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PatrickSMcNally



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just as in Russia following the Bolshevik Revolution, the number of Jews numbered around 10% of the population, whereas the number of Jews in the Bolshevik government was approximately 90%.


Among the leading professional revolutionaries there was a disproportionate number of Jews simply because the majority of educated Russian Gentiles had lost much contact with what the Russian people thought. The fact remains that the only reason the Whites lost was because the ordinary Russian totally rejected them. One should not confuse the Whites with the Greens. The Greens were capable of rallying popular sympathies in many parts of agricultural Russia. The Bolsheviks had their main base of support during the civil war among the urban labor force, which was much smaller than the agricultural populace. If the Greens had been more organized the way the Khmer Rouge in Kampuchea were then they could easily have overwhelmed the cities. But the Greens were too anarchistic to set up a government of any type and that was why their defeat was guaranteed. The Greens hated the Whites more than the Bolsheviks did. When the Greens finally attempted an uprising against the Bolsheviks in Tambov, after it seemed clear that the Whites were defeated, a number of Czarist officers came forward to offer their aid to the Greens in the uprising. They were all executed by the Greens. The Greens took their class war very seriously. Something like Trotsky's policy of bringing former Czarist officers into the Red Army under the supervision of Commissars was considered to meak by the Green leaders. They envisioned a real purification of Russia from hostile urban classes much like the way the Khmer Rouge carried out in Kampuchea.

If we distinguish the Social Revolutionaries overall from the Greens (with whom they sometimes intersected) then the major political rivals of the Bolsheviks were the Mensheviks and Social Revolutionaries. These groups would have been politically capable of managing a government counter-posed to the Bolsheviks. But they had no organizational apparatus capable of performing the tasks which everyone agreed needed to be carried out under the conditions of food-shortage and famine. In the midst of what was occurring throughout Russia, these groups ended up breaking into pieces and attaching themselves either to the Whites or the Reds. Had the Mensheviks or SRs been organizationally capable of exerting their authority over the White leadership then the civil war might have had a different end. But with the White leadership in control defeat was guaranteed at the political level a priori. It might be worth noting that the Mensheviks who took the side of opposite to the Bolsheviks included a fair number of Jews. The White forces would have been better off if such people had been in control instead.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

city trader wrote:
The document has achieved fame and infamy in its time.


There actually is a thread which was started on the Protocols. You might wish to pick it up here:

http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3302
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickSMcNally wrote:
city trader wrote:
The document has achieved fame and infamy in its time.


There actually is a thread which was started on the Protocols. You might wish to pick it up here:

http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3302


Will do, thanks Partrick.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ancient Escape Hatch Found in Israel

By AMY TEIBEL
Associated Press Writer

JERUSALEM (AP) -- Under threat from Romans ransacking Jerusalem 2,000
years ago, many of the city's Jewish residents crowded into an
underground drainage channel to hide and later flee the chaos through
Jerusalem's southern end unnoticed.

The ancient tunnel was recently discovered buried beneath rubble, a
monument to one of the great dramatic scenes of the destruction of the
Second Temple in the year 70 A.D.
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The channel was dug beneath what would become the main road of
Jerusalem, the archaeology dig's directors, Ronny Reich of the
University of Haifa and Eli Shukron of the Israel Antiquities Authority,
said Sunday. Shukron said excavators looking for the road happened upon
a small drainage channel that led them to the discovery of the massive
tunnel two weeks ago.

"We were looking for the road and suddenly we discovered it," Shukron
said. "And the first thing we said was, 'Wow.'"

The walls of the tunnel - made of ashlar stones 3 feet deep - reach a
height of 10 feet in some places and are covered by heavy stone slabs
that were the road's paving stones, Shukron said. Several manholes are
visible, and portions of the original plastering remain, he said.

Pottery shards, vessel fragments and coins from the end of the Second
Temple period were also discovered inside the channel, attesting to its
age, Reich said.

The discovery of the drainage channel was momentous in itself, a sign of
how the city's rulers looked out for the welfare of their citizens by
developing an infrastructure that drained the rainfall and prevented
flooding, Reich said.

The discovery "shows you planning on a grand scale, unlike other cities
in the ancient Near East," said Joe Zias, an expert in the Second Temple
period who was not involved in the dig.

But what makes the channel doubly significant is its role as an escape
hatch for Jews desperate to flee the conquering Romans, the dig's
directors said.

The Second Temple was the center of Jewish worship during the second
Jewish Commonwealth, which spanned the six centuries preceding the Roman
conquest of Jerusalem. Its expansion was the most famous construction
project of Herod, the Jewish proxy ruler of the Holy Land under imperial
Roman occupation from 37 B.C.

As the temple was being destroyed by the Romans in 70 A.D., numerous
people took shelter in the drainage channel and lived inside it until
they fled Jerusalem through its southern end, the historian Josephus
Flavius wrote in "The War of the Jews."

"It was a place where people hid and fled to from burning, destroyed
Jerusalem," Shukron said.

Tens of thousands of people lived in Jerusalem at the time, but it is
not clear how many used the channel to escape, he said.

About 100 yards of the channel have been uncovered so far. Reich
estimates its total length will reach more than a half-mile, stretching
north from the Shiloah Pool at Jerusalem's southern end to the disputed
holy shrine known to Jews as Temple Mount and to Muslims as the Al Aqsa
Mosque compound. The shrine is the site of the two biblical Jewish temples.

Archaeologists think the tunnel leads to the Kidron River, which empties
into the Dead Sea.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: We are the Fourth Reich Reply with quote

PatrickSMcNally wrote:
Cracrocrates wrote:
Well, MattMarriott may be more fringe than even most of this thread, but I like some (though not all) of his opinions on ethnic mass murders of World War II:

Why is the number of 6 million STILL prevail in peoples mind when even the Jews themselves now officialy admit that the number is lower?


The correct place to start with regards to that should be "why do people get arrested and thrown in prison without a legitimate trial simply because they've expressed a historical judgment which conflicts with the six million fable?" MattMarriott has always struck me as a diversionary artist who steers things away from the real point and tries to get everyone to bury their heads in the Illuminati. It's a normal thing in historical analysis that people will try to analyze the question of "how many?" to the best of their ability in connection with the available historical evidence. The comment made by MM about "even the Jews themselves now officially admit" is meaningless and diversionary because who exactly are "the Jews"? The anti-Denial laws which the US has made possible all across Europe and which could potentially come into effect here as well have made it a routine thing for people to get harassed on the basis of sentiments just like what MM attributes to "the Jews." How about identifying more the people who pushed the actual laws through as well their cohorts in the Anti-Defamation League over here who seek to promote "hate speech" laws as a way of imitating Europe's censorship? That would be more germaine than a generic statement about "even the Jews."

Cracrocrates wrote:
(NOTE: MattMarriott says Zundel is just a hoax...which he may be according to other stuff I've read. I doubt that Rudolf is a hoax though and Marriott does not mention Rudolf, which is probably why he was deported and jailed. Rudolf has a phD in chemistry which made him potentially more dangerous than Zundel...no matter what he was debating.Serious people, like Finkelstein, at a minimum lose their jobs.)


MM is a smear and cover-up artist. No, with regards to Zundel, the main point to bear in mind is that Zundel is not an academic of any sort. He heard about the issues raised by Paul Rassinier and then Robert Faurisson and became an effective activist at trying to promote awareness of these issues, but Zundel if just left to comment on his own on historical matters outside of the domain of his experience with the Canadian police state will easily go off on extraneous tangents with incorrect statements. Zundel does not have the academic background which more professional revisionists such as Carlo Mattogno or trained chemists such as Germar Rudolf do.

But Zundel's early trials were pivotal in a way which makes no sense from the point of view of any official powers. The record of Raul Hilberg's testimony in the 1985 trial is reprinted in the published volume of the 1988 trial which appeared under the title DID SIX MILLION REALLY DIE? The latter title had been the title of a short pamphlet published in the early 1970s which has some errors in it. Robert Faurisson discusses some of the errors in the original pamphlet in his published testimony at the 1988 trial. But that small pamphlet was the basis for Zundel's original trial in 1985 and all subsequent trials. The push for overt "anti-Denial" laws in Europe which got going in the early 1990s was definitely motivated to a large extent by the way that Zundel's legal case had made it clear that the Holocaust-Emperor Has No Clothes. That was not a staged event.

I'd encourage anyone who really has doubts on the latter point to get ahold of a copy of DID SIX MILLION REALLY DIE?: REPORT OF THE EVIDENCE IN THE CANADIAN "FALSE NEWS" TRIAL OF ERNST ZUNDEL -- 1988. I list the lengthy subtitle to better distinguish this from the original pamphlet DID SIX MILLION REALLY DIE? which is reprinted at the very back of the book. The volume was edited by Barbara Kulaszka, a member of Zundel's legal defense team. This volume is unique in that it was the one and only time when establishment historians like Raul Hilberg and others were obligated to engage in a debate with questions and answers against the revisionists. IF MM tries telling you that this was all a rigged hoax it's because MM doesn't want you looking at such material. Move along, nothing to see here, keep looking straight ahead.


The things I learn at BFN.....

tks for the link

http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/13felderer.html

very interesting insight into perceptual manipulation of which I too was a victim.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They were certainly strange times.
A bit further ahead we have them culminating with the Battle of the Boyne 1690, the "Battle that never was"!

Do you remember this old audio from Fintan :-

http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=208

Quote:


Exposed: The Hidden History of the World

First ever public interview with Andrew Power,
author of 'Ireland: Land of The Paraohs'.

A mind-blowing book, launched on the internet on Nov. 1st., 2005, which draws together the hidden threads of history to reveal our ancient origin. But, not just a book of our history, it places this in a modern context to show how powerful interests with esoteric knowledge are clouding our past from us, even as they act out its secret rituals.

TOPICS:
•The destruction of an ancient civilization. •The true purpose and actual location of Noah's Ark. •An exodus to Egypt and return to Ireland. •The roots of Esoteric knowledge. •Hidden ritual and its public face as Catholic fought Protestant in the Battle of the Boyne. •The House of Stuart, the House of Orange and the implications for Diana. •An atonishing analysis of the celestial arrangements in the sky over that battle. •The role of masonic, illuminati and other secret orders. •Their links to Houses of power and royal bloodlines. •The origin of Fiat money. •Secrets of the Parasitical Elite. •And more.

"Who controls the past, controls the future.
Who controls the present controls the past."
--George Orwell, 1984



All that strange and "unbelievable" stuff about the Pyramids on the Nile being a mirror of the River Boyne and its prehistoric sites now doesn't sounds so strange if Fomenko's research is to be "believed"!

And what about those prehistoric sites?
Stonehenge seems more primitive (and so older?) than the Pryamids
and Calanais(Callanish) on the Isle of Lewis, NW Scotland looks even older.
Here's some photos here :-

http://www.calanaisstones.co.uk/gallery.php

Who built these stone structures? And when?

And if the Ancient Greeks and Romans are a myth, who built all those straight roads in Central Scotland and elsewhere? The Byzantinians?!
Or was it just the quickest, easiest way to get from A-B on low lying relatively flat terrain!

If you look at Celtic/Pictish Art, they were kinda more into curves.
Where do the Celts fit into all of this?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

James D wrote:
They were certainly strange times.
A bit further ahead we have them culminating with the Battle of the Boyne 1690, the "Battle that never was"!

Do you remember this old audio from Fintan :-

http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=208

Quote:


Exposed: The Hidden History of the World

First ever public interview with Andrew Power,
author of 'Ireland: Land of The Paraohs'.

A mind-blowing book, launched on the internet on Nov. 1st., 2005, which draws together the hidden threads of history to reveal our ancient origin. But, not just a book of our history, it places this in a modern context to show how powerful interests with esoteric knowledge are clouding our past from us, even as they act out its secret rituals.

TOPICS:
•The destruction of an ancient civilization. •The true purpose and actual location of Noah's Ark. •An exodus to Egypt and return to Ireland. •The roots of Esoteric knowledge. •Hidden ritual and its public face as Catholic fought Protestant in the Battle of the Boyne. •The House of Stuart, the House of Orange and the implications for Diana. •An atonishing analysis of the celestial arrangements in the sky over that battle. •The role of masonic, illuminati and other secret orders. •Their links to Houses of power and royal bloodlines. •The origin of Fiat money. •Secrets of the Parasitical Elite. •And more.

"Who controls the past, controls the future.
Who controls the present controls the past."
--George Orwell, 1984



All that strange and "unbelievable" stuff about the Pyramids on the Nile being a mirror of the River Boyne and its prehistoric sites now doesn't sounds so strange if Fomenko's research is to be "believed"!

And what about those prehistoric sites?
Stonehenge seems more primitive (and so older?) than the Pryamids
and Calanais(Callanish) on the Isle of Lewis, NW Scotland looks even older.
Here's some photos here :-

http://www.calanaisstones.co.uk/gallery.php

Who built these stone structures? And when?

And if the Ancient Greeks and Romans are a myth, who built all those straight roads in Central Scotland and elsewhere? The Byzantinians?!
Or was it just the quickest, easiest way to get from A-B on low lying relatively flat terrain!

If you look at Celtic/Pictish Art, they were kinda more into curves.
Where do the Celts fit into all of this?


(edit) b,i to B,I
Britain and Ireland. Like two green moon stones, but jaded.



The Celts are Israelites Under Another Name.


The word Celt is the Anglicised form of the Greek word Keltoi, which means "the people who are different.*" In Scripture, all nations, except the Twelve Tribes of Israel, are referred to as Gentiles (Foreigners), so the only people who are different are Israel. The word Celt is therefore another word for Israelite. The Celts are part of the Ten "lost" Tribes of Israel; as are the Tuatha de Danaan and Milesians. The Irish people are a mixture of Celts; Danaans; Milesians; Judah/Zarahites (of the "Red Hand" - Genesis 38:28-30§); (Dan-ish) Vikings and Norsemen and are all racially cousins.


* Deuteronomy 14:2 For thou [art] an holy people unto the "I AM" thy God, and the "I AM" hath chosen thee to be a peculiar* people unto Himself, above all the nations that [are] upon the earth.
* Special - Different (Oxford dictionary).


§ Genesis 38:28 And it came to pass, when she travailed, that [the one] put out [his] hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first.
38:29 And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? Why has thou made [this] breach against thee? Therefore his name was called Pharez (Breach).
38:30 And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah (Scarlet).

(Please see "The True Origin of The Ulster Flag" article.)




Therefore the Celts, according to God, are Israelites.

The Irish Celts held three sacred assemblies every year at Tara§ during Bealtaine; Lughnasadh and Samhain which assured an abundance of corn and milk; freedom from conquest; the enjoyment of Righteous Laws; comfort in every house; fruit in great abundance, and plenty of fish in their lakes, rivers, and estuaries, exactly as God guaranteed Israel in The Torah/Tara, if they kept The Covenant. Also, during the Feast of Tara/Torah the kings of Ireland used to settle the affairs of Ireland for seven years, so that debts, suits and adjustments used not to be submitted for judgement until the next feast, seven years later, which the Torah calls the 'Year of the "I AM's" Release'** when all debts were forgiven, every seven years. This proves that Irish Celtic law was based on The Torah and is further confirmation that the Celts are Israelites.


** Deuteronomy 15:1 At the end of [every] seven years thou shalt make a release.
15:2 And this [is] the manner of the release: Every creditor that lendeth [ought] unto his neighbour shall release [it]; he shall not exact [it] of his neighbour, or of his brother; because it is called the "I AM"'s release.

§ Deuteronomy 16:16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the "I AM" thy God in the place which He shall choose; in the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and in the Feast of Weeks, and in the Feast of Tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the "I AM" empty:
16:17 Every man [shall give] as he is able, according to the blessing of the "I AM" thy God which He hath given thee (corn; milk; fish; etc.; etc.; etc.).
16:18 Judges and officers shalt thou make thee in all thy gates, which the "I AM" thy God giveth thee, throughout thy tribes: and they shall judge the people with just Judgment.
16:19 Thou shalt not pervert Judgment; thou shalt not respect persons, neither take a gift: for a gift doth blind the eyes of the wise, and pervert the words of the righteous.
16:20 That which is totally just shalt thou follow, that thou mayest live, and inherit the land which the "I AM" thy God giveth thee.


Also the word British is not English; it is Hebrew.
Brit (Berit) means Covenant in Hebrew and Welsh
Ish means man or people of, in Hebrew and English
Therefore British means The People of The Covenant,
in other words, the People Israel of The Covenant.

The Irish people have rejected the English (Davidic) monarchy and its ANTI-Covenant laws and that is good; very good.
However, the Celtish / Irish people are Israelites descended from Jacob/Israel's fifth of his twelve sons, who was called Dan and fathered the Tuatha de Danaan - the Tribe of Dan (the Irish and Danish). Therefore the Irish people are Celtish / British-Israelites by birth i.e. People of The Covenant in the Torah in the Bible and in The Ark, which is buried at Tara.

Reject the House of Windsor's ANTI-Covenant and therefore illegal laws (Deuteronomy 4:2), by all means possible, but do not reject your birthright as Israelites and British people, with YOUR own emblem the War Queen of Ireland, with Trident and Olive Twig - Teia Tephi.
Tephi, symbolised by Britannia, the sixth century B.C. queen of all Ireland.

If you reject your Birth-Right as Israelites, you are insulting God Who gave your Birthright to you, along with The Covenant.
Ireland is also called Hibernia - Hebernia from Heber/Eber the great grand-dad of Abraham who was the grand-dad of Jacob/Israel from whom the Celts are descended.

Hebernia (Ireland) means Hebrew's new land.
Heberia - Iberia (Spain) means Hebrew's land.
The Basque; Galician; Asturian and Guipuzcoan Celts are your cousins.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

city trader wrote:



Heberia - Iberia (Spain) means Hebrew's land.
The Basque; Galician; Asturian and Guipuzcoan Celts are your cousins.




Actually Guipuzcoa is in the Basque country, but the thing that really differs the Basques from the rest of the Iberian peninsula is their language - Euskera. It is unlike any other language. I read somewhere that the only language that bears any resemblance is an ancient lost dialect from the Syria/Iran region. So maybe they really are the lost tribe of Israel.

city trader, dude, I don't know about all that Bible-God stuff that you quote, but if it's what you believe then fair enough, I'm certainly not going to argue with you.

But this thread is discussing the work of the Russian mathematician Fomenko (or was before the holocaust diversion) and the revelations of his book which put into serious question everything written in the Bible, all accepted historical facts and in particular WHEN these events took place.
I guess you don't accept any of it.

Did you read any of the previous posts or the beginning of the thread?
How do you feel about the Israelites maybe being the Byzantines, Romans and Greeks all rolled into one and having existed only 600-700 years ago?
Mind-blowing isn't it?!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James D wrote:
city trader wrote:



Heberia - Iberia (Spain) means Hebrew's land.
The Basque; Galician; Asturian and Guipuzcoan Celts are your cousins.




Actually Guipuzcoa is in the Basque country, but the thing that really differs the Basques from the rest of the Iberian peninsula is their language - Euskera. It is unlike any other language. I read somewhere that the only language that bears any resemblance is an ancient lost dialect from the Syria/Iran region. So maybe they really are the lost tribe of Israel.

city trader, dude, I don't know about all that Bible-God stuff that you quote, but if it's what you believe then fair enough, I'm certainly not going to argue with you.

But this thread is discussing the work of the Russian mathematician Fomenko (or was before the holocaust diversion) and the revelations of his book which put into serious question everything written in the Bible, all accepted historical facts and in particular WHEN these events took place.
I guess you don't accept any of it.

Did you read any of the previous posts or the beginning of the thread?
How do you feel about the Israelites maybe being the Byzantines, Romans and Greeks all rolled into one and having existed only 600-700 years ago?
Mind-blowing isn't it?!



"Mind-blowing isn't it?!" No Exclamation

Soni lunar reconing. You cant fake planets lining up as a DATUM.

In the year 7 B.C. there was a conjunction of Jupiter (the king of the planets) and Saturn (thought to be the protector of Israel) in the Constellation of Pisces (the Sign of the Messiah), as computed in 1603 by the Astronomer Royal in Prague - Johannes Kepler, that was first visible at daybreak on the 12th of April 7 B.C. (Passover in 7 B.C. was on Monday April 13th which commenced at sundown on the 12th). The earth-shattering significance of this conjunction – Messiah; King; Protector of Israel; Passover - would have been unmistakable to the Levitical Druid astronomers in the British Isles, where the monarch was also the Archdruid.


The Stonehenge observatory, situated on the Salisbury Plains of Southern England, remains to most modern researchers, one of the foremost mysteries of British antiquity. It is far too often hastily concluded by researchers, that we will never truly know what the site was constructed for; but this is a view, far too constrained by the thinking of those who seek to fit the Universe into their ability to comprehend it, rather than seek to expand their comprehension to be able to understand the Universe.
It is possible that; like the recently unlocked and revealed mathematical "Bible Code" which has been known about for centuries by great pioneer-explorers of the unknown, like Isaac Newton, but never actually deciphered and interpreted, until recent decades when the computer was invented; Stonehenge is encoded using technology or technologies that mankind has not yet realized and, like The Bible, will unfold and grow as people's comprehension and understanding expands to enable them to absorb and utilize the higher technologies for their benefit, and not their destruction, as technologies in this day-and-age are often misused, by rich; powerful and greedy people to exalt their own personal wealth and status, at the expense of their fellow human+Beings. First of all, mankind must learn unselfishness and how to live as one, in the limited state we are presently in; before we can expect to excel into the realms of real technology - into the technologies of the greater Universe, which already does exist as One.

Although Stonehenge is a very sophisticated standing stone circle whose entire workings have not yet become apparent, there are aspects of it which conform exactly with and are instruments of discernment of the ancient and basic Sabbatical Calendar System, as was described in The Law, which was handed to Moses at Mt. Sinai, by The King and Ruler of The Universe, for the whole world to be able to live by, in peace and harmony, as One, with Him and the rest of The Universe. The Law is recorded in the first 5 Books of The Holy Bible - Genesis; Exodus; Leviticus; Numbers and Deuteronomy, the original Scrolls of which are kept in The Ark of The Covenant, which is by far the Greatest Treasure on Earth, and is concealed in a hidden subterranean Mergech (tomb) at The Hill of Tara, Co. Meath, Ireland; awaiting the Great Day of Revealing.

The Sabbatical Calendar system was encoded at Stonehenge, on the outer-most circle at the site, known as the Aubrey Circuit, with its 56 posts, representing counting positions. The Aubrey Circle was also used for lunar cycle calculations, but to simplify the explanation of the workings of the Sabbatical Calendar, a single 7-pointed star, with star-ray points at every eighth post position, is used.




Figure 1. Stonehenge.
(Blue circle denotes Aubrey Circuit)



Figure 1: The 7-pointed star used for calculating the Sabbatical Calendar on the Aubrey Circuit at Stonehenge. The system was built around the 13-month lunar year, with each month being exactly 28 days in duration (364-days).
In this system there was a deficit error of close to 1.25 days per annum, when compared to the true solar year. Rather than disrupt society by making annual corrections to the calendar, the system was allowed to run for 7 years until the Sabbatical year. At the termination of the 7th year, there was a festival of 8 days, in which the calendar was corrected before the beginning of the next year, and the cycle then recommenced.


Deuteronomy 15:1 At the end of [every] seven years thou shalt make a release.
15:2 And this [is] the manner of the release: Every creditor that lendeth [ought] unto his neighbour shall release [it]; he shall not exact [it] of his neighbour, or of his brother; because it is called the "I AM"'s release.
31:10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of [every] seven years, in the solemnity of The Year of Release, in the Feast of Tabernacles,
31:11 When all Israel is come to appear before the "I AM" thy God in the place which He shall choose, thou shalt read this Law (God's Laws of Liberty) before all Israel in their hearing.
31:12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that [is] within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the "I AM" your God, and observe to do all the words of this Law:


Under this age-old system originating in the Middle-East (Mt. Sinai), each 7th day was a Sabbath, each 7th month was a Sabbatical Month (equaling 28 Sabbath Days), each 7th year was a Sabbatical Year (equaling 13 Sabbatical months) and the 7th Sabbatical Year was special, inasmuch as major correction occurred then, before commencement of the 50th or Jubile Year.


Exodus 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. It is NOT wrong to do GOOD deeds on the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for man. Man was not made for the Sabbath.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day [is] the Sabbath of the "I AM" thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
20:11 For [in] six days the "I AM" made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the "I AM" blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Leviticus 16:29 And [this] shall be a Statute for ever unto you: [that] in the seventh month, on the tenth [day] of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, [whether it be] one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
16:30 For on that day shall [the priest] make an atonement (at-one-ment) for you, to cleanse you, [that] ye may be clean from all your sins before the "I AM".

Leviticus 25:1 And the "I AM" spoke unto Moses in mount Sinai, saying,
25:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a Sabbath unto the "I AM".
25:3 Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof;
25:4 But in the seventh year shall be a Sabbath of rest unto the land, a Sabbath for the "I AM": thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.
25:5 That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: [for] it is a year of rest unto the land.
25:6 And the Sabbath of the land shall be meat for you; for thee, and for thy servant, and for thy maid, and for thy hired servant, and for thy stranger that sojourneth with thee,
25:7 And for thy cattle, and for the beasts that [are] in thy land, shall all the increase thereof be meat.
25:8 And thou shalt number seven Sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven Sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.
25:9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of The Jubile to sound on the tenth [day] of the seventh month, in The Day of Atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
25:10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim Liberty throughout [all] the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a Jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.
25:11 A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather [the grapes] in it of thy vine undressed.
25:12 For it [is] The Jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field.
25:13 In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession.
25:14 And if thou sell ought unto thy neighbour, or buyest [ought] of thy neighbour's hand, ye shall not oppress one another:
25:15 According to the number of years after The Jubile thou shalt buy of thy neighbour, [and] according unto the number of years of the fruits he shall sell unto thee:
25:16 According to the multitude of years thou shalt increase the price thereof, and according to the fewness of years thou shalt diminish the price of it: for [according] to the number [of the years] of the fruits doth he sell unto thee.
25:17 Ye shall not therefore oppress one another; but thou shalt fear thy God: for I [am] the "I AM" your God.


One of the functions of the 56 Aubrey posts was to count out a full Sabbatical cycle, such that all would be correct and running true before the outset of a Jubile year.


The Aubrey Circuit worked like this:

a). The cycle commenced in the space between post 56 and 1, where the "Slaughter Stone*" is situated, just inside the Avenue, which is located at the North-East side of the Stonehenge site. Each post was assigned a value of 364 days (52 weeks - 13 lunar months of 28 days each - 1 year).

* Shown in the foreground of the photo at top of this article.

b). The count would move clockwise through 7 spaces and 7 posts, culminating in a passage of 7 years or 2548 days. This meant that an error of 1.25 days had built up each year, for 7 years (based on the rise of Sirius... 365.25 days) and the calendar was now 8.75 days in arrears - 8 full days and 3/4 of a day.

c). The 8th space acted as a division between one Sabbatical Year period and the next and the 8th post (the first star-ray point) was assigned a "catch-up" value of 8 days which was added to the 2548 days already accrued. The new Sabbatical Year, therefore, commenced on the 2556th day with only .75 of a day of deficit error. The process was then duplicated through each span between the 7 star-ray points, with posts 8, 16, 24, 32, 40, 48 and 56 all providing 8 intercalary days each to correct the calendar before completion of the Circuit and commencement of a new Sabbatical period.

d). At the end of the 7th Sabbatical period (49 years) the last of the 8 intercalary days were added at the post 56 position (the 7th star-ray point), plus an additional 5 days (13 days total). The 5 additional days were the result of the .75 of a day of deficit (based on the Sirius Year count of 365.25 days) per Sabbatical Year period x 7 such periods (5.25 days actual). The .25 of a day beyond 5 days was sacrificed to render the 49 year average at 365.245 days per annum. The precise figure sought after was 365.242 days (Mayan Year) and the margin of error, after 49 years, was around 4 minutes and 17 seconds... based on nothing more than counting posts.

A major check and balance system for precise reckoning existed in observing the Equinox rises and sets, but the 56 posts could be used to teach initiates the mathematical basis of the Sabbatical cycle concept and to keep-track of the progress of the Sabbatical Calendar position.

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The Sabbatical Calendar system, being built-into Britain's country-side, is another one of the many clues that proves that the British peoples are Israel; and just cannot be completely hidden away, by the "System's" hierarchy, who wish to hide the Truth from the sheeple, in order to control and enslave them, with their illegal (under God's Perfect Laws of Liberty) and Satanic legislation, which is designed to make themselves (the rich) richer and everyone else poor and slaves to them.
When the British peoples of the world (Britain; The Commonwealth; USA; etc.) find the Truth, that they are all the literal descendants of God's servant Nation, Israel, who were given The Perfectly Just Legal System by The Ruler of The Universe, that ensures total freedom and prosperity for all, and in which any alteration or legislation is strictly prohibited and punishable by death; they then have all the ammunition that they need, to fight and win the class-war and win back their, and the rest of the world's, freedom from the oppression and injustice, that the whole world is presently suffering from, under the unjust legislation that the hierarchy of the New World Order is using to deceive and enslave them all.


ONLY the TRUTH can set you free.
Fighting, using the Truth, to have God's Laws and Judgments reinstated as the only Law on Planet Earth, is the ONLY WAY to defeat the New World Order and Unite the whole world in Peace, as One; as it is God's Way and His Will, and therefore He WILL be 100% with you, guiding you every step of The Way and helping you to fight and win, to bring True Freedom and Justice for All and an end to these dark times of oppression; injustice and dearth.
...And then, when we have found True Peace and Unity on Planet Earth, we can then progress into the realms of real learning and real technology and accelerate towards becoming One with the rest of The Universe...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James D wrote:
But this thread is discussing the work of the Russian mathematician Fomenko (or was before the holocaust diversion) and the revelations of his book which put into serious question everything written in the Bible, all accepted historical facts and in particular WHEN these events took place.
I guess you don't accept any of it.

James D,
You're right. This is a Fomenko/New Chronology thread.

Peter's right...I hijacked my own thread.
I veered off-topic with my MLK Plagiarism/Catholic Church post back on page 9, which I should have posted as new topic(s) in "General Discussion." The Shakespeare stuff was maybe borderline but (I feel) still relevant enough, since it's timeline is essentially at the end of Fomenko's timelines (14th and 15th centuries); Shakespeare's Histories & Plays are sometimes the only major "historical" source remaining. My Gunpowder Plot post should have been in its own topic, since its more political than a discussion of chronology. The Genocide/Holocaust stuff also are ALSO NOT CHRONOLOGY-RELATED and should have been new topics as well. [EDIT: I just moved my last two posts not related to chronology to new threads now, one on post WWII genocides, the other on the Gunpowder plot]

city trader wrote:
"Mind-blowing isn't it?!" No

Soni lunar reconing. You cant fake planets lining up as a DATUM.


city trader,
You want to provide evidence of Stonehenge's age? Then Great! This is a thread debating chronology.
But that's not what you did.
You cut and pasted an entire webpage from probably either
http://www.celticnz.co.nz/US9.html or
http://jahtruth.co.uk/celtic.htm
the latter of which is heavily laden with UFO posts and George Lucas received the incites to write Star Wars "telepathically."

At the very least, NOT CITING PASTED SOURCES IS BAD FORM.
Feels like you're trying to clutter the thread (which I apologize as well for from straying from the CHRONOLOGY-related topics.)When posting an entire web page like that, and not pointing out the particular snippets of information that lend evidence to your thesis, you come off as a TROLL. You didn't even selectively edit the parts with Picture Captions...and if the pictures are relevant, that's where POSTING YOUR SOURCE can come in handy so we know what those pics look like.

Don't just go "SELECT ALL" on a webpage and post in the threads, please.
Half that stuff was Bible verses, and if there were particular verses that you had pointed to as how they related to dating Stonehenge, then that would have been okay and maybe relevant....BUT YOU ALSO HAVE NOT READ THE FOMENKO BOOKS EITHER WHERE HE EXPLAINS THAT EVEN WITH PLANETARY ALIGNMENTS, THERE CAN BE MORE THAN ONE SOLUTION SOMETIMES.

Fomenko and several other Russian academics spent over 20 years researching their 7-volume, PROFESSIONALLY CITED, series...which is what this thread's topic is about. That doesn't mean there can't be a difference of opinion, or that the Fomenko group is always right...which is why I have posted sections from other NewChron academics or websites as well.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cracrocrates wrote:
James D wrote:
But this thread is discussing the work of the Russian mathematician Fomenko (or was before the holocaust diversion) and the revelations of his book which put into serious question everything written in the Bible, all accepted historical facts and in particular WHEN these events took place.
I guess you don't accept any of it.

James D,
You're right. This is a Fomenko/New Chronology thread.

Peter's right...I hijacked my own thread.
I veered off-topic with my MLK Plagiarism/Catholic Church post back on page 9, which I should have posted as new topic(s) in "General Discussion." The Shakespeare stuff was maybe borderline but (I fell) still relevant enough, since it's timeline is essentially at the end of Fomenko's timelines (14th and 15th centuries). Shakespeare's Histories & Plays are sometimes the only major "historical" source remaining. My Gunpowder Plot post should have been in its own topic, since its more political than a discussion of chronology. The Genocide/Holocaust stuff also are ALSO NOT CHRONOLOGY-RELATED and should have been new topics as well.

city trader wrote:
"Mind-blowing isn't it?!" No

Soni lunar reconing. You cant fake planets lining up as a DATUM.


city trader,
You want to provide evidence of Stonehenge's age? Then Great! This is a thread debating chronology.
But that's not what you did.
You cut and pasted an entire webpage from probably either
http://www.celticnz.co.nz/US9.html or
http://jahtruth.co.uk/celtic.htm
the latter of which is heavily laden with UFO posts and George Lucas received the incites to write Star Wars "telepathically."

At the very least, NOT CITING PASTED SOURCES IS BAD FORM.
Feels like you're trying to clutter the thread (which I apologize as well for from straying from the CHRONOLOGY-related topics.)When posting an entire web page like that, and not pointing out the particular snippets of information that lend evidence to your thesis, you come off as a TROLL. You didn't even selectively edit the parts with Picture Captions...and if the pictures are relevant, that's where POSTING YOUR SOURCE can come in handy so we know what those pics look like.

Don't just go "SELECT ALL" on a webpage and post in the threads, please.
Have that stuff was Bible verses, and if there were particular verses that you had pointed to as how they related to dating Stonehenge, then that would have been okay and maybe relevant....BUT YOU ALSO HAVE NOT READ THE FOMENKO BOOKS EITHER WHERE HE EXPLAINS THAT EVEN WITH PLANETARY ALIGNMENTS, THERE CAN BE MORE THAN ONE SOLUTION SOMETIMES.

Fomenko and several other Russian academics spent over 20 years researching their 7-volume, PROFESSIONALLY CITED, series...which is what this thread's topic is about. That doesn't mean there can't be a difference of opinion, or that the Fomenko group is always right...which is why I have posted sections from other NewChron academics as well.



"the latter of which is heavily laden with UFO posts and George Lucas received the incites to write Star Wars "telepathically."


Do you think UFO's are hi tech Question


"telepathically." Divinely inspired.

There everywhere books, films, news,ect.



"BUT YOU ALSO HAVE NOT READ THE FOMENKO BOOKS EITHER WHERE HE EXPLAINS THAT EVEN WITH PLANETARY ALIGNMENTS, THERE CAN BE MORE THAN ONE SOLUTION SOMETIMES."

Solution to what. Question
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