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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:59 pm    Post subject: Episode 8: Immortal Rememberance - How immortality works! Reply with quote



Discovered: How Immortality Works!

Immortal ReMemberance

It's one thing, to talk about immortality in general terms: some kind of
undefined zone where consciousnes can survive death. It's another thing
entirely to have uncoverd the actual mechanism of immortality within a
working model of how the univese works.

That's exactly what we've discovered! Just minutes after finishing the last
audio with Justin Lawless on the work of Buckminister Fuller, in a sudden
flash of inspiration. Wink

Based on the insight's already uncovered in previous TreeIncarnation
episodeds, combined with one of Fuller's key meta-structures, it's a
precise means wherby we ensure our immortality as we carry each
other forward through time.

Audio Mp3
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DSL mp3
http://www.treeincarnation.com/audio/TreeIncarnation070117a.mp3

Dialup mp3
http://www.treeincarnation.com/audio/TreeIncarnation070117.mp3

Including Graphics by Justin & Music tips by Matt

Show Graphics
http://www.treeincarnation.com/audio/ImmortalReMemberance.htm



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

May I again congratulate you on a beautiful and immortal installation of the TreeIncarnation series. Intuition and sycronicity led me to this site and to study these topics to begin with, and precognition of a future with a 'new science' at its core coupled with a vague, but growing, rememberance of the fact that perhaps all this has been known in previous ages, creates a resonance crucial to my "new" understanding of the mechanics of the human machine and its psyche, and also my search for the footprints of a past that may guide us with more accuracy towards some kind of omega point.

The idea that the human body is capable of so much more than we can currently imagine, and the successive integration or installation into our "OS" of a knowledge aquired in the reseach of this idea, may be what triggers or activates a host of new attributes dormant in human evolution thus far. As we gradually learn that our bodies can withstand and eventually thrive in new modes of existence, we can gradually increase the "current" of input and the new "amperage" will jolt us to new levels of understanding and operative perspective. Like the brain under induced or otherwise altered states grows new neural pathways to support a new carrier frequency and thus increasing the processing power and facilitating the "transportation" of "profound" information, the aquisition and rememberance of the sacred (read natural) knowledge/software will perhaps conceptually connect and activate dormant parts of our brains where "archives" of knowledge lost may be stored and where more efficient tools for further transcendence will avail themselves to our process of eveloution and ease the transition beyond the maya of the current reality and reduce the number of steps necessary to cross the quagmire of our post-modern non-participatory trance.

We are ready for the alternative, but it is not the opposite of what has been, it is an alternative of transcendence where we go further inwards and outwards than perhaps ever before. What Fintan outlines in this series has been an immencely important fundament and framework for my exploration. I "disagree" though that it is not practical in its currently presented form; a simple silent visualisation of the abstract concepts presented borders on a Merkaba-like kind meditation, and in itself contributes to a growing understanding. It still baffels me how when things become more "complex" they gradually appear more simple if the system manages to integrate the concepts without breaking down or tuning out. But it is important to know when to move fast ahead and when to linger and explore, to paraphrase Italo Calvino's ideas on the art or writing.

Sorry for rambeling...Wink Just writing down the bones... (red-hot pen resting in a glass of water)

Great stuff, Fintan!

All the best.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you're really on to something Fintan. Beautiful work. I really want to look more into Buckminister Fuller, who I'd heard of but knew little about until your last podcast.

One thing I'd love for you to clear up for me is the relation of other planets to the Supermind. Am I right in saying that, in your view, the planet earth and everything on it is expanding out from the center of the earth? Do I have that right? So is this the only mastermind in the universe, so to speak, and all of outer space is this Mind's projection? Or or there other Superminds that are equal to the earth? I've been trying to understand where you are coming from on that. Is the universe geocentric, in your opinion?

The 12 surrounding the one: I've always wondered if the people of the past understood what you are talking about. Was this known and forgotten, or surpressed, or are we coming upon a totally new understanding? As soon as you brought up the 12 surrounding the 1, I immediately thought of Christianity....Christ surrounded by his 12 disciples. The authors of the gospels had a lot of wisdom, but it's always hard to tell what they knew because they prefered to clothe their knowledge in allegory and myth. They definately believed that some numbers and relationships of numbers were sacred. It's not commonly noticed that none of the gospels mentions all the names of the 12 disciples -- this is further evidence that the disciples weren't historical figures, since their names were not important. What WAS important was the symbolism of the 12 surrounding the one, and the dying and resurrecting of the one. Perhaps this was a symbol of the very rhythm of life and death for all of us. And so what did the original Christians mean by salvation? What is being saved? Perhaps some of those early Christians had first hand experience of reclaiming their past life memory, and remembering that death was not the final end, and that by remembering they realized their immortality.

I'm also amazing at how wise Plato was. So many physicists today think that Plato's ideas on atomic structure are quaint and ignorant. He believed that the smallest structures that make up the physical world were the tetrahedron, the cube, the octahedron, the dodecahedron, and the icosahedron, which are now called Platonic solids. A modern physicists will say that's silly, because we know that atoms are point particles! But Plato knew something...how he knew, who knows, but we are returning to his way of thinking. The world is made up of these little shapes....but they are not like hard little children's blocks bouncing around, these Platonic solids describe the natural geometry of space. Specifically, the vertexes, or points, of these shapes are the NODES of 3D spherical waves of vibrating space. Said another way, if you connect the parts of the standing waves that don't move with straight lines, you get these Platonic shapes.

This fellow has done a lot of work on this:

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-p-solids.asp

I'm still trying to work my way through his website which has a lot of great stuff.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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urbanspaceman: One thing I'd love for you to clear up for me is the relation of other planets to the Supermind. Am I right in saying that, in your view, the planet earth and everything on it is expanding out from the center of the earth?

Thanks for your positive comments. Smile

The Supermind --on whose surface we live-- is the Primal Sphere.
If ever there was a case of "seen one-seen 'em all", this it it! It defines
"Spericality", and sphericality manifests throughout the Universe.

So in a meaningful way we can consider that the Sun, the Earth and the
solar planets and Moon are co-existent within one spherical system.
But at different levels -like layers of an onion. The relationship of these
layers to each other is numerical/mathematical/musical/harmonious.

But this inner musical relationship between the Supermind surface and
it's own core appears in manifest as an external rotational relationship.

So the Sun appears as a separate distant sphere about which we rotate.

Whereas it is "really" located within the Earth/Supermind.
(Thus the Earth's hot molten core, representative of the Sun below.)
The inside of the Supermind is like a hot Sun. Radiating it's huge
primary Data content as light.

So, imagine you are on the surface of the Supermind and you look
towards the center. You see a sphere of blinding light of data.
About which you are rotating.

Now suppose you look away from the center. You see a sphere of
reflected Solar light, which is rotating about You! The sphere we call Moon.
It's a different kind of rotation though. You never get to see the back of
the moon!! It's rotating like a mirror. That's not true of any other
celestial body. So the Moon is special. It's the outer surface of the
Supermind viewed from the outside. A pale reflection of the Sun within.

On a similar basis the other planets in the solar system are shells within
shells in the layers of the Suypermind.

One final point. Yes in a meaningful way the Supermind can be considered
expanding. But from another perspective, it is standing still but just
increasing it's data content per unit of surface measure.

What I have written is just sratching (badly) at the surface of
a comprehensive explanation, but I hope it helps for now.
Until I can do an audio and have some good graphics.

As to the issue of other distant intelligences, I've no evidence that this
is anything other than the product of the fertile imaginations of Asimov
and the psyop boys at the agency. Nor have I yet evidence it's not.

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urbanspaceman: The 12 surrounding the one: I've always wondered if the people of the past understood what you are talking about. Was this known and forgotten, or surpressed, or are we coming upon a totally new understanding?

I think this 12 around 1 is expressing as Jungian archetypeal structures.
It's a core structure that kept expressing in different symbolic ways.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole series has been a paradigm shifter for me. Each new one begins to make more sense to me now.

Conditioning is hard to crack, but it's realizing there were fallacies installed somewhere----those interlopers, Church and State------makes it possible to shed the illusions they sold us. A long memory helps--I think I was much closer to an unspoiled perception of 'reality' at four, before the conditioning in the standard fallacies began in school and church--and television. I'm thinking now that long ago some control freaks got the notion to co-op the keys to immortality so as to give the impression that they 'own' them.

I remember those who've passed that I knew often. I've always done it on purpose often, too. From an instinct that we should do that. It's invocation--someone's never lost when remembering. I don't remember 'scenes' or memories of things that happened so much as just that person.

I can't grasp where they are, how this works as you've described it in this latest audio. Each one of these audios has streched my understanding and take severel listenings to sink in.

But one thing I'll say here is that I've always felt there's more than mere memory--the replaying of a tape, so to speak---that happens when we remember someone passed. It's not like a memory, for an instant it's like they're with you.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:32 pm    Post subject: Keep it comin' Reply with quote

You've just opened a can of worms with this audio Fintan, and judging
from your post above, you've now opened another 10 Laughing

You picked up on so much info in the audio, it's an exellent achievement.
Theres so many 'points' of interest I dont know where to start Smile

On the this whole death thing, it's clearly in evidence from our
understandings of death that theres this permitted ignorance in the
cultural pysche about it. Like you say Fintan, it's the ultimate heracy
to even explore what death is in our culture, why?? because thats the
weak spot of the whole show, if humanity found out that he was immortal,
the entire death cult would be out of buisiness.

We really do have cultural blinders on in relation to life and death, even in
the most general terms. Like the point you made in a recent
treeincarnation audio about the heat of the person being associated with
the life, and not the body itself, it's spot on. When you ask the question,
just what is life, you can't actually find anything at all in the physical
makeup of things that you could call life. Scientific rationalsim seems to
suggest that life is some kind of steam-like substance given off from
living creatures, conciousness being the by product of a mechanical,
physical machine. But at a very real, scientifically proveable level, theres
nothing at all to differentiate the physical make-up of living beings and
the make up of non-living 'matter', they're both made of the same
fundamental component (atoms).I suppose im just saying in a roundabout
way that, what we mean when we say 'life' should not be confused
with the physical, that which is measureable and weigheable. Life is
weightless, metaphysical and as such, does not have a beggining or end,
it's that interplay between the limited discontinuity of the physical and
the unlimited eternality of the metaphysical.

Also love the whole increase in data and information growth rate, thats
the invisible reflection of the entropic effects we see all around, we can
only see due to the energy dispersing, chaotic entropy, this is why
negentropy or syntropy cannot be seen in the same way. But the principle
is evidenced by the fact that in the known universe the only place that
begins to 'order' that 'chaos' so to speak, is right here on earth, it's the
only known turning point of the entropy of the entire universe. Right here
we've got everything from the chemistry of water, the photosynthesis of
the flaura to the DNA istelf, getting more and more advanced ways
to store energy/information, life itself is this principle of acting against the
wasting away of entropy and the most syntropic system in the universe
are us humans, with our weightless minds being able to gather
information in order to solve problems, through understanding those
eternal (weightless) principles operating in the universe.

Again, just like with the issues of life and death, we're still very much in a
kind of conditioning to not talk about these kinds of (obviously relevant)
things, the kind of things we've learnt about humanity and how special we
really are. Theres a kind of attitude still there which reflects death cult
idealogies, it's the attitude of humanity being a virus on the earth, a
burden on the planet or a kind of freak of nature. The evidence thats all
around us is telling something very different, but we've been conditioned
to think of humanity as the epitomy of sin and inherintly evil. wow, Have
they really got it screwed up or what? LOL

Also, got a few interesting tidbits on this 12 around one thing , e.g. notice
that the human body has twelve major points of articulation, two ankles,
two knees, two thighs, two wrists, two elbows, two shoulders but none of
these joints are as flexible as the one which they all 'surround' i.e, the
head/neck. I also found that through the technical definitions of what we
call a starsign, there are actually 13 in total. Theres this character called
Ophiuchus 'the Serpent Bearer' who has some interesting symbolic
meanings, this is where we get the Caduceus from, theres also a lot of
correlation with this and other ancient mythologies, worth checking out
IMO.


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The constellation Ophiuchus the Serpent Holder takes its storyline directly from the Greek God of Medicine Aesclepius who, while in the process of bringing Orion The Hunter back to life following an accident, was struck and killed by a thunderbolt hurled at him by Zeus, God of the Sky and Earth. It seems Zeus' brother Hades, God of the Dead, was alarmed at the prospect that Aesclepius' abilities might soon put him out of work. So he prevailed upon his brother Zeus to intervene in the matter. Blood of the Black Brotherhood being thicker than water (Politics vs. Morality), Zeus complied with the dark brother's request and dealt the death blow.
http://www.startistics.com/ophiuchus/index.html


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The Astrological Lore of Ophiuchus: Ophiuchus was better known in classical times as Asclepius, [in Latin, Aesculapius] the God of Medicine. He learnt the art from Chiron, the Centaur. On either side of Ophiuchus in the heavens lie the two parts of the sign of the serpent he holds, Serpens Caput, the Serpent's Head and Serpens Cauda, the Serpent's Tail. The twined serpent staff is the badge of the medical profession to this day. [However, the sign of the serpent itself does not form part of the Real Solar Zodiac, though it does from part of the Planetary Zodiac.] It is from the Serpent that Ophiuchus learnt the secret of the Elixir of Life.
http://www.geocities.com/astrologyconstellations/ophiuchus.htm




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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:34 pm    Post subject: Mailbag Reply with quote

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Ormond: The whole series has been a paradigm shifter for me.
Each new one begins to make more sense to me now.

Glad to hear that dude. I LOVE Information Liberation. Smile
And I have had some feedback reflecting your experience.

Plus.... You ain't seen nuttin' yet Wink

I had to lay groundwork first, is all.
Stay Tuned....

Anyway, here's some comments from the recent mailbag.

Quote:
I have just come across your website and realise how much I really do not know.....I have enjoyed it.

I did get onto your website Treeincarnation.com, and more than
interested in the comments about the left-handed twists of amino acids,
quoting Pasteur. The left-hand in mythology is really interesting.....the
serpent (or pair of serpents) in the left hand is common, the serpent
being matter/mother, generally if not always a water serpent/python,
which is also key.

I look forward to reading further what you have on this page.

Thankyou for such a wealth of information.

Regards

K


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Please add me to your email list for TreeIncarnation.

I am so moved by your work. I cannot possibly tell you how much I appreciate your TreeIncarnation presentations.

Thank you!

G


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Hello Fintan
A good friend of mine just sent me a link to your page, the mirror mind of
the cyclic universe.

I am an artist very interested in cosmology and the structure of creation.
I enjoyed the page and am now also looking at your treeincarnation site.

Best ,

G


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The Arthur Young group pointed out your website "treeincarnation.com" ...
and I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your efforts and thinking.

Best,

B


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Bucky Fuller?! - Far more interesting and deserving of spAce than numerous pseudo CIA Fakes Fintan Wink

D


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From this article
http://physorg.com/news86358402.html

" Their analysis also revealed another surprise: a person trying to look out
of the cloak would effectively be faced with a mirror in every direction. If
you can imagine Harry Potter's own invisibility cloak working this way, and
Harry turning on his flashlight to see, its light would shine right back at
him, no matter where he pointed it. "

There appears to be some imagination used here...
but i'm inclined to suggest that if our senses themselves are
projecting,then the cloak itself provides our world.

Perhaps you'd like to question Greenleaf.....

R


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Fintan-
Thanks for your work discerning the true news . The interview with Milo Wolff was wonderful!

You should check-out Dan Winter and his thoughts on perfect non destructive compression.

http://www.soulinvitation.com/makingwaves/

Again, thanks for your good work.

T


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Fintan,

I am a 35 year old Xxxx Xxxxxx from the USA and your shows are precious to me because we share a lot of the same ideals and desires. Thought it hurts so much to know the pain and suffering in the Middle East, I enjoy all the topics of your shows as well as music that seems like it came from my library. Tree Incarnation (2006-12-12) was downloaded to my work PC this morning and I listened to it three times today. Wow, you really gave us a look inside and I have to thank you for the selfless sharing. I am sure that I am not alone in saying that you are a Master of your craft and even better, you’re definitely not a CIA Bitch. Keep it real Fintan, don’t stop till you drop.

R
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gosh, tough break being this post in the chain, doomed to sound a bit 'me too'

everyone has expressed so well already my admiration and respect for the sharing, Fintan

stay the course Fintan, we're loving it


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:45 am    Post subject: Hello Reply with quote

Hi Fintan, I've been following your postings in TreeIncarnation for some time; let me congratulate you for the good work. It is refreshing to find creative people that think out of the box.

Here are a couple of comments related to the topic:

The idea of the overlapping eyes is what is know as "Vesica Piscis" in sacred geometry.

The idea that the nature of space is tetrahedrical (the Tetrahedral Lattice) is encapsulated by "The Flower of Life" in sacred geometry.

Fuller's Vector Equilibrium is equivalent to the "Fruit of Life" in sacred geometry.

Here is a good compendium of sacred geometry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_Life#Fruit_of_Life

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The Hindu scriptures say that we are entering the last period of dreaming before the God-Head awakes (know as the Kali-Yuga). One of the characteristics of this period of darkness is the proliferation of objects which implies the explosion of memories (in order to keep track of all those objects).

As memories are accumulated, accounting systems are created in a futile effort to try to remember everything. Dragging around all this memories and using them to take new decisions make new acts of creation less agile and end up creating a constipation that petrifies the universe and brings it to an end.

This is brilliantly exposed in a lecture given some years ago by John Steele (the quality of the sound is a little crappy at the beginning, but be patient for the first 5 minutes, it is totally worthed):

Part 1
MP3

Part 2
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must first echos the kudos of those before me. This is great stuff, Fintan. In less than a dozen podcasts, you've changed my universe, and I'm starting to get some of my friends turned on to it too...

I've sketched out a crude diagram that I will soon transcribe digitally and upload, but I'd like to describe it here in the hopes that others may understand and collaborate. also, i hope that a more talented visual artist than I could make it actually look good... Wink

The diagram is a three dimensional graph with the human head at the center of the three axes. the horizontal axis is time (moving forward to the right). the vertical axis is mind/matter (with mind on the top and matter on the bottom). the um... front-back / in-out / axis is consciousness/unconsciousness (with consciousness in the "front").

we have the two brain lobes and the two ears sitting in either half of the time axis, but the left eye is located on the right-front part of the graph and the right eye is on the left-front part, as the optic nerve crosses through the mirror plane sending the right brain's output to the left eye and the right eye's input to the left brain, illustrated below.



along the time axis, we have the past/memory/data storage on the left, and the future/intuition/ideas on the right. along the front-back/in-out axis we have awakeness and aliveness in the front and dreaming/"death" in the back.

in the four sectors of the x-y part of the graph, we have Imagination in the lower right, Creation in the upper right, Perception in the upper left, and Physicality in the lower left. energy events travel clockwise starting in the bottom right sector of the graph and on through to the others. this is represented by two golden spirals--one expanding spiral starting in the center, and of course one contracting spiral, collapsing into the center.

i'll post a sketch of it when i finish sketching it out in photoshop, but i hope i've described it well enough for anyone to visualize it.

so i'm left with a couple of questions...

do the front and back sections of the brain relate to awakeness/aliveness and sleep/"death", respectively? i'll have to spend a minute researching the functions of the frontal, parietal, occipital, and temporal lobes along with the cerebellum. knowing that the cerebellum--at the bottom of the brain--controls the motor functions (matter), i am encouraged to believe that there might be something to this.

you've spoken in past audios about "vortices," but i've not heard you bring Theta (the ratio of the numbers in the Fibonacci sequence) in to your analysis. like Pi, Theta is a ratio depicting an irrational number that is displayed in nature everywhere, like in the spiral shape of a vortex. i would guess that the rates of concurrent expansion and contraction of the supermind both follow the Theta ratio more-or-less exactly. if the sphere is the idea of perfect completeness, then the golden spiral is the idea of perfect incompleteness, or infinity. am I onto something by incorporating Theta into this analysis? or am i getting ahead of myself?

thanks again, Fintan, for initiating this journey.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:42 pm    Post subject: icosahedron fractal Reply with quote

i dont have much to say other than that the information everyone is sharing here is definately "the next level"

here is a link for another 12 around 1 idea based on a fractal icosahedron

http://www.public.asu.edu/~starlite/icosahedronfractal.html

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:12 pm    Post subject: Mental Dis'member'ment Reply with quote

Fintan,

That audio absolutely killed me.
Yet, here I am telling you.

You must be right! Wink

I've given up trying to find the proper words, so I'm back to, 'You Rock!', and, 'Thank You'.

I was wondering though, about the implications of the relationship of the one to the twelve in the venue of social interaction. If an individual sphere represents an individual consciousness, were you implying that there is a metaphysical 'structure' that is composed of thirteen 'souls' (for lack of a better word) eternally recycling in the 12 in / 1 out pattern?

Are you implying that I, the soul inhabiting this body right now, am linked systemically as part of a larger 'thing' with twelve specific other souls that persistently incarnate here on planet earth?

Or did that come from one of those other voices in my head? Wink

alchemikey wrote:
i dont have much to say other than that the information everyone is sharing here is definately "the next level"

here is a link for another 12 around 1 idea based on a fractal icosahedron

http://www.public.asu.edu/~starlite/icosahedronfractal.html


Hi Mikey! Welcome, and thanks for that link.

Wow - that fractal icosahedron really flipped me out. I don't know why exactly, but that's pretty common.

That quicktime movie at this link is totally fascinating to me - especially the emergence that begins (from the outside view) with the expansion of the planes of the exposed tetrahedrons.

Holy Holographic Universe Generator!



BTW, where can I order my plushy Icosahedron Fractal? Pretty cool -


Today's post-industrial toddler needs toys that reflect the expanding global mindscape - blocks are so last century! Looks like a goldmine, IMO. Wink
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