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Nat
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could be, Obey, but what i meant by that comment was, assuming you can use water as described to me by him, or indeed some other way, the profit situation would be a problem for the energy companies who would not approve of a halving in use of fossil fuel...finance and profit as in they'd get a right caning
it is interesting that despite a single flame front probably being sufficient, second (or more) sparks are often desirable...i'm not sure exactly how in the end, water might work for combustion, or indeed if there are several ways - which would be best
interesting to note also, that a local chap down the road from me who used to produce biodiesel has now stopped because the gubment are taxing biofuel too harshly...so much for fears over the environment...fears for loss of revenue seem closer to a tipping point, eh ? |
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Ozregeneration
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Nat
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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hey Oz 
i very much welcome your input and appreciate your no baggage openness to viewing information sources equally...i had a look at the linked sites, but i have to say i was a little befuddled by them !...not too much actual detail being freely given out, the video of the electrolysis was interesting, looked like a large amount of gas being released, but...
i do have some doubts, not about your sincerity for a moment, but about the sincerity of the site operators, that's not to say i'd rule them out, it is to say, however, that without being able to see the nitty gritty of the process elaborated upon it is difficult to accept the veracity of its effectiveness
i know i'm fixated upon this other way of getting hydrogen/oxygen, other than by electrolysis, but i have this deep gut feeling that compression and/or vapourisation is the way to go...having said that, if the methods used in the sites you link work, then we'd be nuts to ignore them, i just have a very half baked knowledge of this stuff, but that does serve me surprisingly well, i think someone said something like "knowledge is a prison"...if they didn't, i'm calling it as my own 
the electrolysis method raises some interesting points however, even if ultimately it is NOT possible to electrolytically get useful quantities of hydrogen outside of some large factory (which in all sincerity i doubt, i do believe that it is within the realms of possibility to produce fuel in this manner, perhaps not on a 'just in time' basis in a vehicle, but certainly in localised, non centralised mini-plants) - electrolysis methods of extracting the constituents of water are a valuable precedent for the potential use of water
i do feel strongly that a process whereby the end output (say, reciprocating energy production in an internal combustion engine) also supplies the input (the heat in the engine - and the pressurised cycle combined with ignition or other catalysing process) is the preferable route to go by...electrolysis on the other hand appears to me to be high energy intensive at the input stage, without the opportunity to combine the in/out symbiotically - which is crucial in my opinion...hence my belief in the use of some variation of internal combustion engines in this process |
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Ozregeneration
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| matt wrote: | i very much welcome your input and appreciate your no baggage openness to viewing information sources equally...i had a look at the linked sites, but i have to say i was a little befuddled by them !...not too much actual detail being freely given out, the video of the electrolysis was interesting, looked like a large amount of gas being released, but...
i do have some doubts, not about your sincerity for a moment, but about the sincerity of the site operators, that's not to say i'd rule them out, it is to say, however, that without being able to see the nitty gritty of the process elaborated upon it is difficult to accept the veracity of its effectiveness |
Greetings Matt,
I'll just keep passing it on. As I've mentioned previously, at the moment I am not investigating these ideas myself and forward any information that comes my way without it first being vetted. I figure if I haven't been previously exploring what is already out there then I feel it is hard for me to make a judgment one way or the other. 
Regardless what others have said about the Joe Cell, I still believe that there may be something in that. I will be keeping in contact with people here who are researching it and will pass on anything which may be of interest.
Cheers
Oz
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Nat
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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i appreciate it 
please keep forwardin' Oz |
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noplacebo
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:33 pm Post subject: energy from water |
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| hello, i have been following your thread on energy from h2o, and it seems that water being so fond of anomalies, mainstream havent yet got to the bottom of this yet for us.mmm just like lots of things ,anyway i was wondering if you have read anything of a pioneer in the nature of water called victor schauberger . there is a book of his theories (of which every one now is borrowing)called living energies by callum coates. also you will find interesting this unexplained energy from water device, that is in commercial production, you can google this , directorycavitation heaters-peswiki. i hope i have been of help. |
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Nat
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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hi Noplacebo
i'm vaguely aware of Schauberger, really only heard of the
name...thanks for the info, i'll try to find out more about 'cavitation
heaters' (?), they sound interesting
thanks |
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