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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:20 pm    Post subject: I found an article Reply with quote

The Alpenhorn News
Increased illness linked to mystery powder
More mountain patients reporting sickness since yellow dust appeared
by Laurie A. Kelly

(excerpt)
The unexplained yellow powder that mysteriously appeared in mountain communities last Dec. 7 and again in February has prompted The Alpenhorn News to further investigation of the appearance of these aerial trails that many believe are the cause of the increase in respiratory problems plaguing mountain communities.

Chemtrails, the visible vapor streams left by low-altitude chemical spraying, have been under scrutiny for more than seven years now, since the first appearances of the heavy white streamers in the sky in early 1999. Despite the efforts of investigators, very little information has been released to the public.

http://www.alpenhornnews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=451



I had come across this article from looking at this Rigorous Intuition thread.
http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=3464.topic

This website was on the fakes list by the way. I'm not sure why, although it does focus in on high strangeness with an entertainment feel to it. I could see how it could fit into a psy-ops. Yet what is the proof that places it on the list?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:51 pm    Post subject: Funny Business in the Mountains Reply with quote

Thanks Paulo,
Here's the whole of that veeeerrry interesting news report:

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Increased illness linked to mystery powder

More mountain patients reporting sickness since yellow dust appeared

by Laurie A. Kelly

The unexplained yellow powder that mysteriously appeared in mountain communities last Dec. 7 and again in February has prompted The Alpenhorn News to further investigation of the appearance of these aerial trails that many believe are the cause of the increase in respiratory problems plaguing mountain communities.

Chemtrails, the visible vapor streams left by low-altitude chemical spraying, have been under scrutiny for more than seven years now, since the first appearances of the heavy white streamers in the sky in early 1999. Despite the efforts of investigators, very little information has been released to the public.

Locally, the issue surfaced in early December when many mountain residents observed a fine, slippery yellow powder on their cars and around the exterior of their homes.

Gretchen Sherman, who lives in Cedar Glen, said she was concerned enough about the situation that she notified the South Coast Air Quality Management District and the agency sent an inspector to her home. The man took a sample, she said, and tentatively identified the powder as cedar pollen.

However, a biologist told this newspaper that December is not the season when cedar pollen normally appears, and that when it does appear, in the spring, it does not “explode.” Several witnesses said they had seen a yellow cloud “exploding” in the skies over the Lake Arrowhead area prior to the appearance of the mysterious yellow dust or powder.

Government officials have repeatedly dodged the questions of concerned citizens and, when pressed, have said the appearance of powder in other areas is nothing more than pollen. People continue to become ill and high levels of chemicals continue to show up in random testing of soil and water supplies, according to informed sources.

In the beginning, the activities of chemtrail investigators were considered nothing more than speculation. Scientists connected to these efforts were considered to be conspiracy theorists. But with the increasingly visible presence of chemtrails, many contend that the time has come for speculation to lead into knowledge, as theory – and fears – are apparently becoming reality.

Witnesses have told this newspaper that they have seen and photographed KC 135s and KC 10s, stripped of any military markings and outfitted with what appears to be a “spraying device.” Airport personnel and pilots have confirmed for this reporter that some commercial airliners have also been outfitted to leave long-lasting chemtrails. One former Air Force pilot, who wished not to be named, said, “Yeah, we have them, but were not supposed to talk about it.”

The existence of equipment capable of producing aerosol spraying has been demonstrated, and senior Air Force officials acknowledge this capability, though they say its purpose is pest control and fuel dumping.

But nonmilitary sources say there are two major reasons for the use of such equipment – weather modification and biochemical warfare. As more information is discovered the two are appearing more like a single cause.

Community after community continues to report that hundreds of people are becoming ill at the same time, and these reports usually follow on the heels of times of heavy chemtrail activity. In San Bernardino Mountains communities, three physicians, all of whom asked not to be identified, have reported an increasing number of patients being seen for similar illness since December.

Persistent hacking coughs, upper respiratory and intestinal distress, pneumonia, extreme fatigue, lethargy, dizziness, disorientation, splitting headaches, elevated arthritis symptoms and unexplainable nosebleeds are just a few of the symptoms these doctors have described.

These doctors have said they are seeing larger numbers of patients with these complaints during or within days after the times that the physicians themselves have observed a larger number of chemtrails in the skies above mountain communities.

Ed Burrows, a pharmacist who lives in Crestline, told The Alpenhorn News that he is seeing similar signs of illness in himself. Since early December he has been suffering from a respiratory ailment that has includes a “gooey phlegm” that, despite his best efforts, he has been unable to relieve. Burrows said the issue is raising “high concern” for him that his health may be “jeopardized.” Burrows said he “feels that it is directly related” to recent chemtrail activity.

“Our government’s refusal to level with the people indicates that whatever it is they are polluting our environment with must be dangerous and/or unhealthy. There is no need to be secretive if what you are doing is beneficial,” he said.

In an e-mail he sent to this reporter, Burrows wrote, “As the former owner and pharmacist of the Lake Gregory Pharmacy for more than two decades, this is the first time in those 22 years I’ve witnessed so many in our community suffering with respiratory ailments with no apparent cause… Edward Burrows Pharm. D, RPh.”

Many respected researchers are attributing these illnesses to toxic chemicals used in government-sponsored weather-modification programs already in effect and intended to minimize the effects of serious weather events such as Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Senate Bill 517, proposed by Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX), would create a platform for future legislation that would allow for a nationwide weather-modification advisory and research board to make large-scale chemical alterations in our atmosphere. Authoritative sources say this is already occurring.

High levels of barium, aluminum and quartz have already been found in areas that have been reporting heavy chemtrail activity. Those substances, though natural minerals, have never been detected in those areas previously. For example, in portions of Canada, one of the first countries to raise awareness of aerosol spraying, barium and aluminum levels were found to be seven times above normal, according to media accounts published in a Vancouver newspaper in 1999.

Since publishing the story last week The Alpenhorn News has received requests for information from organizations as far away as Chicago. Many of these organizations have said they are having difficulty getting the news media to publish stories regarding the kinds of chemtrails that have been recently spotted above the San Bernardino Mountains.

http://www.alpenhornnews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=451
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:54 pm    Post subject: Funny Business at the News Desk... Reply with quote

Yeah - Very interesting article indeed. I wouldn't dignify it as a 'News Report'. No offense, Paulo, I'm not targeting your articles for dissection, it's just that I find this level of journalism irritating.

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The unexplained yellow powder that mysteriously appeared in mountain communities last Dec. 7 and again in February has prompted The Alpenhorn News to further investigation of the appearance of these aerial trails that many believe are the cause of the increase in respiratory problems plaguing mountain communities.


Uh, I thought that 'powder' was explained as Cedar Pollen - the mystery is why are the Cedars pollenating early this year? Could there be some climate change afoot? Were any of the spotted 'trails' yellow? Did anybody see a plane 'spraying' anything yellow? Many may believe that these 'trails' are the cause of the 'increased' respiratory problems, but nobody has any proof. Is nobody looking anywhere else at all, or just blaming the 'trails?' Wouldn't a higher pollen count aggravate those with allergies, causing respiratory symptoms? Perhaps there is another environmental irritant that nobody knows about... yet.
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Chemtrails, the visible vapor streams left by low-altitude chemical spraying, have been under scrutiny for more than seven years now, since the first appearances of the heavy white streamers in the sky in early 1999. Despite the efforts of investigators, very little information has been released to the public.


I'd barely call this 'journalism' at all. First, use a false term to incorrectly define a confusing phenomenon, then provide no reference for the definition. Contrails were observed far more than seven years ago, but onward we go, still with no real definition of 'chemtrail', the supposed topic of this 'report'.

More groundless assertions - despite WHAT efforts of WHAT investigators? Is anybody working in editorial over there at Alpenhorn? This is lame, slanted fearmongering journalism, jam packed with speculation and implication, and almost completely void of substance or evidentiary references.

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Locally, the issue surfaced in early December when many mountain residents observed a fine, slippery yellow powder on their cars and around the exterior of their homes.

Gretchen Sherman, who lives in Cedar Glen, said she was concerned enough about the situation that she notified the South Coast Air Quality Management District and the agency sent an inspector to her home. The man took a sample, she said, and tentatively identified the powder as cedar pollen.

However, a biologist told this newspaper that December is not the season when cedar pollen normally appears, and that when it does appear, in the spring, it does not “explode.” Several witnesses said they had seen a yellow cloud “exploding” in the skies over the Lake Arrowhead area prior to the appearance of the mysterious yellow dust or powder.

This is like high school newspaper lame. Ms. Sherman lives in CEDAR GLEN! Certainly, there's gonna be some Cedar pollen, dont'cha think? The Air Quality dude said, "Uh, that's Cedar Pollen, lady, but I'll take a sample". Was the sample ever analyzed? Did Ms. Kelley call and get the official results? Who is this 'biologist' that is also an expert on Cedar Pollen in the Cedar Glen area? Who are the 'several witnesses'? Have they no names? What altitude was this supposed 'exploding' yellow powder observed in the skies, by whom and when exactly? Jeez. This you call 'news?" I'll bet sometimes the wind blows clouds of pollen all over the place. I've heard it has something to do with how trees reproduce, a process that often creates a glens filled with cedars.
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Government officials have repeatedly dodged the questions of concerned citizens and, when pressed, have said the appearance of powder in other areas is nothing more than pollen.

Oy. WHICH government officials have dodged WHAT questions? Who are these 'concerned citizens'?. How were the officials 'pressed'? Asked twice? They obviously think it's pollen.

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People continue to become ill and high levels of chemicals continue to show up in random testing of soil and water supplies, according to informed sources.

No shit, Sherlock. Maybe folks should wake up and find out what's poisoning them, rather than wasting their time on propaganda like this. This comment irresponsibly implies a causal relationship between these two factoids, then fails to name the 'informed sources'. Is this not obvious propaganda?
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In the beginning, the activities of chemtrail investigators were considered nothing more than speculation. Scientists connected to these efforts were considered to be conspiracy theorists. But with the increasingly visible presence of chemtrails, many contend that the time has come for speculation to lead into knowledge, as theory – and fears – are apparently becoming reality.

Witnesses have told this newspaper that they have seen and photographed KC 135s and KC 10s, stripped of any military markings and outfitted with what appears to be a “spraying device.” Airport personnel and pilots have confirmed for this reporter that some commercial airliners have also been outfitted to leave long-lasting chemtrails. One former Air Force pilot, who wished not to be named, said, “Yeah, we have them, but were not supposed to talk about it.”


Uh, yeah. Same old same old. I love the fact that these 'scientists' used to be considered 'conspiracy theorists'. What'dya know. A few specifics backing up any of this crap would be nice, like for example:

1. Which chemtrail investigators?
2. Which scientists?
3. Which witnesses?
4. Where are the 'photographs'?
5. Which airport personnel?
6. Which pilots?
7. Which commercial airliners?
8. And the ever present, never named, 'Former Air Force Pilot'.


Yawn...

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The existence of equipment capable of producing aerosol spraying has been demonstrated, and senior Air Force officials acknowledge this capability, though they say its purpose is pest control and fuel dumping.

But nonmilitary sources say there are two major reasons for the use of such equipment – weather modification and biochemical warfare. As more information is discovered the two are appearing more like a single cause.


Uh, once again. Which senior air force officials? Which 'nonmilitary' sources? Would those non-military sources be selling 'chembusters' by any chance? Would that last sentence be the author's blurry editorializing?
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Community after community continues to report that hundreds of people are becoming ill at the same time, and these reports usually follow on the heels of times of heavy chemtrail activity.


A triumph of disinfo and mangled grammar. 'Chemtrail' activity has 'heels'? How long is a 'heel'? Can the heels be dragged?
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In San Bernardino Mountains communities, three physicians, all of whom asked not to be identified, have reported an increasing number of patients being seen for similar illness since December.

Persistent hacking coughs, upper respiratory and intestinal distress, pneumonia, extreme fatigue, lethargy, dizziness, disorientation, splitting headaches, elevated arthritis symptoms and unexplainable nosebleeds are just a few of the symptoms these doctors have described.

These doctors have said they are seeing larger numbers of patients with these complaints during or within days after the times that the physicians themselves have observed a larger number of chemtrails in the skies above mountain communities.


More quality journalism. A few more specifics again, please, like uh, WHICH communities? Can you name two, Miss? Why would three physicians ask NOT TO BE IDENTIFIED just for saying they are seeing more patients? Would those doctors be specialists from the IMAGINARY CLINIC FOR FABRICATED QUOTES?
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Ed Burrows, a pharmacist who lives in Crestline, told The Alpenhorn News that he is seeing similar signs of illness in himself. Since early December he has been suffering from a respiratory ailment that has includes a “gooey phlegm” that, despite his best efforts, he has been unable to relieve. Burrows said the issue is raising “high concern” for him that his health may be “jeopardized.” Burrows said he “feels that it is directly related” to recent chemtrail activity.

“Our government’s refusal to level with the people indicates that whatever it is they are polluting our environment with must be dangerous and/or unhealthy. There is no need to be secretive if what you are doing is beneficial,” he said.

In an e-mail he sent to this reporter, Burrows wrote, “As the former owner and pharmacist of the Lake Gregory Pharmacy for more than two decades, this is the first time in those 22 years I’ve witnessed so many in our community suffering with respiratory ailments with no apparent cause… Edward Burrows Pharm. D, RPh.”

Oh boy. Ok, first, I'm sorry for Ed's gooey phlegm, but until I know a little bit about Ed's 'lifestyle', I can't chalk his mucous to 'chemtrail sickness'. Does Ed smoke, drink, huff, snort or suffer form allergies? Those can all cause the sniffles, from what I understand. If Ed's been treating the same folks in this community for 22 years, they're gonna be, like, 22 years older, and possibly 22 years sicker. Also, there's the probability that pollen counts in the area are skyrocketing, Ed. There's a reason for those ailments, Ed, it's just that somebody wants you to waste your time blaming air traffic, rather than figuring out why you're ill.

Quote:

Many respected researchers are attributing these illnesses to toxic chemicals used in government-sponsored weather-modification programs already in effect and intended to minimize the effects of serious weather events such as Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Senate Bill 517, proposed by Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX), would create a platform for future legislation that would allow for a nationwide weather-modification advisory and research board to make large-scale chemical alterations in our atmosphere. Authoritative sources say this is already occurring.


And again, WHICH 'respected' researchers? Respected by whom, exactly? Nice leap to 'already in effect'. Perhaps a little evidence might clear things up - c'mon Ms. Kelley, just one link.

Oh yeah, the 'Weather Modification Bill' . Senate bill 517 disappeared into committee last December, I believe. It's being batted back and forth between the House and the Senate, at the bottom of a long list of bills up for 'discussion'. This baby ain't gonna 'pass' for years, and most likely, won't ever even be voted on, which is the case with most Senate Bills, from what I understand. It will, however, be quoted by every 'chemtrail' article ever written - just watch.

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High levels of barium, aluminum and quartz have already been found in areas that have been reporting heavy chemtrail activity. Those substances, though natural minerals, have never been detected in those areas previously. For example, in portions of Canada, one of the first countries to raise awareness of aerosol spraying, barium and aluminum levels were found to be seven times above normal, according to media accounts published in a Vancouver newspaper in 1999.

And the old barium and aluminum stuff - ok, well did they ever test for these natural minerals in those areas before? What were the levels 'before' chemtrails? Less? More? The same? Smokestacks will sometimes pump aerosolized minerals into the atmosphere, you know. I think it's called 'pollution', and there are supposedly huge fines for doing so.
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Since publishing the story last week The Alpenhorn News has received requests for information from organizations as far away as Chicago.


Yeah, I'll bet. I'd like to request some more information too - LIKE HOW ABOUT ONE FRIGGIN SOURCE OR REFERENCE! After reading this 'news report', I might be scared enough to google 'chemtrails'. Odds are, I'd be watching a (ex-DOE staffer) Clifford Carnicom or Will Thomas video by the end of the day. And coughing. And worrying a lot. Well, fact is there is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever linking any INCREASED ILLNESS to any MYSTERY POWDER. There's no proof that this 'powder' is remotely 'mysterious', considering the fact that there's a strong case for Cedar pollen floating around Cedar Glen. I don't deny the purported increase in illness, just the finger pointing at the 'apparent cause'.

How about an increase in global immunosuppression due to POLLUTION, like the kind that comes from the back of jet engines, cause there's like 5 times more air traffic than a few years ago, evidenced by the 'exploding' number of persistent contrails.

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Many of these organizations have said they are having difficulty getting the news media to publish stories regarding the kinds of chemtrails that have been recently spotted above the San Bernardino Mountains.

A classic disinfo scare-swirl finish. Uh, it would be great if they'd clarify which organizations, what kind of difficulty, which news media, what kinds of stories, what kinds of 'chemtrails' and by whom have they been 'spotted?' This article seems to raise so many more 'questions' than it 'answers'. Wake up people - I've been reading these lame ass 'chemtrail articles' for years now. They're always the same - an awful lot like this one. I like the photos - the same old 'stock' 'weather mod' pictures I've seen a million and one times, especially over at idiotic weatherwars.info.

Sorry, The hot air blowing through the Alpenhorn didn't change my mind on this issue, in fact, the whole article screams disinfo to me. I'm not saying something isn't going on, just that 'chemtrails' are distraction from whatever it is. "These are not the droids your'e looking for...."

So, what else ya got? Wink

From: The Alpenhorn News - Increased illness linked to mystery powder
http://www.alpenhornnews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=451
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:52 pm    Post subject: No Problemo Fletch: Chemtrail photos Reply with quote

I hope people aren't scared to interact with me. There was someone in the rat nest who I just didn't feel comfortable about, so I asked him if we could just let it go. So to all, dissect my words away if you wish. If it hits a point that we don't agree or the discussion between us is uncomfortable, then we should just learn to co-exist at this "intelligent alternative".

I've just sought out some chemtrail photos, so perhaps everyone can see what Matt, q@thing, and myself are saying we are seeing so much of.

{On Edit: a stupid link was here to a ufo site, I must have been baked at the time--plus don't even bother clicking on the link below, I should have been able to find better evidence than that- sorry....plus, I can't believe how nice I was being to Jerry, but I do remember that does change later on Twisted Evil This is wrong of me, cause this is on edit, but Fletch smells like an internet fake-- but read on, just doing a reverse Cydonia Quest--not erasing, just tidying....check out how Fetcher busts up the margins with his ww2 fake debunker crap, a two for one deal}

http://www.chetzar.com/chemtrails/chemtrails.html
(make sure to click on the images to see them)


I think, Jerry, that you have definitely made a good contribution to this thread. When I went looking for some photos, I noticed tons of crazy conspiracy sites. I think there are two things going on here. One, there is your view which makes sense to me that "chemtrails" is tied in with the agenda to discredit the internet or something to that extent, be it to cover up pollution problems or whatnot. On the other hand, I think those of us saying we are witnessing this stuff yet don't understand it are pointing something out that is very creepy. Almost as creepy as witnessing this stuff is the lack of news attention on it.

Fintan said, "Thanks Paulo,
Here's the whole of that veeeerrry interesting news report...."

I guess I'm wondering why Fintan thinks this is "veeeerrry" interesting. I hate to speak for others, but I am guessing that Fintan believes that there is something going on, and that it is interesting that a news publication is actually taking a look at this. While Fintan certainly has a keen interest in disinfo and psy-ops, I don't think he is always looking at things in regard to disinfo and psy-ops.

Thus, I think we are looking at two separate issues. One, what are those "chemtrails" in the sky and the why of it. Secondly, I see your point as also valid being that lots of folks are talking about "chemtrails" and how does this fit into disinfo and psy-ops.

(edit: I took out one link because it doesn't seem to work well.)


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:31 pm    Post subject: I thought I was on to something but can't find it Reply with quote

I realise Rense.com is shady, but I went to their chemtrail data center. Perhaps some hidden truths can be found from such messengers with little credibility.

http://www.rense.com/politics6/chemdatapage.html Here you'll find tons more of photographs of what the "chemtrails" look like.

Anyway, that's not what I mean as regards to this post heading.
This following link is where I am heading with this.

http://www.rense.com/general8/bbg.htm
Rense.com
Chemtrails - How To Read Between
The Lines In The Sky
By Annette McCann
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/archive/19-2-19101-0-33-46.html
2-19-1

Unfortunately, when you try to find the original article by Annette McCann from the British newspaper, The Herald, it is missing. Perhaps it can be purchased somehow or maybe Fintan or someone could contact Annette McCann. I'm not going to post what Rense had here, but you can read what McCann supposedly wrote at the rense link just above.

Is this what the fakes do? They find ways to scrub legitemate articles off the internet? And then the only verifiable places you can find the work are on alternative website posts, if you're lucky?

http://hm.indymedia.org/newswire/display/184/index.php

Edit: The point I am trying to make in this post is that regardless of carnicom or any chemtrail disinfo, I am curious about this Annette McCann tidbit from 2001 reporting matter of factly that there seems to be something going on in the skies. veeerry interesting indeed.

I just noticed something else. If you go to the last link, there is a related topic link, and what do you know, it takes you to Rense.com. Wow. Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:19 pm    Post subject: Links Reply with quote

Conspiracy theorists read between lines in the sky
By Traci Watson
USA TODAY
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/usatoday.shtml

Chemtrails 911 - In The Media
http://www.skyhighway.com/%7Echemtrails/in_the_media.html
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out links to Aerosol Enabled Climate Forcing

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=aerosol+climate+forcing

As well as this pulled Air Force article about the Chemtrail "Hoax" that can be found via the Google cache linked below:

Original AirForce military website page - now deleted.
http://www.af.mil/environment/contrails_chemtrail.shtml

SMiles
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The "Chemtrail" Hoax
A hoax that has been around since 1996 accuses the Air Force of being involved in spraying the US population with mysterious substances and show various Air Force aircraft "releasing sprays" or generating unusual contrail patterns. Several authors cite an Air University research paper titled "Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025" that suggests the Air Force is conducting weather modification experiments. The purpose of that paper was part of a thesis to outline a strategy for the use of a future weather modification system to achieve military objectives and it does not reflect current military policy, practice, or capability.

The Air Force's policy is to observe and forecast the weather. The Air Force is focused on observing and forecasting the weather so the information can be used to support military operations. The Air Force is not conducting any weather modification experiments or programs and has no plans to do so in the future.

The "Chemtrail" hoax has been investigated and refuted by many established and accredited universities, scientific organizations, and major media publications.

Lines in the Sky

Scientific Studies Regarding Aircraft Contrails and Cloud Formation

Those Mysterious Lines in the Sky

One Year Later - "Those Mysterious Lines in the Sky" - are Still Flying

Contrails: The View From the Ground

Claims and Facts

Claim: Long-lasting contrails are something new and they have abnormal characteristics.

Fact: Contrails can remain visible for very long periods of time with the lifetime a function of the temperature, humidity, winds, and aircraft exhaust characteristics. Contrails can form many shapes as they are dispersed by horizontal and vertical wind shear. Sunlight refracted or reflected from contrails can produce vibrant and eye-catching colors and patterns. Observation and scientific analysis of contrails and their duration date back to at least 1953.

Claim: Grid patterns of contrails in the sky are evidence of a systematic spraying operation.

Fact: The National Airspace System of the United States is orientated in an east-west and north-south grid with aircraft flying at designated 2000 foot increments of elevation. Contrails formed by aircraft may appear to form a grid as the winds disperse the contrails. More contrails are seen in recent years due to the growth in the civil aviation market. The FAA is responsible for the NAS and Air Force aircraft operate under the same rules and procedures as civilian aircraft when using the NAS.

Claim: There are reported outbreaks of illness after the appearance of "Chemtrails"

Fact: There is no such thing as a "Chemtrail". Contrails are safe and are a natural phenomenon. They pose no health hazard of any kind. If there are massive outbreaks of illnesses, your local health department should be able to tell you if it is an abnormal event. Local health departments generally network together when they start seeing problems. If there is a problem, the CDC will get involved.

Claim: Samples taken have shown the presence of the "DOD patented" bacteria pseudomonas fluorescens.

Fact: The bacteria claimed to be DOD developed and patented is actually a common, naturally occurring bacteria. The US Patent Office (www.uspto.gov) lists 181 patents involving pseudomonas fluorescens, none of which are held by DOD.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:z-47Qalsz9YJ:www.af.mil/environment/contrails_chemtrail.shtml+af.mil+chemtrail+hoax&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:18 pm    Post subject: Chemtrails Reply with quote

In my opinion some of the posters on this thread are disinfo agents.
Having examined the evidence and still coming up totally skeptical takes real determination.

I live in West Central Florida, and am very familiar with our air traffic patterns. There have been many, many E/W trails, and we do not have much E/W air traffic. Most of it is N/S, as planes go to Atlanta or other points to the Northeast, and Northwest. Very few cross the Gulf and go directly to Texas.

In the past year we have seen an increasing number and concentration of these sprayings. They form many patterns, some of which are new in the last month. As an artist, I am interested the shapes of things in nature, and I can tell you that these clouds are not made by nature.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OhZone wrote:

Having examined the evidence and still coming up totally skeptical takes real determination.

As an artist, I am interested the shapes of things in nature, and I can tell you that these clouds are not made by nature.


Hi Oh-

I don't know if you're referring to me as one of the 'totally skeptical' or not, but I'm not at all skeptical that daily across the entire globe, there are huge, huge, gigantic contrails that persist for hours or days. Not made by nature, no. Made by a grossly polluting aviation industry growing without control or concern for the environment.

Listen, I used to be a full on 'believer', but now, I see a 'chemtrail industry' taking advantage of a pollution problem that the polluters would just as well keep covered up. Regarding the patterns, I have recently learned that clear blue sky is actually a tempest of flowing air patterns of varying temperatures and moisture levels. I believe it's difficult from our perspective on the ground to really be able to analyze the exhaust patterns and truly know the plane's relationship to the airport or which travel corridor and altitude the plane is aligning itself to.

Sure, the trails are there, but perhaps they're an unfortunate by-product rather than created by intentional and devious design. Sure, they muck up the atmospheric. It's not natural - but it's more of a 'coverup' than a 'conspiracy' to spray us or depopulate us, or track us, or immunize us, or shield the planet or whatever.

I don't deny that there's something fishy going on in the skies or what you're seeing, I just feel the intent of the chemtrail conspiracy is to cover up the extent of the environmental liability.

Don't call me disinfo cause I don't believe other people's chemtrail theories. I'm simply trying to add it all up for myself. If you weren't referring to me, well, uh, never mind. Smile

Oh yeah - and welcome!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Chemtrails/Climate Change Reply with quote

OhZone wrote:
In my opinion some of the posters on this thread are disinfo agents.
Having examined the evidence and still coming up totally skeptical takes real determination.

I live in West Central Florida, and am very familiar with our air traffic patterns. There have been many, many E/W trails, and we do not have much E/W air traffic. Most of it is N/S, as planes go to Atlanta or other points to the Northeast, and Northwest. Very few cross the Gulf and go directly to Texas.

In the past year we have seen an increasing number and concentration of these sprayings. They form many patterns, some of which are new in the last month. As an artist, I am interested the shapes of things in nature, and I can tell you that these clouds are not made by nature.



Hi OhZone, I was glad to see your post. Where I am there hasn't been as much "chemtrail" activity the last month. I'm bad with dates, but weeks ago there was a tremendous amount of activity for only a day. Lately, I have only noticed the strange stuff the other day, and it was being sprayed along the edges of an incoming cloud movement. It appears to me that the "chemtrails" aren't as much in our faces of late. Perhaps a "critical mass" of awareness is forming and such activity cannot be so blatant anymore, but I don't know.

I am thinking based on the strange weather the last ten years, e.g the colder, overcast summers, that this has been an attempt to cool the earth off without partaking with Kyoto Protocols or promoting progressive energy policies.

While Bush/Cheney have ignored global warming, The respected Guardian newspaper has come out with the following:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1153513,00.html
Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us

· Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war
· Britain will be 'Siberian' in less than 20 years
· Threat to the world is greater than terrorism

Mark Townsend and Paul Harris in New York
Sunday February 22, 2004
The Observer

As for there being disinfo agents, I kind of agree because there are now I believe four witnesses here describing the same thing, yet we still have for example the cached post calling "chemtrails" a hoax.

Fletch,it seems difficult for you to explain the witness accounts along with the many pictures provided on this thread. These planes we see aren't going from point A to their destination. They are working in teams and criss crossing, then by the end of the day it all becomes a blended mosaic of cloud cover or whatever it is. Anything can be "debunked", spinned, or obfuscated. Just ask Karl Rove.

As I said earlier I think there are two separate issues here. One, we are not making this stuff up. Secondly, you have all this stuff on the internet, the stuff Fintan is on about that we all seem to find intriguing. Perhaps we need to keep this in mind for the benefit of dialogue.

As many question how the wtc's pancaked at free fall speed, we are saying this looks nothing like normal air traffic nor your everyday contrail emissions.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulo wrote:

Perhaps a "critical mass" of awareness is forming and such activity cannot be so blatant anymore, but I don't know.


Perhaps the air temperature is warming, due to winter ending and spring beginning, so that contrail formation is less likely. I'll predict a severe decline in trail activity from about April thru July. As fall approaches, and upper air temperatures begin cooling, the trails will re-appear. At least this is the pattern that I've observed over the last two years. Let's see if this year is any different. Trail activity at the leading edge of storm fronts is common due to the changing moisture level in the air from the storm formation.

Gotta go - more later. And no worries, Paulo, I dig the discussion, I just try to stay away from the name calling.
cheers-
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These fake clouds could cover many purposes.
They could hide from us what is going on above.
They could hide from above what is going on below.
The could be used to adjust the weather.
They could be used in "germ warfare".
They could be used to test electo-magnetic pulses.
They could be used for yet other purposes no one has yet guessed.

Whatever their purpose, I will say it takes a lot of planes to do that, and I know there are not THAT many flying over here. I live within 30 miles of 2 airports. One being Tampa International. I can look directly at the flight path of those coming and going in and out of TIA at landing/take off altitudes.
I can see the ones coming and going to the NW. They fly over my bouse.

I can see the high flying commercial planes that would be going to the Miami area. And I can see those that must have come out of Miami or nearby Airports. And hey guess what?
They do not leave cloud trails, not even when there are cloud trails being formed by yet other planes.
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