880 = Earth radius + diameter in miles.
• These # all reduce to 9 (& 360).
• (13!/9!) - (12!/8!) = 5,280 = # feet in a mile

(*) It's not at all - to me the clock or calendar one uses serves a purpose, and therefore is not an 'either' 'or' proposition.


Questions wrote:
• We seem to feel there should be only 1 "way" to keep time or count the past - why?

• Who or what is threatened by / fearful of an alternative?

• So what? If these are superior calendars and time-keeping mechanisms that should be self-evident in no time at all.

• Those who claim to know better should therefore have nothing to worry about (assuming they claim all they know...).

Final Question: No matter the direction, purpose, method or reason to travel -
Do we insist all use the same map?

Is there only one (1) map for all to get where we intend to end up?

Imagine the conspiracies that must have existed before they "knew" where the land masses were, and whose maps were accurate, how to know who to trust?

How many Columbuses actually did "sail off the edge of the Earth"? (Or it was assumed because they simply never returned from such a dangerous undertaking, even with the best map!)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:30 pm    Post subject: Moon Has Iron Core, Lunar-Rock Study Says Reply with quote

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Moon Has Iron Core, Lunar-Rock Study Says

Brian Handwerk for National Geographic News
January 11, 2007

Deep down, the moon may be more like Earth than scientists ever thought.

A new moon-rock study suggests the satellite has an iron core. The findings add weight to the theory that the moon formed from debris thrown off when a Mars-size object collided with a young Earth (related: "Moon Derives From Earth, Space Object, Study Says" [August 8, 2003]).

This is the most positive evidence so far that the moon contains a core," said Larry Taylor, director of the Planetary Geosciences Institute at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville.

"It's looking more like a planet every day."

The moon's core could be a clue to its ancient origins, which have long puzzled astronomers.

"Our moon is too big to be a moon," Taylor said. "It's huge compared to the moons we see around other planets, so it has always been suspected that there was something strange in its origin."

The Big Whack

The leading moon-creation theory among astronomers is known as the "giant impact" or "big whack" theory.

An object about the size of Mars—half the size of Earth—slammed into our planet very early in its formation, the theory says.

"This impactor hit, and everything was thrown every which way," Taylor said. "Material was shattered, melted, vaporized, and thrown out into orbit. Some of that material condensed and aggregated into the moon."

It's believed that some of the impactor's remains became part of the moon, as did large parts of early Earth's mantle (the layer between core and crust), which were hurled spaceward.

Rock samples from NASA's Apollo 15 and Apollo 17 moon missions of the early 1970s have now shed more light on the moon's origins, according to Taylor and colleagues' study, to be published in the tomorrow's issue of the journal Science.

The group studied a type of lunar rock called mare basalt, which is believed to have been created deep in the moon's mantle and have retained signatures of that region. Mare basalt hails from vast, dark, flat areas of the moon's surface called mares. It is dense, dark gray, and likely formed from cooled magma.

Sinking Feeling

The moon rocks suggest that the lunar mantle is very low in elements that bond easily with iron, such as gold and platinum—like Earth's mantle, but with even lower levels of those elements.

"What happens during the formation of any terrestrial planet is that it undergoes a melting state early in its formation," Taylor said. "In that state you get the separation of metallic iron into a core."

When cores formed on Earth and other terrestrial planets these iron-loving elements were largely scavenged from the silicate mantle and transferred down into the metallic core, which would explain the relative lack of these elements in both Earth's mantle and the moon's.

"We must have had a core form [in the moon] to have [iron bonding] elements at the [low] levels we see now," Taylor said. "That's the same thing that happened on Earth, Mars, Venus, and Mercury—the terrestrial planets."

Though he doesn't discount this idea, Richard Walker, a geologist at the University of Maryland in College Park, sees a second option.

"It could be that the [amount] of these elements in the silicate portion of the impactor and the proto-Earth were quite low at the time of impact, so that when the moon formed, it simply did not contain a high abundance of the elements in question," said Walker, who was not involved in the study.

Earth's iron core can be identified through the measurements of sensitive seismographs scattered all over the planet.

During earthquakes these vibration monitors can help determine the content of the Earth's layers, based on how the movement of those layers effects waves passing through the planet.

Seismic equipment on the moon is not sufficient to recover such information, though moonquakes commonly occur.

"In the case of the moon, we've never been able to find distinct evidence for [a core]," Taylor said, "although we've always had our suspicions."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/01/070111-moon-core.html
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Their science is useless because it has no meaning but going after the physical.

In some metaphysical systems the sun and the moon as well as the earth represent particular things.

The sun is theory, as the moon represents actions, then the earth represents the result of our actions that are based on the theory.
It is a system of how reality works:

Solar knowledge is theory
Lunar knowledge is action
Earthly knowledge is alchemy.


The moon eclipsing the sun is the perfect symbol of the person’s actions in the attempt to practice the theory of the sun.
Remember this: practice (MOON) eventually ALLWAYS must eclipse theory (SUN) if the earth (results) is to be attained.


When we practice an art, science, religion, or whatever IT IS ALWAYS BASED ON A THEORY, OTHERWISE IT IS USELESS.

THAT’S WHY THE Sun, moon and the earth for billions of years have been dancing the celestial dance of the cosmos indicating this existential reality of being.

But yet man can only understand the physical, that’s why he is blind.

Look for meaning, and learn.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im am not sure I believe the Earth collision theory. I would highly recommend the lecture giving by Drunvalo Melchizedek where he talks about sacred geometry and also about the size of the moon which is no coincedence he says. That the moon has this size has to with sacred geometry he says.

Drunvalo Melchizedek - Sacred Geometry 1 of 2



Drunvalo Melchizedek - Sacred Geometry 2 of 2
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As I mentioned in one of the early TreeIncarnation audios, the neglect by
mainstream science to examine the startling 'coincidence' that the Sun is
covered perfectly by the Moon during a total solar eclipse is the greatest
failure in modern science.


Fintan- as I understand it the moon is moving away from the earth albeit very slowly. At one time it was bigger than the sun as it was closer to the earth and in the future it will become smaller.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Janama wrote:
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As I mentioned in one of the early TreeIncarnation audios, the neglect by
mainstream science to examine the startling 'coincidence' that the Sun is
covered perfectly by the Moon during a total solar eclipse is the greatest
failure in modern science.


Fintan- as I understand it the moon is moving away from the earth albeit very slowly. At one time it was bigger than the sun as it was closer to the earth and in the future it will become smaller.


Precession of the Equinoxes is the 'secret' they are trying to hide.
http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/category/greek-astrologers-and-nazis-had-king-solomon-in-a-knot/

I agree Fintan, empirical science has incarcerated the metaphysical truth and hidden it away from the collective of humanity.
Good example is hatha yoga.

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The origins of hatha yoga have been traced back to the eleventh century A.D. The Sanskrit word ha means "sun" and tha means "moon," and thus hatha, or literally sun-moon yoga, strives to balance opposing parts of the physical body, the front and back, left and right, top and bottom. Some yoga masters (yogis) claim that hatha yoga was originally developed by enlightened teachers to help people survive during the Age of Kali, or the spiritual dark ages, in which Hindus believe we are now living.



And the best calender makers...the Maya and Sumerians were both Sun and Moon worshipers...
The Maya/Sumerian/Chinese used the heavens for divination.
In the eyes of the Vatican...divination by mortal men is blasphemous.

Is it coincidental that Vatican who are rumoured to be pagan Sun worshipers have no obvious moon symbolism?
Unlike Judaism (Passover), Passover is the birth of the first New Moon to mark the beginning of the Hebrew calender...how important is the moon?
And for Islam their new year begins around Passover.

Hmm

Old testament Judaism believes after you die your soul passes through the moon...
So why the rush to get to the moon ... something hiding on the dark side?
Wink

Ask the Vatican why they keep moving the death of Jesus around every Easter / Eostre?
Why does the death of Jesus and his resurrection keep following the Moon around ... eh?

Fintan the neglect by mainstream science to examine the startling 'coincidences' regarding the sun can be blamed on the Vatican who controlled science and art very early on....and the Church using science lead us OUT of Eden and eventually to a theory called the Big Bang.

Something both Carl Jung and me picked up on.
History of science credits Hipparchus with the discovery of Precession of the Equinoxes 200 years AFTER Plato died.
But Plato made reference to Precession or the Great Year himself.
As a matter of fact...Precession was called the Platonic Year long before science / church renamed it.
History later became HIS story.


Where HIS = IHS

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IHS = A common Christogram based on the first three letters of "Jesus" in Greek (Ίησους, Latinized IHSOVS); featured in the seal of the Society of Jesus (Jesuits)


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

U.S. scientists unveil NASA’s secrets about constructions on the Moon

The former manager of the Data and Photo Control Department at NASA’s Lunar Receiving Laboratory during the manned Apollo Lunar Program, Ken Johnston, has released quite a number of sensational statements recently in the USA.


The specialist said that U.S. astronauts found ancient ruins of artificial origin and a previously unknown technology to control gravitation when then landed on the Moon. Astronauts took pictures of the objects that they found, but NASA ordered Johnston to destroy the images. Johnston did not follow the order. He said that the U.S. government had been keeping this information a secret for 40 years.


NASA Mission Apollo 16 . Photo on Approach to the Moon. The mission was composed of astronauts Ken Mattingly, Charlie Duke and John W. Young. On the film can be observed a dish like unidentified flying object while Apollo 16 approaches to the moon.

The low quality pictures included in the book depict ruins of buildings, constructed objects and towers.

“I have nothing to lose. I have quarreled with NASA and I got fired,” Ken Johnston said.

Indeed, NASA believes that allegations of the ancient civilization found on the Moon are not serious. The authors of the controversial book also say that President John F. Kennedy, who launched the lunar race with the Soviet Union, actually intended to share extraterrestrial technologies with Moscow. Making a speech at the United Nations Organizations in September of 1963, Kennedy supposedly offered the USSR to organize a joint mission to the Moon.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

puffdaddy wrote:



[size=18] Astronauts took pictures of the objects that they found, but NASA ordered Johnston to destroy the images. Johnston did not follow the order.



What a stupid post.
Where are the images?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raphael wrote:
puffdaddy wrote:



[size=18] Astronauts took pictures of the objects that they found, but NASA ordered Johnston to destroy the images. Johnston did not follow the order.



What a stupid post.
Where are the images?

namaste


forgot to add...

what are you puffin' on...?
better than my shit...

yours shit makes you see and hear shit eh?
I just smoke shit and the illusions go poof, puff

namaste

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's tough. Been clean now for 24 days..It was a pretty stupid post wasn't it? Sorry about that. I was bored.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

puffdaddy wrote:
It's tough. Been clean now for 24 days..It was a pretty stupid post wasn't it? Sorry about that. I was bored.


no problem amigo.
I have written a few memorable posts myself.
forever recorded....

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