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MichaelC



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But why rub out Bobby? Was it because Nixon was 'scheduled' to be the next president and Bobby might interfere with this?
So what was the real motive?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MichaelC wrote:
But why rub out Bobby? Was it because Nixon was 'scheduled' to be the next president and Bobby might interfere with this?
So what was the real motive?

In my world, political assassinations are not usually related to a particular 'cause' or defining moment of truth. Politicians represent agendas and ability to shift trends when they band together in numbers. Opinions and implied agendas are seen as political advantage in regards to some people and as political liabilities by others - usually mutually exclusive.

As these people move upward and spend more time in the limelight, what happens is at some point the reasons for them to be part of the political landscape are simply outweighed by the reasons for them to be removed, by whatever means.

E.g., there was certainly no single reason for JFK to die - there were just more of those than there were reasons for him to be allowed to live. RFK is similar, although aside from his vehement support for the State of Israel, I'm personally less schooled on Bobby's politics. I would imagine there may also have been fear he may reopen investigations into his brother's death, but I'm speculating.

Then there's this: Someone once asked Bobby how he was planning to "clean up" the CIA operations going on in Central and South American, since it would mean going up against "powerful people like the Rockefellers", and Bobby replied, "We eat Rockefellers for breakfast."

Someone may have taken issue with that sentiment.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The History Channel is pouring it on tonight. They just ran "Beyond Conspiracy" - the despicable hit-piece on anyone who suspects the Warren Commission to be anything other than the Bible, complete with missing details, fuzzy logic and deliberate lies. Oliver Stone is a delusional tin-foil hat lunatic, and Lee Harvey Oswald was the greatest sharpshooter ever known to man.

Now they're showing "Kennedys: The Curse of Power", which is designed to prove, beyond a doubt that paranoid silliness like organized murderous conspiracies didn't kill the Kennedys, it was a simpler, much more reasonable explanation: they are under a curse.

If this shit wasn't so despicably awful, it would be hysterically funny. Good luck with that - a recent poll in 2003 shows 89% of Americans believe the govt was heavily involved in JFK's death.

Doesn't seem to stop the budget to keep flogging this shit though, does it? Confused

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rumpl4skn wrote:
Now they're showing "Kennedys: The Curse of Power", which is designed to prove, beyond a doubt that paranoid silliness like organized murderous conspiracies didn't kill the Kennedys, it was a simpler, much more reasonable explanation: they are under a curse.

Just throw your window open, lean out and shout,
"I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!"

If they have some sort of voicemail, getting a bunch of people, different voices, to call in and say-just-that might have _some_ effect, and therapeutic value.

Yup. The occult is the last refuge. Won't be long now. In a few months' time the only holdouts running these stories will be the Globe and (of course) the New York Times. I plan to distract the Enquirer with another 'Iguanas on Mars: Supressed NASA Evidence' photo series.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IT was a political killing AND an intelligence assassination.
The murder pretty clearly involved CIA people, who should not have been at the murder scene. I have come to expect this from "Murder, Inc."

The You Tube link is removed, but here's the BBC footage for Real Player.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ifs_news/hi/newsid_6160000/newsid_6167600/nb_rm_6167616.stm
Kennedy shooting night images



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it was a simpler, much more reasonable explanation: they are under a curse.


Excellent.

Sometimes you need a way to ridicule the official story to the other 11%. I think this is great.

Ooops. I see I'm somewhat repeating myself here.
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10383#10383
Time melts.

Sirhan-Sirhan had a team of lawyers, Lawrence Teeter at the head of his legal team. They were trying to prove it was MK-Ultra, since a confused Sirhan said that he did not remember shooting Bobby and that he personally had no motive. I think he even said he liked Bobby though I'm not sure of that. I think the Palestine-Israel thing was cover, much like Oswald's Cuban connection which is provably false (too dubious to be sensible) in that his Fairplay for Cuba office was inside or next door to the office of Banister the fascist anti-com cop with intell connections.

That and various other factors, documentation, indicating that Oswald was most likely an Intell operative spying on communists, rather than spying for communists. He was openly spouting pro-communist rhetoric while enlisted in the Marines. The Russian KGB later said they thought he was a CIA spook. He was hanging out with and marrying White Russians, not Reds. He got (and repaid) a loan from the US Embassy to return to the US, document in the Warren Report and on my website. He was hanging out with White Russian (pro-Nazi) (Operation Paperclip types) in the USA. There is a memo (CIA or FBI?) referring to unauthorized use of Oswald's expense account for gasoline purchases for some anti-com operations, while Oswald was in Russia. There are witnesses describing Oswald infiltrating the Louisiana base of Operation 40, assisting in an FBI raid on CIA's Op 40 ordered by JFK. Marita Lorenz, testifying against E. Howard Hunt, claimed that Oswald was in that hotel room, just before JFK was killed. Most of this I got from the video, some checked online. More in Joan Mellon's recent book, talk on www.gunsandbutter.net

So anyhow, Teeter was trying to reopen the Sirhan case and running into roadblocks. Authorities, the court, would not return Evidence he (?) owned. Demanding the lawyer take psychological tests to get his shit back (i think that was it). The interview is on
www.gunsandbutter.net archives on KPFA.

Then I learn from the producer of JFKii, John Hankey, www.jfkii.com that both Teeter and his law partner died suddenly (mysteriously?).

I hesitate to simply say "do the math", but in this case ... do the math.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So in the "what do we do now?" sense, it occurs to me that on general revisionist correction principles, the people handing out Loose Change no-planes for everyone! DVDs should be encouraged to hand out Joan Mellon's lectures -- not corruptible manifestos, the real Guns'N'Butter item. Even the ones who haven't done the math to know what it means. Some breakfornews.com wouldn't hurt either! It would be a fine way to start sorting out the primeval-hippies from the handler-hippies: the handlers would not approve.

Shocked by the official lies of 9/11, reaching back to see JFK as a quintessential watch violation, in the sense that crimes in our time that hijack history must be given due process on 'our watch' to prevent the dullest (but most ruthless) despots from waltizing in, information land mine yadda yadda, -- had not a clue that (quite so possibly) one or more of the very same names may be involved. But these fit better than anything I've ever heard or considered. And I'm not being paid to say that, though that would be nice...

I'm not fool enough to chase two tails though. That "loosen one edge and it all unpeels easily" only applies to rotten fruit. I'm a one crime dude.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, both the YouTube and BBC links have now be pulled.

Anybody have any other way to see this? Did anyone happen to download it when it was up, like I was too stupid to do? Confused

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for your pleasure... google video ...be quick !

you can download and save Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks matt.

Btw, for anyone who's never seen this, here's where you can download YouTube and Google videos that are normally only available as playable on their proprietary players.

http://javimoya.com/blog/youtube_en.php

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:24 pm    Post subject: Disney and JFK. Reply with quote

Disney has been covertly conditioning American kids since WWII.
I have dozens of examples mirroring covert activity and mitigating hostile politics.

In 1976 with the Church Committee pawing through CIA muck and the House Special Committee on Assassinations brewing, Disney put out 'The Shaggy D.A.'

Well, what kid doesn't love a good D.A. story?

This was meant to continue the badjacketing of DA Jim Garrison for his prosecution of conspirator Clay Shaw. From 1967-69 when Garrison's case was active the Operation Mockingbird media tore Garrison apart as a kook, an opportunist, a "Jolly Green Giant."

The 45th anniversary of the CIA murder of JFK (A-team ops like Lucien Conein and General Lansdale are in photos of Dealey Plaza) there is another spate of Oswald dunnit books from the likes of Mark Fuhrman and Vincent Bugliosi.

So is Disney doing anything for JFK disinfo season? Yup.

The featured animation for 2007/2008, 'Ratatouille,' has as the lead character's voice actor a guy named Patton Oswald. Or is it Patton Oswalt? Search engine results are split 50/50 but the mind goes to the more common 'Oswald' even if it really ends with a 't.'

No coincidence, I think. There's a long history of Disney doing just such a thing but that's subject for another thread.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Google Video Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
Here's the Google video of the BBC program about the
assassination of Bobby Kennedy and links to the CIA.


Quote:


Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5z2ZHaCugI

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rO8Nx4LVec

Posted on YouTube: November 21, 2006
By YouTube Member: iliocht


By the way, This related video has much coverage of the girl in the
polkadot dress who claimed "we shot Kennedy to eyewitnesses.
To me, this smacks of a deliberate red herring.

Quote:
RFK "WE SHOT HIM" ORDER 66



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq1bfkat-4g


A post by Rumpl4skn in this thread caused me to post this.

The two videos (Part 1 and part 2) quoted above are no longer available. However, there is another source for both videos:

Part One:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0eh0hRlfCU

Part Two:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw-6SrVs0K8

And, on the presumption that those videos will be unavailable at some point too, everybody can download the two parts from any one of these sources:

For Part One:
1.) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XWCJDFDS
2.) http://www.zshare.net/download/9639319b49702d/
3.) http://www.badongo.com/vid/666337

For Part Two:
1.) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VRN705UH
2.) http://www.zshare.net/download/963981688b08e9/
3.) http://www.badongo.com/vid/666343

Additionally, just in case the RFK "WE SHOT HIM" ORDER 66 video is removed, everybody can download the video from any one of these sources:

1.) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O1RDO2BO
2.) http://www.zshare.net/download/9640554ac11ddf/
3.) http://www.badongo.com/vid/666361
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a great two part essay on the RFK assassination:

http://www.realhistoryarchives.com/collections/
assassinations/Sirhan and the RFK Assassination
The Grand Illusion by Lisa Pease.htm

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