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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manchester terrorist said to be Salman Abedi, known to authorities.

''Known to authorities'' is becoming a popular last name for these people.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
This is reported to be a foyer explosion.

That's significant debris:






I dont understand all that debris outside like that. Where in relation to the exits are this?.

Is that a crowd control vehicle?. It looks like its taken damage.

Just found it...its a picture from a football stadium in turkey dec 10 2016,


http://www.express.co.uk/pictures/galleries/9522/38-killed-155-wounded-in-bombings-Turkey-istanbul-football-stadium-pictures



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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These attacks from my experience seem to have 5 main effects
They either serve to strengthen the governments hand
Useful for drumming up war support
Creating a victimhood towards Muslims
Destroying the psyche of the west
Emboldening feminists and other leftist groups to further align themselves with islamists.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skinters wrote:

Just found it...its a picture from a football stadium in turkey dec 10 2016,

the twitter post that I believe Fintan sourced this photo from has been removed. maybe they put up the wrong picture. a google image search shows this photo only related to the 2016 stadium in turkey, nothing linking it to the manchester bombing.

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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's it.

Glad to get the source on that.

Was tipped off it was a goof or fake, but didn't get time
to come back to it 'cos I got diverted into a REAL pic....

Meanwhile:

Quote:
Soldiers to patrol UK streets as threat raised
to critical after Manchester bombing


Theresa May raises level for first time since 2007,
signalling that further attack may be imminent

Tuesday 23 May 2017 22.25 BST

Soldiers are being sent on to Britain’s streets to help the police as a
second terror attack may be imminent following the Manchester concert
bombing, Theresa May has said.


The prime minister raised the threat level from severe to critical for the
first time since July 2007. May said she did not want to “unduly
alarm” people but military personnel would be present at public events
and key sites under police command.

Speaking from Downing Street after an emergency Cobra meeting, May
said the increase in the threat level means “not only that an attack
remains highly likely but a further attack may be imminent”.

She said: “The police have asked for authorisation from the secretary of
state for defence to deploy a number of military personnel in support of
their armed officers.” This means some armed police officers guarding
events will be replaced by soldiers in an operation known as Temperer.

There's an element of self-fulfilling outcome to all this.
The troop deployment was now inevitable in this context.

And in theory it is a big plus factor for the Conservatives because
this atmosphere generally makes people vote conservatively....
and May can prance around looking all Prime Ministerish.

But it might equally generate a backlash factor against politicians
or elites who are associated with dragging the UK into this horrible war.

The Corbyn camp was generating mo in the days before this latest news.
Real world bread and butter voter issues will soon again be to the fore.

The situation is dynamic and seeking a zeitgeist.

Here's a couple of articles which lay out
the background of the alleged bomber:


http://dailym.ai/2q93M04 AND http://bit.ly/2q8SJns

In some ways it shows a familial and societal psychological landscape
which is consistent with this being a suicide(bomb)-by-cop kinda thang.
Death as as escape from and a victim of sibling and parental zealotry.

Big question: How'd he get hold of TATP?

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and i wrote:
skinters wrote:

Just found it...its a picture from a football stadium in turkey dec 10 2016,

the twitter post that I believe Fintan sourced this photo from has been removed. maybe they put up the wrong picture. a google image search shows this photo only related to the 2016 stadium in turkey, nothing linking it to the manchester bombing.


Not sure. All I found was I had to specifically search for that picture from Turkey. It was not shown on any search for the Manchester bombing. I thought it looked odd with the water cannon vehicle (don't know what they are called). Anyways move on now.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:

Big question: How'd he get hold of TATP?


I've been reading up on it, and found this from wiki,

Quote:
TATP and the other explosive forms of acetone peroxide belong to the few high explosives that do not contain nitrogen,[27] and so can pass undetected through explosive detection scanners designed to detect nitrogenous explosives.[28] Because of its high susceptibility to accidental detonation (and resulting "workplace accidents" in bomb-making shops), TATP has been referred to as the "Mother of Satan."[27] It is used by terrorists for its ability to evade detection aimed at nitrogenous explosives, and due to its low cost and the ease with which its precursors can be obtained. It has been described in popular media as easily prepared from readily available retail ingredients, such as hair bleach and nail polish remover.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, pretty readily available, and I won't provide detailed tatp prepatation
instructions, but its a complex and dangerous route to the final product:

Quote:
"This study shows that the simple mixing of dilute solutions
of hydrogen peroxide and acetone does not appear to
accumulate TATP in hazardous amounts."
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9d65/64ff48a866250d0d27bb3c6d7c9afac189d5.pdf

...it did not take long to find out that the practical use of the invention was almost non-existent. The explosive was useless, because it was far too dangerous. The main disadvantage of TATP: The slightest bit of heat, the mildest shaking is enough of a trigger for the substance to blow up. The explosive is highly unstable and reacts violently to physical hits or friction.
http://www.dw.com/en/tatp-a-substance-from-hell/a-19140985


The hard questions for the spooks
and counter-terrror cops begin:

Quote:


Police and intelligence agencies are trying to establish whether Salman Abedi, the Manchester bomber, had received terrorist training at a jihadist camp in Libya, where Islamic State and al-Qaeda have allied to fight government forces.

A school friend told The Times that Abedi, a Manchester-born university dropout of Libyan descent, had returned in the past week. “He went to Libya three weeks ago and came back, like, days ago,” the friend said.

Abedi, 22, was known to the security services, which will now face questions about what steps were taken to monitor his activity after his return to Manchester. On Monday evening he placed a suitcase on the ground in the foyer of the Manchester Arena moments before it detonated, according to CCTV footage recovered by detectives. The blast sent shrapnel flying into crowds as they left a concert by the US pop star Ariana Grande, killing an eight-year-old girl and other children and leaving 59 injured.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/libya-terror-link-swtp7mhtx


He was just a regular guy who lived in a house
with a black islamic flag on the roof. Who knew.

Quote:
He had previously lived in Searby Road, Gorton. One neighbour there said: “He walked past me one evening. He looked at me with his cold black eyes. It was an expression I didn’t want to see on a face. He looked at me in a way that suggested he could take care of himself. I said at the time I wouldn’t be surprised if he was Isis.”

He said Abedi lived there with two other young men. “Him and two others lived there. They always had their hoods up which I thought was a bit unsual. They had a vibe abut them. Like they were drug users.”

Antone Jones, who lives round the corner from Salman Abedi on Elsmore Road, said there had been a large flag with Arabic writing draped on the roof of the house.

He said: "I have been here about 10 years and I have known him all that time.

"I never really knew him well, he always kept himself to himself.

"But about two years ago there was a black flag on the roof with Arabic writing on it.

"We never had any idea he was doing anything like this though. He was quiet.

"They are a big family, sometimes you would see people out doing up cars or motorbikes.....

Another person who said they knew Abedi from school said: “He was a outgoing fun guy but since he went to Libya in 2011 he came back a different guy.

He used to drink, smoke weed then all of a sudden he turned religious and I’ve not seen him since 2012.”


http://bit.ly/2qVr3zt

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Guardian's Blog reports:

None of the opposition parties has put out a press statement about the decision taken last night to raise the threat level from severe to critical.

A Labour source said the party was not commenting, and a Lib Dem source said the party had not issued a press statement because the decision was one taken by an independent panel, and not by ministers, and that therefore they did not want to politicise it.

The silence is slightly odd because political parties issue press releases about almost everything, including decisions taken by non-partisan officials. It may be a sign of how nervous all the political parties are about being seen to in any way capitalise on the Manchester atrocity.

But Shami Chakrabarti did comment in an interview on Newsnight last night. Chakrabarti is the shadow attorney general, but she was introduced as someone speaking not in that capacity, but in her capacity as a former director of the civil rights group Liberty.

Asked if she was satisfied that the joint terrorism analysis centre (JTAC), which took the decision to raise the threat level, was independent, and not subject to politicisation, she replied:

    Look what I would say on a night like this one is that this is not the moment for conspiracy theories. So if anybody is, you know, feeling panicked about the timing of this, I would just urge them to be calm and united.


Asked, again, if she supported the decision to raise the threat level, she replied:

    I am not a privy counsellor and I have not seen the intelligence, but nor am I going to take a knee-jerk in the other direction, and to be a conspiracy theorist. I don’t think that would be good for anybody this evening.


I don't think it's going too far to read her comment
as a veiled confirmation of what a lot of people are
thinking - and an exhortation to Labour supporters to
avoid getting deflected from the election campaign.


UKIP is going ahead with their launch on Thursday,
determined to get back to the politics, and fast.

But it's a sign of how suspicious so many people are about
the motivations of the Elites that a Labour shadow Attorney
General has to go on air to quell such public concerns.

That's quite something.

Time was when suspicions like this were dismissed as "tinfoil."

Not any more.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why cant she just answer the questions instead of saying she doesn't want to take part in any conspiracy theory's?.

She did look visibly upset, but there is no doubt this attack will be used to further others aims in a tighter more restrictive internet, many like her will cave in to any demands, i mean they will have no choice. What other areas are there where civil liberties are concerned?.

So what path are we going down?. If this is indeed some sort of false flag, why now, and to what benefit?.

I suspect that this is planned over the long term, and the public will not only accept security at any cost, but they will demand it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have no need for "theories". Within a few days the pieces will be put together and we'll see the actual conspiracy sans the theory.

Ironic though that she would say this, as the mainstream will accept the conspiracy theory put forth by "official sources" and consider it fact.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the same reservations that and I and skinters expressed above.
Why can't she simply say that she has a totally open mind about what has just happened? Why make it clear that her default position is to resist an explanation which would point to a conspiracy (other than the standard theory that all terrorist acts are the result of a huge international - nay, intercontinental - conspiracy of fanatical Muslim extremists)?
What would be wrong with stating the demonstrable fact that very few people trust the UK government to tell the truth about anything, far less a major disruption to our society? Why not point out that we have a Prime Minister who never gives a straight answer to any question and indeed a Prime Minister who goes to unprecedented lengths to avoid being questioned at all and therefore we have no cause whatsoever to have any confidence that the truth will emerge under her regime or that real solutions will be found?

None of those questions is unreasonable and nobody should be afraid to ask them.

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