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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:35 pm    Post subject: McVeigh Video Destroys OKC Bombing Official Story Reply with quote

McVeigh Video Destroys OKC Bombing Official Story
I hesitate to post this here under the NO-CIA section, because this is from Prison planet. However a friend sent the link to me.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2006/181206mcveighvideo.htm

It appears that Bill Bean, a film producer, happened to be filming at a base in 1993. at a time when McVeigh was supposed to be 'missing' according to FBI, running to gun shows probably.

Instead, they show, McVeigh was in the Army, learning about explosives and demolition. So they LIED!
The fact that McVeigh was still involved with the U.S. army long after his supposed honorable discharge only amplifies long-standing questions that severely undermine the official explanation behind the Oklahoma City bombing.

This is to be a February 2007 Hustler Magazine feature story.

Anyhow, TAKE A LOOK, it's just one more piece of evidence. I wonder if McVeigh will have a Pod, or if Bean will start talking about the Nephilim or Illuminati.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This just in...

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CNN: Is GOP Rep. 'fueling' Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy theories?

David Edwards and Ron Brynaert
Published: Thursday December 28, 2006


Earlier today, during an interview on CNN, the Republican chairman of the Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee of the House International Relations Committee -- which just released a report rebuking the FBI on its investigation of the 1999 Oklahoma City bombing -- was asked if he was helping to "fuel conspiracy theories."

American Morning's Miles O'Brien told outgoing Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, (R-CA) that he had "raised a lot of questions that are just kind of 'out there' in the conspiracy theorist world." O'Brien mentioned different theories relating to Middle East terrorists, Iraqi officials, neo-Nazi bankrobbers, and the alleged John Doe #2.

"Doesn't this just add more fuel to those conspiracy theories?" O'Brien wondered.

"Well there's nothing wrong to adding to a conspiracy theory when there might be a conspiracy, in fact," Rohrabacher responded.

The California congressman spoke further about John Doe #2, citing numerous reported sightings by "credible witnesses" interviewed by the House International Relations Investigative Subcommittee, and slammed the FBI for calling a "premature end" to their investigation.

"We did our best with limited resources, and I think we moved the understanding of this issue forward a couple of notches even though important questions remain unanswered," Rohrabacher told the Associated Press after the two-year report's release.

Clip from CNN's American Morning:


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kx5k5NZbrk&eurl=


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http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/GOP_Rep._fuels_Oklahoma_City_bombing_1228.html

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So far, I've seen the whole "resurgeance" of the OKC bombing thing as a way to bring up conspiracy theories in order to once again dismiss them. The MSNBC segment on it was another "isn't this all just rehashed theories that have already been disproven?" I believe the conclusive answer was "Yes. Coming up next, what to do with all that leftover tinsel..."

There is a burn-out factor with issues that are repeatedly brought up and not expounded upon substantially, since they interrupt more important things like Oprah and Entertainment Tonight.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the fact that Rohrabacher brings anything up is a red herring.

Dana was in Afghanistan working 'freelance', tramping through the mountains with the local warlords, defying the Logan Act, trying to get a pipeline going for himself or his constituents.

Rohrabacher was also reporting to Congress on how wonderful the Taliban government was, not fundamentalist, but conservative. He was allegedly pushing Clinton to open up relations.

Immediately after Sept 11, he reversed himself and blamed Clinton.

No matter WHAT is brought up, the media will marginalize and narrowcast it. That's their job. Then the mainstream viewers will get one viewpoint and web researchers will get others.

I just pointed a guy to the White House website for some of Bush's statements on freeing OBL and had this guy tell me it was not valid because 'you can't trust Google'. Some people are total morons.

So the old pics of McVeigh proving he was in the Army working on demolitions in 1993 are probably real --- I guess --- but if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it ....
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus, amongst the politically-active, all they have to do is endlessly ideologize everything. Paint any suspicion of a 9/11 cover-up as a basically Left-wing thing, and OKC as primarily Right-Wing.

The life-long emotional investment most internet citizens have in left-right politics is an almost bottomless well to be drawn from.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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dilbert_g: Well, the fact that Rohrabacher brings anything up is a red herring.


I don't know of him, but if this video is in any way exemplary of what he promotes.....

My feelings about infowars/prisonplanet have hit an all time low with this one. (Let's hope they were just 'too busy to notice.')
The eyebrows look totally out of place - too straight, too dark, and his eyes just a little too dark as well. I can almost make out the mascara. He appears made up and/or re-touched with little or no effort to blend the embellishments.

I can't think of any better way of discrediting reports of McVeigh's protracted dealings with the military.
There are links to video stills at the bottom of the prison planet page, in the "documentation" section. Take a close look at this one:
http://www.jonesreport.com/images/full%20face%20McVeigh%20(Large)%20(2).jpg
(Copy the whole line.)
Look at the inner portion of his right eyebrow -doesn't look right at all, as if someone stuck a flesh-colored patch on his brow ridge and left the borders. It appears on other frames as well. To me, the face doesn't match McVeigh's anyway. I'm pointing out these incredibly obvious things ....because they're there. What if this had been real footage of McVeigh, fakeified for the sake of descrediting it? I'm doubting it.

I'm as inclined as anyone to believe that McVeigh's lethal injection could have been staged, but of course I can't prove it.
If it were ever proved that McVeigh was fronting for the OKC insiders, I would only hope this video wouldn't be used as proof of anything.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm as inclined as anyone to believe that McVeigh's lethal injection could have been staged, but of course I can't prove it.


There is such a thing as brainwashed slaves, 'Manchurian Candidates'. It's obviously more expedient to expire them once their mission and use is completed.
So I've no doubt that the McVeigh was indeed executed. He'd 'served his purpose'.

The other matter. McVeigh's appearance tin the photos. I suggest that those arent' retouched, just an odd kind of signal from his handers to other 'sleepers' who would see the photos, and be triggered.

McVeigh is an intriquing case. He has all the symptoms of the MKULTRA life long conditioning we've heard about. Putting him on trial and then following through on execution sent a powerful message to others they mean to use and exploit

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ormond: It's obviously more expedient to expire them once their mission and use is completed.
So I've no doubt that the McVeigh was indeed executed. He'd 'served his purpose'.


.....yes, if he were indeed a Manchurian Candidate type, but I can't help believing that these kinds of fixes could easily go terribly wrong, not that we'd hear about it if there were any major malfunctions. I'm guessing that reflective people, no matter how 'sick,' could more easily desipher this kind of manipulation, and especially if they were reflecting on the darker side of military operations. The 'manipulated McVeigh' would have applied his nearly unlimited imagination to that general area of possibilities. On the other hand, the actor McVeigh would likely have been just as evil as his co-horts, and hence as reliable, since to expose them would have surely meant real death for him, not just a curtain call.

I know I'd be shocked to discover the full extent to which people can be tampered with without their knowledge. I remain open to all possibilities. Perhaps he knew he was being used in mind control experiments, but didn't know how far out they'd taken him?
Better still, perhaps he saw himself as a co-conspirator and faithfully covered for his 'superiors,' (through the trial and etc,) only to discover at the last painful moment that they broke their promise and dispatched him anyway, just to be on the safe side.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

indigitydogdignation wrote:
I can't think of any better way of discrediting reports of McVeigh's protracted dealings with the military.


Well someone just did...

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Oklahoma City Bomber Still Alive And Living In South America, According To Former FBI Agent

FBI Whistelblower John Peeler said McVeigh has had plastic surgery and friends at the Bureau asked if Peeler wanted to set up a meeting with the government patsy since they worked together for the Bureau.

12 Jan 2007

By Greg Szymanski



Greg Szymanski Audio Interview with John Peeler
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Greg/0701/20070111_Thu_Greg2.mp3



A former FBI agent, turned whistleblower, said he received "credible information from several friends at the Bureau" that Oklahoma City bomber, Timothy McVeigh, is still alive and living in South America.

Long time FBI agent and self-proclaimed hit man, John Peeler, made this startling revelation Wednesday on Greg Szymanski's radio show, the Investigative Journal, now airing exclusively on the Republic Broadcasting Network from 11am to 1pm Monday thru Friday at www.rbnlive.com

"It was all smoke and mirrors and McVeigh was never executed," said Peeler, adding he knew McVeigh was selected as a government patsy to pull of the Oklahoma City bombing.

"Several friends at the Bureau told me if I ever wanted to talk with him, it could easily be arranged. McVeigh is living in South America and he has had plastic surgery. Further, McVeigh wasn't the first selection to blow up the federal building as the original patsy didn't work out.

"I knew McVeigh personally and we both were working undercover for the Bureau when I first met him. He was an MK-Ultra experiment and they messed with his mind big time. After coming forward publicly with this information, I was hauled into the FBI and given a lie detector test which I passed with flying colors."

Peeler openly said on the radio show that he has been called a "jack boot thug" more than once in his life, even calling himself "the worst of the worst" for the downright "dirty assignments" he took on as a longtime FBI agent.

"I worked behind the scenes or had inside information about Waco, Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City and 9/11," added Peeler. "I was also given the assignment to bring down Pastor Tony Alamo, who was an good person and squeaky clean. They wanted him out of the way in Arkansas because he knew how dirty and wouldn't support Bill and Hillary Clinton. When we couldn't get him on anything, I recommended we get set him on tax evasion charges which were of course bogus. I have since apologized Pastor Alamo and he has accepted my apology."

And for years, the veteran undercover FBI agent worked underground basically as a hit man or infiltrator, trying to nip in the bud any patriot or militia movement threatening the New World Order agenda, being privy to exactly how the government staged terrorist events like Oklahoma City and 9/11 in order to further the Illuminati agenda leading to World War III and the destruction of the West.

"I was basically one of them, a part of the New World Order," he said.

"I had a deep loyalty for America and justified my actions by thinking I was protecting my country. For a long time, I just didn't understand how the people giving the orders, including those in the White House, were deceitful, corrupt and actually trying to bring about the destruction of America.

"After 9/11, I started putting the pieces together, started connecting the dots and now fully realize from the firsthand facts I obtained while working for the FBI that Oklahoma City and 9/11 were inside jobs."

And the moment Peeler finally realized the government officials he served were "the real criminals" and he was just another minion or hired gun carrying out their dirty work, there was no turning back, as he turned in his badge and gun for a loud whistle around his neck in order to spread the truth.

Instead keeping quiet and taking the easy way out, Peeler decided to make amends for his actions by going public with his knowledge about how the use government staged Waco and Ruby Ridge, as well as providing key information about the U.S. government's role in bringing about Oklahoma City and 9/11.

"These are not conspiracy theories," said Peeler. "This is based on facts I know, leading to the conclusion that Oklahoma City and 9/11, without question, were inside government jobs."

And when Peeler refused to "play ball" with the powers that be, the hammer was slammed down hard. It was slammed down hard since it is well-known the New World Order thugs "plays for keeps," especially with people from the inside who try to leak out damaging information.

"I've had many death threats and close calls since I went public in 2001," said Peeler. "But they decided to go after my son, who was in the military, framing him for a murder he didn't commit. There was no credible physical evidence, no credible testimony, no body, no nothing. It was a frame job from the beginning to get at me and now my son sits in jail serving a life sentence for a crime he didn't commit."

Peeler said he was trying to raise public awareness to have his son's case revisited in order to obtain his release since working "inside the system with the corrupted judiciary" provides no hope for justice being served.

In another interview Peeler posted on his blog at www.johnpeeler.blogspot.com he had this to say about the inside information he obtained, leading to the public indictment against the U.S. government's criminal actions, crimes against humanity and crimes against the people of the United States.

"That's right. I volunteered and worked undercover for the United States government. I had the best intentions in the world. In 1988, the [Ku Klux] Klan was burning black churches here in Arkansas and the surrounding southern areas. But anyway, what I''m saying is a real, real complicated mess. I would like for you to pray for my son and myself. I''m no longer with the United States government.

"The only way I''m with the government now is they harass me on a regular basis and trying to figure out some way to put me in jail. The FBI came to my home a few weeks ago and threatened me. Then they forced me to take a polygraph test. I took a polygraph test, and I passed it. They are real upset because I no longer do deals for them. But they did me really dirty. What happened, I volunteered and went undercover for the government in 1988.

"They had a list of people that they had me to get to know these people, get involved with them, and then find out all about them. But most of the people who were on the list were really bad people. Most of these people were like Wilbur Hale, the high Phineas priest, the KKK, him and Richard Wayne Snell. Let me tell you what precipitated this in my conversation with you. What happened, I get Tony Alamo''s newsletters most of the time. Sometimes I look at them better than others, but this last one, when I read about the Pearl Harbor thing, it sent shivers through my spine. It really did, because I was involved with a lot of the things that he''s talking about in there. I know for a fact that he''s one hundred percent correct. You see, Another Pearl Harbor."

Having a wealth of stored up information, damaging to the New World Order hierarchy, including the former President Clinton and Bush, Peeler added:

"I personally knew William Jefferson Clinton, also known as William Jefferson Blythe. I know the people in the Secret Service, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Drug Enforcement Administration, and many of these agencies work the same way. They have what they call the Violent Crime Task Force, and they go after people they want. Pastor Alamo is not violent.

"He preaches love and peace, to my knowledge, but he is on this list. He didn''t sell out to the government and say what the government wants people to say, that the government is good and righteous and is doing right for the people, which they''re not doing. But one of the warnings that I want to give to Pastor Alamo right now is, you notice a lot of people in the United States are dying of cancer. Now this is a scenario, okay, that could happen, okay.

"The FBI, BATF, CIA, the CIA officially did not work for the United States, but they did work in the United States and do a lot of things, but now under the new Anti-Terrorist Act and the Homeland Security Act, they can legally work in the United States, but I knew CIA agents that have been working in the United States for years doing deals.

In another admission, Peeler talks about how he knew the FBI planted a bomb in the car of Earth First environmental activist, Judi Bari, almost killing her but later finished off the job in a more sinister and diabolical way.

Trying to connect the dots of the New World Order high command, Peeler said he knew first hand all roads lead to the, adding the U.S. law enforcement agencies are really enforcing the Pope in Rome's diabolical will on U.S. citizens.

Saying that all of the secret societies pretending to be the servants and the protectors of not only the U.S. citizens but the citizens of the world are, in reality, working under the control of the evil powers that have taken over the Vatican, the real marching orders coming from Rome and then carried out throughout the world.

Regarding David Koresh, Peeler said that the BATF, DEA, and FBI's plan from the start was to kill him, never intending anything else.

"The whole plan was to kill David Koresh and as many of his followers as they could. Three weeks before the massacre, they told me they were calling it a turkey shoot," said Peeler.

"I volunteered to go to the Waco turkey shoot, Peeler said, ""They [the government] told me they were taking the most ammunition, the most weapons they ever took in the United States to a bust and that they didn't plan to take David Koresh alive. They planned to kill him. I was also involved in the Oklahoma bombing and the World Trade Center number one and number two attacks."

Regarding 9/11, Peeler added:

"It was another Pearl Harbor. Just like they said on the History Channel not too long ago, there were many people from the President, and the top upper echelons of the [Roman-controlled] United States government, that knew it was going to happen and let it happen.

"Now, since World War II, when the CIA was started, they got a lot of the old German high command and German officers of the SS and worldwide intelligence divisions, and had them to help them start the Central Intelligence Agency, and used a lot of their techniques that they had used over there [in Germany], that are very unfortunate that they have continued and passed down these techniques of going after certain people and certain organizations, for their religious or political affiliations."



Greg Szymanski

Greg also has his own daily show on the Republic Broadcasting Network, from 11:00am to 1:00pm central time, shortwave frequency 12.180. Listen on the internet at: www.rbnlive.com Greg Szymanski is an independent investigative journalist and his articles can been seen at www.arcticbeacon.com

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/12-Jan-2007.html

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can't think of any better way of discrediting reports of McVeigh's protracted dealings with the military.


stallion4: Well someone just did...


Yes, he certainly probably did. I say 'probably' only because Syzmanski is now in a position to discredit anyone he touches. Having first built his reputation with more creditable work involving Rodriguez, McNiven and so on, he deliberately trashed himself and tarnished many others with the Leo Wanta story. The Peeler story has all the bells and whistles, 'right' enough to make it all wrong, imh estimation.
Earlier today I was cogitating over some truthseekers I hadn't thought about in a while, and former LA County FBI chief Ted Gunderson came to mind. http://www.tedgunderson.com/ He gave a series of lectures years ago on the growing popularity of Satanic Ritual Abuse and the difficulties he was having getting police and mainstream media cooperation in exposing the problem. He also went on and on about the McMartins, (the day-care center operators who once faced countless charges of child abuse,) claiming they had multiple tunnels under their facilities where the children were routinely abused, out of sight and out of mind. Only one of the McMartins was found guilty, and under questionable circumstances.

I think there's a temptation on the part of many in the "resistance" to cling like tree frogs to former government types who've come out or 'come clean.' They really are a double edged sword, and I think the honest ones are far outweighed by the plants. They can do incredible damage, as the Morgan Reynolds phenomenon clearly shows.

Gunderson's site is flecked with tinfoil, but maybe some good things as well. (edit) I asked for more info about him, but tried a simple forum search instead. Seem's he's already well pegged here.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The John Peeler story sounds bizarre.
"I was also given the assignment to bring down Pastor Tony Alamo, who was an good person and squeaky clean. They wanted him out of the way in Arkansas because he knew how dirty and wouldn't support Bill and Hillary Clinton." Good reason. Why didn't he "bring down" Pat Robertson too?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Alamo nuff said

in order to further the Illuminati agenda
and the top upper echelons of the [Roman-controlled] United States government, that knew it was going to happen and let it happen.


I don't know about McVeigh's eyebrows. They look more real than Pelosi's. I have to look again at all the photos.

Sorry. I just looked at all the McVeigh photos. Now, they are not perfect, kinda low-fi from video, they all COULD be totally faked, head pasted on body, BUT they look very much like the same guy, Tim McVeigh. The mouth thing sorta gives it away, although that's pretty obvious, it's there.

Now all this means, of course, is the FBI and the rest of the govt was intentionally lying about his whereabouts prior to the bombing.

I never followed up on that bombing, never hardly thought about it when it happened, it was just a crime like dozens of others. Probably the first time I thought about it was after Sept 11, AFTER I heard Alex Jones discuss it. That was the first I ever knew there was any controversy about the facts.

Regardless what an anti-comm fruit that Gen. Partin is, and even without his added expertise as a military explosives specialist, it's seems like simply a common sense estimate that a truck bomb could NOT have caused that extensive damage from that distance, especially without carrying far more ammonium nitrate fertilizer than could reasonably be carried in that size truck, and without the blast being somehow forced to be directional, i.e. some form of containment. The percussive effects are reduced logarithmically over distance, as far as I know.

Then, there's the unevenness of the blast, the "gouge" on one side. And the reports of extra bombs on the local news, and reports of BATF removing stuff from the crime scene. That against the "official" story.

What this NEW REVELATION MEANS? Probably nothing will come of it, especially if nothing has come of the General Partin stuff. One would have thunk that HE could have gotten about a dozen or half Generals and explosives experts together and started a hardcore media assault, but I don't recall ANY of that happening.


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As conspiratorially-aligned as I am, I honestly don't think it's that easy to fake the execution of a prisoner in the confines of a facility like the Penitentiary at Terre Haute, In., where so many low-level workers and individuals would have to be in on the plot. Not that it's impossible, just difficult, and that's what places like SuperMax are for - where prisoners are never again seen once they retreat beyond the outside walls, and there are regular helicopter excursions in and out of the place.

I believe SuperMax was built not 'to remove dangerous prisoners from society' but to relieve govt patsies from service and isolate ops from public view.

Now in the Wild West Iraq, where every other video depicts everyone involved wearing hooded masks... piece of cake.

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