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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: GORE Reply with quote

marlin wrote:
RockDock wrote:
Do you have a quick link for that?

thanks


Here you go: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/corporate_law/article2633838.ece

According the BBC, "Gore deliberately made his movie one-sided..."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7030000/newsid_7038700/7038767.stm?


Hmm, the business.timeonline.co.uk link does not seem to be complete.

The BBC link has spotty audio.. I canna seem to find it on google either.

Thanks for trying though . Smile

Ahh, I found the bits I was looking for on Junkscience.org. Of course, if one quotes junkscience to a Gore-head then one will be dismissed as listening to tobacco lobbyists.. Oh well, the guardian link is there too.

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[http://www.junkscience.com/oct07.html] who in turn link to http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,2188015,00.html ]

In order for the film to be shown, the Government must first amend their Guidance Notes to Teachers to make clear that:

1. The Film is a political work and promotes only one side of the argument.
2. If teachers present the Film without making this plain they may be in breach of section 406 of the Education Act 1996 and guilty of political indoctrination.
3. Eleven inaccuracies have to be specifically drawn to the attention of school children.

The specified inaccuracies are:

* The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming.
The Government’s expert was forced to concede that this is not correct.
* The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years.
The Court found that the film was misleading: over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years.
* The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming.
The Government’s expert had to accept that it was “not possible” to attribute one-off events to global warming.
* The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming.
The Government’s expert had to accept that this was not the case.
* The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice.
It turned out that Mr Gore had misread the study: in fact four polar bears drowned and this was because of a particularly violent storm.
* The film threatens that global warming could stop the Gulf Stream throwing Europe into an ice age
The Claimant’s evidence was that this was a scientific impossibility.
* The film blames global warming for species losses including coral reef bleaching.
The Government could not find any evidence to support this claim.
* The film suggests that the Greenland ice covering could melt causing sea levels to rise dangerously.
The evidence is that Greenland will not melt for millennia.
* The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting
* The evidence was that it is in fact increasing. The film suggests that sea levels could rise by 7m causing the displacement of millions of people.
In fact the evidence is that sea levels are expected to rise by about 40cm over the next hundred years and that there is no such threat of massive migration.
* The film claims that rising sea levels has caused the evacuation of certain Pacific islands to New Zealand.
The Government are unable to substantiate this and the Court observed that this appears to be a false claim.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Save our kids
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For the film to be lawfully shown in school, the court ruled, government must describe the film as a political work that promotes only one side of the argument. The court further ruled that the government must advise teachers who present the film without making its political nature plain that they may be in breach of Section 406 of the Education Act and guilty of political indoctrination. Eleven inaccuracies needed to be specifically drawn to the attention of schoolchildren.

The 11 inaccuracies that the court found are not quibbles. They represent the film's most spectacular claims about the dangers of global warming, and form the very basis of the film. Were the film to be edited to have these inaccuracies removed, in fact, vanishingly little would be left.

- The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro demonstrate global warming. The government's expert was forced to concede that this is not correct.

- The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 caused temperature increases over 650,000 years. The court found that the film was misleading: Over that period, the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800 to 2,000 years.

- The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina, which it suggests was caused by global warming. The government's expert had to accept that it was "not possible" to attribute one-off events to global warming. - The film attributes the drying up of Lake Chad to global warming. The government's expert had to accept that this was not the case.

- The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing Arctic ice. It turned out that Gore had misread the study: In fact, four polar bears drowned because of a particularly violent storm.

- The film threatens that global warming could stop the Gulf Stream, throwing Europe into an ice age. The claimant's evidence was that this was a scientific impossibility.

- The film blames global warming for species losses, including coral reef bleaching. The government could not find any evidence to support this claim.

- The film suggests that the Greenland ice covering could melt, causing sea levels to rise dangerously. The evidence is that Greenland will not melt for millennia.

- The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting. The evidence was that it is in fact increasing.

- The film suggests that sea levels could rise by seven metres, causing the displacement of millions of people. In fact, the evidence is that sea levels are expected to rise by about 40 centimetres over the next 100 years, and that there is no such threat of massive migration.

- The film claims that rising sea levels have caused the evacuation of certain Pacific islands to New Zealand. The government was unable to substantiate this claim and the court observed that this appears to be a false claim.

The judge's final decision is expected within the week. It promises to change how and what students are taught, and to empower teachers and students alike who choose to think for themselves. In classrooms in Canada and elsewhere around the world, meanwhile, our children are not empowered to question the conventional wisdom on climate change, and teachers continue to show An Inconvenient Truth without any guidance to the children in their charge.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/comment/story.html?id=4b5691e1-b6c1-4de1-997b-95cb7f2d6756&k=93774&p=2
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A forceful presentation by Bob Carter:



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeez, posting Carter's talk will bring out the Gore-ites. They hate, triple hate Prof. Carter.

I think the guy has balls o' steel and I salute his tenacity and his saneness.

Oh, and I agree with him.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:32 am    Post subject: The Cost of Global Frauding Reply with quote

The Cost of Global Frauding

News Update by Staff of Senator Inhofe

The Lieberman-Warner bill will burden American families with additional energy costs and significantly harm the United States economy... CO2 cap-and-trade schemes were exposed by a recent CBO study as creating massive wealth redistribution from the poor and working class to wealthier Americans. Further, according to a MIT study released earlier this year, cap-and-trade legislation introduced earlier in the Senate this year by Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and Senator Boxer (D-CA) would cost energy sector consumers an amount equal to $4,500 per American family of four. The same study found a bill sponsored by Senator Lieberman and Senator McCain (R-AZ) would cost consumers $3,500 per family of four. And a new EPA analysis shows the Lieberman - McCain bill would cost up to half a trillion dollars by 2030 and $1.3 trillion by 2050 - and that was based on assumptions designed to low-ball the number, begging the question of how high the real figure would be.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:36 pm    Post subject: Senate Floor Speech - The Science is Turning. Reply with quote

Senate Floor Speech
The Science is Turning
October 26, 2007


Excerpts:

The American people will soon be asked to support global warming cap-and-trade legislation that will be billed as a "solution" to global warming. These bills come at a time when the science is overwhelmingly taking away the basis for alarm.

An abundance of new peer-reviewed studies, analyses, and data error discoveries in the last several months has prompted scientists to declare that fear of catastrophic man-made global warming "bites the dust" and the scientific underpinnings for alarm are "falling apart."

We are currently witnessing an international awakening of scientists who are speaking out in opposition to former Vice President Al Gore, the United Nations, the Hollywood elitists and the media-driven "consensus" on man-made global warming.

We have witnessed Antarctic ice GROW to record levels since satellite monitoring began in the 1970's. We have witnessed NASA temperature data errors that have made 1934 -- not 1998 -- the hottest year on record in the U.S. We have seen global averages temperatures flat line since 1998 and the Southern Hemisphere cool in recent years.

These new developments in just the last six months are but a sample of the new information coming out that continues to debunk climate alarm.

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Greenland has COOLED since the 1940's!

In fact, current temperatures in Greenland -- a poster boy for climate alarmists - are COOLER than the temperatures there in the 1930s and 1940s, according to multiple peer-reviewed studies.

Yes, you heard me correctly. Greenland has COOLED since the 1940s! A fact the media and global warming activists conceal.

Greenland reached its highest temperatures in 1941, according to a peer-reviewed study published in the June 2006 issue of the Journal of Geophysical Research. And, keep in mind that 80% of man-made CO2 came AFTER these high temperatures.

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Antarctica Ice GROWS to Record Levels

For more evidence that the Earth's current climate is not changing in an alarming manner, you need to look no further than the South Pole.

Scientists monitoring ice in Antarctica reported on October 1 that the ice has GROWN to record levels since 1979 satellite monitoring began. The ice record was announced on the University of Illinois Polar Research Group website.

"The Southern Hemisphere sea ice area has broken the previous maximum of 16.03 million square kilometers and is currently at 16.26 million square kilometers."

.........

Southern Hemisphere COOLING

The Southern Hemisphere is COOLING, according to UN scientist Dr. Madhav L. Khandekar, a retired Environment Canada scientist and an expert IPCC reviewer in 2007.

Dr. Khandekar explained on August 6, 2007:

"In the Southern Hemisphere, the land-area mean temperature has slowly but surely declined in the last few years. The city of Buenos Aires in Argentina received several centimeters of snowfall in early July, and the last time it snowed in Buenos Aires was in 1918! Most of Australia experienced one of its coldest months of June this year. Several other locations in the Southern Hemisphere have experienced lower temperatures in the last few years. Further, the sea surface temperatures over world oceans are slowly declining since mid-1998, according to a recent world-wide analysis of ocean surface temperatures."

........

Global warming has stopped

It is important to point out that the phase of global warming that started in 1979 has itself been halted since 1998.

You can almost hear my critics skeptical of that assertion. Well, it turns out not to be an assertion, but an irrefutable fact, according to the temperature data the UN relies on.

Paleoclimate scientist Dr. Bob Carter, who has testified before the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works, noted on June 18 of this year:

"The accepted global average temperature statistics used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) show that no ground-based warming has occurred since 1998. Oddly, this eight-year-long temperature stability has occurred despite an increase over the same period of 15 parts per million (or 4 per cent) in atmospheric CO2. Second, lower atmosphere satellite-based temperature measurements, if corrected for non-greenhouse influences such as El Nino events and large volcanic eruptions, show little if any global warming since 1979, a period over which atmospheric CO2 has increased by 55 parts per million (17 %)."



Complete Speech at Source

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:43 pm    Post subject: Inhofe Reply with quote

Edit: (I had asked who made the speech, then looked at the "highlights" page and got the answer there).

The speech is by Senator Inhofe. One's Gore-following friends have already written him off as a patsy for the oil industry, so you need not bother pointing them to the webpage.

Good points nonetheless.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:34 am    Post subject: When what was once up is now down, its time to turn around Reply with quote

I recall in the 70's that there was consensus that with falling global temperatures, we were headed into the next ice age......

One of the key areas of concern is still the north atlantic thermohaline conveyor. Even is north pole sea ice melting is localized (globally), it is the resultant cold fresh water that will disrupt the gulf stream flow. Once this occurs, Europe will cool off dramatically and those polar ice caps will become european ice caps......and that is not a new type of summer coffee drink Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:52 am    Post subject: Re: When what was once up is now down, its time to turn arou Reply with quote

Peter wrote:
... One of the key areas of concern is still the north atlantic thermohaline conveyor. Even is north pole sea ice melting is localized (globally), it is the resultant cold fresh water that will disrupt the gulf stream flow. Once this occurs, Europe will cool off dramatically and those polar ice caps will become european ice caps...


ERROR 3
Thermohaline circulation “stopping”

Gore says “global warming” may shut down the thermohaline circulation in the oceans, which he calls the “ocean conveyor,” plunging Europe into an ice age. It will not. A paper published in 2006 says: “Analyses of ocean observations and model simulations suggest that changes in the thermohaline circulation during the last century are likely the result of natural multidecadal climate variability. Indications of a sustained thermohaline circulation weakening are not seen during the last few decades. Instead, a strengthening since the 1980s is observed.” Ms. Kreider, for Mr. Gore, says that “multiple scientists” have claimed that we cannot exclude the possibility of the disruption or shutdown of the Conveyor. Disruption, perhaps: shutdown, no. It is now near-universally accepted that the thermohaline circulation cannot be and will not be shut down by “global warming,” and the film should have been corrected to reflect the consensus.

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/press_releases/monckton-response-to-gore-errors.pdf

http://luv.dkrz.de/publications_2005/pub_291_329.pdf
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:40 pm    Post subject: Gulf Stream - Nine Reply with quote

Gulf Stream - Nine.

One of the problems with the way global warming is hyped is the lack of basic logic and common sense. You can't get an ice age on one continent and heating on another. An ice age is a total cool-down of the planet. This is why scientists are now saying that even a disappearance of the "Gulf stream" in the Atlantic will not create an ice age. It would cool down Europe, but that would reduce the global warming. And then the Gulf Stream would start back up again. Ice ages are caused by other things.

How do you get both floods and droughts out of carbon dioxide? You change the terminology to "climate change." This means the carbon creates the droughts, and the oxygen creates the floods. Since it does two things, they call it CO2. If you don't believe that, it's because you promote big oil and big tobacco, and you refuse to look at the science of the subject. The IPCC said so; and it's peer reviewed science.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:30 pm    Post subject: Stephan-Boltzmann Constant Reply with quote

The Stephan-Boltzmann Constant

Another absurdity is the Stephan-Boltzmann constant. It supposedly shows how much infrared radiation is emitted from objects at any particular temperature. But it shows a ridiculously high number.

The Stephan-Boltzmann constant is this:

5.67051 x 10-8 ÷ K-4

This result is the number of watts per square meter of infrared radiation supposedly given off by matter at a temperature represented by K (degrees Kelvin). Emissivity must also be considered, but it is about 90-95% for most nonmetalic surfaces.

At a normal temperature of 27°C (80°F), the calculated result without emissivity is 459 W/m2.

On a hot day of 37°C (98°F), it's 524 W/m2.

It isn't happening. Normal temperature matter is not giving off that much infrared radiation. Virtually everything in physics is in error, unless someone gets the error corrected, which requires a lot more accountability than often exists.

I don't know how climatologists use the Stephan-Boltzmann constant in determining how much radiation is given off by the surface of the earth, but they show ridiculously high numbers, and it varies a lot from one estimate to another.

http://nov55.com/steph.html

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: The Supreme Court said so. Reply with quote

The Supreme Court said so

Think peak oil and wars, because the Supreme Court said carbon dioxide is a pollutant. The Supreme Court decision is now the basis for coal plants being shut down.

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Washington Post Article

Excerpt: The Kansas Department of Health and Environment yesterday became the first government agency in the United States to cite carbon dioxide emissions as the reason for rejecting an air permit for a proposed coal-fired electricity generating plant, saying that the greenhouse gas threatens public health and the environment. The decision marks a victory for environmental groups that are fighting proposals for new coal-fired plants around the country. It may be the first of a series of similar state actions inspired by a Supreme Court decision in April that asserted that greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide should be considered pollutants under the Clean Air Act.

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Why then allow oil and natural gas to pollute the atmosphere? Foreign oil and liquefied natural gas are replacing coal. LNG also produces carbon dioxide and has to be shipped from foreign countries in super cold tanks, which is extremely expensive. Expense means carbon dioxide. There is carbon dioxide produced from every dollar spent.

Supposedly, renewable energy sources will replace coal. But they are dead in the water, while coal plants are disappearing fast. Because of the unrealistic nature of renewable energy sources, oil and natural gas are replacing coal by default.

Nazism didn't have a philosophy; it used pseudo science to justify perverse values. Nazism is here. The energy pseudo science is no more real than creating the Arian race was. It is the pretext for global domination by a totalitarian government.

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