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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a show dude!! Yeah I can feel the tides are changing, even if the
election is a jib, they can't get away with this indefinitely.

Theres only so far the people will go before seeing the reality of the bigger game.

I liked the comments on "certainty" especially, it seems to be used time
and again as a foundation for idealogical dogmatism leading to stagnant
fundamentalism.

Its a comfort zone that brings about a fear of thinking those "wrong"
thoughts and puts free thought on ice.

I like to think of "Truth" as not static, not as a noun, but more like a verb,
because it accomidates change.

Paraphrasing from 'Bucky' Fuller,
"Mans greatest mistake was in not allowing himself to make mistakes".

We chastise children for making mistakes all the time under the guise of
teaching them "how things are", we beat the novelty out of them to protect
them from the "bad" things in life. And we call this growning up??

The only way we learn is by making a mistake in the first place.
Thats where I think society is right now, coming around to recognising
that theres something fundamentally amiss with how we have been viewing the world.

Black and white viewpoints have less and less meaning.

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Great post obeylittle, thats a great way of bringing next level analysis across the web.

This is where the real movement has always happened, not in the streets
protesting with placards, but in the minds of individuals who dare to think
outside the box.

Thats Disobedience, Thats Anarchic, Thats Chaos Exclamation

"Tear down the wall!!"

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:16 pm    Post subject: The Wedge Party? Reply with quote

Hooray! Fantastic analysis - political bitters to calm the violent wretches and heaves of 'election' night.

I was trapped at work on election night, forced to endure the hillbilly hoots of victory and slapping high fives from the client lounge as some of the most deluded people on earth dazzled each other with their sudden political savvy. I struggled to keep my mouth shut, but the word 'douchebag' kept prying it open.

Actually, the atmosphere was identical to the NBA finals or the World Series. In fact, when I was forced to pass by the olympic sized flat screen TV, it looked like they had borrowed the graphics and format of SportsNight or whatever. I guess the blue team won, cause everybody seemed happy afterward.

In my amazement at the predictability of it all, I did forget to celebrate the fact that the beginning of this phase does mark the decline of the old phase; the really suck-y one with all the bombs and bodies.

Thanks for reminding me that, compared to an 'era of death', an 'era of deceit' is an improvement indeed.

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I only take issue with one detail - I don't think the Senate situation was "almost botched" or however you phrased it. I think the Senate makeup is exactly as they intended, and it's brilliant. I looks like a Dem majority, but it's not. The Lieberman op now makes sense to me - that ideological ostracizing food fight was a setup for how many times he jumps off the Dem ship on national security issues and phony Terror War votes, leaving Cheney to be The Decider. (At the risk of repeating myself.) That's just my opinion, of course (thanks to my more developed sense of political cynicism, most recently thanks to you).

And as long as the Democratic masses think they've got both houses, I think the fever burns out a little... the torches get a little damp as they approach Capitol Hill. Let's face it, after 6 years of this Reich-Wing majority crap, everyone is still angry, but a little... tired. Now we can all relax, right? We have both houses! Wrong. But a little political apathy goes a long way when you're trying to stay abreast of developments between the 2 jobs you have to work now to make ends get closer together (I gave up making them actually meet years ago. They wave at each other through the fog. Next year I switch to Naval beacons.)


Really good point.
You had me at damp torch. Wink Great image.

The little bit of mainstream news I overheard the next day was all about the 'unexpected' Senate results, proving establishment politics to be powerless against the will of the voting public.

It is brilliant in that a sweeping Democratic victory can be relentlessly pre-conditioned, and then the anticipated results can still be spun as an 'unexpected' Democratic victory. Yay blue team - we did it!

Now that we've saved the world from the evil Neo-Con agenda, we can snuggle up in our velvet glove and take a long well deserved nap.

Thank goodness I can stop worrying about the fascist Republican takeover and focus on the important things in life, like Christmas shopping.

obeylittle wrote:

We need to expand that wedge of knowledge horizontally as we drive deeper, so what say we set up a network of websites. The CIA fakes had a great run using the web site business model as their medium and I'm sure we can do it much better. The difference being we will publish the hard news with footnoted, documented facts, not spinning bullshit like they do.

We have the necessary skillsets and an intelligent, determined community here. We can extend and reach others while accelerating the awakening process for our human family. And of course an opportunity for us to learn more too.

Each web master (or small group) could be a specialist (so to speak) researching and reporting on what he/she knows, prefers, or is good at. In this manner all the important issues (or subject areas) can be thoroughly and professionally covered.


Dude ... great idea.
Count me in. Perhaps we could start by designing a 'hub' site that categorizes the areas of research, but focuses on how the topics functionally relate to each other in the bigger picture.

Each topic link could initially be an overview page with content provided by each topic 'team'. As the topics expand, they can develop into sites themselves, until a web ring is formed with the 'hub' site providing summaries and conclusions based on the combined research of the various topic teams.

The hub site would be the 'edge of the wedge', with the topic sites widening the breach.

Sounds like a great idea though, and as long as there's room for the occasional poop joke, I'd love to contribute. I'm useless when it comes to web design and IT, though.

Anyway, this is an exciting thread. I feel better about the elections already! Thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jerry Fletcher wrote:
I was trapped at work on election night, forced to endure the hillbilly hoots of victory and slapping high fives from the client lounge as some of the most deluded people on earth dazzled each other with their sudden political savvy. I struggled to keep my mouth shut, but the word 'douchebag' kept prying it open.

Laughing

Speaking of great images.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:11 am    Post subject: The One on the Left was on the Right. Reply with quote

1.Abstract

2 Superstructure in detail on the ground.

3 Ireland-CIA fakes\Pope and Queen.

4 MI5-Ireland-Phoenix gatekeeper\Shell to Sea.

5 Guardian Iraq Reality TV.

6 Conclusion.

Quote:
’Well, the one on the right was on the left
And the one in the middle was on the right
And the one on the left was in the middle…
…And the guy in the rear got drafted’

Johnny Cash The One On The Right Is On The Left
J. Clement Burlington Music Co. Ltd 1966

1
Thank you once again Fintan and to everybody supporting this ’wedge’.
Johnny Cash may or may not have been aware of the implications of J. Clement’s tale of
a folk band who dabbled in politics.
Nevertheless, it represents in a lyrical way the phenomenon which faces us; a cosmetic change within the parapolitical permagovernment.
Once again, the forum has successfully applied the deductive method; lessons on the superstructure have been deducted from ’the scenery’.

Let us return, kind readers to the scene of the crime and by employing the inductive method, apply what we have learned so far to some situations which have crept up on our radar recently.

(The deductive and inductive are the two primary methods of Cartesian logic and mathematics. The former involves reducing events on a larger scale to smaller principles, the latter means you begin with a focussed hypothesis and expand out in greater detail, proving it by examples, sort of like inverting a pyramid.)

2
Some light relief is required and the archives at ’The Onion’ provide much food for thought including an article on the 1929 Wall Street Crash.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/54509
Quote:
’Stock market invincible, Buy, Buy, Buy experts advise’
runs the fake October 22nd dated article. This is almost a parody of the ’economic boom’ psyop, which has been nicely run by the Irish Government and it’s planner-developer-banker-auctioneer complex for the past 10 years. Enjoy the link while we savour this moment, however it is a warning against euphoria, when satisfaction is a more appropriate response to this week’s congressional elections in the US. Don’t believe the hype…
If our learned friends in the narcosphere are to believed, then the FTAA is a good thing, since it will preserve the identity of the Tohono-O’odham nation, by eliminating the artificial division of the U.S.-Mexico border.
http://www.narconews.com/Issue43/article2219.html
Here we see the use of an issue which seems plausible, worthy and appeals to out hearts rather than our minds, yet behind the facade lies a bigger agenda, namely playing one country off another to ensure a steady supply of cheap labour and the associated benefits of outsourcing.
The Irish people have been suckered into this identical argument ever since the EU Nice treaty debacle (instead of debate). In October 2002, the Empire Struck back and denounced the lowly peasants from the pulpit of IBEC and its paid spies and informers in Government buildings, for daring to reject the treaty in June 2001.
Quote:
’We owe it to the people of Eastern Europe to offer them the chance to live and work here, after all they’ve been through’,
said Finance Minister Brian Cowen (and mirror-copy of Gordon Brown, due to succeed the discredited Bertie Ahern, in a parallel British government) on RTE radio.
Just like the puppet Democrats, the Irish Labour Party ran posters at the time, entitled
Quote:
’Labour, a different kind of YES’
. Remember that Fintan? God, I wish I had a copy of that.

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Meanwhile, back on the ranch, the CIA flakes (as my Finnish version of Microsoft works keeps spelling them) have turned up in Galway, of all places.
http://www.galwayadvertiser.ie/content/pdf/GA_2610_E1_022.pdf
These so-called ’CIA renegades’ (hold the front page!), have even fooled the self-professed alternative Irish media and a large swathe of the anti-war movement.
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/78924
Hats off to the boys in Garda HQ Crime and Security Branch, those courses with the FBI have finally given the Irish taxpayer value for money.

On a more regal note, the Northern Ireland Peace Process has found a new gear with the ’sensitive’ path of reconciliation in full swing.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2006/1028/1161984757345.html
This will distract everyone from the revisionist truth emerging about how the faceless ones and organ-grinders in Whitehall use loyalist death squads to target anyone who gets in their way, be they British, Irish, nationalist, unionist or whatever you’re having yourself, Patsy. Dead men tell no tales…


4
What are your views Fintan on Goldhawk’s Phoenix Magazine, to which I am a subscriber?
Possible Gatekeeper? www.phoenix-magazine.com
His hush-hush and other columns have delved into the smoke and mirrors world of Irish and British intelligence services. MI5 are taking over from the PSNI\RUC in the North of Ireland and are expanding southwards under the auspices of the War on\of Terror.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=world-qqqm=world-qqqa=world-qqqid=18013-qqqx=1.asp
All part of a wider agenda, which keeps the British public politically castrated, as the latest breakfornews audio correctly points out.

Meanwhile back on the ranch, the natives in Mayo are getting restless.
http://www.corribsos.com/
Just like in Nigeria, the G8 is keeping the local economy in it’s place, siphoning natural resources out of the country with the help of corrupted governments.
Is it time to play the global warming\fake left card yet?
Maybe enlist some rent -a- mob protesters to discredit the local movement, get the boys in the Irish independent to do a hitpiece and wrap it all up nicely before the upcoming general election next May\June.
Don’t want any real candidates who can draw real links between the local and global……now do we?
Welcome to the Global Pillage folks…

5
Reality bites if the following Guardianista article is to believed.
http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,,1933813,00.html

Again, the devil is in the detail.
Quote:
’But in a nation skidding toward civil war, putting Shias, Sunnis, Kurds and Christians under a single roof to play house might literally end up as a contest for survival of the fittest’.


So what better way to promote civil war instead of insurrection, than to portray it via the most powerful psychological weapon of them all-television.

Life imitates Art etc. as reality spills out of the TV monitor and onto the streets like a bad Eurovision night.
Watch your programme schedules for the upcoming UN\NATO\EU ’Attack of the Peacekeepers Mesopotamian Special’, coming to a newsroom near you.

6
That’s if we recover from the ’Bird Flu\Iran\North Korea\Global Warming Muppet Show Reunion’.
Now that’s infotainment, right there Baby!
Item!
Within days, the Guardian has lined up the Usual Suspects for the 2008 US Presidential Election. http://www.guardian.co.uk/midterms2006/story/0,,1945383,00.html

Hot on the heels of Al Gore, Howard Dean is following suit-
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/labour/story/0,,1945410,00.html

We have seen the big picture up close, so let’s zoom out again.

The wedge is widening at the thick end but must remain thin at the other end, in order to split this onion open.
The information revolution is useful in so far as it broadens our horizons but as Goethe wrote, one page from life, one page from the book.
We are motivated, we are equipped and we are honest. Nonetheless.

Quote:
’A man who contemplates the objects of sense develops an attachment to them; attachment gives rise to desire, and desire results in anger.
Anger gives rise to confusion, confusion to loss of memory.
Loss of memory destroys intelligence and, once a man’s intelligence is destroyed, he perishes’.


Verses 62 and 63 of the second chapter entitled ’Samkhya Yoga’ in the Upanisad of the Bhagavadgita, from the Hindu Epic, The Mahabharata.

Let us rejoice and retain the memory of these days, for-

Quote:
’Time is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor.
Truth is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor.
You don't need anything else’.
Malcolm X speaks 1965. Idea
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:38 pm    Post subject: Bush, Pelosi Hold White House Talks Reply with quote

Spin City, USA

The part in red is the interesting bit:

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Bush, Pelosi Hold White House Talks

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: November 9, 2006

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush made nice with Speaker-to-be Nancy Pelosi after Democrats gave his Republicans a trouncing on Election Day, but not before handing House GOP leaders a long legislative wish-list for the lameduck session that they'll orchestrate.

After a bitter campaign that sometimes got personal between the president and the woman to be House speaker, the two had a makeup luncheon at the White House. Appearing publicly in the Oval Office after an hour of private discussions, the pair emphasized finding common ground and ignoring talk of bedeviling specifics, such as their division over the Iraq war. They took no questions.

Neither Bush nor Pelosi, however, completely ignored that they often disagree.

''When you win, you have a responsibility to do the best you can for the country,'' Bush said, WITH VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY SITTING GLUMLY ON A COUCH TO HIS LEFT. ''We won't agree on every issue, but we do agree that we love America.''

''We both extended the hand of friendship and partnership to solve the problems facing our country,'' added Pelosi, like the president, eagerly leaning forward in her chair. ''We have our differences and we will debate them ... but we will do so in a way that gets results.''...


Spin, spin, spin.
Poor Uncle Dick is glum.

Quote:

Expect a lot more like this as the weks go on. Expect a few more dumb
GOP-ers to be cast to the wolves. The idea is to substitute real legislative
reform and an Iraq withdrawal with a lame alternative: a series of
"embarassments" for Bush and the GOP.

The only thing embarassing is that anybody buys this bullshit !
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The spin's been so telling this week that my mind's jumped straight up this evening. The words these people are saying are so scripted it's ... well, soap opera. Already. And the new Congress and Senators haven't even been sworn yet. They're very well rehearsed, though.

Looking past the 'blah blah' of their dialogue. Looking with more interest at the symbology of the setting of the framed shots here. The deliberate body language. And what's the meaning of that lampshade framed directly over Cheney's head?
Gone is the painting of Theordore Roosevelt leading his charge up the hill in Cuba Bush liked as a backdrop in 2001--replaced by oldie moldy George Washington (elder statesman). Pelosi's posture is demure, conciliatory, admiring. GW is animated, enthusiastic at the 'welcome' opportunity to accept the prodigal Democrats into the fold. Let us make peace together, let us be one.

He's also giving her fatherly advice from one who's been down the 'road of leadership' a bit longer in the fray, and she's listening to Daddy with respect and strict attention in the fuzzy glow of mutual love for.......America.

Makes me wanna puke, it does!

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ormond wrote:
And what's the meaning of that lampshade framed directly over Cheney's head?


Maybe he's claiming superior enlightenment?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh heh, just kidding about the lampshade. It just looks funny. Cheney looks heavily medicated.

Since Reagan 1980, when Republicans win, they announce it's 'the Mandate' and proceed to shove Democrats aside, "get out of my way, Plebian!"

Rotate in the Dems, and that word "bipartisan" is spoken every other word.

All I'm saying is, this doesn't look like a Dem party leader planning to call for the Administration's accounting for their rampant abuse of power ever since they took the helm in 2001.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Watch your programme schedules for the upcoming UN\NATO\EU ’Attack
of the Peacekeepers Mesopotamian Special’, coming to a newsroom near you.

That’s if we recover from the ’Bird Flu\Iran\North Korea\Global Warming
Muppet Show Reunion’.

Now that’s infotainment, right there Baby!

LOL.
You nailed about five PsyOps there.

Like most western governments, the Irish Gov. is an expert at
giving people back some of the money they have stolen by
income taxes --and making them feel like it's..... a gift!

The Phoenix.... (an Irish investigative magazine)
Well I gave Goldhawk the inside track soon after 9/11
and he was verging on hostile that I would suggest
everything was not 100% kosher with what happened.

Go figger. Other journos I tipped, some national names,
were much more appreciative of the subtleties involved.
They promised to follow my progress with interest...
from a very considerable distance lol.

Meanwhile the Irish police baton charge protestors
trying to stop Shell from ripping Ireland off and
having the neck to do it with minimum attention
to safety as well. Nice work if you can get it.

Yes, time is on our side.
The vehicle for change.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:36 am    Post subject: Withdrawal? Reply with quote



Coitus Semi-Interruptus

Amazing what spin can achieve, eh?

All along the plan has been for Bush to hardball it and say "no withdrawal".
So that the Democrats could come along and say "phased redeployment".

So what does "phased redeployment" mean?

It means keep full troop numbers there for another six months.
It means a cosmetic exercise featuring some troops coming home.
It means delays in the rate of withdrawal due to security problems.
It means re-occupation by troops from other NATO/UN countries.

It means the well planned outcome.

Spin. It used to be called "twisting the truth" in the old days.

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Start U.S. Iraq withdrawal in 4-6 months: Democrats

Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:52am ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats, who won majorities in the U.S. Congress in last week's elections, said on Sunday they will push for a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq to begin in four to six months.

"The first order of business is to change the direction of Iraq policy," said Sen. Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat who is expected to be chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee in the new Congress.

Levin, on ABC's "This Week," said he hoped some Republicans would emerge to join Democrats and press the administration of President George W. Bush to tell the Iraqi government that U.S. presence was "not open-ended."

Bush has insisted that U.S. troops would not leave Iraq until the Iraqis were able to take over security for their country.

"We need to begin a phased redeployment of forces from Iraq in four to six months," Levin said.

Speaking on the same program, Sen. Joseph Biden, a Delaware Democrat who is expected to head the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he supported Levin's proposal for a withdrawal.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"We need to begin a phased redeployment of forces from Iraq in four to six months," ~ Levin


Maybe I'm being "picky", but what does the wording of that statement mean in 'Legalese', if anything?

Substituting the term "withdrawl" with "redeployment" from Iraq sounds vague.

In military terminology, redeployment means "to move miltary forces from one combat zone to another".

The Nixon Administration with the full complicity of Captiol Hill (Dems and Republicans) stalled withdrawl for years with terms like "winding down the war", and "gradual withdrawl". Covertly, Nixon was invading Cambodia with ground troops who weren't supposed to be there, I've known a few of those vets personally.

But I've never heard the term "redeployment" used to mean withdrawl.

In the end, after years of stalling with terms like, "leave--with honor", and "gradual withdrawl", US forces were abrubtly yanked out of Viet Nam with the North Vietnamese regular army literally biting at their heels. It was--to use another military term--a "clusterfuck". The State Department didn't even bother to evacuate most of the poor local schmucks who'd collaborated with the US all along, literally soldiers were kicking them off the ships and helicopters as they frantically tried to climb aboard.
Same egress from Pnam Pen in Cambodia.

US withdrawl from Viet Nam wasn't done until Henry Kissenger had concluded his long negotiations with China. Not about Viet Nam, but about bringing China into the world trade system.

I suspect whenever US forces withdraw from Iraq, it may be the same, but more likely this time, they will be replaced by some international "peacekeeper" forces. NATO or UN, or? In which case many of them will be American troops wearing different helmets.

I don't believe Capitol Hill does or can decide when to "pull out". Call me cynical, but I believe their role is to stall until the State Department has concluded their objectives there, and only the State Department will give them green light when to withdraw.

But....phased "redeployment"? Anyone have an accurate analysis of Levin's legalistic sounding wording here?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah. Redeployment is the one-size-fits-all excuse. It's the old, "we recognize that there is a problem, and we are working on it", like in the Verizon commercial.

That's pretty much the only description I've ever heard whenever either side of the aisle talks about Iraq. Only the TV pundits seem to actually use "withdrawal." This is the fine print at the bottom of the voter registration card that we never bother to read. "Some promises in the party platform may be smaller than they appear."

I liked when Saturday Night Live said that Henry Kissinger may have suggested to Nixon that he think of his resignation as "humiliation with honor."

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