I am not creating any kind of straw men, it's all interlinked and yes, removing infamous historical figures is trying to hide history, trying to bury history because it causes offence to people.
Jesus, with that being the motive, history has an absolute abundance of infamous, murderous wicked figures, should we remove them all, or just the ones that offend a certain group?
I believe it's about inciting race war and furthering division between groups of wage slaves.
To what end?.
The thing is even if that were true there is only a minority stupid enough to get sucked in by it. Most people want no part in it, and just want to get on with their lives.
The idea that an elite cabal wants the end of the world is only entertained by a bored fringe.
I am not creating any kind of straw men, it's all interlinked and yes, removing infamous historical figures is trying to hide history, trying to bury history because it causes offence to people.
Jesus, with that being the motive, history has an absolute abundance of infamous, murderous wicked figures, should we remove them all, or just the ones that offend a certain group?
You are indeed arguing against something you have created yourself.
You live someplace, yes? Are there things in public spaces in that place? Do you think the townspeople should have any say about which things should be displayed in those public spaces and which should not? Do you think people looking for history go to the town common? Or the library or to school?
Hiding history would be removing it from text books, museums, etc. Removing a statue from a public square because the majority of the people who live there don't want it there is different. People who live in a space have a right to decide what gets displayed in their public squares and what doesn't. The people who came to protest were mostly from out of town. _________________ Can't be beat, won't be beat, etc.
I believe it's about inciting race war and furthering division between groups of wage slaves.
To what end?.
The thing is even if that were true there is only a minority stupid enough to get sucked in by it. Most people want no part in it, and just want to get on with their lives.
The idea that an elite cabal wants the end of the world is only entertained by a bored fringe.
yes, i'm pretty fucking bored in this stupid ass world. but who said anything about the end of the world? to what end? social control. about half of people (those who don't vote / participate) want no part of it. the other half are more than happy to engage in all sorts of hating on people who don't share their opinions. _________________ Can't be beat, won't be beat, etc.
i did not make this thread to engage in ideological arguments, though i'm happy to continue pointing out the things that you are talking about that i have neither said nor implied, and to expose the holes in your arguments, if that's what you want.
the purpose of this thread was to gather and present information about what happened so we may analyze the events to determine if this may have been some sort of state sponsored/socially engineered action, like almost every other fucking terrorist attack ever. _________________ Can't be beat, won't be beat, etc.
Okay, I don't know how you equated what I said with creating straw men because I never implied that you were advocating the other things. I said that it was part of a bigger picture to censor and remove that which offends.
As for your central premise, the powers that rule know exactly what they are doing and know that these actions will stir up a hornets nest. As to the extent of that hornet's nest...well the numbers rallying against the removal were a few hundred people. So, the media has to try tirelessly to amplify this into something it wasn't.
Sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't. By removing these visible reminders (statues) people soon forget, like I said, in my opinion this is dangerous and part of a much wider agenda.
I was NOT implying you were a part or approving of that wider agenda
Okay, I don't know how you equated what I said with creating straw men because I never implied that you were advocating the other things. I said that it was part of a bigger picture to censor and remove that which offends.
As for your central premise, the powers that rule know exactly what they are doing and know that these actions will stir up a hornets nest. As to the extent of that hornet's nest...well the numbers rallying against the removal were a few hundred people. So, the media has to try tirelessly to amplify this into something it wasn't.
Sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't. By removing these visible reminders (statues) people soon forget, like I said, in my opinion this is dangerous and part of a much wider agenda.
I was NOT implying you were a part or approving of that wider agenda
I do recognize the slippery slope you're talking about. But if people should have the right to gather and demonstrate in public, people should have the right to decide which statues are in their public spaces.
For instance, I live in Salem mass. Wicca is the third largest religion in town. When Samantha from Bewitched got a statue downtown the Wiccans were pissed. They protested (hundreds of them) and tried to get it removed. They failed. It's still there. In Charlottesville, va, the people wanted a statue of a racist who committed treason removed. They were successful. It'll get removed. The Wiccans learned to deal with Samantha. Nazis and Confederate sympathizers need to learn how to deal with communities not wanting their racist treasonous icons on public display without running people over with cars and intimidating them with weapons and pepper spray. _________________ Can't be beat, won't be beat, etc.
Charlottesville Rally:
Rabbis, Jewish Students Face Down White Nationalists
'I've never been called a kike in my life,' says one rabbinical student who
came to Charlottesville, Virginia from Boston to join counterprotesters at
a large white nationalist rally
Debra Nussbaum Cohen Aug 13, 2017 2:28 AM
Rabbis and rabbinical students traveled from other parts of the U.S.
to join counterprotesters at a large white supremacy rally in...
The rest is behind a paywall, but you get the idea. There are always two
sides to such a situation, and always enough hotheads on both sides who
are ready to get physical.
That said, without the death from the car incident, this would have been
just another cultural skirmish. When a brick hits you on the head, there
is very little moral difference between whether an alt-right nut or an
anti-establishment hothead threw it.
The denunciations of Trump are self-serving rhetoric to serve the political
agenda opposing him. Killary Klinton would have played the politics of
this just as astutely as Trump.
By the way:
Quote:
National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie
In 1977 Frank Collin, the leader of National Socialist Party of America, announced the party's intention to march through Skokie, Illinois. In the predominantly Jewish community, one in six residents was a Holocaust survivor or was directly related to one.[2] Originally, the NSPA had planned a political rally in Marquette Park in Chicago; however the Chicago authorities blocked these plans by requiring the NSPA to post a public safety insurance bond and by banning political demonstrations in Marquette Park.
On behalf of the NSPA, the ACLU challenged the injunction issued by the Circuit Court of Cook County, Illinois that prohibited marchers at the proposed Skokie rally from wearing Nazi uniforms or displaying swastikas.
The ACLU was represented by civil rights attorney Burton Joseph.[3][4] The challengers argued that the injunction violated the First Amendment rights of the marchers to express themselves.
Is my brain having a system error moment or was there a (black&white)
movie all about the rights of a group of Nazis to march through a town.
And about the impassioned argument (by Jimmy Stewart or similar)
that allowing such a march was essential to preserve democracy for all??
Also by the way:
"I am resigning from the President's American Manufacturing Council.
As CEO of Merck and as a matter of personal conscience, I feel a
responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism."
Since when did the words "CEO of Merck" and "conscience"
ever belong in the same sentence??! _________________ Minds are like parachutes.
They only function when open.
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Report: ‘Unite the Right’ Organizer Jason Kessler
Was Occupy-Movement Obama Supporter 8 Mos Ago
zeropointnow Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:58am EST
‘Unite the Right’ organizer Jason Kessler was reportedly an Obama supporter involved in the Occupy movement as recently as November 2016, before establishing his white supremacist group “Unity & Security for America” in January, 2017.
Per the Southern Poverty Law Center:
Rumors abound on white nationalist forums that Kessler’s ideological pedigree before 2016 was less than pure and seem to point to involvement in the Occupy movement and past support for President Obama.
At one recent speech in favor of Charlottesville’s status as a sanctuary city, Kessler live-streamed himself as an attendee questioned him and apologized for an undisclosed spat during Kessler’s apparent involvement with Occupy. Kessler appeared visibly perturbed by the woman’s presence and reminders of their past association.
Kessler himself has placed his “red-pilling” around December of 2013 when a PR executive was publicly excoriated for a tasteless Twitter joke about AIDS in Africa.
Regarding the incident, Kessler stated “… so it was just a little race joke, nothing that big of a deal, she didn’t have that many followers, she probably didn’t think anybody was gonna see it,”
Regardless of Kessler’s past politics, the rightward shift in his views was first put on display in November, 2016 when his tirade against Wes Bellamy began.
A CNN report on Occupy Wall St. from five years ago was
submitted by “CNN Assignment Editor Jason Kessler.”
Same guy?
Something’s rotten in many states…
Nothing smells right about any of this. In fact, Lee Stranahan has
connected the “Unite the Right” rally to an identical Neo-Nazi
movement in Ukraine supported by John McCain and Hillary Clinton.
Hour long Stranahan interview
with Crowdsource the Truth:
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