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skinters



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bri wrote:


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RT just interviewed an Antifa group today , and couldn't get a single cohesive answer out of any of them...Thick as shit.


I will try to find it. Got a link?


Can't find it myself bri. It was only on for a few minutes. I think they cut the interview short seeing they couldn't answer any of the questions put to them. Embarrassing to watch.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ANTIFA are a walking contradiction.
The methods they employ are pure fascism and concerning the man who stabbed to death some guys who tried to come to the aid of those Muslim women he was a Bernie supporter not a so called alt right.
As for dialogue...until people in ANTIFA leave the cult of ANTIFA then the very notion of free "offensive" speech runs counter to the adherence to which ANTIFA demand.
As for that demon Soros...I have no doubt that some of these groups are being funded directly or indirectly, it makes sense given that the agenda is to cause increasing frictions, and to bastardise the tenets of the foundations of the society
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree with the 'BLM were reasonable at first and not obsessed with identity politics' - you only have to *look* at the founders of BLM, and the people who they revere (like convicted cop killer Assata Shakur)to see that they are made from the ground up out of pure identity politics.

Also, wasn't the Occupy movement pretty much ripped apart when the SJWs turned up and demanded that everyone get 'intersectional' and respect the 'progressive stack'?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are violent thugs, most of whom don't understand/have a clue what a Nazi is....the words national socialism are lost on them but they despise any sense of nationalism because they are neo Marxist and so from their perspective...they employ fascist tactics to stop the fascists...it's the reason why they can justify the intimidation of and even the literal beating of a woman.
These people can go and fuck themselves...there is no dialogue with them. They use subjective morality so that they can justify disgusting actions.
Use upon a time when I identified myself as left wing....I thought I could reason with them but then I came to the realization that things were rushing headlong towards depravity and brutal suppression and it continues to gather pace.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stillsearchingtruth wrote:
they are neo Marxist


I would guess these guinea pigs are part of the over all mind control plan.

From Fatherless Families they have sold their souls, Identities & ego's to the

state. They have become brainwashed zombies unable to think critically

for themselves? In some ways they're like the Hippy Generation and the

summer of love but with serious behavioural problems but without drugs.

The next decade will be very interesting to see what happens to them?

Will they grow out of it, become relatively normal and laugh about it all in

years to come? Because these Children/Students or whatever you want to

call them are unprecedented in modern society..... Could they even end

up hardline Communists ushering in the new age..... point is there never

has been their ilk before?????.

Lets jus pray they grow up wise up and all get jobs a Wal Mart.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Continuity wrote:
I disagree with the 'BLM were reasonable at first and not obsessed with identity politics' - you only have to *look* at the founders of BLM, and the people who they revere (like convicted cop killer Assata Shakur)to see that they are made from the ground up out of pure identity politics.

Also, wasn't the Occupy movement pretty much ripped apart when the SJWs turned up and demanded that everyone get 'intersectional' and respect the 'progressive stack'?


A lot of the founders of BLM are queer, black women, indeed, if that's what you mean. A lot of them know their shit and are open-minded. I can't find the link right this second, but there was an interview recently in Jacobin magazine where several of these leaders talk about the mistakes and failures of identity politics.
I didn't have any issues when I marched. A little "who is the white boy?" "okay..he's cool". When I saw white people attacked (verbally) it was because of, ironically , the things we complain about. White college girls trying to make a fashion statement out of it, white dudes trying to grab the megaphone or lead a march. I saw one person physically attacked because they were filming so called "direct actions". Dumb move.
Even in the chaos in Baltimore, it's probably more nuanced than we think.
Media is like that, fake news or not. You never know what happened before someone turns the camera on.
"black attacking whites for no reason" on youtube, You don't notice the whites calmly marching aside, not getting attacked, you don't hear anyone yell "go back to Africa nigger" before they hit record.



The so-called SJW invasion of Occupy was one of many things that took it down during an all out assault. It was not the be-all-end-all, but I think it WAS the moment when the establishment realized hey could use this stuff happening on college campuses to their advantage in the field.

On paper, it's a good thing, and I have gotten wrapped up in it myself, as have most in my generation. I get what some of you mean, pointing out "micro-aggressions" or whatever has become trendy, hip, instead of just the fucking right thing to do.

Turns out Fred Hampton was right.
Speaking of which, I think it's murders like that that made Assata so trigger (defense) happy. I don't know a lot about her.
If she is guilty I wouldn't worry about "them" coming for you anyways.
Do you know any generation x'ers who still wear their Che Guevara t-shirts?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

je-demande wrote:

Lets jus pray they grow up wise up and all get jobs a Wal Mart.


No.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bri wrote:
je-demande wrote:

Lets jus pray they grow up wise up and all get jobs a Wal Mart.


No.


You mean "lets not pray"?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

je-demande wrote:
bri wrote:
je-demande wrote:

Lets jus pray they grow up wise up and all get jobs a Wal Mart.


No.


You mean "lets not pray"?


Let us pray , but I would never wish upon my worst enemy employment there.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A Leading Figure at Portland’s Alt-Right Protests Defects, Says Dressing as a Spartan Warrior to Fight Antifa Was “a Horrible Mistake”
The far-right movement returns to town next weekend. But it has lost one of its most recognizable brawlers.


http://www.wweek.com/2017/07/30/a-leading-figure-at-portlands-alt-right-protests-defects-says-dressing-as-a-spartan-warrior-to-fight-antifa-was-a-horrible-mistake/



Turano said he used to think all antifa “hated our guts” and intended to protest violently. When Turano came to Portland on June 4, however, he said a petite Jewish counter-protester came up to him and asked, “Does my life matter?” “It just made me feel bad,” Turano said. “I hadn’t really been paying attention; I just thought we were surrounded by all these people who hated us. But I met some people that seemed so nice.” Turano added that in his state of mind when he attended the Berkeley protest, he thought “these [antifa] people hate America.” Turano said as a single, working father, he did not have time to sit behind a computer screen and follow the alt-right. When Turano began to see swastikas at these protests and racial slurs on the internet, however, he came to understand how the “other side” saw “patriots.” “Racist ain’t too far from the truth,” Turano declared.




more here:
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https://mic.com/articles/183101/alt-right-mascot-regrets-everything-says-he-made-a-horrible-mistake

The Oath Keepers, one of the strongest organizations in the far-right militia movement, spent the first half of 2017 traveling the country to provide ad hoc security details for alt-right in the face of anti-fascist protesters. Eventually, the alt-right realized that the Oath Keepers were anti-racist and, like they did with Turano, tossed them to the side, calling them the “Boomer antifa.”

Now, when videos surface of Turano disavowing his appearances at anti-fascist brawls, the trolls show up to jeer and deride him as a “cuck.” America’s A-List of professional racists, like Richard Spencer and former KKK Imperial Wizard David Duke have called him out for his treachery.

Turano says he doesn’t need them.

“Most patriots are not Nazis,” Turano said while counter-protesting for Trump earlier this month. “But when we stand next to them, who are we? I think we’re collaborators of hate. Today’s message is that I can stand alone and be an American, and be for Trump, and I don’t need to stand next to Nazis to feel secure.”


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When either side starts acting stupid, the reasonable ones will pick up the pieces. Not to say "centrism" is the way to go, but sometimes it's best to step out of the ring.
Members of the alt-right seeing Nazis running around trying to represent them, members of antifa seeing others throwing shit at old ladies and calling them fascists for having the wrong red hat.
Maybe something pragmatic will grow out of this.
In my personal experience, people of all kinds are becoming a little less "black and white" in their views.

Building up to another big weekend and the press is eating it up.

OPB/PBS actually did a decent write-up of Trump supporters in Portland a few days ago, including a trans woman. Lacks the usual expected snide tone.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/features/trump-supporters-portland/

Antifa Chicago seems pretty well spoken.

http://www.salon.com/2017/07/25/listen-antifa-is-an-organizing-strategy-not-a-group/

Can't tell if this is good or bad. RedNeck Revolt sounds good on paper, until all the weird "hey aren't gulags cool" shit. I tell you what, this boy looks nothing like any rednecks I know.
Smelling a rat there.
Doesn't matter, the group will fail, it's not written in a way that will attract actual rednecks, does not speak to their values, and they won't get anybody over the age of 25. So much of this about looking slick or cool, waiting for someone else to actually do the revolting.




This could also be relative and definitely worth a watch.
Refers mostly to left wing groups being infiltrated.
Note early on, the use of identity politics (race, victimhood/abuse) was used to divide the group.
About 4 minutes in.

https://sub.media/video/trouble-5-you-are-being-watched/

More on Brandon Darby, the NOLA FBI informant.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/07/brandon-darby-anarchist-fbi-terrorism/

My neighbor got out of the city (we live well outside), thinks it's a big "agenda 21 " divide and conquer strategy that is going to explode. He's a prepper too. Wink
I think there is some truth there though. Pretty sure there are some slick operators on both sides of this that might even know each other.
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