It's probably my old Mac Mini but maybe its "them." I watch a lot of videos, especially ones where the host complains about being "demonetized" by Goggle, like those posted here, but then my YouTube and then my Safari frequently freeze up. Does anyone else have this prob?
I have yet to see proof that what has been reported happened - really
Listening to people saying "no one we knew injured"?
People talking is not proof.
In the absense of any hard evidence I still think a Hoax is the most likely scenario.
More on this please!
The Master Criminals will never relent in their efforts to dis-arm Americans. Just had lunch with a guy who was in Tennessee visiting a friend..the friend has many AK47s, handguns, etc with a concealed weapons permit, as do many in the town.
Violent crime rate in that town? Zero,
Joined: 24 Nov 2011 Posts: 1360 Location: The Caribbean of Canada
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:55 pm Post subject:
What if Stephen Paddock thought he was involved in a sting operation - that he had agreed to sell weapons to patsy's/terrorists so that the FBI could make arrests? The guy had an outrageously expensive gambling habit - maybe his cooperation helped to finance it. But what if the actual point for this event wasn't to conduct a sting at all? What if the plan was for him to become the conveniently-dead patsy for a false flag event designed to cause people to accept whatever further Middle East carnage is planned, increased gun control, and yet another ratcheting up of surveillance? To me, this scenario explains a whole lot that is otherwise implausible. Including the repeated claims by ISIS, the insane numbers of weapons, the lack of a violent background, the crazy claims that this guy caused such carnage from the 32nd floor of a building 4 football fields away from the venue, the fact that exits were blocked, etc., etc., etc.
George Soros just 60 days prior to the Las Vegas massacre, bought “put options” on 1,350,000 MGM shares betting that its price would go down—and which they did following this massacre enriching Soros by about $73 million—and who was joined in the foreknowledge of this massacre by MGM CEO James Murren, who, also, just weeks prior to it occurring sold off 80% of his MGM shares.
There is no Statute of Limitations on Murder, or Conspiracy to commit murder. _________________ "Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
"Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth." - Buddha
What if Stephen Paddock thought he was involved in a sting operation -
that he had agreed to sell weapons to patsy's/terrorists so that the FBI
could make arrests? The guy had an outrageously expensive gambling habit -
maybe his cooperation helped to finance it. But what if the actual point for
this event wasn't to conduct a sting at all? What if the plan was for him to
become the conveniently-dead patsy for a false flag event.....
That's definitely a viable working hypothesis.
'Cos the mass killing motive lacks evidence tying intent to Paddock.
by Fintan Dunne with additional reporting by Kathy McMahon
The owners of the Mandalay Bay hotel, MGM Resorts International, are
calling for a timeout in respect of emerging evidence that the hotel did
not immediately make a 911 call when they heard news of a shooting
on the 32nd floor:
A report from Las Vegas authorities that gunman Stephen Paddock fired a barrage of shots at a hotel security guard six minutes before unleashing a hailstorm of gunfire on concertgoers from his room at the Mandalay Bay hotel may not be accurate, the hotel says.
“We cannot be certain about the most recent timeline,” MGM Resorts International spokeswoman Debra DeShong said in a statement. "We believe what is currently being expressed may not be accurate.”
Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday that the hallway shooting took place at
9:59 pm local time — six minutes before Paddock began his 11-minute
assault on the 22,000 people gathered for a country music concert a few
hundred yards from his hotel windows.
Last week authorities had said the hallway shooting took place after
Paddock began his shooting spree.
MGM Resorts were reacting to Sheriff Lombardo's admission about the
timeline and to an NBC News exclusive interview with the maintenance
worker who was with the security guard on the 32nd floor when the
Schuck was just entering the hallway when the first round of bullets went off at about 9:59 p.m.
“As soon as they stopped, I saw Jesus pop out….he yelled at me to take
cover,” Schuck said. “As soon as I started to go to a door to my left, the
rounds started coming down the hallway.”
He said he tried to think of ways to get to Campos, figuring Paddock would
have to stop shooting at one point. But the hail of gunfire was “kind of
Paddock reportedly shot into the hallway for some time before turning his guns on the crowd below. (JEFFERSON SIEGEL/NEW YORK DAILY NEWS)
Schuck said he radioed for help once the shooting did stop, ran down the hallway and took cover with Campos.
Audio obtained by NBC News also indicated Schuck alerted his superiors that Paddock was firing some 200 rounds within the hotel hallway.
That last part confirms that the guard radioed in the fact that a shooter
had just unleashed 200 rounds at him on the 32nd floor. It comes via
NYDaily News print coverage -not from NBC's print report.
Really? Please explain:
How does Mandalay Bay security not call 911 immediately
to tell cops about a guy firing 200 shots inside the hotel??!
How does Mandalay Bay security not call 911 immediately the mass
shooting begins to tell cops EXACTLY where the likely shooter was??!
How come Mandalay Bay security were not waiting in the lobby to greet
incoming officers and brief them about events??!
Those are big questions. Huge questions.
"All over TV, leading the news" questions.
Instead these questions are a footnote.
Instead of normal security working, this happens:
Officers with the LVPD were said to have arrived at his 32nd floor suite
at 10:17 local time, where they found the wounded guard about a minute
later. This is where things don’t add up.
Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo had previously said that Paddock
stopped shooting at concertgoers at 10:15pm local time — after being
spooked by the guard. But this couldn’t have happened if the guard was
shot before the killing started. So it’s ultimately unclear why he stopped
So, two minutes before the cops arrive on the 32nd floor,
the shooter stops shooting for no known reason at this time.
He fired his last round one minute before cops were told of his first round!
And that's just the maintenance guy - what about the security guard? :
Another question that remains is what Campos did exactly
after being shot by Paddock. Authorities have not said whether he notified
casino security or called for backup — and it’s also unclear if any other
staff members or guests knew about the initial incident.http://bit.ly/2zgfk2m
If indeed the Mandalay Bay did not immediately call cops at 10pm
then MGM Resorts may be liable for damages due to negligence in the
case of persons who were shot during the last few minutes of shooting
-on the basis that those deaths and injuries were preventable.
The LA police and Sheriff Lombardo in particular are now blatantly
running defense for MGM Resorts. They're being way to coy about
what did or didn't happen -because of the huge stakes, at least.
Question is: Who can have confidence in this investigation now? _________________ Minds are like parachutes.
They only function when open.
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From what I can gather the hotel is over 1200 ft from the concert...NEVER is he going to be hitting and killing and wounding with that success ratio, fuck that. That is the textbook definition of bullshit. Initially I naively assumed that the concert must have been taking place very close to the actual hotel itself. Furthermore I am surprised that there are no metal detectors at said casino since a lot of the casino trade has mob ties.
Question is: Who can have confidence in this investigation now?
My Question is: Did any one die?
Everyone seems to be discussing;
Who, how & how many shot the 600 dead or injured people?
I have yet to see any hard evidence that anyone died other than a pic of what is supposed to be Paddock?
Five and a half hundred wounded?
How come none of these people have died which you would expect.?
None of what I have seen thus far is consistant with 600 dead or injured...
I have seen the scene of bombings in the UK were a few people died and the sheer volume of emergency vehicles, Fire Engines Doctors Nurses Police was overwhelming but that is only a fraction of the scale of this event
yet not even an Ambulance. _________________ Vaut mieux prévenir que guérir.
Joined: 24 Nov 2011 Posts: 1360 Location: The Caribbean of Canada
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:29 am Post subject:
I refer to the supposed picture of the dead man in his room. According to Police reports, he fired on the crowd for nine to 11 minutes. Even at a mere 200 rounds a minute (a low estimate for a rifle with a bumpfire stock), that would be 1,800 to 2,200 rounds fired. So, what is missing from that picture is all the spent shell casings. There are maybe 3 or 4 dozen scattered on the floor. There should be Thousands. Piles of them. You shouldn’t be able to walk for all the casings that should be on the floor, had some one actually fired several thousand rounds from inside that room.
And where are all the empty Magazines? You know, the ones he ripped from the gun, to quickly replace with a full one? Would he not just toss them recklessly? Shouldn't there be lots of them strewn about on the floor as well? 23 guns each with a 30 round magazine only equals 690 rounds. So he would have had to do reloads. To get 2000 rounds fired, he would have had to use at least Three 30 round magazines per rifle (for a total of at least 69 magazines). That is if he even used every rifle there (if not there should be even more than 69 spent magazines). I saw no evidence anywhere in that picture of drum mags, only stick mags. Even so, there would have to be 20 spent 100 round mags, or 33 empty 60 round P-Mags. You get the point. _________________ "Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
"Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth." - Buddha
Now a major development on the
question of an additional shooter(s):
Take a listen to Rocky Palermo -who was shot at the concert
and knows about guns. He says he experienced horizontal fire
--as well as fire from high above.
Rocky is saying that when fire comes from high above, the incoming
rounds hit something: a person or the ground typically. But when you
hear rounds whizz by you and head away: they're horizontal fire!!
In the empty lot behind the stage across from the Mandalay Bay.
Bullets don't fly horizontal for long - they begin to slowly dip, but
from a prone location in that lot, an experienced shooter could arc
gunfire pretty precisely into the area of the crowd and stands.
Bri is off desktop for a couple of weeks so he kindly
sent some google pics of the area where the dirt mound is:
Bri: I believe That's said sand mound in 2nd photo to the left:
Bri: I can't imagine anything making it far over the traffic
on mandalay bay rd from any sand mound...
I do wonder about those towers.
Let's just call that whole empty lot an
"area of interest",
for the moment.... _________________ Minds are like parachutes.
They only function when open.
So MGM Resorts have just attacked the new police timeline.
This whole clusterf**k just featured on Fox with the LV police
portrayed as some kind of Keystone Cops. Dire warnings that
this would only empower "conspiracy theorists". Got that right.
See bold text below for the key points. When you clear the smoke it all
boils down to this: why were some cops searching on the 31st floor?
Didn't they know that there was two hotel employee eyewitness who
had already nailed the source of the shooting as the 32nd floor?
And if those cops didn't know, then why the heck not??!
Nothing in either what the cops or the hotel corporates
are saying actually answers that key central question.
Las Vegas hotel owners dispute police timeline,
say there was no gap between report of gunshots, massacre
OCTOBER 12, 2017 — 6:42 PM EDT
Camera icon JOHN LOCHER/AP
The owners of the Las Vegas hotel where a gunman opened fire last week
disputed on Thursday the police account of how part of the shooting
unfolded, casting further doubt on what happened before and during the
But more recently, uncertainty has also grown regarding the law
enforcement response and precisely what unfolded inside the hotel the
night of Paddock’s rampage Oct. 1, when the first gunshots were fired and
why police and the hotel’s owners have been unable to agree on basic
facts about the timeline.
Police fueled this confusion when they said Monday that, contrary to an
earlier timeline, Paddock fired at a hotel security guard six minutes before
the massacre began. After reporting this six-minute gap, Joseph Lombardo,
the Las Vegas sheriff, said police who responded to the 32nd floor
did not know a guard had been shot.
This raised questions about whether the information was relayed to police
officers, who searched the hotel for a gunman after Paddock began raining
bullets on the music festival. MGM Resorts International, which owns the
Mandalay Bay, had said this revised police timeline “may not be accurate”
but they and police declined to answer repeated questions about what
happened during the critical minutes before and during the shooting.
In a statement released Thursday, MGM Resorts said the specific time
reported by Lombardo was incorrect and that Jesus Campos, the hotel
guard, called in that shots had been fired within a minute of the gunman
firing out his window. MGM also said Las Vegas officers were already with
hotel security when Campos’ call came, suggesting there was no lag in
“We know that shots were being fired at the festival lot at the same time
as, or within 40 seconds after, the time Jesus Campos first reported that
shots were fired over the radio,” MGM said in the statement, released by a
public relations firm. “Metro officers were together with armed Mandalay
Bay security officers in the building when Campos first reported that shots
were fired over the radio.”
The Las Vegas police did not immediately respond to a message seeking
comment Thursday about the MGM statement.
Lombardo had said that Campos was shot at 9:59 p.m., while Paddock
began firing down at the festival at 10:05 p.m. According to police,
Paddock fired until 10:15 p.m.
MGM said that the 9:59 p.m. time offered by Lombardo was incorrect and
“derived from a Mandalay Bay report manually created after the fact
without the benefit of information we now have.”
Yeah - sure. So they're admitting that there is an original report which
states the time was 9:59 - and that they've since dumped that report.
However, the MGM statement raises further questions about what
happened in the hotel Sunday night. The statement said the police and
security officers “immediately responded to the 32nd floor,” though
Lombardo had said that police did not get there until 10:17 p.m., which
was 12 minutes after the gunfire began.
A spokeswoman for MGM did not immediately respond to a request for
more information regarding what time Campos was shot, when the first
shots were fired into the crowd and when officers arrived on the 32nd
floor. Lombardo, who has attributed the shifts in the timeline to the
developing investigation and a desire to be transparent, warned
Wednesday that the timetable could shift again.
“Nobody’s trying to be nefarious, nobody’s trying to hide anything, and
what we want to do is draw the most accurate picture we can,” he said in
a television interview Wednesday. “I’m telling you right now, today, that
that timeline might change again.”
Lombardo said during the interview that the timeline could shift again due
to the “human factor,” explaining that it was possible that the time of the
first shots was written down incorrectly.
At the news briefing Monday, where he said Campos was shot at 9:59
p.m., Lombardo had said the guard “immediately” notified hotel security.
He also said that police discovered that a guard was shot when they met
him in the hallway after getting off the elevator.
MGM’s statement also leaves uncertain whether the information about the
shooting was relayed more widely to police officers. Police had said that
during the shooting rampage, two officers searching on the 31st floor
heard gunfire above them. According to this earlier timeline, police said
that the officers arrived on the 32nd floor at 10:17 p.m. and, one minute
later, relayed that a guard had been shot and identified the shooter’s
As for the changing timeline involving Security Officer Jesus Campos,
ABC News is reporting Las Vegas Metropolitan Police allowed Campos to
leave town after talking to him.
The FBI realized there was something up with the timeline and brought him
back to be re-interviewed.
The FBI insisted the sheriff make it public, but sources say the
sheriff was reluctant.
However, in a press conference almost a week ago on Friday, October 6,
Undersheriff Kevin McMahill seemed to let it slip.
"The question is was he--was the security officer shot before the suspect
was shooting into the crowd. The answer to that is yes, we believe he was
shot--I'm sorry--that we believe that he was shooting into the crowd and
then the security officer was shot during that event."
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